Zico and Jairzinho tales no match for Celtic Park tomorrow

podium?

DD

DD

Surely not podium chasing.

first post and podium - hail hail

so skoosh and shaun ruled out for another 2 months..... jeez

DD from last article

DD,

"a centre half who can (maybe) head the ball!!!"

I think Tony Mowbray should register himself as a player, he can't be any worse than the current lot!

ohits on November 27, 2009 11:40 AM

Not at all but it'll have a good few raging! :-)

lubo1977 on November 27, 2009 11:41 AM

Willo Flood and Paul Caddis at centre half couldn't do any worse!

DD

The Brazilian 1970 team were great to watch but were very thoroughly prepared.
Rivelinho has said that the team were so fit that they hardly ever eeded to drink water during the matches in spite of the heat.

DD
From last article

Thats the guy , played centre back at Eastlands and had a stormer,IMHO we were just about to see the best of this player and then the balance sheet struck again.Heres hoping we can get this Chavez before some Championship team makes him an offer we cant or wont match!

ohits on November 27, 2009 11:43 AM

I'll not be a hypocrite I didn't rate him but Tony seemed to be getting something out of him that was proving my long held view of Donati wrong.

Popular player among the players as well apparently, especially big Artur.

DD

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DD....

Could you Write Up a CQN Rumour Mill Every Friday....When It's Slow....

I'm Sure it Would Out-Rumour E-Tims Hands Down or (Thumbs Up)....:O(

I'm Sure GweedoreBhoy would Help Out....(How is My Mhan?)....

Tulips....001

Off topic, sorry, but a big, big issue for many of us on here. I wept when I watched one of the victims commenting on yesterday's Irish report on child abuse - lives ruined by the barbaric behaviour of people in positions of trust and then collusion with the gardai to sweep it all under the carpet! These victims now need all of us to get involved to root out this problem and to do all we can to help them enjoy the rest of their lives with dignity and in safety.

Tulips Fae Hamster Jam....001.... on November 27, 2009 11:46 AM

Sorry chief that one came from an old E-tims rumour mill and didn't Tony comment something how he'd have liked Donati to stay?

Lets face it the rumours we have posted haven't been far off have they? :-)

DD

DD

My mate and I were having a discussion about our Centre Back problems and he reminded me that we used to sit in the LL stand (before the ground was complete) and watch Stubbs having howler after howler,then lo and behold we signed Reiper and big Stubbsy became a different player overnight,so with that in mind who would you keep out of the 3 we have now if we could sign another Reiper type player?

Shaun Maloney on his annual winter holiday it seems.

Celtic manager Tony Mowbray today revelaed that he will be without midifelders Scott Brown and Shaun Maloney for up to two months.

Scotland midfielder Brown has been sidelined for several weeks with a niggling injury which has baffled a series of top medical experts.

However, a specialist in Amsterdam has revealed that the Scottish Player of the Year will need to have an operation to rectify the problem.

Mowbray said: “Scott will have a minor procedure which will hopefully clear up the problem which he has been playing through. We need to get it sorted.

“It will depend on the professor’s schedule, but hopefully he will have the procedure in Amsterdam early next week. It should put him out for six to eight weeks.”

Brown’s fellow-internationalist Maloney, meanwhile, has been troubled by tendinitis in his Achilles and faces a similar period on the sidelines.

Mowbray added: “Maloney is out for the same length of time. There will be no surgery just a course of injections. He has played with discomfort and needs to sort it out.”

The Parkhead manager, whose side take on St Mirren at Parkhead in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League tomorrow, is hoping to get the signing of South Korean Ki Sung-Yong tied up next week.

Elsewhere, Mowbray admitted he has been impressed with Honduran international defender Osman Chavez during his trial at Celtic, but stressed he is in Scotland for another week and has made no decision on his future.

C_Wellworth2million_H

donegaldanny - I know Tony Mowbray wanted to keep Donati and I know that the board probably will seek to maximise income from player transfers and might even force a manager to sell somebody if the offer is too good.

Donati though had been stating for a large portion of the previous season that he was keen on returning to Italy. I think his move was already into dicussions even while he was getting picked regularly and by that stage it was too late for Mowbray to try and change his mind.

I'll accept that a lot of the board's involvement in transfers that you highlight is open to interpretation, but I really believe that Donati's move was his own choice.

ohits on November 27, 2009 11:51 AM

Loovens, easy, McManus has never been and never will be a god centre half. You could put the best centre half in the world next to him and he'd still be woeful. Caldwell believes he's better than he actually is and will always try and punt the ball long and end up out of the pitch.

Loovens looks like the most likely to improve with a better centre half beside him IMO.

Stubbsy was a great sweeper and could pick a pass from anywhere on the pitch but as a defender he was too slow but still far far better than what we have now.

DD

Weeminger

Did Donati not state that if WGS did,nt start playing him he would have to look to move,preferably back to Italy.Then when Mowbray arrived he played him and we were starting to see why we signed him in the first place.

On the centre-half debate...

I don't particularly favour any of our centre-backs, but if I had to plump for two it would be Loovens and Caldwell, as I think they are marginally better "players" thank McManus.

However, I do not belive we would have shipped the two goals against Dundee Utd, in particular the second, which was unforgivable considering the first goal, had McManus been playing, as he is far more vocal, and probably the best leader in our team, in terms of experience of being captain.

C_H

DD

Agree with that,but it would be great if we could get a dominating CB in and stick Thomson or Misun next to him and lets see what we,ve got for the future.

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Ah....Mexico 1970 FIFA World Cup....

Memories....

My Auld Da Bought a 24 inch PYE Colour Tele (With Remote)....I Think Old Stepek delivered it Himself fae The Hamilton Shop....

Nearly all Other Programmes Still in Black & White....:O(

First Night....Awe The Weemin Away Tae the Bingo....40-50 of My Da's Pals at Oor Hoose for Opening Game....Tennents and MacEwans everywhere....

PYE 24 Inch.... Blew Up after 22 Mins....Cue Fire Brigade.... New Carpet and Sofa....

And Ye Think Plasmas & Laptops are Temperamental....

Tulips....001

Pete the Beat
"The Brazilian 1970 team were great to watch but were very thoroughly prepared.
Rivelinho has said that the team were so fit that they hardly ever eeded to drink water during the matches in spite of the heat."

No it was because they would have to have put their fags oot tae drink the water, por cierto.

I can't make next Wednesday's Europa game and would be happy if I could "trade"(c Jock Brown)my ticket for one tomorrow. Any takers? I'll be at the 5s tomorrow if someone wants to do a swap.

weeminger on November 27, 2009 11:53 AM

of course you would weeminger I'd expect nothing less :-)

But didn't Massimo (I repeat I wasn't a fan of his) at least indicate his problems were with Strachan and maybe a change in management would've made the difference?

DD

I'd love to say I'm up for it tomorrow, but sadly I can't.

Ohits

His family had already moved back to Italy before the season started. I wish he stayed though, as we've missed him a lot since he left.

ohits - yes he did, but that was quite a few months before Tony Mowbray appeared. As I say I think by the time he arrived, and started playing him, and with a move already in negotiation it was too late to change his mind. It was his choice.

If blame was to be attached to this (and I personally don't think it should), you'd have to blame Gordon Strachan for not giving a player who clearly had some talent a run in the team.

I really liked him. My summary after one game was more or less:

His passes have a vision which unfortunately most of his team-mates lack, however if he can't adapt to their lack of vision perhaps he's not the best player for the team.

Garngad to Croy

Stick around on the blog especially tonight, and you'll be up for it in the Morning

HH

Long before the 70s WC the Brazilians were taking sporsts science very seriously, even using some of the NASA astronaut training methods.

There was a story that before the '62WC the team doctor told the coach not to pick Garrincha as he 'wasn't fit'. The coach sensibly took the 'doctors, what do they know' approach and Brazil went on to win the trophy, mainly through the efforts of the Little Bird.

ohits

We might be getting ahead of ourselves with regard to Misun and Thompson.

Only saw Thompson against Cliftonville right enough but absolutely nothing to get excited about. As for Misun - would watch him play in the reserves - remember Celtic tv? - and again, not a bad player but by no means a standout.
Lat year we were calling for Ben Hutchinson and this season Darren O Dea - neither of these two setting the heather alight at the moment. I even read some posters lamentinf the departure of Paul Hartley. I know absence makes the heart grow fonder - but geeeez!

A question for the tech Savvy

Just got google Wave, think a CQN wave would be great especially when trying to get match updates without refreshing and scrolling down the page it would update live.

Any possibility of this happening?

Can someone create a CQN Bot?

If not I'll keep reading and scrolling !!!!

donegaldanny - see my post to ohits. As I said if blame must be attached, for me it lies with Gordon Strachan.

I suppose you might blame the board for keeping him on until the end of the season. If the new manager had been put in charge in January then Donati might still be with us.

Tulips...001

High Chapparal in glorious technocolour, loved the Spanish lassie in it.

That 1970 Brazil team were the greatest ever IMO..... Carlos Alberto, Jarzinho, Tostao, Pele et al.

I'm away to look on youtube....

AllouryesterdaysCSC

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Long before the 70s WC the Brazilians were taking sporsts science very seriously, even using some of the NASA astronaut training methods.

Please Tell me They Didn't Wear Nappies....

Letterman....001

Quicknews quickquiz topical question:

Who scored Brazils 100th World Cup goal in the 1970 final?

HH

Vmhan- just for you

1970 ........ quiz answer is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMe3uoUbhkA

HH

vmhan

Pele

HH

Carlos Alberto.

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When a 'Brazillian'.... Wisnae a Double Entendre....I Think....

FIFA 1970 World Cup Final....

Hamster Jam....001

greenjedi

I did,nt know his family had moved back already , if thats the case then mowbray arrived too late and its our loss IMHO.

Lurgan 53

I know what your saying regarding these young boys ,but if we did have a decent CB to throw them in with we would at least find out if they have what it takes.Misun is injured at the moment but from reports he is highly rated.

bournesouprecipe

cyber pint winging its way to you.

Pele it was, unless you want to provide Pele's name in full?

HH

Re-kindling the memories with that one Paul67. The 1982 World Cup...My first recollection of the world's greatest event...and David Narey's toe poke...and the Brazillian wonder show that followed this goal. The Brazilians would have won that World Cup were it not for 3 things that day they were beaten 3-2 by Italy: 1.Paolo Rossi 2. The Italian players stifling tactics and 3. The referee for letting the Italians kick the Brazilians up and down the park for 90 mins. Poassibly the best international game I have seen, alongside France 3-2 V Portugal, in 1984.

In saying that I would rather watch a resounding 3-0 victory for our side tomorrow.

Paul67 - I reckon if we steal this on our way from the fives to Celtic Park we may be able to raise the roof no problem. Otherwise there is more chance of us singing The Sash tomorrow than there is of the supporters raising the roof. Sad but true.

Well it's that time again wee Shaun on long term See you next year Shambi

HH

Paul67 - I'd like to see McCourt back tomorrow with Samaras and McDonald up front.

Crosas, N'Guemo and McGeady making up the midfield and controversially, no changes at the back.

DBBIA thanks for the link....... ahhh the Cartrights and that other Spanish mob?....... those were the days my friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaTIXdN5fI

na na na na na na na

Hail Hail

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Pete Andre....?

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Good post Paul

If we cant show some enthusiasm to raise the roof then how can we expect the players to give their all.

I know, pulling on the hoops should be reason enough as well as taking home a tidy bung every week.

I'm no happy-clapper, but I feel we must back the team in the way we do best.

Hail Hail

Paul 67

Re Transfer Policy. I think we can say that in our junior ranks there is a large amount of talent which, within 2/3 seasons will be knocking on the door of the first team.

It is crucial that the standard of player in the first team is at a high level such that these youngsters must strive to get in and, once in, they will be surrounded by a sucessful and high quality team which can "carry" them in SPL games for example.

Therefore, the players we must be looking to bring in are at the top end of our scale (i.e. players to improve the first team) and bottom (i.e top youth talent).

The likes of Misun, Marsden, Feruz, George have all starred in their respective age groups. Lets give them something to aspire to in the Celtic jersey.

Moonbeams ha ha

It was originally planned that the crane would be used to finish off the super dooper mintydome...... details to be announced...soon ish

HH

JohnPaul2003 - France v West Germany in the same World Cup is the best match I've ever seen. it really did have everything.

I think the biggest obstacle to Brazil that day was themselves. They only required a point and were way too casual. Terrific match, but I was gutted by the outcome of both games.

What a final that would have been - Brazil v France. Two fantastic teams.

As far as I can gather, the only one of our loanees who is doing well is Simon Ferry.

If that is the case, a January recall would be opportune, as he could take Scott Brown's place in the squad.

I would imagine, if his contract renewal is due, that Misuno may be on his way home, due to work permit problems. I don't think he would have fulfilled the appearances criteria.

Willo Flood will possibly be another mutually moved on.

MWD

Are you sure its not to get our Centre Halves off the deck at corners !

JohnPaul2003, agree with every word.

Mort, don’t fancy sitting below that thing for a football game.

Steinreignedsupreme, aye, hope Paddy makes it.

Southsidecelt, yes, it’s hugely important that we become the 12th man at this time.

Dobbo, totally agree.

pele

Edison Arantes do Nascimento

God bless Wiki ;)

southsidecelt on November 27, 2009 12:32 PM

"If we cant show some enthusiasm to raise the roof then how can we expect the players to give their all."

Seriously? The players giving their all is - or should be - the default position!

10k per week should help.

Hali! Hail!

vmhan

I'd need to Google for Pele's full name, last time I seen him he was doing the Impotence
campaign. Apparently they chose him because he was so good at the old Keepie Uppie

HH

Edson Arantes Do Nasimento

I would love to see McGeady playing in the hole between midfield and the 2 forwards (preferably McDonald and Fortune..I know, I know..but I think he will come good). McGeady moved into this role in the 2nd half v Hearts (CIS Cup) and he ran them ragged, making chances for Sammy if I remember correctly? IMO Not good enough as a winger as his final CROSS isnt up to the mark. His final PASS, normally to a moving target, when running at goal is better. We should only play with one man protecting the defence tomorrow as St Mirren will definitely put men behind the ball. Creativity will pay more dividends. Caution wont.

Oops, late again.

By the way, coincidentally, my son was talking to him in Dublin yesterday.

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Paul 67

It is the lack of faith in our youngsters being able to fulfil a squad role which frustrates me. Did you see Feruz last night?

WGS

Heard from Len Brennan lately? He is due an appearance.

steinreignedsupreme - got to agree, for the time being we're stuck with the defenders we have. If TM thought the new bot Thomson was ready he'd have played him by now, so let's at least have a settled pair.

Tune in later this afternoon for the CQN Five-a-side 2009 draw live from Uefa headquarters in Nyon.

Dobbo, Feruz is only 14 and still at school.

JohnPaul2003 and Steinreignedsupreme - hard to pick which of those 2 was the best game, still the greatest world cup i can remember.

socrates, falcao, zico and eder, toninho cerezo ,what a midfield brazil had if only they didn't have that big dummy serginho up front, mind you tigana , giresse and platini wurnae bad either.

i was only a wee bhoy and was nearly crying after both matches, good preparation for a lifetime watching celtic !

southsidecelt well done, I off course knew that, but me spelling is questionable.

Away to the shops and hopefully a pint........ thumbs up :¬)

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My First Dog....Was a Afghan Hound....I Named Him Cass....as My Dad Said Jinky Didnae Suit Him....:O(

His Pedigree Name was....Kang Tarang of Turia....He was Sleek Handsome....and Faster than a Speeding Austin Allegro....

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But....He Bit a Orc Pal....and Was Put Down....

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Poppies....001

Paul 67

I know - my point exactly. When in 2/3 years time... he should be able to make an impact. Players like Bostock at Palace played when they were 15 and still in school. (although i think we should follow the Brazilliam approach and not play him untill he has the signed contract upon turning 16)

Dobbo
You hit the nail square on the head with your point/question. We must be one of the only countries or indeed cultures that dont SUPPORT the viewpoint "If your good enough, your old enough". I have noticed posters on here highlighting that Feruz may be banging on the door in 3/4 years time? What's that all about!! Pitch him in when his physical attributes match his abilities, whether thats 15 or 16 yrs old. Patrick Kluivert scored in a CL final when he was 16/17 FFS.

Just look at how Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger blood, develop, play and develop further, their young and talented players. Learn how to do this before its too late.

Steinreignedsupreme:

as a soon to be 12 yr old, i cant remember much about the french / german game, but i do remember that this was the game that reinforced my love of football.

i reckon i will eventually suffer from some form of brain disease, as the one guy i used to be at 12 was the little lynchpin in the french midfield,

whilst everyone was platini, i was him, and can i remember his name ????

shocking......

i cant remember but was italy brazil in 82 as well, ?? that too was a golden game with the italian scoring a hat trick ?? tardelli perhaps.

or has my mind totally gone.

Paul 67

There are people at every Celtic game trying to raise the roof. Unfortunately they have been targetted by stewards and police (perhaps on the instruction of the club/board/executive management) and are being ejected from the ground for attempting to do so.

Given the space in the ground at present, Celtic could make a difference by declaring the lower north-east corner a 'ticketless zone' where those who wish to congregate and sing after entry will be stewarded but welcome.

Those currently in that area who don't like a crush or a sing song can be offered relocation to any of the 10,000 empty seats in the ground.

You never know. Such a free initiative might just result in some atmosphere that the team can respond to.

tartanrugsareformugs csc
heatedseatsdontmakenobeats csc

mackybhoy from the village

Alain Giresse

HH

ohits

Yes Misun is injured - but - IMHO - if he had ben good enough he'd have been playing for some of the games at least. Same for Josh Thompson. Like yourself I read all about how highly rated Misun is. He's a big lad so the physical side of the gme should not have stopped him playing for the first team pre injury. Same goes for Josh Thompson. Misun's been here what two years now?Really should ahve come through by now.

JohnPaul2003

You are forgetting one other major factor in Brazil's defeat back in 1982, Socrates disallowed goal!

mackybhoy from the village

Alain Giresse was your man in midfield, Paolo Rossi scored the HT v Brazil (3 chances, 3 goals...the Italian Kris Boyd lol) and Tardelli scored the 3rd in the final v West Germany.

I was only 6 in 1982 - My 1st World Cup and yet to be surpassed...never will be surpassed in an era of tactics, athletes and 5 man midfields.

Celtic Mac

Graet point but I was only 6 so I am allowed that little indiscretion :-)

Maybe my old boy put me to my bed when that happened?

Milan Misun arrived in a foreign country and culture in January 2009, he has been injured for all of this season. Perhaps it's a bit early to say 'really should have come through by now'.

Yes, we are hopeless at youth development and Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are very good at it. Bear in mind though that Alex Ferguson was 10 years in the job before the fledglings were his first choice team. Similary, Arsene Wenger has now been at Arsenal for 13 years now - hardly a revolution. I would also argue that Arsene has developed a peculiar skill for developing youngsters for OTHER teams, not his own. As we approach 5 years without a trophy.

As a dedicated Italia follower, I'm glad they won in 1982 but then, I didn't have to watch it as I was less than 18 months old!

All this Brazil talk is making me feel bad for missing my 2 Jiu Jitsu classes this week.

I hope Celtic cheer me up with a strong showing and a mighty triumph.

My team for Saturday.

Zaluska

Hinkel Thompson Loovens Fox

McGinn Crosas N'Guemo McGeady

Samaras Mizuno

Play the young uns!

mackybhoy from the village - Alain Giresse was the wee man in that midfield. A terrific player among giants.

cardiffbhoy - Those names alone bring back great memories. I agree with you that it was the best World Cup.

weeminger - That’s how I see it with the entire spine of the team. Keep it settled and at least the players can form partnerships of some description.

it wasnt giresse lads, lynchpin was the wrong word. the wee coloured guy, who ha all the class in the world.

as for paolo rossi, gee whizz, how did i forget that !!!

i still reckon that the italy / brazil game was a golden match, and always will be, along with the previously mentioned france / germany

I agree with JohnPaul2003
St Mirren will pack the midfield.
Playing with 2 wide men resuts in a 4-2-4 formation leaving our midfielders with too much to do.
I would like to see Crosas,N'Gomo and Zen Zhi as a 3 man midfield with McGeady in a free role behind a front two.
Surely the 'Celtic Way' has to evolve to get results.

From the other day - some notable players on Bosmans. Clearly Wages are a factor in these things. But there is no doubt some of these players could add a huge amount to our club

Milan Jovanovic
Standard Lüttich

Adam Johnson
Middlesbrough FC

Giles Barnes
Derby County

Connor Wickham
Ipswich Town

Sean Scannell
Crystal Palace

Goran Pandev
Lazio Rom

Martín Cáceres (loan contract!!)
Juventus Turin

Mark Bresciano
US Palermo

Jonathan Alexander de Guzman
Feyenoord Rotterdam

Marko Pantelic
Ajax Amsterdam

Fernandinho
Shakhtar Donezk (not an EU club so bosman does not apply)

Jadson
Shakhtar Donezk (see above)

Atiba Hutchinson
FC Kopenhagen

Thomas Hitzlsperger
VfB Stuttgart

Aaron Hunt
Werder Bremen

Daniel van Buyten
Bayern Munich

Paolo Guerrero
Hamburger SV

Morten Gamst Pedersen
Blackburn Rovers

Diego Godín
FC Villarreal

Christoph Metzelder
Real Madrid CF

Ignacio Camacho
Atletico Madrid

Marouane Chamakh
Girondins Bordeaux

Kim Källström
Olympique Lyon

Emir Spahic
HSC Montpellier

Dobbo - this all relates back to something myself and Mort were talking about yesterday. If we want to see young players brought through effectively the crowd have their part to play, and not start barracking players for misplaced passes etc.

How do you think a 17yr old is going to develop if he's scared to try something in case the crowd have a go at him.

If Tony Mowbray was to field a load of kids in a non-critical game like Alex Ferguson did the other night, with the same result, people would be on here criticising him for humiliated the name of Celtic and not putting out the best team available.

It's got to stop if we want to develop the youth properly.

Incidentally, I'm reading the excellent book "Sophie's World" right now and just finished the chapter on Socrates so funny you guys should be talking about the eponymous footballer.

I would highly recommend that book, if you're interested. "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder. Also just finished "The Alchemist" by Paolo Coelho which was a short but uplifting story.

mackybhoy

Jean Tigana?

I see alot of people are advocating McGinn, Crosas, N'guemo, Mcgeady for tomorrow.

I'm sorry but a midfield like that is why we lost the league last season and just doesn't work in scotland. Its as weak as water.

Barry Robson must play in the midfield. Not particularly for his football prowess but his physicallity and his tackling. I've seen the Celtic midfield outmuscled so many time over the past two years when we played guys like crosas, brown, n'guemo, donati etc.

We need a ball winner in there. Robson has to play. By all menas bring on McGInn and McCourt after we're 2 nil up but even a team like St Mirren could potentially outmuscle our ball players in midfield.

Horses for courses, we don't play in La Liga we play in the SPL, first and foremost we need big lads who can win the ball.

DD

All this talk of old World Cups has me reminiscing....one memory that has always stuck with me was the great France team of the 80s...I remember a world cup where they looked like the best team and I think they had to play Germany, Italy and Brazil all in the space of a few days. I also remember they were badly cheated by Brazil when a guy beat the keeper and he was fouled giving a Brazil defender time to get back and clear the ball from the line.

Anyone else remember that? Was that the 82 or 86 world cup? Must have been the 86 one as I would only have been 5 at the 82 one...

mackybhoy from the village,

Jean Tigana?

weeminger

To be fair, if we were already through I think alot of people would understand.

That said, I agree with the cut and thrust of your post. We have to start blooding the youngsters early and often to get the best return for investment in youth players.

Buying an 18yo player and playing him, even if it doesn't work out, isn't a very costly mistake for the most part.

My new mantra, replacing the Madrid 1 shout.

SCOUTING, SCOUTING AND SCOUTING AGAIN!

how could i forget tigana.

i was him for a few years !!!! lol.

thismancraig

January 2009? Thought he had been here for a lot longer than that. Seems like I've been reading about him forever. Well admitedly that would put a different perspective on it.

Lets hope his injury clears up and he gets and deserves a first team spot soon.

thismancraig@1.03 - Have a look at the Man Utd squad for youngsters brought through apart from the 'golden batch', there's only two or three. Shows how hard it really is.

DonegalDanny

Disagree, I think that lack of midfield creativity and decent finishing cost us last season. On top of poor defending.

I understand your viewpoint but I don't think being outmuscled in the middle of the park has been that big a problem for us of late. I'd change it up front by playing Mizuno who has pace and good touch as well as being a good finisher any time I've seen the reserves in the past couple of years. Samaras because out of all of our strikers I think he has the most to his game and links well with good ball players.

It's certainly not a perfect solution, but it's what I'd do. Interested to see how it plays out.

weeminger

That gets controversial because it doesn't fit the (my tongue in cheek) 'we're rubbish at it and everybody else is great' model.

I think Arsenal are another cracking example, I love watching them play but what do they offer? Do they want to provide players for other teams (Flamini last year, Fabregas next?) or are they trying to crack 'it'. No trophies in nearly 5 years now after all.

tmc

weeminger and thismancraig

I think a big difference is that Ferguson and Wenger both PLAY young players and hence they develop better.

We put them in the cupboard.

CelticSephiroth 1:03

Funny you should mention Jiu-jitsu.

Do you know who is the current 'European Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Champion'?

He is linked to todays discussion.

EN

CelticSephiroth - I agree I think most would, but there's always a few.

Unfortunately at the ground a moan is nearly always going to be louder than a 'good try' or 'unlucky'.

I'd have thought since we're pretty dire just now, it would be the ideal time to bring youngsters through. The problem is when you have a good winning team then it's hard to find a place for a youngster. If you were a 17 year old striker, scoring goals for fun in the youth team in 2003, you'd look to the first team and think "There's really no chance I'll replace Larsson"...you can say the same thing about midfielders and Lubo, Lambert, Lennon and Stan.

But if you're a young kid now scoring for fun in the reserves / youth team, you must be looking at the first team and thinking "I could do better than that..", the same as if you're a decent young centre half. It's up to the manager to pick them otherwise all the coaching in the world will be wasted.

Estadio Nacional

At what weight?

I actually got 3rd place at the Glasgow BJJ Open Under 76kg White Belt Division in September. Out of a tough field from Scotland and England I was delighted with my performance and losing to the eventual winner who happens to be a team mate of mine was as good a way to go out as any.

Estadio Nacional

Bixente Lizarazu?

CelticSephiroth

They play youngsters when they are good enough, I think we do as well. Some players should be finding their level earlier than they are.

I would love to declare the CIS Cup a youth competition but look at the reaction to the Hearts defeat? We've given Rangers a trophy.

If there was a league for undersized players I think we might run riot though lol

tmc

donegal danny

totally dis agree with you re robson,this guy is a myth,behind all that effort and running there is not much else,did you not see crosas and nguemo last week won most if not all of there tackles and dominated the midfield against gomis and bauben who usually give us a lot of problems,,,so no to robson and yes to the footballers,crosas and nguemo for me and for the forseeable future

hail hail

CelticSephiroth on November 27, 2009 1:14 PM

I seen it happen at Hearts and Hibs end of last season, Dundee as well. N'Guemo and Crosas good ball players though they may be will not be up for a fight. Robson is THE only player able to win that is able to put up a physical challenge.

Guys like Obua, Bamba, Bauban ran all over our midfield and outmuscled them more often than not. If our ball players were outstanding then yes it may not matter but they're not.

Crosas is decent but he's not exactly a world beater, just because he once played for Barca means nothing. Grant Brebner used to play for Man U but he didn't do much did he.

DD

thismancraig

Perhaps that's the case, but if you ask me we should be buying young players who are good enough. They develop by being played in the first team. We spend too much time playing players who will not develop or improve their game.

Yeah, we would be the Munchkin Champions, beating the Wizard of Oz Select 4-3 in the final played at the Ole Burns Howff Community Stadium.

taggsybhoy @ 12.06

I have 2 available for tomorrow.....
Interested in swap for wed if still available

donegaldanny

I don't know, I've always thought Barry Robson just fouls people alot and doesn't contribute much. He wins possession alot of the time and then doesn't do anything with it. I think playing players in midfield just cos they're strong ball winners is a bit daft unless you're playing 5 across the middle. But that's just my opinion. In the fullness of time we'll see what happens.

All I truly know is that I know nothing. :^)

The only really top talent from the Man U team to the top from all those palyers was Beckham and Scholes.

Cluggers like the Nevilles (Phil has over 50 England caps ( now that is funny), Nicky Butt and chancers like OShea and Fletcher are not top class.

They can join the or could have joined the ranks of

Luke Chadwick
Ronnie Wallwork
That defender they brought through that went to Derby and vanished
Phil Bardsley and thew other guy Ferguson loaned to Rangers.

They haven't brought through a top striker since Mark Hughes so it isn't just us.

Old Taggart has splashed the cash plenty.

donegal danny

crosas hardly played at the end of last season and nguemo was not here last year so you can hardly blame them for being outmuscled can you,if any blamis to be given then it is to guys like hartley and robson as they were strachans favoured midfielders where they not

Strachan's second season - Robson and Hartley won the league for us. Think 20 seconds into the Rangers game at Celtic Park, Robson smashed Dailly on the half way line, set the tone for the game. Robson grabbing the ball for the penalty and tucking it away.

Towards the end of that season, we needed to fight and Hartley and Rosbon done this, giving us the championship.

Having said that, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "strongest team", there's a strongest team for every match.

Tomorrow, I'd play the footballers.

C_H

KrakowBhoy- wee Ryan Giggs?

i would rather have 11 technically good players than 11 bruisers,the crosas type of player is the way forward and guys likre robson are dinosaurs and the reason why scottish football is light years behind the rest

hail hail

Next we'll have 'the Ajax model', which doesn't work either.

Dontbrattbackinanger

Giggs was earlier than Beckham and Scholes

CelticSephiroth

Google tells me Bixente Lizarazu is the Champion at under 76kg category for blue belts aged 35-40.

I thought it was over all champion but that sounds a wee bit too specific.

Caldwells_Heid

Correct, three points to team A, google or FourFourTwo? ;¬]

EN

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 1:27 PM

No they weren't, at the end of the 2007-2008 season Robson arguably won the league for us with Hartley.

But last season I had to sit and watch as our manager at the time played Flood at Tynecastle, persisted with Caldwell and Brown at easter road, and a plethora of other midgets.

Just my opinion like but at times like this we need passion and ball winners more than guys who like to pass 10 yards either side of them.

We lack a qulaity midfield enforcer but Robson does so much dirty work that sometimes he looks bad, but just watch who hes trying to get the ball back for, its when the ball players and more often than not our so called strikers lose it.

DD

DD

thismancraig

Nothing universally works. That's how the game is played.

But with SCOUTING, SCOUTING AND SCOUTING AGAIN you can identify the players that have the attributes you want. Play them in the first team, tell them the areas of their game you want them to work on, develop them.

If it doesn't work out you've probably not lost much and can probably break even or even make a modest profit on a player who ultimately hasn't made it.

We're not going to produce a team of Messis and Ronaldos by adopting this method but it'll certainly improve our chances.

Note that both of those players were making starts for their first teams by age 17.

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 1:31 PM

That may well be true, but right now we're trying to win the Scottish League not La Liga.

DD

Estadio

Four Four Two...

Brian Clough believed passionately that football should be played the 'right way'. Having said that his successful Derby team was built round Dave Mackay, possibly the hardest man to play football in Britain; and when BC got to Forest he rehabilitated the career of Kenny Burns.

Our greatest team featured Bertie Auld and Tommy Gemmell, good, hard solid pros.

The best teams are woven out of a mixture of silk and steel.

Unfortunately our current squad seems to be woven out of mince.

Enjoying the reminiscences on the 82 world cup, an absolute classic and the best i ever watched, partly due to being 13 and the quality of the football.
Me and my mate loved Poland , he baggsied Boniek so I went for the midfielder Buncol(sp?). Remember liking them in 86 as well and eyeing up the white with red pinstripe away top in Greaves a few times but never quite had the cash(remember the top were in wooden drawers or you could buy the box with the whole kit?).

Highlights/lowlights
Eder goal vs USSR
Dave Narey vs Brazil
Keegan missed header vs Spain
Schumacher karate kick on Batiston(think it was a drop ball restart!!)
Austria vs W Germany deliberate 0-0 to put out S Arabia(?)
maradona red card
Tardelli celebration in the final
Horst Rhubesch (just cos of the name)
N Ireland beating Spain(controversial but it was exciting at the time)
Socrates smoking habit and his wifes duties prior to each game.

PS remember Josimar's bizarre swerver vs N Ireland in 86???

......and John Robertson(who normally takes em) is handin the ba' tae me!! I have a dream.....

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TMC....

I Believe We Have The Fish Super Model.... at the Mo....

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Eastadio Nacional

You're right enough

http://www.ibjjf.org/results/2009euro.htm

He's under "Blue Belt Senior 1" and fights in the lightweight category, same as me :^)

BJJ is a great way to keep fit and very, very fun to practice. Been doing it for a year and loving every minute.

CelticSephiroth

Barry Robson is also totally one-footed and playing him wide right last week was ridiculous. He was always trying to turn back onto his left foot and the one time he attempted a cross with his right, it sliced wide for a goal kick.

Watching him playing in Europe in a more central position wasn't much better as he continually gave the ball away and gave a way needless fouls in trying to recover.

I would go with N'Guemo and Crosas and play McGeady on the left and McGinn on the right. The call last season was "play the footballers". Why change that now. Those players are all technically superior to what we will be facing most weeks in the SPL and while they might get out muscled I think Tony needs to persevere with them if he wants to develop the team into an attractive passing side.

I'd also play Paddy McCourt in the hole behind Samaras. I appreciate he didn't have the best of games against Falkirk and many think he has reverted to what was expected but we need to have more patience in our players. One bad game shouldn't mean that's it. It's no wonder we are afraid to pitch youngsters into the side. One poor performance could have a very demoralising affect on their futures.

Mort

Mort

McCourt in the hole is certainly an option that has worked against St Mirren before, I'd just rather opt with the pace of Mizuno. It's all about opinions :^)

'A second wave of young players emerged at Manchester United in the early-to-mid 1990s. This group was often compared to the Busby Babes in terms of the sheer number of talented young footballers all coming through the youth system at once.

Each one was developed by Manchester United from a very early age, some signing schoolboy forms with the club at the age of just 14. Many of these players were part of the Manchester United team that won the 1992 FA Youth Cup, including future United regulars David Beckham, Nicky Butt, Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville.

Also generally considered in this group are players such as Paul Scholes, an FA Youth Cup finalist in 1993 and Phil Neville – Gary's brother – who was a substitute in the 1993 FA Youth Cup Final and captained the team to the 1995 FA Youth Cup

-lifted from Wiki.

Estadio Nacional

Just thinking, at under 76kg I'll never get a game in the Celtic midfield!

I'm going to stick to BJJ. :^)

BernieErskine1967

Top man! Will you be at the 5s tomorrow?

Dontbrattbackinanger

And its probably that extra lean mince crap as well

DD

We need some more players who do the ugly things on the park.
Few people got through Lennon and he had two very cultured and intelligent players beside him.

If they got past them then they had the three giants to play against and plenty didny fancy it.

Some bullies are required for the SPL because you cannot win the SPL without having to out - muscle some teams before you can play (see TFOD for details as non of their kid on hard men would have tried their tricks with Bobo, Mjallby et al. Nor indeed would DU have scored two headers in 7 minutes)

My worry is TM brings in more 5 ft nothings.

The Korean lad will not be a physical player and will get a culture shock in our game so TM needs to sort this out if he is to stay.

If he doesn't then he should pack his bags.

The Honduran looks to be in the mould of a big clugger and one that will be required. Another guy like him and the average SPL striker will hide again.

Tomorrow is crucial. A win and a convincing one would set everyone up nicely especially if Mark mcGhee can do us a favour again.

Mort on November 27, 2009 1:37 PM

Strachan played him wide right a couple of times too mind. Not that its right but there is previous.

DD

I'm just going to put it out there that I don't think Mizuno will get anywhere near the first team this season.

Sure he's fast, and finishes well (once!), but he is far too lightweight. I see him as a similar player to McGinn, who he replaced against Dundee Utd, at Celtic Park. McGinn had run Paul Dixon to the ground all afternoon (MOM remember), and had the beating of him for pace almost every time, when IMO Dixon is a pretty good left back, is very quick and a good striker of the ball. Mizuno came on with 10 minutes to go, and failed to beat his tiring legs once.

I think BTM knows this aswell, hence his disappearance from the first team since..

C_H

Coneybhoy - Schumacher's challenge is unlikely to be surpassed as the most cynical ever, he made Atletico Madrid's assembly of hired-killers in 1974 look like alter boys (actually, some of them probably were former alter boys!)

Bye-kick to West Germany was the outcome after surgeons reassembled Patrick Battiston's head.

Dontbrattbackinanger

I still say Giggs was in the United team before the Fergie Fledglings en masse. It is a moot point anyway 3 truly top talents and the rest just average for me.

Of course anything in England that looks good running past poor defences is built up into something better to be knocked down. They are more parochial than us when it comes to football and many of them could not understand why these brilliant players took 8 years to win the CL and then another 9 years.

I do hate Man U and Liverpool fans rightly pointed out that their run of success brought 4 European cups and one lost final in the space of the 9 years it took Fergie (the greatest manager ever ha ha ha) to win 2.

In 1982 WGermany beat Austria 1-0 to knock Algeria out of the competition.

Fancy the Austrians being involved in anything suspicious.

donegal danny

what does it matter what league we are in??

that kind of thinking is so old fashioned,if we had a squad of players who where all tachn ically good enough to pass and keep the ball then we would skoosh this league,that is a fact,you obviously are a fan of robsons which might be blinding you to the fact that he is totally one sided slow and more often than not after winning the ball he gives it away or takes to long in trying to get it on to his left hand side because he has no right foot,he has great heart and is fighter,but that is not enough

hail hail

play the footballers

Mc.Geady attacking centre midfield. End of.

tomthetim

agreed

hail hail

CelticSephiroth

I was knakked just reading the artical in FourFourTwo, its taken me all day to get together to go to the gym. Guess if Bixente Lizarazu can claim to be European Champion I can claim to be the Champion of empty Lanarkshire gyms in the sunny Friday afternoons in Novemeber catagory.

Caldwells_Heid

Great heids and all that..

EN

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 1:49 PM

I hope you're right but no team is full of ten outfield ball players, not even barcelona or brazil. They all need steel sonewhere.

If you don't think it matters what league we play in, in my opinion that attitude is more harmful than wanting a ball winner.

Juninho, perfect example, berkovic another, ball players far better than any we have right now but couldn't play in scotland.

Horses for courses.

Look at MONs team. Not many ball players were there?

DD

Spark

The thing we all like about football,
is your never quite sure of the result,
it can go one way or the other,
bit like religion, but more of a cult.

What would we do without match days,
wander around feeling quite lost,
scratchin the back of our noggins,
treating everyone we meet with frost.

No cupboards full of team jerseys,
a lack of scarf, banner and flag,
empty drawers that once held old programs,
life slowly becoming a drag.

Nothing to kick but tin cans,
no memories of playing down the park,
lost in the mist of a new world,
with rugby and cricket till dark.

This nightmare will never happen,
we're born with it, it's in our blood,
pumping with each waking moment,
kicking balls, right through the mud.

Can't beat standing in a stadium,
your team, it takes the park,
atmosphere pounding your eardrums,
the life blood, that makes you spark.

William Topaz Serenity

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Posters....

Re; The Hole Behind Samaras....

Children read this Site....

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Kojo....

Jam Tomorrow....001

thomthethim on November 27, 2009 1:51 PM

I would like to see that as part of a midfield 5 or just in behind the striker.

DD

Yes, we need Crosas in the team, yes we need footballers. But we also need Barry Robson, because he is the ONLY player with guts, the only leader we have on the park.

Lack of mental strength, spirit, leadership - whatever you want to call it - is why we usually lose to Scotland's Shame.

At Tannadice Barry Robson was played out of position and didn't have a great game, but he still got us our goal.

I think Tony Mowbray understands what Barry Robson brings to the team. I at least I hope so.

DBBIA

I think what the previous poster was referring to was that West Germany and Austria both qualified from their group as a 1-0 ensured West Germany would progress as group winners, and Austria would also progress.

I am sure they then proceeded to pass the ball around the pitch aimlessly for say the last ten minutes or so.

A "Gid Yin" in Bob Valentine was refereeing this match too!

Estadio Nacional

It is quite tiring but great fun. I was 89kg when I started training a year ago and am now walking around at 76kg. For future competition I may attempt to cut down to 70kg as I'll have giant man strength and height at that weight.

CelticSephiroth

Nice to see you are in touch with your feminine side seen as you love rolling about the ground cuddling other blokes. It sounds like there is one too many J's in that sport. :o)

MWD

donegal danny

your missing my point here mate

i dont have a problem with having players who have a bit of steel in fact im all for it

my point is this,they must have the basic technical skils first before anything else,without that then they could be the hardest guy in the world but would be no use to us anywhere on the football pitch,thats why i would continue with crosas and nguemo(who i think is the best ball winner at the club)because they give the midfield a better balance than when robson partners either of them

zaluska

hinkle loovens caldwell fox

mcgeady nguemo crosas mcginn

zz
macdonald

hail hail

Paul

Let's hope we raise the roof with support for our team and not howls of anguish at the first mistimed pass, missed tackle or fluffed shot.

The masses who populate Celtic Park could take a leaf out of the Jungle Bhoys and Green Brigade in how to SUPPORT our team. Their are too many customers disguised as Celtic fans.

Beating teams like St. Mirren should be a given. It's a sad day that we're sitting here not 100% confident in gaining the three points against a very poor team.

We've went from boring to aweful in the transition from Strachan to Mowbray, let's just hope he can turn it around because if he wasn't an ex-player he'd have been hounded out by now.

MWD,

Jits is the best thing you can do with a room full of men in pyjamas :^)

DD

True. A number of things wee Gordon did were baffling including playing Gary Caldwell in midfield.

Mort

DunPerth- Algeria beat WG 2-1 in the opening group game, which meant that the Germans had to beat Austria to make sure they went through..

Once the Germans took the lead after 10 minutes both teams played for time.

I am a devotee of the beautiful game, but I do think that it is always very handy to have a couple of strong players in the team, but they should be able to play a bit as well, otherwise they are so much wasted space - think how much better Bobo would have been if he could have found a man with a pass!

For example, Gattuso. Another Rangers player was Tom Forsyth from the 1970's, who was a good footballer and stood for no nonsense (personally I think that Forsyth became too brutal after a while, but I'd have had him in my team). Rangers - traditionally a 'strong' team (I'm choosing my words carefully here) always had one or two players like that. The Celtic 1970 team had Brogan and Hay, both of whom could play. These no-messing players are not an end in themselves, but they allow others to play. Scott Brown and Barry Robson are the nearest we have.

Oh, and on the subject of Brazil 1970, if you had tried messing with Rivelhino....

Enforcer, yes, but he needs to be able to play a bit.

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Ah Feck it....

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Friday....Jam Tomorrow.... Sessions....

Soul Cellar....ft L.Williams Esq....

001JamSessionCSC

The WG-Austria game may have brought about a positive change in that all group games now finish on the same date-in 1982 the Algerians beat Chile the day before , so the skulking Teutons knew what result to concoct between themselves.

'Not only is Mr.Mowbray Technically a TOSSER.. '

..that's the kind of phrase that usually leads to a snort of disapproval from Disgusted of Scranton.

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 2:04 PM

I see what you're saying chief but N'Guemo has one problem, he's far far too light weight to be considered a ball winner and although I love to see him going in for challenges he doesn't win many.

For me Barry Robson would be the Celtic captain. Yes he has limitations but he is a winner, and a leader.

Away from home crosas and n'guemo won't win us many games in the SPL, this league is far harder than that physically. My opinion of course, I may well be wrong and you may well be right.

DD

kojo

I agree with most of what your last post says but you are very forthright at condemning posters for their use of certain words reminding them quite correctly that this is a family site and children read these posts.

Your description of Mr Mowbray falls into this category and should be removed.

Mort

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Topical....

The Hesitations....

001JaminCSC

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Mort.

I agree,pal.

It is a Proscribed Woid.

I am sorry and shall not use it again.

and My submission should be removed,forthwith.

My Apologies to all.

Kojo.

donegaldanny

i dont think that you can call nguemo light weight,last week at tannadice he was outstanding he never gave them a minutes piece and in my opinion he won almost all of his tackles,he won more than robson and overall contributed more also,as did crosas

i just dont get this robson thing he is an absolute myth

hail hail

ibleedgreenandwhite

You say N'Guemo contributed more than Robson at Tannadice. Who won the penalty and converted it? How many did N'Guemo score?

I knew you would see sense kojo. Trust me, I have wanted to use similar words to describe people in the past.

Mort

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 2:28 PM

I feel the same way about crosas to a cetai extent, if we'd signed him from Zaragoza or Malaga he'd not be on the radar, just beause he came from Barca people over-rate immensely, in my opinion.

I just think a midfield of McGinn, Crosas, N'Guemo and McGeady is weak as water and won't dig in when the chips are down in the SPL.

We shall see.

DD

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Even More Topicaller....

The 'Castairs'....

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Kojo,

Do you think TM will be out the door if we don't pick up the full 3pts on Saturday??

Lubomiraculous on November 27, 2009 2:30 PM

We got beat as well.

DD

Similar result and outcome from the last home game would help boost confidence.

I can't imagine the fans will raise the roof tomorrow but it would help if we don't jump on the players backs every time they make a mistake.....

Kojo

Are you not going to delete your post? You were quick enough with JohnPauls yesterday.

DD

lubo

lets have an adult debate here please,,what age are you for goodness sake,,5

robson scored and nguemo didnt so that means nguemos rotten then???

jeeezo

hail hail

cant believe guys on here still want caldwell in team!!

how many more goals does he need to cost us before people realise what a weak defender he is still making the same mistakes he did 2/3 years ago with his poor positioning and weakness in the air

mcmanus has not cost us the amount of goals he has yet people will not give him any slack(naylor last season)

mcmanus is stronger,quicker harder better in the air and as good a passer as caldwell will ever be and for me,like earlier blogger,i dont think we would have lost 2nd goal last week if mcmanus had played

and most of all who would you want in the trnches at a time like this me give me a committed celtic man,better defender and stronger headerer i will and will always want mcmanus before a posing liability that is caldwell

DD @ 2.33 p.m.

And your point is?

He'll have to get his breath back first, with just bein' in from the jiggin'.

Lubomiraculous on November 27, 2009 2:38 PM

That away from home we lost with that midfield, I think more often than not away from home we need Robsons steel, but central rather than wide.

DD

donegal danny

it was not our midfield that lost us the game at tannadice,it was our centre halfs failure to do their jobs properly

hail hail

DD

If I read yesterday's post correctly, did Kojo not specifically say that he was not a Moderator?

Perhaps you missed his reply to you, but if you didn't, are you accusing him of telling you lies?

Just askin' like.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Donegal Danny.

I am with you on the Crosus, thingymy.

You did not miss the nail on that observation.

If Crosus was not a Barcelona Alumnus.. he would be hard pressed
to get a game for us.

Master Crosus is a Complete Light Weight.

He has NO DIG.

And.

I do not think he is capable of Making a Telling.. FORWARD PASS.

He scarcely evah instigates an Attack.

My summation of him is the same one that I dedicated to Mr. Lennon.

Like Mr. Lennon..

Mr. Crosus is a Patty Cake Performer.

Which is a Person, who is quite Happy to Get RID of the Ball , as Soon as Is Possible..

and has a Strong Penchant, to make every Pass of his..

A CROSS MID FIELD PASS, to a NEARBY Colleague, which does nothing to help our cause.

Again..

I would ship Master Crosus, back to his own Country.. tout de suit..and replace him with..

Master Caddis..

Who is quite Fearless, and would be Much more alert in Instigating a FORWARD PASSES, plus he is a darn fine Wing Back,

Whose Crosses can be most welcome and Fruitful.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a loater.

ibleedgreenandwhite on November 27, 2009 2:43 PM

true but its all relative mate, the goals came from corners our midfield should've dominated the game sufficiently that we did not concede two late corners. Granted the defence were at fualt, but we played the footballers and didn't do very much with them.

At home it may be different, its far harder away from homethought, as we saw last season and continue to this season. Sadly.

It'll improve when the lad David Ki comes in by the looks of him.

DD

kojo

are you caddis?? MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hail hail

ibleedgreenand white

Don't know why you react so aggressively. Where did I say that N'Guemo was rotten?

I was merely asking in what way N'Guemo's contribution was greater than Robson's. N'Guemo is a good player, but he has not scored a single goal for us yet. He is also relatively young and playing abroad, so he is not going to be able to exert the same kind of influence as an experienced SPL pro like Robson.

I didn't come on here to knock N'Guemo. My point is that Robson is the ONLY winner/leader we have. I am convinced that we tend to lose to Rankers precisely because we don't have players with attitude. We certainly don't have inferior players.

Kojo

I'd rather have Crosas making 5 yard passes to Celtic players than the rest of our midfielders making 5 yard passes to opposition players.

C_H

Anyone realised that Rangers' game tomorrow is just their 5th game away from home this season? (Played 7 at home)

We've already played 7 away. (5 at home)

Kinda makes me feel a wee bit better about the league at the moment.

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The Brothers Johnstone....Stomp....

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DD @ 2.41 p.m.

Then I agree 100 per cent!

Kojo

Agree I'd have Paul Caddis in the team before Niall McGinn every day of the week.

DD

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Gerry.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying,pal..

If Mr. Mowbray's Team Selection fails to Defeat St. Mirren,on Saturday,and in the Process, Actually Loses to the Buds, I believe strongly that It will be the Final Nail In his Coffin.

And..

Would Be the End for him as a Celtic Manager.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a loat.

Kojo

Was nodding in agreement until you issued a ban on Barry Robson from ever playing for Celtic again (!?).

I agree that it was befuddling to see him played on the right and did call into question the competence of the management team, which is now no longer questionable, as it is unquestionably MISSING. However, Barry coped well with the appalling assignment he had been given by the three imbecili, and does not deserve to be cast out, for heaven's sakes! I've seen certain players cement their place through worse performances.

Paul67

Can't muster any enthusiasm for your rallying call. I'm of the firm belief that, under this management team, things will get much worse before they get better.

Mowbray, Grant & Venus hang around > Mowbray, Grant and Venus leave

=

Things get worse > Things get better

My only hope is that Rangers' January firesale will leave them so bereft of talent that not even Longshanks himslef can save them.

Expect some long dark winter nights ahead.

A Word

People will post, say whatever they want,
some will object, others will flaunt,
they are selective, know what they read,
some will criticise, that is their need.

Moderators are watchdogs, who keep an eye,
one word out of place, the jump will be high,
deleted, removed, taken from view,
poster beware as this might be you.

So watch what you write, children are here,
as so often told, we hold them dear,
poor little angels, never been exposed,
bad dirty words, we have composed.

Next time you type, please take a care,
look up the dictionary, the meaning is there,
so easy to slip by, a solitary word,
you meant to say girlfriend, but it wuz burd.

William Topaz Serenity

Inspired by how easy it is to slip up.

Kojo

Your opinion on Crosas is flawed. Are you seriously suggesting that he only plays for Celtic FC as he is from FC Barcelona?

If so, you need to get out more.

I for one would certainly put more faith in the ability of FCB spotting a player in the making than anyone at Celtic Park.

Crosas would be the first midfielder down in my team every week.

I am also unsure as to why you would suggest Caddis taking his place given that they play two completely different positions.

You have slain Maloney, Brown and now Crosas of our midfield and may in fact be running out..

DundeePerth

who is a little unsure of your logicer...

.

Cant Help it....

The Jackson Sisters....I Believe in Miracles....(Thumbs Up Remix....)

001KingOfPopCSC

I can't believe a so-called Celtic fan can come on here, call our manager a "TOSSER," and escape virtually without condemnation.

A shameful, shameful comment.

Whatever you think about Tony Mowbray's abilities as a manager, that comment was way out of line.

Mort / DD

Barry Robson also played wide right for DU cocsistently and well, matter of fact I believe it was in that position that he came to our notice terrorising the Bad Guys and scoring a wonderful goal against them.

We do need dig in the middle of the field - and Barry Robson provides it. However I do differ from you on n'Guemo. Granted against DU I thought he misplaced a few passes but he is improving in this area and he was very strong in retaining possession despite being put under a lot of pressure.

Crosas? Don't get all the fuss about him.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,fried.. Up and Over.

I am deadly serious,pal.

Mr. Robson, is now in the Late, Late, Twilight of his Career.

He did play an important Part, Two Seasons ago,in helping us to
secure the League Flag.

That was then, this is Now.

Celtic need all the Help at the moment that they can garnish.

And..

Unfortunately, Mr.Robson is no longer capable of advancing that Help.

Again..

This is My Opinion.. possibly not shared by many.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a loater.

Serenity

Naughty words? CQN will not tolerate such slips.
But who cares if we give the wee ones a few betting tips.

If Kojo's assertion is correct then all you woebetide's should be hoping for a St Mirren win tomorrow so all your wishes can come true?

For me it should be a 2-5-3
zaluska
caddis heid
the bomber mcgeady n'guemo sami robson
mcGinn misfortune scotti

The way through a packed defence is for the front players to receive the ball with back to goal delivering a one touch lay off into the path of a rushing team mate. With St Mirren playing their usual 9-1 formation we don't need more than 2 defenders and only 1 that can pass and tackle (Caddis).

St. Michaels Bhoy on November 27, 2009 3:04 PM

Exactly what I thought, but thought there was no point in raising it in case it got deleted.

DD

People were waxing lyrical about the great Brazilian team of 1970. I have no doubt they were the finest football team I have ever witnessed. Rivelino, Gerson, Tostao, Jairzinho and Edson Arantes dos Nascimento. And they were only the forward line. After nearly 30 years I can still see them in full flow. Football as it's played in Paradise.....

It has been said too that we need to get behind the team. That should be a given. Sadly, it isn't and, especially for young lhads coming into the team, Celtic Park can be an unforgiving place. When will we ever learn to encourage the young ones particularly? I hope Misun and Thompson make it, as we desperately need good CBs but I would hope that we would only put them in the team when there is someone there who can guide them through their first games.

StMichBhoy- there was some criticism[ 2.20 and 2.22]

We're all equal on CQN, but some are more equal than others.

you are all wrong :-)

hail hail

i like robson a lot he has his limitations but hey everyone has

and inresponse to the critiscm our new manager has taken for playing him wide right dont you folks have any memories he played wide right for nearly 2 seasons at dundee utd and it was his performances in this position that had us and a number of english clubs trying to sign him

so ffs criticise when its right but i get the feeling certain people on here are just looking to stick the knife in

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Dundee Perth.

I sure have slain, Molly, Master Brown.. and now as you say.. Master Crosus.

And..

If I may say so..

I believe that I have been Perfectly accurate..so far..

In making those Harsh judgments, regarding the Value that Molly and Master Brown have brought to the Team.

And..

I believe that Master Crosus, is a Passenger.

And..

A Passenger is the last thing that we need in this dismal part of the Book.

If we are looking for an Happy ending.

While I am in the Mood..

I would also, dispense with the services of Mr. Fox.

Another Player who contributes not a lot.

And is no bettah in any way than his Equally unuseful Predessor.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye, already.

So tomorrow will arrive soon enough. The debates rage on who will play, who will not. Who deserves to, who does not. The fans are divided but every opinion counts. But there is one sure thing that unites us all and that is the famous Glasgow Celtic...Celtic... Celtic...Celtic

Kojo

Right now, Barry Robson belongs in the top tier of players at Celtic, whether you (and many others on here) like it or not.

If he leaves in January, pull up a chair, uncork a bottle of Swedish whisky, and get your fiddle out - cos thw whole thing's gonna go up in smoke!

How's our form been since Maloney was injured, by the way?

Oh, that's right - we beat Kilmarnock!

Can you get Swedish Whisky? Is it any good?

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Up and Over.

Our form has been dismal, atrocious and horrendous since we beat
Kilmarnock.

I thought you would have noticed that, and would not have had any need to ask.

Seems, like I have misjudged your powers of observation, greatly.

Kojo.
yer pal..who likes ye a loater.

"Barry Robson belongs in the top tier of players at Celtic"

That's the sorry state we're in!

Caddis has proven every time he comes on and in almost every reserve game that he has the ability. It's time we started giving him a chance.

On Robson, I can see people like his "tenacity" but a lot of this grit in born from his second touch being a tackle. It's not so much a poor first touch as him not being able to move his feet fast enough to take it away from his marker.

He has his role but what concerns me is people arguing over Robson or Crosas, McManus or Caldwell... the sad fact is none of them are good enough.

There's not enough pace, strength or ability in the team, which makes it all the worse, you'd think we'd have one of the three attributes mentioned above. At least then we could use money as an excuse "we don't have the funds to be big AND technically gifted".

The only out-field player in the team who is good enough is McGeady (I've not quite given up on Hinkel, Fox, N'Guemo or Samaras yet - on their game), and yet some still get on his back.

We're screwed and the only shining light is we may be able to slowly improve due to a lack of a rival.

KrakowBhoy on November 27, 2009 1:27 PM

I agree with your point regarding the number of youngsters who came through at that time with Manchester United is not as great as the myth would have us believe.

However...

I do disagree with calling the Neville’s, in particularly the Gary variety, cloggers.
It’s an argument I've found myself in on many an occasion, Gary Neville for a spell was, IMO, the best defensive right back in Europe. Okay he's not as flashy as a Cafu or a Zambrotta, but defensively he was as solid as they come, both in the tackle and positionally. Being a permanent fixture in both Manchester United and England teams for a decade doesn't happen if you’re a clogger.

Oh and BTW I'm no fan of Manchester United or England. I can't stand either but credit where it’s due and I think Mr Gary Neville is due a lot more than most people give him.

KS

I'd certainly not be flustered to replace McGinn with Caddis in my line up but I don't think I'd take out Crosas for him.

Kojo

I'll ladle it on with a trowel next time.

Kojo

If our Manager is wanting

If he is not sufficiently extrovert for the roll

If he is not sufficiently skilled to perform at the required level

If he should be relieved of his responsibilities.........

That is hardly his fault.

Surely you should be asking............

Who interviewed him for this job?

Who decided he was an appropriate match for the job?

Who recommended his appointment?

Who agreed and sanctioned that appointment?

Spin the botle and it points to both our Executive Management and Board. Howeevvah, (as you like to say) you seem to be devoid of accepting this laibility and culpability on the part of those entrusted with making these judgements? How so?

up_over_goal

you are shaun maloney I think you should own up

HH

p,s, you are injured again here you are shambi

To all of the Barry Backers.

Guys, Barry, WAS a fine addition to Celtic..and a Valuable one.

Howevahhhhhh..

When you maintain that Barry is STILL a key player for Celtic, you are making that Assumption on Yesterdays News.

Barry, has now gone the way of all flesh,he is no longer a young player... and is now
living on his remembered exploits of the Past.

Time to stamp his Time Card and leave,the work-place, with dignity.

Kojo.

CelticSephiroth

Yep, that is indeed the state we're in - how sorry it is I suppose depends on your view of Barry Robson.

My view is that he is an integral part of what makes a successful team. He shouldn't, however, be our best player. Ideally, that should go to our wingers or strikers. I'll leave you to decide whether Mcgeady/Samaras/Mcdonald/McCourt/Mcginn have been doing better for us than Barry Robson for us than Barry Robson.

Just in case you're wondering, I don't think they have.

dumbhoy on November 27, 2009 3:34 PM

Don't mention the board you'll be deleted by Paul67s band of roving pro board moderators!

Even now they're trying to say that Robson was good under Strachan (who wasn't at fault in any way for any thing mind) but is now terrible now that Mowbrays the manager!

but its not the boards fault...no its not... never.. never the bords fault... how can it be?... what do they do?...

:-) :-O :-)

DD

donegaldanny

There are many hurting as the board are exposed for the numpties they are. Perhaps they feel a little cheated?

Good celtic men and women just taken in by spin spin and spin.

Thankfully most have seen through it.

This board is finished unless they act with ambition and imagination in january.

See you in the pub

Hail Hail

Does anyone know where i can get a copy of the BBC Hogmanay show from Gleneagles Hotel in 1985 with Chic Murray presenting. It was a live broadcast & ended up a total shambles with folk hammered on the sauce & Chic unsure of which camera to look into

As dumbhoy has pointed out - we have the rather ironic situatio where we are being asked to raise the roof to inspire the team - and at the same time those who have been attempting to do this have been hounded out by those in charge at CP.

The Board are concerned about any group who may become vocal - thats why the green brigade have been given the treatment. They are terrified that the protests that they are expecting become very vocal.

SO let me get this right - we are to raise the roof to support a failing and inadequate team, which has been starved of investment and where we as customers have been shortchanged? But we are only allowed to do this if we follow the instructions of the Board and dont dare show any sense of annoyance as to what is going on?

Mmmmm - no thanks.

NegativeAnon on November 27, 2009 3:46 PM

My thoughts exactly.

DD

NegativeAnon - surely it's not that difficult to support the team on the pitch, who let's be honest are not themselves are fault for being inadequate, and protest after. That's what I'd do.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Dumbhoy

Pal...Mr. Mowbray is not Performing as Advertised.

Look... these things happen,every day... one buys a delicious looking meat Pie... and when one eats it..

Blah!

Now who is at fault?

Me or the Pie Maker.

In my House..

We always blame the Cook, if the dinner fails to please.

The Celtic Board of Guardians, certainly chose the Cook.

However, it is the Cook's Responsibility from then on,
to perform according to his resume.

If the Cook fails to deliver.

Then the Cook should be Dismissed.

Are you getting all this written down?

This is how the World Functions.

The Person on the Spot, is either Rewarded or Punished, according to his Performance on the Job.

The Personnel Manager,who hired him, is never ever blamed.

Surely, a man of the world, such as yourself is aware of that?

Or ..are you?

Seems like mebbe, ye urnae.

Kojo.
yer pal.. who likes ye a loater.

Barry Robson stared last week in right midfield .Was he the best right midfielder available for selection I do,nt think so,It therefore goes back to the manager why did he play him there.In fact what is Barry Robsons best position?

Kojo

Can't and argue with your view on Robson. However...

Young Master Crosas is a footballer with an unerring ability to find a team mate with the football. He is in an exclusive club of 1 at Celtic Park, and more's the pity.

Despite the best efforts of our defence to undermine the entire team in recent matches, particularly against Dundee United it should not be forgotten that Crosas and N'Guemo ran the show. Or for that matter, that Mr McGeady put in a most enouraging though ill-rewarded shift.

TBB

Celtic supporters are being asked to ..err..support Celtic.

Where will it all end?

Back the team; back the Manager; make your own mind up about whether you back the Board.

Missed out the T in started

Kojo on November 27, 2009 3:51 PM

If the restaurant provide the cook with inferior ingredients nothing of any taste will ever be produced.

The board have not given the cook any help whatsoever, the previous cook found that out in the end but he had no excuse, he'd ben there long enough to kow what the restaurant were like.

DD

DD

Praise and criticism where it's due.

If a player is not very good but playing to his maximum potential, what is there to criticise? If a player is performing well below expectation/ability.... then there is some room for criticism.

same goes for managers and....................Boards.

Everyone makes mistakes......... no problemo. It happens.

But, if at this early stage the current Manager has to be written off as not up to the job (as opposed to under performing) the buck stops with those who decided he was.

Unless I am otherwise mistaken this is a fairly normal article which amounts to nothing much more than 'COME ON THE HOOPS'.

No wonder Celtic Park collectively groans permanently, our attitude is about as close to being worthy of the name Celtic as the current team are.

donegaldanny

Maybe it's a Chef we need then and not a cook!

Lubomiraculous

Spot on with your point re. Robson. We need someone with steel, dig, determination and, need I say it, someone who will kick and tackle back. We are getting hammered in the engine room (and have been since Lenny stepped aside unfortunately). Robson gives you 100% every week IMO.

If one of the top two footballing sides in the world think it wise to deploy a strong, holding midfielder that wins and distributes the ball (Yaya Toure and Busquets take shots each in Guardiola's midfield) then I dont think it's a bad move. These guys let the technically gifted play and are required in our game - although the need to sit deep should not be necessary against 90% of SPL teams at Celtic Park?

thismancraig on November 27, 2009 3:56 PM

Well spotted but Michelin star chefs are not found at West Bromwich, or Dundee Utd are they? Especially not when we were apparently looking 'worldwide' for the 'best' candidate.

DD

Cook & Chef debate
Who called the cook a c--t or Who called the c--t a cook

dd

I could go all WGS on it next time and report on the 'ideal candidate' for manager, live from Masterchef, the Professionals!

tmc

john paul

these guys you refer to do let the other players play you are spot on,but these so called enforcers can also play a bit too,they are as good as the the rest when it comes to the technical side of the game,there are too many on here trying to build robson up to be something he is not,his time out through injury has made him into this mythical roy keane type player which he clearly is not

hail hail

The cuisine we're being served up just now comes straight from the recipe book of Kirk Numb-Nuts.

Surely BTM and WGS purchased the ingredients themselves and have had as much money as any of their competitors to do so.

Criticise the recruitment process all you want though.

Like inferior food to many of our players are past there sell by date

Kojo

Your cook analogy hinges on the fact that Mr Mowbray is a Michelin Star man but is serving up big macs. Personally, I haven't seen his CV and so I am not in a place to comment, although anecdotally, my knowledge of his history would not place him in such a category, and on my job description for this post, he would not have made the shortlist (unless on seeing his CV I was astounded of forehead at what I didn't know about him). Nonetheless, your analogy requires no performance in the duties of appointing? Surely there is performance management in relation to the appointment of those under you?

Sorry, but for me if the restaurant general manager appoints Col Sanders to run his 5* restaurant I know whose has demonstrated dereliction of duty.

the midfied is not our problem area,its our centre halfs and centre forwards that need repairing,our central midfield bossed the game at tannadice,along with mcgeady and hinkle both crosas and nguemo played as well as any midfield pairing have done in recent times up there against gomis and bauben who always give us a hard time of it,the way those two played they deserved a better result unfortunately for them our centre halfs could not do there jobs and ruined what had been up to that point a good display

hail hail

Managers

The thing about getting a new manager,
who everyone wants to be green,
"don't want the type we had last time"
must be the worst we have seen.

Don't care if he gathered in trophies,
not interested, if he won us the league,
he just wisnae, "Celtic minded"
watchin the fitba, was too much fatigue.

The danger of getting ex players,
with no European pedigree,
limits us in our ambition,
holding us back, you'll agree.

A lot of good experienced managers,
will be frightened away with this creed,
something we have to get over,
put behind us, start using the heid.

William Topaz Serenity

Gordon Ramsay played for Rangers. True, cos he said so.

chefsareliarsCSC

ibleedgreenandwhite

Point more than taken and I agree with the majority of your post. My key point was that even fantastic footballing sides need a holding midfielder (Arsenal have been crying out for one since Viera left and it's stopping them becoming serious title contenders IMO).

I know that you didnt infer this but Im not one of those who has built the myth of Barry Robson. I just feel, at this moment in time when we badly need players who take pride in wearing our hoops and give 100% (and contribute to the positivity of our side), Robson fits into this category. So did Hartley - not technically gifted but his opposing number knew he was in a game end of. I havent tallied it up myself but I bet you that our record WITH Robson in our side is better than WITHOUT him in it.

And Roy Keane (in his prime)was unique in my book and Robson should'nt even be mentioned in the same breath:-)

Right. Back to Headhunting good managers: Something I dont think PL has done successfully this time around...TM PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE prove me wrong big man.

Hail Hail

How about a Chef de partie

Por cierto I was at the ticket office today and received a printed ticket for the game tomorrow.
On the ticket it says "Celtic more than a football club."
Obviously a very bad take from Barca's "More than a club"

I think a better club motto would be "not just a Club, a Culture"

Anyone else think the present one is cheap and not becoming.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..The Battered Bunnet.

Pal... here are my Reasons as to why I believe that Master Crosus
should be sent back to Barcelona.

He just does not Contribute.

And that is the my Number One Gripe, concerning the Performances that Mr. Crosus turns in for us.

Sure, he can and does make a most attractive looking first time pass..and straight to a Colleague, to boot.

Nevertherless.. that Colleague, is rarely in a Position to endanger the security of our Opponents' Goal area.

Again..

What exactly is Master Crosus Role in the Mid Field?

Is he to be considered a HOLDING PLAYER, or an ATTACKING PLAYER?

My Presumption, and really that is all it is, is that he is supposed to be an ATTACKING MID FIELDER.

The reason for that Presumption is,simply this..

Master Crosus, is Soitenly NOT a Holding Mid Fielder.. as his tackling is not such that would draw applause from the Gallery.

I would describe his tackling ...a Far from Fierce.

So..

Assuming that My Presumption is correct.

Mr. Crosus, regularly turns in, a very Insipid and Unsatisfactory Performance, as an Attacking Midfielder..

He rarely if ever instigates an Attack on the Opposition's Defense.

He seldom Carries the Football,FORWARD, into the Enemy Territory, in fact.. He always seems to Regard the Football as a Hot Potato..as he soitenly does not take much time in getting rid of it, as soon as possible.

I have given my reasons,pal.. I am not just condemning Master Crosus out of hand..

I honestly feel that he is taking up a Berth, in our Team, that could be more favorably filled, for us, by another player.

I have suggested, Master Caddis..

Only a suggestion..

This conversation that we are having could be a moot one.

For.

This Young Korean,who shall arrive soon... if what I have bin told is even Half Accurate....
will solve this problem of our lack of an Attacking Mid Field General.

Kojo.
yer pal..who likes ye a loater

VargasShampoo on November 27, 2009 3:46 PM
Sorry cant help, remember it well though, unintentional cringemaking humour at its best!! If you find it please let me know?

There is no way Barry Robson should be anywhere near our first team. Is this how low we have come, when a 31 year old journeyman is being hailed as the man to fix our problems in midfield.

The only thing that can fix this team is a January clearout, followed by an injection of freash blood.

It's probably going to take selling a big name player to finance it, but I don't see any other way forward. With Brown out injured I think we are looking at selling either Aiden or Artur. Personally I would be tempted to cash in on Aiden. He might be the most skillfull player we have, but wouldn't it be nice to have a winger who beats his man AND delivers a decent ball into the box.

With that money we just might be able to afford a decent striker and a centre half. Then we just need to keep our fingers crossed the Korean boy is as good as he's being hyped up to be...

Weeminger - you are quite right - generally I dont blame the players or managers. I know Kojo takes a different view and thats fine.

But Celtic are in serious serious trouble here - we are in major decline and for the most part it is needless.

The Board have watched as this has unfolded and thrown us somewhat pathetic platitudes - such as the fightback starts here, another Seville season etc etc.

It is an insult to the intelligence of the support. We are being treated with contempt.

The club are now hiding behind the recession and claiming that this is why we are in for another 5 years of "hard times".

But we all know the truth - that if we are going to go through even further decline its because the board have created a horrible cycle of decline. It will take a change of heart and direction to break free of this cycle.

Sadly there is NO sign they have learned their lesson - so I guess its down to us to show them the error of their ways. And the only way to do that will be to withdraw our support (particularly our financial support).

Or we can allow them to continue to rip us off...if thats your thing.

JohnPaul203

I believe Tony Mowbray recognises how important Barry Robson is to the team. If he doesn't, I'm afraid we're in trouble.

Steinreignedsupreme
good memory on the schumacher incident.

Anyone under 30 should look that up on YouTube, a real shocker.

Can't wait for the game tomorrow, ticket in pocket and off to the airport.
7-1

FA Cup

Chris Sutton's Lincon travel to play green and white Hooped Northwich Victoria.

Name a band who support Northwich Victoria.

Kojo,
Regarding Crosas. Have you considered that his short sharp passes to the feet of his colleagues are the best and possible only option he has? When he has the ball, and bearing in mind you agree he has the ability to find his colleague with the ball, do you see any of his fellow players giving him the option to instigate an attack? Have you thought that he may be constricted by the positions and ability of his own players?

Re: VargasShampoo on November 27, 2009 3:46 PM

This is from the Guardian, in respect of that very show.

"Hogmanay isn't just about getting all pissed up and aggressive Southern-style, though; it's about getting all pissed up and incoherent too. The BBC's last foray into New Year's Shortbread Tinnery came at the end of 1984, a live affair from a Gleneagles hotel which proved a complete shambles – albeit a very memorable one. Legendary comedian Chic Murray hoved into view as the year's First Foot, but had such a tenuous grip on what was occurring around him that, instead of getting on with his act, he clammed up for what seemed like minutes, before asking where the camera was (while staring straight into it). Even more dismally, poet John Grieve repeatedly stumbled over two lines of bloody awful doggerel – "As New Year's Eve approaches I get sadder every day/It makes me mad that I get sad for I know I should be gay" – before corpsing, then staring in impotent panic at the embarrassed woman sitting to his left. Cold drinks may, or may not, have been taken.

This was such a spectacular car-crash that, 12 months later, the BBC went to great lengths to promise viewers they would "not hear a bagpipe, an accordion or the swirl of a kilt" for one single second of their end-of-1985 show. Not that the quality was upped too much by the addition of trousers to the mix, Terry Wogan opening the show by waltzing on stage with his flies down."

There is a little footage @ 5 mins and 45 secs in

Barry Robson adds lots of huff and puff but not much else.

EN

Hey Matthew or Pete Waterman

NegAnon - we differ because I don't feel ripped off. Perhaps it's because I don't expect a direct relationship between what I invest in supporting the team and what the board put into the team.

I don't buy merchandise, so I'm not overly concerned with how many strips are released. Nobody is forced to buy the stuff.

Ticket prices? Generally I think they're fine. Somebody on here paid 100 Euros for the Barca game the other night, for a standard seat.

Although in regards to pricing I'd suggest that the board return the added value to season tickets ie first home cup game free in all competitions. At the moment I think you can actually now get to all home league games cheaper on a match by match basis, after discounts.

Right. I'm off.

Just had a phone call been asked to work tomorrow.Christmas just round the corner so I,ve decided to accept.The good news is we seem to always win either when I don,t go or don,t watch it on TV
In fact we don,t only win its usually bye a few goal.So get your money on 5-0 tomorrow
Come on the Hoops
Hope this has cheered you all up

Kojo,

Crosas not good enough again?

Oh dear. You do have unusual glasses through which you watch your football.

Weeminger - you cant be happy with performances and results tho?

The Spirit of Arthur Lee

Never heard of them.. I thought you would have got it...

Clue, they have been played on the night shift.

EN

By Kojo on November 27, 2009 4:21 PM

not meaning to have a go at you personally, but i feel this simplified view of footballers is one of our main problems in scotland.
crosas is not an attacking midfielder, his job is to keep the ball moving, keeping it away from the opposition and try to give it to players in our team who are in a better position to receive the ball. unfortunately our team is full of plodders who need about 4 touches to control and pass the ball. hence we are p**h. maybe he's not a great tackler but one of the reasons we seem to want great tacklers is because we constantly give the ball away. with more players like crosas we'd be doing better than we are. he's not a world beater but is probably the most able of our midfielders. the rest are mediocre to poor.

Zaluska
Hinkel - Heid - Loovens - Fox
Crosas - Robson - N'Guemo
McGeady
McDonald - Fortune

Definitely play McGinn in the 2nd half if required. MAF needs a few 90 minutes under his belt and then we MAY see a big difference in his performances as he was getting there prior to the Arsenal game

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend... National Peoples Gang.

I know,bettah than most, that Our Present Complement of Players, leave much to be desired, as to their ability to... THINK..nevah even, considering their ability to Play Fitba'!

Most of them, again in my opinion, would have to be under extreme pressure to walk and Chew Gum at the Same Time!

Howevahhhhhhhhh...

Be that as it may or not may..

What you are proposing as a Reason as to why we should Accept Master Crosus as a Bona Fide Mid Fielder.. sounds to me ..

A Lot like ..

An ...EXCUSE!

Regarding, A Reason, for the Inherent Failings of Master Crosus.

Howevahhhhhhhhhh...

Once, you get to know me a wee bit bettah..

You will soon be aware that..

I.. Kojo...

HATE EXCUSES!

Just ask any of my Associates..they wull soon let you know that.

Kojo.
yer pal..who likes ye, already.

syllawhowasmince 4:42PM

Agreed. The 2 worst culprits of this (their 1st touch being 10 feet in front of them) are Brown and Skippy - but the latter is our only natural finisher when given the opportunity, opportunities that we just dont create on a regular basis.

A striker is sometimes as good as the service that he receives - Look at Kris Boyd for example. Useless at everything else but he can put the ball away against SPL teams...as the huns create more chances than we do. Fact.

Crosas and N,Gumeo I think are the best central midfeild partnership we have at the moment IMO.Paul Caddis right back or right midfeild not central midfeild IMO

U2 1888

It never ceases to amuse me, when someone, such as you..

Fires off a Feeble One Liner..

And actually feels that he has made a cogent argument, in opposition, to another's point of view.

Well,all I can say is that you can perfectly fillet a hake and poach it "bain-marie", serve it with clams, a salsa-verde and a duet of seasonal julienne vegetables, or not.Me? I like haggis pies! Not being properly "seasoned" however will undermine either dish...et voila!

Which reminds me, I must buy more napkins.

Soorry about spelling it should be Field

Vargas Shampoo/RRC,

There was a programme on a few months ago about Hogmany programmes through the years, this one is of course the jewel in the crown.

Tom O'Connor, the host, recalled the singer Maggie Moone who was singing live, the camera only filmed her top half as down below there was a bloke, inebriated, lying between her legs looking up her rather short skirt throughout her performance.

---------------Zaluska---------------

-----Caldwell - Loovens - McManus----

----------------Crosas---------------

Caddis----------Robson----------Flood

----------------McCourt--------------

---------Mizuno-------Killen---------

The 'what the heck?' line-up for tomorrow. I fancy Aiden playing in the hole between the crowd and the manager, otherwise known as the dug-out.

FSTB/CQN Coupon

Fulham to beat Bolton for me.

So far its

BT - QPR
TTT - Gillingham
EN - Fulham

For tonight

Bochum, Stade Lavallois, and Le Harve.

TTT sent info on Bochum to beat Köln, Köln manager has fell out with players, striped captain of captaincy and star player Podolski suspeded. Bochum beat Hamburger away last week and are 5/4. Other two look good in French Ligue 2, 6/1 the lot.

goldstar

Yes, 'a bloke' - I was elsewhere.

ibleed...
Agreed. I thought we controlled the midfield much better than of late. One reservation - playing Robson wide right all but nullified any contribution he could make. Effectively we were two men for most of the game (Barry and MAF).

109- I believe you!

Kojo -Its hardly Crosas fault the players around him are mediocre.

Free with tomorrow's programme- unusual glasses to enhance your customer experience

Sorry,

Should read: Effectively we were two men down for most of the game (Barry and MAF).

up_over_goal

Is that the line up for our last reserve game?

Kojo,

"It never ceases to amuse me, when someone, such as you.."

I wasn't aware you knew me to make such an intro to your point.

You know as well as I do that we have previously exchanged views on Crosas in some depth and my view is that your judgement of him as a player and his value to Celtic is wide of the mark.

With so many other players wearing the Celtic shirt who couldn't lace his footballing boots or brain it leaves me curious as to why you are so blind to a footballer within our midst.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but when that opinion is put forth for public consumption don't be upset when opposing views question your judgement!

Kojo-bring-back-scott-brown-CSC

If Islam Feruz or his family comes in for a wee look at the blog today Id just like to say to him/them to have a Happy Eid,I believe it is one of the biggest dates in the Muslim calender much like our Christmas.

Happy Eid.

Bradford,

I'd like to echo that thought re wee Feruz and would add that he should concentrate on enjoying his game and not let all the meeja attention distract him from steady progress - in short -

" Keep The Eid!"

(Fez and coat oan)

Goldstar10

Classic!
LOL

Still no update on the process for video review referral from Duffield?

And I believe Andy Webster escaped such a referral despite a right hook to Barry Robson in full view of the ESPN cameras last Sunday.

Where oh where is that pesky procedure?!

Kojo, Point taken on Crosas perhaps doesnt make many tackles. I wouldnt say I was making any excuses for him though, simply saying that he has ability and we are not making the best of his ability.

Home from Musselburgh

Hope some of you made some money from my horses posted earlier

Couple of winners at 3's and 7's with the third one losing.

Had a couple of other decent winners as well at the course.

Oldtim..if you have made it home..enjoyed the day..

Git tae bed!!!!!!!!!!!!1

VargasShampoo

Check this out, first of 6 clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzVB5_h5qo

TNT

CHEERS FOR THE TIPS
HH

new article posted.

Seen big Johann Mjallby today. Brought back memories of what a Celtic defender was. SCOUT SCANDANIVIA AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PICK UP ANOTHER ONE OF HIS KIND. HOW WE NEED IT.

If it were possible and necessary to clone one current Celtic player 10 times to form an entire outfield team, which player would have the best overall skills to be that team?
I deliberately left the goalie out but who knows, a whole team of Artur Bs might be quite good if they didn't hand ball all the time.
Personally I don't know. But a whole team of Paddy Mccourts running at you might be scary though once they lost the ball they'd never get it back. Luckily Artur would make a great save and give it back to them.

Jeez I'm bored.

shimmies33 ... agree ... have always thought mcmanus was ahead of caldwell, caldwell is the one that must go ...when both are playing at their best, against quality opposition, caldwell will be the one who will not be able to step up defensively ... caldwell's defensive deficiencies (e.g besides the obvious blunders) are not obvious, they are hard to perceive, he hides, he is selfish, and he plays not to make mistakes, he doesn't seem to cover for his teammates, again because of selfishness or because he is too slow of foot and thought ... a perfect example of his retreating was an early game this year against st. johnstone ... jody morris jinks a few players, and caldwell is the last man between morris and goal, caldwell retreats with his hands up, the play is almost in the 6-yard box, it was such a feable attempt, unable to place a clean tackle, jody morris then pokes the ball into net ... and let's not talk about his transition to offense, which is suppose to be his strength?, he was the most improved player last year, his great improvement being that he reduced the amount of punting
in general, I hope we do no give up on mccourt, I didn't see the falkirk game, but my understanding is that the midfield were largely bypassed by the punters
our problem is not the midfield at the moment, but our lack of finishing and persistent leaks in central defense
I also believe n'guemo has to be more consistent, stronger physically (e.g the player playing that role) and better at reading the game, although that may come ... give me lennon (in his prime) type player

LAST link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0WMBYQL14U&feature=related