Celtic Triangle Masterplan set for City Council recommendation

Paul67

Given the political divide currently rife at GCC, Celtic should not be overly confident this will be passed through no matter how much sense it would appear to make.

Hail, hail

Last chance to get me a job gentlemen. They will make a decision at teh close of play today. Please feel free to comment, whether in agreement or otherwise.

Tam, if you're still lurking. Glad to have met you in Blackburn yesterday. I only wish it wasn't under such sad circumstances.

Just read the articels by David Coyle

top 5?

podium

Hmmm... that'll teach me to read the article then post!

Sounds good, something for the next generation of the Celtic family to enjoy and reinforce our famous history.

Interesting piece in Sunday times by Graham Spiers. This post from a Rangers fan raises a few thoughts especially about the behaviour of the Bank of Scotland over the last 15 years --

"another good article on this situation which has been left completely untouched with not one single piece of investigative journalism carried out by the popular press in this country, why? are they scared of losing favour?

the questions I want answered will then finally shut up the people who think a super hero with £30 million will solve this mess

the financial situation will become clearer next year when the, delayed, accounts from MIH are finally released. It has been hinted at in business reports that MIH could be 750 million in the red with assets of a lesser value than the debt. If this is true, Rangers are in trouble, big trouble.

the facts we have are that the club is in debt to the tune of £30 million or thereabouts to the bank. MIH propped up the share issue to the tune of £51 million. That is owed to MIH and the only way that wont happen is if MIH go into administration which would wipe out that debt from Rangers to MIH (unless the banks foreclose and all the threats in the world from the fans will not frighten them).

so we currently have a total debt of £81 million

now, the questions

who owns Murray Park and if it is not the club, how much is it worth to the owner?

who owns the Albion training ground (now car park)?

who owns Edminston House and offices attached to the stadium?

who runs the ticketing?

who runs the catering and how long is the contract for?

how much does Sir David want for his other shares in Rangers?

who, in their right mind, is going to invest £80 million plus on Rangers just to get us and then have to invest with no possible serious return for decades?

So the marvellous run to "9" and the elusive "10" was built not on "Murray's Millions" but on the Bank of Scotland's millions and the popular press dare not utter a whimper of complaint against their former ringmaster.

The financial mess at Rangers has yet to be fully admitted to and only then will be able to see who is most culpable".

Maybe as Celtic fans we should just hope the poodle media(which truly now includes the Herald) continue their biased and short term approach to Rangers as the "real dawn" will be even more cataclysmic.

As RST are threatening action against Lloyds, i think Celtic fans with money in Bank Of Scotland/Lloyds should be questioning how their money was used over recent times.

hail hail!!!

i hope minty doesnt hope to get his paws into that 'casino'!!!! on our doorstep!

I had just posted this on the end of the last article, just thought I would repeat here to say thanks...

I would also like to thank all the readers of Celtic Quick News who checked out my brothers new football website last week. We had a great response from CQN and hopefully some of you found the articles interesting or at least funny.

The more media outlets away from the old mainstream the better, means we don't have to wade through their agendas before finding the truth.

Quite a lot of new articles have posted to the site this morning!

http://footballsfootball.com/WeknowSFA/

TnT

I live in Warwick and its a tough track. Those in the know around horses here say if you can winhere you can win anywhere especially at Chelt. Might of gone today but I am attending a local march and protest about closing 8 fire stations around here. Thanks for you and TTTTs tips.

EN

It was worse as I added Ajax to the mix. By all accounts Genoa were lucky to get the draw. I stayed away from the Roma game today as I tend to avoid local derbys.

Good luck to everyone Hail Hail

Antsman, that’s not a concern I share.

Great news Paul but a few questions: What proposals are there to improve the social infrastructure for the people that actually live in the East End? Will they benefit directly from any of this? They were the intended recipients of Celtic's fortunes way back when Andrew Kerrins founded us. I hope the Celtic Triangle is a beacon of hope and practical assistance to the unemployed, the under educated and the new immigrant communities. But then I'm Robert Tressell and I would say that wouldn't I?

This will be fantastic. The benefits to Celtic and the East End aside I would dearly love to be looking over Dodgy Daves shoulder when he reads about this. Sweet schadenfraude...or is it indeed shameful joy to gloat over the downfall of an egomaniac?

Lionroared 10.36

A chance here for you to earn £20 for a charity of your choice.
a) Where did I say Celtic were brilliant yesterrday?
b) What stats did I have wrong? In the SPL, which is to what I was referring , which I thought was obvious by my comments on their 4 goals conceded, thay HAD only lost one and they HAD only conceded 4.
c) Where was I patronising?

JJ
Easilyoffended CSC !

Paul67

I can't understand why the Murray Superdome thing never got off the ground.

No doubt there were dark, sinister forces at work - a Celtic triangle, if you will, of bankers, journalists and UEFA bureaucrats, marching to the beat of Rod Stewart's kick drum.

This is timely news on the eve of Rangers' AGM. Permarage needles will be spiking all over the place on Monday!

Paul67

I am most surprised by this given the current dynamic at the City Chambers, unless Labour are three line whipped to support this by the Leader of the Council or there is heavy pressure form the SG on the SNP to support this.

Might change my name to Rod Stewarts Drum!!

Paul 67

This is an iteresting development. I saw the plans the first time they were rejected. As with most planning applications, i beliee the problems would be addressed and this will be passed. I this project funded by the club? More importantly, in what way will the club recieve a return on its money?

I guess the low crowds will see the end of constantly asking whether the south stand will be expanded...

Heres to some squad investment in January!

Rod Stewart on the box last night – the Celtic crest on his bands drum, getting interviewed wearing a Celtic trackie, showing his dressing room with a full first eleven Celtic team jerseys hanging on their pegs.

Gerald Butler today in one of the showbiz pieces says what he misses most about being a Hollywood Superstar is going to the Celtic games.

These guys and many more can’t wait to tell the world they are Celtic supporters – why? Because supporting Celtic is cool, Celtic are a cool club. There are some clubs that being a supporter of is just cool. Hibs for example are a wee bit cool.

You never even hear of a failed singing comic far less a “superstar” or “showbiz personality” admitting to supporting Rangers, and there will be one or two hiding. Why – Because Rangers are ugly. Their club is ugly, their tradition is ugly and their supporters are God awful ugly. This for me this is the main reason why they are struggling to find a buyer. Would you want to invest in or be associated with a product so ugly.

FLC

a phoenix ever rising from the east end of Glasgow...

may the 'triangle' forever cast a shadow over Ibrox.

Twisty:

Just been given Bubbly Bellini as nailed on (whatever that means!!) for the 2.00 Ling apparently its a syndicate horse?

Might be worth a glance

Che

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FourLeafClover....

Andy Cameron....?

001

I would like to know if Murray gets letters throught the door every day telling him he's overdrawn and charging him £30 a piece!

GSC

Optimus Solator in.... Orbis Terrarum est Non Satis.... 001

Andy Cameron is just a failed comic, he never got into singing.

FLC

FLC- What about Dougie Donnelly- oh wait, he is a Bully Wee man, isn't he?
Too ashamed to admit to being one of ra peepul.

Paul67

Good to hear these plans. Where would the new 'landmark' building be?

Given that the school is an existing building whats stopping us progressing the refurb of it? Shouldnt be many problems with planning permission.

EN

Paul

This weekend just keeps getting better:

1. Celtic Park yesterday

2. Listening to Chelsea lose on the drive home

3. Rod Srewart's drum

4. Tom English & Graham Spiers articles

5. The Celtic Triangle

Am I being greedy wishing The Bairns had won too?

SwanseaBhoy

goldstar10

Even Dougie is too ashamed... but we know he is one.... because he is ugly.

FLC

paul67

Most interesting article, well done. The area has been long neglected, and I'm glad about
intended improvement in transport links and the Old School could be turned into a major
asset.

HH

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FLC....

They think He is Funny....:O)

001

Hamilton all over Hearts in a game that looks to have one of the lowest crowds in SPL history. 1-0 13 minutes played.

By FourLeafClover on December 6, 2009 12:45 PM

HOw dare you...

i mean how can you call andy cameron, john smeaton, and the wee guy who won X factor...oh wait a minute.....i see it now...

beproudofyourteamCSC

Narrowboat

I have a membership for Warwick...must catch up at the races some day...

Che...Cheers...I'll try a few bob...

SwanseaBhoy

Don't forget Malcolm Tucker and his BBC 2 Thick of It affront on the Huns last night.

HH

I wish the main stand was redeveloped to mirror the rest of the stadium .I hate the way it makes the stadium look's under-developed.I guess it's the same at swincastle,easter road and a bunch of other stadiums up here. Thats my only gripe for today folks ;)

shakinglikeadogcrappingrazorbladesCSC

Paul:

"It is also infused with practical and deliverable ideas, while being completely void of speculative bouts of vanity, which hindered earlier stadium-vicinity redevelopment projects in Glasgow."

Brilliant,
as thinly veiled swipes go thats in a class of its own.

Geez Che

wish I had seen your post sooner...7/1 in to 7/2....still...happy with that price...cheers my mhan and gl.....

Rods Drum lets the people sing

http://s83.photobucket.com/albums/j294/thidarat2006/FebMar09/rodstewart1.jpg

Four leaf.

You missed the Ghod like Malcolm Tucker on In The Thick Of It last night.

He was talking about the Rangers Fans being a different kind of rampaging hooligan, able to perform bodily functions which would bring a tear to a glass eye .

Peter Capaldi plays Malcolm Tucker. Armando Ianucci writes the script but encourages ad libs from his cast where appropriate.

Both men are from the West of Scotland Italian community, and are extremely talented and creative, respected throughout the media and artistic community in the UK and beyond, following the sucess this year of the film version of the tv series, In the Loop, which co starred James Gandolfini, oscar winning actor and all round
Hollywood A lister.

Rangers , of course, have media big hitters in their support too. David Sneddon, for example, won the BBC talent Show Pop Stars in 2002.

I blame Catholic schools.

Fingers crossed
Im off to Lanzarote late his aft,
took a weeks annual leave to chill only to find that Mrs Che has booked a late deal to Teguise whilst I was out at the bookies yesterday, never even had an inkling it was on the radar!
Democracy is alive and well in the Independent Socialist Republic of Guevara,

I Had the temerity to ask if maybe we should have discussed it before booking, like we ever have before? she says.

I know my place

Paul

Will there be somewhere for fans to eat and drink on matchdays?

For years I've watched buses and carloads of fans arrive at the ground and we have nowhere to go.

A bar/restaurant type of place for these fans would generate income for the club as well as a safe environment.

I hope this triangle is nothing like that one they have in Edinburgh.

2-0 Hamilton, how on earth did that Hearts team knock us out the wee cup?

Blindlemonchitlin,

Peter Capaldi / Armando Ianucci now they are cool names.

Now if you were in a bar and had never met these guys and someone says " do you want to play Peter Capaldi at pool for a tenner" you would decline. He sounds too cool.

now if you were in the same bar and didn't know the guy but someone says "do you want to play Kirk Broadfoot for a tenner" you would say can you not make it twenty.

FLC

Estadio Nacional

That's why they call it awe fur coat and nae knickers.

In answer to your question - by dint of the fact that we were utter gash.

Che

stayed in the Teguise Golf some years ago..not sure if it's still there these days...nice resort though...enjoy

Is this "Auld (Celtic) Triangle" an exclusive by "Jingle Jangle" Jackson?

We will forever live in rangers' shadow.

We get a celtic triangle and they get promised an unprecedented quadruple. :-)

MurdochauldandHay: I've never been a great fan of his music, but that's not to say I'm not partial to it now and again. I watched him last night and can honestly say I'm warming to him more and more. Maybe its an age thing, but I'd rather Rod Stewart before Rage Against The Machine nowadays...

What I really like and have always admired about Rod is he has never ever hidden his love for our club, even it meant there was the slightest potential to hurt his sales to those of a less tolerant persuasion.

Estadio Nacional

Because it is a cup for wee teams usually. Or at least for the small minded.

Celtics masterplan

http://www.ads.org.uk/what_we_do/design_review/reports/641_celtic-park-masterplan

Cheers Che,

Got on at 4s with betfair.

fingers crossed :)

CFCnotPLC

Blindlemonchitlin

Dont forget the superstar Leon Jackson and the esteemed politician John Smeaton.

Hail Hail

Blindlemonchitlin

You can add the long forgotten Swet Swet Swet.

OH i truely feel for the good folk of seville.

On monday is the start of the cities two day celebration of La Inmaculada Concepción / Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

this festival is massive in Seville with a huge parade starting on the monday night.....

The religious intolerant orcs will be arriving monday and tuesday...

cue a deep deep breath

Dont know if this link will work but its a drawing of the Veldrome across the road from Celtic Park. Good to see they have a 'Celtic Way'

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B1okPiAKhlGcYTk4ZDNkZmItZDFkYy00YWI3LWIxZGUtZThjNTNlZDZkOTEx&hl=en

A cool Rangers fan would be one who had been water cannoned in Seville.

Aye and the Big Bearded 32 stone darts player that fluked the World Championships a few years ago. He was meant to do a lap of honour at Ibrox walked 10 yards and had to go back up the tunnel.

Now if that was Rod Stewart he would have done the lap of honour while keeping the ball up and drinking a glass of gin and tonic.

See guys - the difference. Rangers are just not cool and never will be.

FLC

Setting the Bears Free

A belter

FLC

The personification of the true values of Hundom- Michael Carroll

Farts down to 10 Lithuanians GIRUY !

I had a serious pont about the development, which I forgot.

It's to do with the Casino element.

Never mind the ' Glasgow City council are aLL TIMS, CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL' frenzy we'll get from the FF crowd, the, ahem, unbiased and objective mmeja we have here will hammer us over the napper with high minded and pricipled lectures about how casinos and gambling would have the founding fathers turning in their graves.

And they'll be right.

goldstar10

Yip, and they accepted an investment from that piece of trash and invited him for VIP visit to their old stadium.

So not cool

FLC

Paul67,

Who's paying for all this??

Nice to hear that Rod has been banging his "Drum" for the Celtic cause.

Welcome weekend house-guests from Dublin have curtailed Celtic/ CQN fix and it seems I've missed a great show on both counts.

For those that attended Paradise I'm glad you all had a rollicking good time.

Thanks to bigJie et al for posting the goals, good effort sir!

I'm hoping Celtic have begun turning that proverbial corner.

Thanks Celtic!
Thank-you Celtica!

HH

FourLeafClover

Andy Fordham by name, a pretty auspicious name for the huns that, A Fordham. Put in context, 'Rangers tried to secure the signing of Hamilton starlet James McArthur, himself a Rangers fan, but they couldn't A Fordham'.

Sky's Business Editor Jeff Randall can be added to the list of 'celebrity' Rangers fans. There's a wee irony in there of course.

SFTB

A Cool Rangers Fan!?

Step forward Mr Dave "God Save The" King, surely??

( Well everything he's got has been FROZEN!!!!)

Burruuum Tissssssssssssss!

What about the Hun poster boy Gordon the liar Ramsay?

A post about the Huns from the HB !!!!!! (Via Celticminded)

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Nae real source or linkage but it`s worth a wee giggle aboot anyway

Here`s hopin it`s troo

They're VERY close to closure. And there's feck all they can do about it this time.

Once they go we'll defo get in EPL as Sky wouldn't make anything from us just in SPL.

Watched the Happoel gemme with mate in Marquis in London. He knows the guy who is Lloyds Debt Book Manager - a mad Tim who used to drink in The Montrose. Apparently it is just a matter of time. Players WILL be sold in January.

The only way out seems to be for them (supporters) to buy a wee team and change them into a new name resembling Rangers. Maybe if their official name just now is 'Glasgow Rangers' they could get away with simply 'Rangers'.

Here's Spiers article:

"another good article on this situation which has been left completely untouched with not one single piece of investigative journalism carried out by the popular press in this country, why? are they scared of losing favour?

the questions I want answered will then finally shut up the people who think a super hero with £30 million will solve this mess

the financial situation will become clearer next year when the, delayed, accounts from MIH are finally released. It has been hinted at in business reports that MIH could be 750 million in the red with assets of a lesser value than the debt. If this is true, Rangers are in trouble, big trouble.

the facts we have are that the club is in debt to the tune of £30 million or thereabouts to the bank. MIH propped up the share issue to the tune of £51 million. That is owed to MIH and the only way that wont happen is if MIH go into administration which would wipe out that debt from Rangers to MIH (unless the banks foreclose and all the threats in the world from the fans will not frighten them).

so we currently have a total debt of £81 million

now, the questions

who owns Murray Park and if it is not the club, how much is it worth to the owner?

who owns the Albion training ground (now car park)?

who owns Edminston House and offices attached to the stadium?

who runs the ticketing?

who runs the catering and how long is the contract for?

how much does Sir David want for his other shares in Rangers?

who, in their right mind, is going to invest £80 million plus on Rangers just to get us and then have to invest with no possible serious return for decades?

So the marvellous run to "9" and the elusive "10" was built not on "Murray's Millions" but on the Bank of Scotland's millions and the popular press dare not utter a whimper of complaint against their former ringmaster.

The financial mess at Rangers has yet to be fully admitted to and only then will be able to see who is most culpable".

pablophanque

Chris 1888

CQN Nap = Royal Mackintosh 2.20pm

Rod Stewarts Drum - done.

Formerley Caldwells_Heid... He's away soon anyway!

R S D!

twisty

feeling somewhat fresher this morning i studied the fitba results from yesterday

with the results yesterday it was very difficult to get a GG line up ...quite a significant proportion of the games had a nil

better luck next week

I would prefer Celtic Trinity.

PF

If I had tried myself, Bristol City would have been my first choice!

Gerry Butler was in one of todays rags bleating about how much he misses watching the hoops and Elvis's grandson was in the brazen heid sampling some fine Timmish culture in yesterdays sun.

Need to go to airport..laterz..Hertz doon to 9 men!

Hearts folding as a team. 2-1 down at Hamilton, now down to nine men.

Pablo

Stop gettin me all excited,stop it;-)

I reckon mad vlads going to chuck it before the end of the season.
I wonder if the huns wannabe saviour and Florida zillionaire will be interested in purchasing the land ?

Also from CM

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/ne...125892837.html

Celtic have been warned they will lose loan star Landry N'Guemo for the Clydesdale Bank Premier League run-in unless they make his transfer permanent.

Cameroon midfielder N'Guemo joined the Hoops on a season-long loan from Nancy but the French club have revealed there is a deadline of April 30 for the SPL leaders to guarantee they have first option on the 24-year-old.

Nancy sporting director Nicolas Holveck said: "When Landry moved to Celtic on loan, we struck an agreement between the clubs over the fee for a permanent transfer. That option is in place until April 30. After that, he becomes our property and we can decide which club he plays for next season."

According to reports, N'Guemo would cost Celtic in the region of £1.5million.

pablophanque

afternoon guys, well how chuffed am I today. BTM seems to be adapting his system and managing his players. Our increased performances are an indicator of BTM beginning to improve things and adapt. Now, I know I criticised him on here, but if criticism leads to positive improvement then I am all for it. well done Tony.

great to hear the celtic triangle is finally going towards approval. to any doubters who think poilitics will stop this then think logically about what is happening. The area around celtic park HAS to be developed because of the commonwealth games and this area is the respoinsibility of Celtic FC, so the planners will have to approve it. The link that was posted earlier shows that the right people are involved and that celtic have had to get everything spot on prior to submission this friday. approval must surely be a formality now.

Paul67, is this being paid for as part of a general corporate property investment type scheme? or straight out of the clubs coffers?

exciting times, imagine matchdays when this development is finished? :-)

Interesting wee site about our strips over the years

pablophanque

BTW, that one from 1926 - 1927 is shoorly a jockey's jersey !!!???

pablophanque

pablophanque

I read that story about Landry with complete distain.If ever there was a non-story this is it.

So Celtic are completely in control of this situation for the best part of 5 months and yet we are "warned!" that he may be spirited away from us in the last few weeks of the season.As if it hasnt occured to anyone.

The real story.Celtic agreed a fee with Nancy before a ball was kicked within an acceptable timeframe.

The usual crap from a shower of hacks who are geting worse by the day.

To paraphrase Twat Guidi "the relationship with the Celtic fand and the press is over"

I assume this is the same story that was reported in the Mail on Sunday on 8th November.

'Byline: Ewing Grahame

CELTIC are set to cash in on the 2014 Commonwealth Games by improving the facilities in and around Parkhead, with potential benefits to include a speciallydesignated train station, a club museum and a casino.

The club has been holding discussions with Architecture and Design Scotland, the non-departmental public body funded by the Scottish Government, over outline proposals to redevelop the area around Celtic Park.

As a result, a document (which lists Celtic Football Club as 'client/developer') was drawn up in September and has been issued to Glasgow District Council for their consideration as part of their scheme to regenerate the east end of Glasgow in time for the Games.

'We welcome the fact that Celtic Football Club has engaged in an exercise to develop a masterplan and to integrate future development plans into the City's regeneration strategy,' it reads.

'In combination with the adjacent new National Indoor Sports Arena (NISA), this site has been identified in the East End Local Development Strategy (EELDS) as a key location for the area as well as for the 2014 Commonwealth Games, when Celtic Park will be the venue for the opening ceremony.

'It is clearly vital to create a successful stadium area with attractive public spaces in what is currently a particularly bleak area of the city.

'We welcome the commitment of the football club in producing a masterplan for considerable future investment, with the aim of making a greatly improved environment around this focal point for the east end of Glasgow.' Among the possible benefits to Celtic under discussion is the transformation of the listed London Road School building adjacent to the stadium which, it is hoped, will become a club museum and its 'front of house' building.

Construction of the National Indoor Sports Arena will reduce car and coach parking space at Parkhead but one possible solution being mooted is the reopening of the London Road rail line, with a station dedicated to the football stadium and the new venue.

More controversially, there is also the possibility of a casino being sited close to the stadium.

'While the hotel/casino may be an appropriate use for this gateway location, we are less than convinced that the built form, and the spaces outside this intended landmark, will be attractive,' the document reads.

'The form of this building needs to address the reintroduction of the street frontage on the corner of London Road, as well as the new plaza to its south and east.

'We suggest that further resolution is required, to make this area into a welcoming and distinctive place on both match days and all those in between.'

And I like this one from the Hampden In The Sun Bhoys and you can buy it too....................cool !

Oh Hampden In The Sun, Celtic 7, the huns 1 ;o)

Brilliant, tv showing Michael Stewart of Hearts after he got sent off, went to kick something in the tunnel in his anger and fell on his erse.

Bummer

EN...

Did you manage to get your ticket(s) for Motherwell?

If not, I can let you have 1 or 2 for the South stand.

Which has got me thinking....................

When did the buying of replica gear begin ? I remember my older brother getting some stuff in the early 70's and I wonder if any of the Auld-Hieds on here can remember getting anything football-related earlier than that ?

pablophanque

Gordon

Cheers, I was planning on going to the ticket office but if you have a spare that might be better, only if its no trouble?

EN

Mibees not the "early" 70's then !!! Hmmmmmmmmm?

pablophanque

Will it be like the big green triangle Quality Streets you can get?

EN...

Not a problem.

Can I email you via your blog?

If not perhaps you can pass on your contact details via Paul.

I can meet you outside Fir Park if that is convenient.

I hope you will not mind sitting beside Setting Free The Bears!

Are they mischievous little (billy) hacks getting worried now we've found some form ? Hmmmmm!

http://celticfanzone.net/1989/celts-hit-top-form-means-more-media-mischief/

A casino?

Nice to see the area renovated, but not sure such a development is consistent with the club's founding ethos...

Mind you, neither is a pub!

Is it not a sin if you partake in gambling ?

friedrichnietzscheCSC :)

TNT, thanks to you and TTTT (I think ?) for the heads-up about the ITCOTCK Box set. Just ordered it today (thumbsup)

:o)

pablophanque

2:50 PM

"More controversially, there is also the possibility of a casino being sited close to the stadium."

Since when was the inclusion of a casino considered controversial in relation to developing the area around a football stadium? Oh that's right, as soon as Celtic are involved.

"we are less than convinced that the built form, and the spaces outside this intended landmark, will be attractive,' the document reads."

More negativity highlighted by the journalist. Ewing Grahame is well known as a bitter wee hun lickspittle

pablophanque @ 3:02...

I had a replica Celtic strip in the early 60's.

Somewhere in the archives, I have a photograph of me in the full hoops kit playing among the Gorbals middens. My Dad always used to date photographs on the reverse and the date is June 1962.

Number 4 (for Paddy Crerand) on the shorts and of course those great hooped socks - bring them back I say!

Regards,

Germany
After yesterday's result and fan demonstrations VfB Stuttgart have sacked manager Markus Babbel. Christian Gross the former Spurs manager is favourite to replace him.

Celtic - but a bit different

HH

Great game and result yesterday - our best team performance for too long. I thought there was a renewed camaraderie among the players - especially McDonald and Samaras - which is encouraging.

When the good ship dignity fc passes through the Celtic Triangle will it disappear without a trace?

Anyhow, if we keep collecting 3 points then the Celtic Triangle makes sense.

Chris

kbb1418
If Stuttgart could play Rangers every week the manager would still be in a job

Apparently it was the Rangers game that cost Babbel his job. A spokesman said today, "Two goals at Ibrox wasn't enough to save Marcus. We expected to score at least four. Everyone else did."

Hail! Hail!

ItaliaBhoy on December 6, 2009 3:18 PM

You'll be calling for a ban on the CQN Racing Section next.:>)

Please!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWOS9ffvltQ

Hi Gordon, my timing of that question on here couldn't have been better and I'm glad that you are around as it was your opinion that I was looking for the most. You are after all THE most Celtic-minded mhan I know and well met mate ;o)))

Look forward to catching a game with you mibees next year some time ?

pablophanque

Ps, I was 2 months old at that time !!!

pablophanque 2:15 PM
Interesting article.

I gather that TFOD are due to receive the next slice of income from the sale of Hutton to Spurs BUT they have to pay the next installments for Davis, Mendes & the boogie man - all this in January timeframe.

The debt will grow further.

Gordon,

In the late fifties, I wanted A Celtic strip, but my folks thought that it was too dear.

The Hoops would have cost about £1, buy a plain shirt, about 15s.

I got a green shirt with red sleeves and my brother got an Aberdeen one.

On reflection, my parents were possibly thinking more of our safety than the money.

Gordon

My dad knew Crerand and his family well back then as he also came over from Gweedore to the Gorbals.

He told me that Crerand was called in to see Jimmy McGrory before a game as he was seen in the Granite City the night before a game.

My dad says Crerand was drinking soft drinks and just nipped in to see some pals for an hour.

He didn't play the following day and relations were a bit strained between club and player till he left.
If Crerand had stayed he would have been an all time great.

We used to have one of his match jerseys (that he paid the club for)but it got lost in a house move years ago.

Berwick Law wins by a mere 6 lengths....if only I'd gone in heavier...if only...if only....

pablophanque and Gordon

For Christmas Day 1955 my mammy had my four sisters scouring Glasgow for a Celtic strip. They couldn't find one, but as a last minute substitute I was bought the full Hibs kit!! All I could do was grin and wear it!
Strips were available then, but obviously difficult to come by.

Hail! Hail!

allgreenAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 3:42 PM

It was a sad day when Crerand left Celtic.

I was at his last game at Ibrox and in the first half, he was easily Celtic's best player.

Apparently, he and Sean Fallon had a half time bust up.

The good thing about his departure was the emergence of Bobby Murdoch.

As was posted here recently, Bobby had everything that Paddy had, plus a lot more.

If Crerand had stayed at Celtic, we would possibly have been deprived of Murdoch.

I'm just glad to have witnessed both of these lads in a Celtic team.

is this guy on trial with us?

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=XlhWPmsYjUI&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DXlhWPmsYjUI

Breaking News from The Auld Scientist page in the National Enquirer.

The area between Edmiston Drive, Broomloan Rd, Woodville St
and Copland Rd is being renamed

The Bermudox Quadrangle.

Whilst everyone now accepts that pound notes entering it are never seen again, it has also been observed that any person entering the quadrangle regresses in time to 1690.

However latest temporal surveys suggest that the process is speeding up. Paddy Power is taking bets that by next April neanderthals will be spotted boarding hairy mammoths at what was Copland Rd Underground Station on their way back from their weekend ritual gathering.

Hopes for saving the area and its occupants are being pinned on tracking down a recluse known as H G Wells using an hour glass and a compass.

The fact that Wells can be found perpetually invading the field of play at the end of a game in The Stadium of Light in Lisbon in May 1967 and is therefore unlikely to have any time for them should not be revealed, lest it deter them.

Mac1888

Lisbon gets better every time I view it

We wish our current vision and passing were that good

Few pitch invasions that day ;o)

thomthetim

Here is a question for yourself, Gordon, Oldtim and anyone else who can come up with an answer; did Pat Crerand and Bobby Murdoch ever actually play together for Celtic?

Gordon:
Loved the hooped socks you mention. I also really loved the baggy nets they had in the 60's. the way they bulged when the ball went in. I think they didn't want to use tight nets for fear that Tommy Gemmel would burst them!!! Bring back the baggy nets I say.

Paul

Love it - "while being completely void of speculative bouts of vanity, which hindered earlier stadium-vicinity redevelopment projects in Glasgow."

Kick them when they're down.

Celtic Mac
Bobby Murdoch made his first team debut in August 1962. Paddy Crerand left Celtic during February 1963 so there's a good chance they did play together, but I don't recall seeing them in the same team - too far back

pablophanque/thomthethim/allgreen/CD...

I am sure that Roberts Stores in Argyle Street was the place to go to buy the sacred hoops.

Paddy Crerand used to live in Crown Street in the Gorbals, just up the road from me.

Our boys guild, St Luke's, used to hold an annual competetion, The Pat Crerand trophy in his honour.

That 4-0 gubbing on a frozen Ibrox pitch at New Year '63 was his last in the hoops.

PS Pablo... it would be good to meet up.

Just made a wee filum fur ma Bhoy. I used a head shot picture I've got of him and the way they work it in to this "thing" is brilyunt !!!

Give it a go !

pablophanque

Mr Pablo Fanques

I sent you mail. Can you check if you wish more and can recieve them (big capacity) ?

Both Pat Crerand and Bobby Murdoch played in the match at Ibrox on 1st January 1963 when the Bhoys lost 4-0.
They had also played three days previously at Celtic Park in a 2-1 win over Falkirk. I counted 10 times that they played together in league games in 1962-3.
(The Celtic Football Companion-1986 by David Docherty)

Celtic Mac
I remember that Bobby originally played the old 'inside right' position while Paddy was 'right half'. There's every possibility that the did play together - one for the internet I think.

Gordon,

I got my first set of hoops in Roberts, many years ago now.

In those days they weren't truly replica strips - they didn't have club badges. You just bought a red top or a blue top or whatever. Of course the hoops could only be Celtic.

Sometime later (mid - late 70s?) they started selling club crests which you had to persuade your mum to sew on!

Bobby Evans Superstar @ 4:07...

Bobby & Pat both played and scored in the Glasgow Cup replay at Celtic Park in November 1962.

We won 3-2 (the first game at Ibrox was drawn 2-2).

It was played during the afternoon on a very foggy day.

Someone asked on here a few months ago why the game was played in the afternoon and I cannot recall the reason.

Celtic Socks

HH

Expert financial analysis from the Sky commentary team.

Martin Tyler: 'Everton were in the news this week as they revealed losses of £6.7m for the last financial year'

Andy Gray: 'That's not bad is it? You hear so much about these clubs that have hundreds of millions in losses'

Martin Tyler: 'It's losses and debts, and I think there's a difference'

Andy Gray: 'Mmm, aye'

Gordon
If I recall correctly - Paddy Crerand spoke out after the 4-0 game and that's what turned the board against him and had him shipped out. He didn't want to go, but had no choice. He wore his heart on his sleeve.

Mr Z, worked a treat mate. Cheers (thumbsup)

:o)

pablophanque

Bloke_109
I think I've missed the point on TFOD's debts - not really debt's, just losses. Not so bad then.

Bloke

Andy really should consult BFDJ on the analytical financial side, Orc expertise

HH

The better half is calling. Got to go.

KTF

Mr Pablo Punk

Recieve them constantly. About 10 another will come soon.

Any boo-bhoys around today?
McGeady must be sold?
Mowbray must go now?
Samaras is never a footballer?
Crosas should never start?
Etc Etc Etc Etc Etc

Gordon_J...

Roberts stores was the place, then Lumleys and the Sportsman's Emporium.

I think it was teh 77/78 season when we strated wearing the club crest.

bournesouprecipe...

thanks for that, I love those old socks!

Bobby Evans Superstar...

I think that Paddy had an argument with Sean Fallon -at half time -in that 4-0 defeat at Ibrox.

seanbhoy69,

Don't stir! I'm enjoying the sudden outbreak of a feel good factor.

Oh, and Boyd is a better goalscorer than Larsson too?

i got a celtic strip in about 60/62 - it came in a cardboard box with a cellophane front. It was from Umbro and came with shirts and socks. i think they only produced them for boys and youths.
Roberts was the place to get Scout uniforms and badges for your school uniform (Holyrood).

awanderdownmemorylaneCSC

Gordon 3:11 PM

Sorry about the delay, was offline.

Sounds ideal, cheers, should be ok to send a message via blue spanner, once I get it I will delete.

EN

Gordon J
I just get fed up with the so called supporters of our club not looking at the bigger picture mate.
We were absolutely fantastic yesterday. Total football. A joy to watch.

vancelticbhoy - Of course it was mate .But I think we should be striving to emulate that kind of football now and in the future and not dwell like the English do in past achievments too much. I just think the board try to milk our past successes as a way fleecing us more .Saying that I did and do still love the Lisbon Lions 40th anniversary home top lol Cant stand the V- Neck home top we wear now ,think I've worn it once! . I know times have changed and football has changed since then ,but I always want Celtic to strive to they dizzy heights again in my lifetime. The EUFA cup final was the closest I've come to watching Celtic achieving a smimilar feat.I'm greedy and want us to actually win it or the European Cup soon :) Its ok to dream innit ? ;)

The Narrowbhoat Tim 12:39 PM

Busted already, typical, noticed theres been at least five draws in Serie A quite a few weeks this season and remembered to bet five draws this week.

There was only one draw and that was in a game I went for Genoa to win.

EN

Mr Z- I don't know if you've heard this but there is a film coming out next year on the Kinks; in particular on the often corrosive relationship between the Davies' brothers.

As they say you need a bit of grit to make pearls.

Anyways, I saw the Celtic Triangle Masterplan a few years back in the ooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllle Burns Howff.

What a complete waste of time and money that was.

Seanbhoy69
i would put myself in the happy clapper camp if any - but just as a couple of poor performances doesnt make us a poor team - a couple of wins doesnt make us a great one. having said that yesterdays performance was exceptional - we played with patience at first but when we got the upper hand we pressed home our advantage. I was especially pleased with our speed of play and final ball.

glasshalffulltodayCSC

Celtic Mac.

Crerand played right half.and murdoch played inside left,on September 8th 1962 against Rangers and we were gubbed 0-1.

Crerand,and Murdoch played in many games in the same team.

Mr Zeeeeeeeeee Muchos grasiarse *mwaaahhhh*

Right, that's the Auld yin oan........... Time fur this berr to head ;o)))

pablophanque

where the hell is donegal danny

im surprised he hasnt been on here telling us all that we are doomed

hail hail

biddulph bhoy
agreed but those who were calling for the manager to be sacked after 7 or 8 games should hang their heads in shame.
There are no guarantees however the manager must be given time and resources.
It was an excellent team performance yesterday.

Everton and Spurs heating up.

Apologies for not replying to guys last night a bit of tech problems on the cubs laptop.

Ant techies out there help me. Im trying to watch Rod Stewart on the STV player but it is really badly buffering anything I can do?..Ive stuck with it for a while but he is now sitting with his missus now and I would rather watch that real time.

seanbhoy69

I am here.
I was one of the "sack Mowbray now" ones.

After the Dun Utd game I wanted the whole lot of them ran out of Dodge, Man

However, while still not convinced, I am cooler now.

I get ratty when we lose like that.
:-))

Gordon

You're welcome The reprise was nice too

HH

seanbhoy69

yeah seanbhoy I'll be a boobhoy. imagine how well we'd play with a better manager who utilised resources better...

That said Hail Hail

RRC
We all get frustrated, angry, hurt, upset etc after performances like the last 10 minutes at tannadice and the game at falkirk however the manager has to be given time and resources and then judge him.
Im not saying TM will be the saviour but just give him a chance.

hoops1990
you are as well off going to mordor mate. Utter rubbish!!!

Dontbrattbackinanger

I read about their family and relations between two brothers. Never heard about the film. Will find it for sure.
I knew The Kinks before but from The Greatest Hits. Somebody who release those should spend the rest of his life in a jail. Now I can’t imagine “The Greatest Hits” of The Kinks. Can you imagine same CD of Led Zeppelin or The Beatles?
I have about 350 CD’s. 80 percent of them are from late 60ties or 70ties. I was a baby then. New music is rubbish. I have no time for searching for something good. My new choices are World music and Jazz.
By the way. Yesterday I bought DVD pack with Led Zep. Never thought it was that great. Four best musicians have met in one place in the same time. DVD records are better CD recordings.

greenlion2 - Go to Microsoft's website and find the right registry cleaner for the operating system you using( all free downloads)failing that download a free registry repair from download.com ,or you could try a system clean up or defrag on all programmes (desktop). was a guy on last night wondering why he couldnt use flashplayer on youtube ,if your lurking uninstall Norton lol

Roberttressell, better housing and roads is a start. The area will take a long time to fully recover but the right infrastructure is a good start.

up_over_goal, timely indeed.

Dobbo, I expect hotel developments to be funded by hoteliers but things like club cafes and the museum will be funded by Celtic.

Estadio Nacional, both questions covered in the article above.

SwanseaBhoy, .... and then the Accies win!

Bournesouprecipe, agree, long overdue development in the area.

Che, just setting the tone for their AGM tomorrow.

Allgreen, perhaps there will be somewhere to eat and drink in those restaurants, cafes and bars?

mountain_bhoy, Gerry, see above answer. Don’t expect this to be a cash negative venture for Celtic.

SadiesBhoy, sound advice.

I once had cod fillet with a herb crust served with cheese sauce in the ol' Burns Howff.

What a complete waste of thyme and mornay that was.

Paul67
I heard there was a board meeting at ipox today ahead of the agm tomorrow and it was expected to be very frosty!!!

seanbhoy
what was your favourite moment from the game yesterday?
mines was n'guemos run when he hit the post and the whole stadium stood up to give him a standing ovation.when we as a support really get behind the team every team in this league will be scared to play us.

ibleedgreenandwhite on December 6, 2009 4:37 PM

where the hell is donegal danny

im surprised he hasnt been on here telling us all that we are doomed

hail hail

To be fair. DD generally only posts during office hours, or is it school hours.:>)

On Bobby Murdoch.

Bobby was only an average inside forward. I think it was because the inside forward played a lot with his back to goal.

When he stepped back to right half, he had the game in front of him, where he could use his majestic stride and vision to dominate a game.

A true great and a lovely man.

Mac1888 thanks for that but now in English.....lol...cheers i'll try that. Honestly I like listening to what his wife has to say.....Honest

Yesterday was much much better and more like the type of display that we should expect week in and week out
The pass that Crosas played to Hinkel was excellent and the type of pass that WGS would not have tolerated since it was a rsik in the sense that a square pass would have been more likely to retain possession !
I remember Donatti getting pelters from WGS in a cup tie against a ower league team for trying something similiar and we all know that if you didn't play the way WGS wanted you didn't play !

So well done TM and the lads !

However lets be honest as well - we need to see such performances on a regular basis until the league has been won before we go overboard
The sending off also helped but at least we showed real appetite for the game
We need to see that when we play away from CP as well !

paul67

I'm reliably informed this was at Celtic Park as part of The Auld Triangle

Hail Hail

p.s. maybe some of the more senior CQN'rs will have more information

Celtic Mac.

Crerand played right half.and murdoch played inside left,on September 8th 1962 against Rangers and we were gubbed 0-1.

Crerand,and Murdoch played in many games in the same team.

seanbhoy69

I know, Bud.
3 wins in a row goes a long way to easing the pain.

greenlion2 - Just finished my 6th stella (hair of the dog) I'll soon be posting in swahili lol

celikbhoy87
there were so many fovourite moments yesterday mate.
The N`Guemo run. McDonald pass to McGeady. Crosas` pass for the opener. Fox run and shot. Robson flick. Sammi from start to finish. The clean sheet. The atmosphere. And just generally being a TIM!!!!

Sorry Ghuys and Ghirls, but the following is just too much fun not to repost. First up, The Herald, with an indepth interview with Rangers' 'only show in town'. I give you Graham Duffy;

Would-be saviour of Rangers answers the big questions

Simon Bain

Published The Herald on 4 Dec 2009

Graham Duffy is the US-based property investor who is offering to lead a fan-based buy-out of Rangers Football Club.

In 2001, The Herald revealed how Duffy and his family were bankrupted and evicted from their home after being sequestrated by the Clydesdale Bank.

Eight years on, in an exclusive interview with Simon Bain, Duffy answers the questions surrounding his mysterious business empire.

Q. Fans are asking ‘where have you made your money’, and why they can’t find any information on the internet about your Bahamas company or your major developments.

A. Just as it was a very public affair when I initially lost my wealth, it is now becoming a public affair as to how I regained it.

I was aware that there was a severe financial correction on the horizon in 2006 and at that time decided to move my personal and professional interests, divest of property and leave the UK.

I strategically moved my business affairs to the Bahamas to legally permit global trading. Bahamian law protects the interests of shareholders and directors and this information is not for public consumption.

I appreciate that there are certain projects on the Grantly website that no longer exist and are no longer being pursued. The website has not yet been updated as the company is at this time being re-branded by a firm in Dallas.

My involvement in business is diversified, investing in alternate health, innovative product manufacturing, property, art, as well as other business opportunities – all the eggs are not in one basket.

Q. What is your Bahamas empire Grantly International Property (Holdings) Limited involved in, what is the current market valuation of these projects, and to what extent has your portfolio escaped the downturn?

A. Grantly has prospered significantly since it was relocated and has been active in European and US markets. Last year we offered $50m cash to purchase unissued stock in a company that was midway through a resort development in Central Florida, on top of replacing a further $130m of their expensive debt. We own substantial beachfront property in the Bahamas next to the Westin, which is debt-free and unencumbered, with a development value of more than $1bn. We suspended this development due to the current climate, with the luxury of no financial indebtedness.

We do intend revisiting these proposals over the next 12 months, although we have decided to redesign the development in entirety. This is only one of a number of Bahamian developments we have. We have completed the contract to purchase a 4,000-acre ski resort in Clysburg, Pennsylvania, which has been voted the number one resort on the US eastern seaboard for four years in a row. Again this is a significant development and, when complete, will have in excess of $1bn of value. We have acquired the shareholding of a significant property company in Iowa and are currently working on trebling the portfolio from 500 units to 1,500 units, as well as developing its

commercial portfolio.

Grantly is in the process of completing the acquisition of 20 residential sites in the UK to add to its property portfolio, which is valued at more than £100m, and we have a retail project about to complete in Berlin this month, with a value of £50m.

Too many companies and individuals over-extended themselves, and it was inevitable there would be a devastating correction. The very public litigation between my then partner, myself and the Clydesdale Bank, taught me the greatest lesson ever: be cautious and be prudent. I can honestly state that Grantly has been pretty immune from the recession due to the fact that our companies are all debt free and have retained their assets.

Q. What other interests do you have, how much are they worth and in what areas are you currently looking?

A. Due to the current financial crisis it became evident the property markets would take a significant time to readjust. In the intervening period, I was fortunate enough to be associated with a number of innovative entrepreneurs, which led us down a path into manufacturing.

We subsequently formed Global Hybrid Roofing Solutions, spent 14 months acquiring the intellectual property rights for its environmental roofing products, and invested millions of dollars incorporating and branding the company. We were offered $45m cash in New York a few months ago in return for a small equity stake in the company, pretty impressive for a company less than nine months old at the time – but we turned the offer down.

Since then we have enticed some of the best chemists in the world into our material supply division. We also moved into renewable energy and were in the market to purchase a windfarm recently acquired by Guy Hands of Terra Firma for $400m. We are in the process of constructing our own wind farm for $ 20m. Again this was down to caution and prudence. I personally completed a transaction to buy Iolife, an alternative health company based in Copenhagen.

Q. How have you funded growth, what sort of structures have you used, and do you have debt or equity backers?

A. All Grantly and Global Hybrid companies are debt- free, solely funded by the shareholders. We have had approaches by hedge funds to invest in many of our opportunities but we have stayed the course on our plans and model. We appreciate we will have to bring in joint venture partners as some of our

proposals come on line.

I entered into a “participation debenture investment” with a US-based merchant bank, and at the last minute it collapsed due to the markets. I personally lost $700m, but I still retained 100% debt free ownership of the company, which has been secured by caution and prudence.

Q. The Grantly website lists around a dozen UK companies. Many of them are, apparently, overdue for Companies House filing and one, Grantly Commercial, is said to be owing money to HMRC so unable to be struck off for non-filing. There is also a proposal to strike off Grantly Developments (Scotland). One businessman sums up the public information as a “string of insolvencies, dissolutions and breaches of the Companies Act in the Grantly Group” and says this makes it difficult for fans to trust you. Any comment?

A. Anything with a resemblance of being associated to me is being put under the microscope.

Some of the companies I dissolved as they were special purpose vehicles that did not proceed, in some of them I sold the entire shareholding and have had no involvement for years.

Yes, a couple are late with some information, however this responsibility was passed to other directors and officers of the company.

As far as I am concerned this kind of interest is more “mischievous” than the intentions of exiled Florida millionaires.

Following which scoop, Tom English in today's Scotland on Sunday;

Tom English: 'We've got money, truckloads of it, but we won't be investing, no'

Published Date: 06 December 2009
WE ARE joined today by a man who wishes to remain anonymous, but certain things about him we can reveal. He's a Govan man, a lifelong Rangers fan who emigrated to South America at the age of 21, who arrived in Venezuela with barely a backside in his trousers and a couple of quid in his pocket. He slept rough on the streets of San Cristobal for six months, protected from the winter rains by nothing more than a Rangers beach towel and a T-shirt with a picture of Jim Baxter on the front.
The locals found him curious. Who are these Rangers? they asked. Are
they big like Estrella Roja and Real Espor? Not as big as FC Venezolano, surely? Bigger, you say?

He moved to the capital city inside a year and started flogging things down the
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market. He got into leather goods and wood products and rubber and cement. An empire was created. There is no telling what his personal wealth is, but it's estimated by the Venezuelan Rich List as quite a lot. He looks a bit like that Neil Oliver bloke off the telly, only a little scarier, but don't be fooled by his appearance. He is here today to announce his interest in investing in Rangers in their time of trouble. Good Teddy Bears, we give you the billionaire Latino-Glaswegian we can only refer to as Tommy Caracas.

"Tommy, you're not doing this for personal gain, isn't that right?"

"Aye, true. I cannae stand to see Rangers like this. We're launching a takeover, myself and others and, of course, the fans. It's all for the fans."

"Yourself and others. Care to expand?"

"Och, no. That's a secret."

"But you've spoken to Lloyds Bank?"

"No."

"Sir David Murray?"

"Who?"

"Alastair Johnston?"

"We've spoken to a reporter or two. That's about it just now."

"You've got money to invest, though?"

"We've got money, truckloads of it, but we won't be investing, no."

"What, nothing?"

"We'll underwrite things. We'll take a few of these new membership things. I've already invested in Rangers. A right few bob, but I'm not prepared to tell you how much. Mostly we'll develop the brand, we'll exploit the global magnificence of Rangers Football Club and restore it to greatness. Aye, there's all sorts that can be done. As soon as we get 45,000 punters coughing up a grand apiece we'll be laughing. The bank will be off our case, the supporters will have the club they deserve and we'll be simply the best forever more."

"So the money raised from the fans will go to paying off the debt?"

"You're getting technical now."

"Well, explain how it's going to be?"

"It's gonna be great."

"What about the detail, though?"

"I want what's best for Rangers. Isn't that enough to be getting on with? I have a group of men behind me. We have minor disagreements on some issues, but we're progressing things. We have a road map."

"Disagreements? Already?"

"Aye, nothing major. The boys would go public, only they don't want to. I'm only speaking now because, well, you asked me to. This is not about the glorification of Tommy Caracas. This is about Rangers. I mean, just as soon as I save Rangers I'm happy to slip away quietly into the background. The wife says I should be given a standing ovation at Ibrox and maybe a statue and perhaps a stand named after me, but that's for other people to decide. I've no say in that."

"What about funds for the manager for new players."

"Aye."

"Will there be any?"

"Look, we're stinking rich, but the plan is not an open chequebook. We'll have to look at what's available. But I said before, we need to do something about our youth development. I mean, look at Barcelona."

"What about them?"

"They go over to Argentina, find a 13-year-old off the street, bring him back to Spain and turn him into Lionel Messi. Why can't we do that?"

"How much did Barcelona spend in turning Messi into a superstar?"

"Dunno."

"Housing him, feeding him, flying his family over to Barcelona, flying him home, educating him, nurturing him. How much?"

"You have me there."

"More than Rangers can afford."

"Aye, maybe. But it's just an illustration of what I'm saying. We need blue-sky thinking. We're a global brand and we need to act as such. There's a big world out there and there must be a trillion Rangers fans, at least. We have to tap into that."

"But you're not intending to put in, say, £20 million of your own money, like Dave King did? Just to get the ball rolling, just to show that you mean business and that you're not the chancer some people think you are."

"I'm not sure I know of anyone who keeps that kind of cash in the bank. It's all tied up, you know what I mean? I have interests all over the gaffe."

"You have businesses all over Venezuela?"

"Aye. I have a cement company in Carabobo that employs 15,000 people. I have a leather factory in Bolivar that's banging out quality gear. I own a wooden mill in Puerto La Cruz that's just massive. It turned over £300m last year alone. I was evicted from my home in Caracas a few years ago. I was out the game, big man. But look at me now!"

"There's some debate about a few of your companies, though."

"Oh aye, here we go. The negativity is coming now."

"Some of them have been liquidated, have they not?"

"Typical Scottish attitude. Hammer the success story. I hate cynicism."

"A few companies in your empire have failed to file tax returns, is that not true?"

"Look, there are certain firms in my portfolio that don't exist any longer, aye. We haven't taken them off our website yet. I'm into all sorts of things. It's hard to keep it all up to date sometimes. We're recession proof, us."

"But what about the string of insolvencies, dissolutions and breaches of the Companies Act. How can the fans trust you're bona fide?"

"Not my fault, I'm telling you. It's mischievous gossip, that's all. Responsibility for filing tax returns was passed to other directors. I can't say anymore."

"So what happens now?"

"We'll press on with putting the plan together."

"Thank you, Mr Caracas."

"Cheers, pal. Gonnae drop me a G-note to kick things off."

"No."

Glen Gibbons

FOR all Scottish football's present ills, a phenomenon was witnessed in midweek which would have all but one or two of England's Premier League clubs – the exceptions would be Manchester United and, possibly, Liverpool – looking north with envy.

It occurred at Celtic Park, where 35,010 watched Tony Mowbray's harassed side play Hapoel Tel-Aviv in the penultimate match of their Europa League Group C series. Curiously, the crowd was viewed by most observers in this country as a certain sign of dwindling interest among Parkhead fans.

Compared to the 60,000 capacity turn-outs for Champions League matches in recent years, the diminishing numbers are undeniable. But it is those earlier figures that are freakish, produced as they have been by a club in one of Europe's smallest countries from a city with a population of 620,000. In similar circumstances to those faced by Celtic on Wednesday – a dead rubber against largely unappealing opponents – the biggest clubs in Italy would have struggled to reach five figures.

A poor Celtic team made the second-biggest crowd in Europe.

RRC
Too right it does mate. I really enjoyed seeing the the celebrations of the players when we scored. The 10 outfield players all congratulated each other and the goalscorer. It showed a togetherness and the fans really got behind the team. Long may it continue!!

Gordon

I can't remember why the November '62 game was played in the afternoon either, but I do recall that the police, at that time, were never keen on Celtic v Rangers games being played at night.

Hail! Hail!

greenlion2 - I told the wife a love our dog more than a love her when a got in this morning . She's been surprisingly quiet all day (cream puff) lol

seanbhoy69 on December 6, 2009 5:03 PM

And Caldwell's three 50yard raking passes, all delivered with precision.

We used to get the train from High Possil to Parkhead.

In the winter, pre floodlights, there was often a fog that descended around 4.30pm, on frosty evenings.

The football special train would sit at the station, waiting for it's passengers and would be billowing out smoke.

This smoke, mixing with the gathering smog would slowly creep onto the pitch from the side of the Jungle at the Celtic end.

This resulted in a race against the clock for the game not to be abandoned.

Exciting times!!

Awe Naw -

Excellent! Always been a glass half full man myself.

Only downside at the moment is I now think it pertty certain the stadium capacity will ever be increased, bringing the main stand up to the level of the others.

AT least we have a big enough stadium to have 25,000 empty seats. Wouldn't surprise me if Rangers fans argued they are better supported because they'd only have had 15,000 empty seats for the same game...

It's been a great weekend.

Jobo

seanbhoy
yes it was a good place to spend a saturday afternoon yesterday.you could see Sammi and marc's confidence grow as the game went on yesterday.both young players who we havent found out how good they can be.also Aiden's commitment and skill is a joy.
finally glad TM has stopped giving the press his rentaquote moments after games.

Kate O Mara was in Triangle

What a waste of the licence fee that was

But the Loveley Kate wasnt:0

thomthetim
If that had been Gerrard or Lampard that had made those passes the press would be raving about them. Personally I thought Caldwell was excellent yesterday too.

celikbhoy87 - Exactly, all young players with bags of potential.

davieweirCSC

celikbhoy87
keep Sammi fit and get him on the ball and I honestly feel he will be awesome this season. The vision of Crosas is excellent. I have never doubted Aiden McGeady. Watching him in full flow is magic.

0-2 Spurs, good to see a defender fail in his attempt to hold the goal scorer back.

I wonder if all those `supporters` who wanted Martinez and Moyes still feel the same?

Mac188 and sean
we need to give these guys every encouragement especially when they try something a bit different or difficult and it doesnt come off.
on Aiden when he blocked a clearence from Mulgrew yesterday then kept the ball in followed by a trick then Mulgrew had rash challenge resulting in a booking was priceless.also meant Mulgrew could no longer foul Aiden.all because of Aiden's commitment.

GordonJ :- Your memory is correct, Celtic started wearing the club crest on their shirts in 1977, the crest was worn in the center of the shirt.

seanbhoy69 - I cant see a manager younger than Davie Weir commanding much respect in the dressing room ,(no matter what nationality) FFS he played for Murderwell lol , and I've never been impressed with Moyes ,even though he looks like Murphy from Robocop :) we played badly against Arsenal but his team got hammered the week or weekend after our game by them .

celikbhoy87
Its a confidence thing.
I agree that we should give them all the encouragement that we can.
Yes they will make mistakes but lets not get on their backs when they do.
We all just want to see Celtic win and if we can do it with style and panache it makes it so much better. There is nothing better than watching Celtic `putting on the style`.

seanbhoy69

The number of posts since yesterday's game expressing similar thoughts as yours there is great to here, Man.

There have been a few lows, let's enjoy the highs when we get them, eh?

BiddulphBhoy :- I got my first Rangers strip around the same time, as you say you got the complete strip (in my case blue jersey with white V neck, white shorts, black and red topped socks. Later strips tended to be just the top, with the shirt and socks (and as GordonJ pointed out the badge) having to be bought separately
As a matter of interest, can anyone say when adult replica tops first came out?

Mac1888 at 5:11 its when you tell her you love EDs team more than her she should start to worry

RRC
Agreed mate.
I honestly feel there is a lot more to come from Celtic this season. Well I hope and pray that will be the case.

Spurs seem to have responded well after the footballing lesson we gave them back in the glory days of the Wembley Cup.

Seven of their starting eleven today played in our reserves 2-0 win.

Paul 67

Any venture which will make Celticoney in the long term is a venture well worth pursuing. Hopefully, it will be profitable.

Seanbhoy69

Agreed a thoroughly good performance yesterday, although the sight of Aberdeen playing a high-line against us in the first half was a bit worrying, as firstly, they must think we are so slow up front, and secondly we appeared confused for most of the first half as to what to do about it.

The goal exploited the Dons formation weakness and the half-time cuppa, team talk (plus the Dons got tired very quickly chasing us around) resulted in a much better second half.

N;guemo man of the match by the length of the newly developed London Road, he needs to be signed now, his breaking up of the play and surging runs in the second half knackered up the Dons pre-game tactics.

Thw only obvious downside from yesterday is that Sammi and Skippy are truely useless at closing the opposition down and take up stupid positions when they do not have the ball, N'guemo more often than not was telling them were to stand etc..skippy's ball control was once again yesterday hopeless

A true reflection would have been a 5-0 doing, still mustn't grumble.....we do need to find a better way to deal with high balls in to the box on tight away pitches....possibly greater pressure on the man on the ball would be a start.....at least BTM has worked out that if Robbo plays he needs to be wide out the way of the main engine room.

Main thought leaving the game yesterday, would you put Broony vack in the starting 11 or would you take the money.........at the moment I would take the money

WGS, Celticserioph, Arcytic, Mr Z

Any transfer tattle? Where is Len Brennan!

EKBhoy
Take the money!!
5-0? More like 9 or 10 mate.

greenlion2 - More chance of that than the huns winning the league this season ;)

SeanBhoy69 :- I hope you enjoy watching the celebrations while you can. (though not too often lol) It's starting to look like if the idiots at the SFA get their way celebrating a goal will be a hanging offence.

should have read,more chance of the huns winning the league than me becoming one lol

timetogetheteaonandsobberupcsc....maybe ;)

Mac1888 :- I'll remind you to tell her that at the end of the season then :-)

Ed,
with rspect if you are talking about boyd's booking yesterday a female Falkirk caller who was at the game said he had made gestures to the Falkirk fans that rhymes with tanker.

3 wins in a row since the Collider got back up and running.

Co-incidence?

All those years people have wondered what exactly Peter was pointing at.

It's clear now it was in fact the Higgs boson.

'Over there Malky' he was saying' behind Willie Falconer's left ear is an elusive particle that's been to elusion classes in elusivity'

Paul67
Interesting proposal....

Development Partners.....?
Actual, Hoped for or Anticipated?

Development Finance....?
Actual , Hoped for or Anticipated?

As I said... Interesting Proposal...
During very very interesting Financial Times.

The number of unattributed laptop loyal articles related to Rangers financial plight and their AGM has gone through the roof this Sunday. I do wonder how this operates ? When do the Mafia for the mediocre decide to attribute names or not. Is it the journalist himself. His Editor. A combination of both or are they requested it from above ... I mean below. Any which way you look at it it´s good news.

We have Alison McConnell being brave enough to put her head above the parapet to ask some searching questions but blows it all away with her last two question and sentences in her article

"What will be the plans of an investor when it comes to the playing staff? Will funds be made available to strengthen the team?

For a so called journalist it makes pretty grim reading. There is no investor. As a journalist you would think she has that one bolted to the floor but no denial rears its ugly head and she asks that those who are looking for an investor make this phantom investors plans clear ? How easily manipulated are these gimps ?
I hope she doesn´t attend greeting wimmin are always a sight for sore eyes.

The last time Alistair Johnson came to our screens he was spinning so fast he was emanating nuclear magnetic resonance. I hope there are a few Geiger counters at their AGM tomorrow. As the EPL has firmly shut its door on the Old Firm and I do not think Johnsons assertions last time around helped the situation. He either has to come up with the news of a new investor or he will be left the only thing that is left to spin. The auspice of the Atlantic league.

There is nothing else on the table left to offer. Tomorrows Evening Times will be trumpeting the imminent arrival of the Atlantic league coupled with the lie that Rangers DONT NEED TO SELL ANYBODY this January.

And guess what raised it´s head in the press again today ? The SOS. The same paper that rebutted the Darrel King wet dream last weekend.

""UEFA are looking at capping wages at the biggest clubs but they should be trying to help the big clubs in smaller countries to try and raise their level of income because right now it's cut-throat: it really is," Cardihun said. "At the moment the money's there if you can get into the Champions League but that just encourages people to speculate and then get into enormous financial difficulties. That's why there is a call for a European League. It's so that clubs like ourselves can generate enough income to be better able to compete with the really big clubs.

""Scottish clubs are caught up in this because if we invest and then don't qualify then it can lead to serious problems. Our own financial situation has been well documented but there will be a dozen other clubs in small countries who are in a similar, if not worse, position than us."

""Since everything is driven by TV money then surely there would be an audience for a European League comprised of clubs from outside England, Spain, Italy, France and Germany. Rangers and Celtic, as the two biggest clubs, would leave the Scottish set-up to enter the new competition. However, there could still be an incentive for the clubs left behind.

"If Aberdeen, say, won the Scottish League they could then have a play-off against ourselves or Celtic – depending on which club finished lowest – for a place in the new league. There has to be an avenue for the other Scottish clubs to get into that European League so that would give them an incentive to invest in their own squads."

The plan is obvious to me and that is to keep the paying bear public on side by keeping them dumb. Shouldn´t be difficult until MIH opens up it books at the end of April. Much against Lloyds wishes I would reckon. It has the hallmarks of Sir Minty all over it.

Hail Hail

celikbhoy

in which case big boydyyyy boydo

would have a defence based on veritas

btw ...Gareth Bale is utter cack

Celikbhoy87 :- Thanks for the reply. If that is the case then fair enough, it would be covered within the longstanding rules of the game I watched the game on the telly and all it showed was him showing his belly in reply to the Falkirk fans taunting about his weight.
This was also the line carried by most of the press, hence my annoyance.

I have posted on a tangential point to this before and not just about Rangers players, I think it's ridiculous that crowds spend 90 min taunting oppossing players with filth and obcenities, sometimes about the players families and then act all shocked and claim their innocent minds are outraged if a player says something or gestures back.

Yesterday Lampard, today Defoe.

Good to know England's players haven't lost their knack for entertaining us with their penalties.

PF Ayr :- "boydo would have a defence based on veritas "
LMAO, I'm glad I didn't have the tea cup at my mouth there or I would be a long time cleaning the keyboard.

what a rocking second half at the toffees

excellent viewing and i had a wee bet on Cahill to score at anytime and 11-2 for Everton to score betting in running

nice one

MurdochauldandHay

Excuse me? Don't you mean the "sultry" Kate O Mara?

Keep her lit.

(Not Kate!!!!!)

53

Ed,
I do take your point on fans crying wolf.
Have to say the support novo received last week from his supporters saying their man had been abused by sheep fans couldnt have been the same people who abuse Lenny and Artur at every chance they get.I dont think you are one of these such people BTW who would abuse a man in this way.

This has the feel of a Sir David Murray Exclusive Paul.......

Are you really sure about it ?

Next Big Derek will be backing it to the hilt or at least 90% on Superscoreboard.....

Genuine news: England considering using Viagra to improve perfromace in 2010 World Cup.

I'll go first -

They want eleven hard men on the park.

up over goal

I rub it in my eyes - makes me look hard

i'll get ma coat

up_over_goal

They want to provide stiff opposition.

Hail! Hail!

Anyone know the attendance at Paradise yesterday?
Also, another question - does anyone know the reason Hibs wore their away kit at home? It doesn't clash with Motherwell's kit or anything.

Drunken
they had the home one in the wash

Celikbhoy :- I ham no problems with taunting or maybe it could be called abusing players from the opposition, if it helps distract them from the game for a second then I feel I'm helping my team. What I don't like is when race and/or religion come into it.
As far as the two players you mention go I have taken part in chanting at one about his weight "You fat "£$%^" at the other when he was near the touchline hoping that he would hear me letting him know I thought he was an "ugly torn faced wee "£$%&^"
What I wouldn't do in those cases is mention either players race or religion.
I'm not making myself out to be some kind of angel, on recent disagreement I had on here was over the "Nakamura ate my dog" song a song that I'm sure will make a comeback with a name change in Jan when your new player starts playing.
Some folk on here thought it racist, I thought it was more along the lines of singing to Aberdeen fans or Mr Hartson about their love life with sheep.

Solvi Ottenson attracting interest from German and EPL clubs.
Come on Celtic, don't let this guy slip from the radar.

Get in there and buy him.

Drunken_Lullabies

Probably a bit if Xmas marketing. We did the same at Tannadice recently.
Stupid idea, we're the Hoops!

Sir Paul

The Celtic Master Plan,looks a good one..

If, as you have reported,Redevelopment of the Area shall have taken place,to coincide with the opening of the Commonwealth Games,then the question must be begged..

When shall the First Shovel of Dirt, be over-turned?

Kojo.

allgreen - aye, that could well be it. I imagine there'd be uproar, though, if we wore anything other than the Hoops at home!

Ed - are you suggesting that the alleged Welsh 'love life with sheep' is not racist?

EdwardUrsus

If Boyd only flashed his belly the booking was wrong IMO.

Too many fans get all precious when a player reacts to dog's abuse.The problem for me with Boyd yesterday was the way the phone in presenters all backed him up.
You would have thought this had never happened on a pitch before.

I remember the same presenters all having a go at Boruc for applauding the Hibs fans and Lennon with Rangers fans.

If fans give someone pelters they shouldn't get a petted lip if it goes wrong.
When Sebo was playing for Rangers I was always in a panic he would score because there was a bloke who was probably entitled to moon at the Celtic support with a cigar up his backside and a Union Jack painted on.

EdwardUrsus

If Boyd only flashed his belly the booking was wrong IMO.

Too many fans get all precious when a player reacts to dog's abuse.The problem for me with Boyd yesterday was the way the phone in presenters all backed him up.
You would have thought this had never happened on a pitch before.

I remember the same presenters all having a go at Boruc for applauding the Hibs fans and Lennon with Rangers fans.

If fans give someone pelters they shouldn't get a petted lip if it goes wrong.
When Sebo was playing for Rangers I was always in a panic he would score because there was a bloke who was probably entitled to moon at the Celtic support with a cigar up his backside and a Union Jack painted on.

Evening CQN'ers just back from the game, a gret day and night out, well done the Celtic youth team.

http://www.celticfc.net/news/stories/news_061209161841.aspx

Hail Hail

Edward Ursus
Personally Id hang boydinho no matter what.
Do you know boydinho is a better goalscorer than King Henrik?

Drunken_Lullabies on December 6, 2009 6:23 PM

I think someone said yesterday it was about 56,010 odd

dMd

edwardursus

the song about naka was racist. i'm suprised at the way you dismiss it as a bit of banter.

EdwardUrsus
No disrespect, but most of the songs that can be heard at the 3rd biggest ground in glasgow tend to be of a racist/sectarian nature.

docmcdoc

Cheers, much better than the last few games.

Drunken_Lullabies on December 6, 2009 6:54 PM

always better than most of the EPL teams

dMd

That sounds wonderful.
And one in the eye for Adolph!

Sean Connery as voice over for an ad for 'Credit Agricole' - the line he keeps repeating is 'It's time for green banking'.

Too right.

Upovergoal : They want them all to stand up and be counted.

ggh

Hamilton 2 Hearts 1

Hearts had Stewart and Bouzid sent off during the game, then had Black (foul and abusive language) and Santana (violent conduct) red-carded in the tunnel after the match, with one Hamilton sub red-carded too in a 'brawl'. SFA promise a full investigation. Might be a while though.

Yesterday's highlights now uploaded on BBC website, link below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8398289.stm

Big rammy at the end of today's game between Hamilton & Minis. Looks like 4 Hearts players got red cards- 2 on the park and 2 in the tunnel. 1 Hamilton player red carded in the tunnel. Harry Carpenter describes the action-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8398157.stm

ibleedgreenandwhite on December 6, 2009 4:37 PM

Here I am.

thomthethimAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 4:59 PM

Ah yes criticise the board and suddenly we're all school children, suppose thats better than an easily led sheep.

DD

Twardzik Bhoys on target as Celts win 6-0

Celtic's u-19 side put in a great professional performance today to beat Brora Rangers 6-0 and win a place in the last eight of the SFA Youth Cup.
The Highland League side had a difficult afternoon as Stevie Frail's side bounced back from their only defeat of the season last week when they lost 2-1 away to Dundee United.
In truth the margin of victory should have been greater with Celtic failing to convert their first half superiority into goals with only strikes from Declan Gallagher and Jordan Lowdon separating the sides at the interval.

Two quick goals at the start of the second half from Lowdon and Filip Twardzik put the tie beyond doubt with Patrik Twardzik and substitute Johny Marsden completing the scoring in the last ten minutes.
Despite putting the game well beyond Brora, Celtic never let up with their controlled passing game troubling their opponents throughout.

Right-back Richie Towel put in a power of work up and down the right flank where he supported Patrik Twardzik with Brora offering little in an attacking sense.
"It was a pleasing win after the disappointment of losing last week," admitted Frail. "It was good to get over that and to score six goals.
"Fair play to Brora, they stuck at it, but it was obviously a step up in class for them. We were hoping for more goals but they worked hard to keep the score down.

ATTITUDE
"The big thing today was attitude and the players were spot on. They enjoyed themselves, we expect them to work hard, they did that and did well on the ball from first whistle to last.
Frail added: "To be brutally honest we were a bit disappointed to be just two up at half-time, we had chances to be further ahead if we had played a little bit better. We're satisfied but there is always room for improvement.
"Jordan (Lowdon) did well with his two goals, it's been difficult for him to break into the team because they players that are in have been doing well.
"I felt that he got better and stronger as the game went on which is pleasing for him.
"We need to have depth and players to come in, we have had a few injuries with James Forest and Callum Bagshaw out."
Without going overboard the quality of football being produced by the u-19s is very encouraging.
All of the players are comfortable on the ball, they pass and turn with ease, control the ball with their first touch and have a good grasp of the basic skills.
Developing youths with potential into first-team players is the task for everyone at Celtic.
The drop out rate for players between the ages of 17 and 21 is terrifying but the level of skill and resources currently spent on development has never been higher.

CONTRIBUTION
Only Aiden McGeady, Stephen McManus and Shaun Maloney have come through the ranks in the last decade to make a serious contribution to Celtic although others have made an impact before moving on elsewhere.
Pushing through a batch of players ready to win in Scotland and compete in the Champions League is very demanding but Frail and the coaching team won't compromise their demands and beliefs.
Frail added: "We have to win games, make no mistake about that, we don't apologise about that but we have to do that with a style.
"That's the way that Celtic teams have won in the past. We have to develop players and be winning, players have to step up into the reserves and be ready to do the job required.
"We're reasonably happy with how the season has gone so far."
Next Saturday the u-19's face St Mirren at home in the league before stopping for a winter break with another home match against Aberdeen.
CELTIC: Kennedy; Towell, G Gallagher, D Gallagher, Brennan; F Twardzik (McDonnell 69), Santonocito, Lowdon; Keatings (Ordish 59), Spence (Marsden 59), P Twardzik. SUBS: Witeman, Jones

It seems people are getting a bit excited about Rangers penalty kick taker getting close to Henrik Larssons SPL scoring record. Seems convenient that the name of the league is now the important thing in historical records.

The fat traitor is on 151 and they say he is 7 behind Henrik who scored 221 league goals for us, 35 in the Premier Division, 186 in the SPL.

Am I missing something here?

So Donegal Danny if you dont criticise the board you an easily led sheep?

DD

Keep posting, without different opinions we would
have nothing to discuss..

BT

greenlion2Author Profile Page on December 6, 2009 7:32 PM

When we're in the state we're in questioning the board is needed don't you think? Or are you quite happy with the continual downsizing?

I await January with interest, will it be the usual disappointment?

I still remain to be convinced after two years of waiting.

DD

EN

SPL Appearances?

Estadio Nacional - he's been missing goals against top quality opposition (including us) since the start of his career, even Novo can look like a superstar playing and scoring againt the like's of Hamilton,Dundee,Hearts and Kilmarnock,saying that so could Killen lol

i see that despite comfortably beating TFOD Babbel has been sacked from Stuttgart - replaced by Gross

blantyretimAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 7:32 PM

Course I will mate, people complain about Tony Mowbray then complain when you question the people who put him there and control his meagre budget! But of course they are infallible.

DD

Paul67

I am delighted to see that Celtic are involved in such a project.
We will need to maximise all forms of income in the near future.

One element of yesterdays match totally deflated me .

To my knowledge,for the first time since the new stadium was built there were FIVE corporate boxes in the North stand totally closed .Shutters down.Nada.

This quite alarming and well out of sync with the credit crunch.

I hear the attendance yesterday was reported as 56,000.

There is no way 56,000 actually attended the match.

The board must surely be aware if the team plays well and is winning,then we sell more tickets.

You know that i am a fan of how well the board have run us up to date.

I have lost a bit of faith lately.

£10 million has been invested in the Tony Mowbray era so far.

If this proves a waste then the board have only themselves to blame.

I hope i never see the "Shutters down " during an SPL match ever again.

donegaldanny, aye the January transfer window will be interesting, it'll be a defining moment for the board and the manager, back him or sack him.

I think GL2 is "bored" lol.

Hail Hail

DD

I moan and groan about the board as much as anybody..
Keep posting, after all Paul is the only one who can ban you.

Kris Boyd is a scheme dug that couldnt lace Henrik's boots,Id be embarassed to be a decent Hun n thinkin that that eejit could even compare.

To give the big greetin' faced git his due, he did say on TV yesterday, "I'm nowhere near Henrik Larsson - I know that."
Stating the bleedin' obvious, I know, but he did state it.
It's the sycophants in the media that are salivating about it.

Hail! Hail!

DD

The game was great yesterday. On the way home I was eulogising about Aiden so much you'd think I was you!!!

Seriously - you know how much I have criticised him in the past - but yesterday - and indeed lately - he was (in the words of Craig Revel Whassisnmae) AH - MAZE - EEN!!

Keep telling it as you see it mate.

Keep her lit.

53

TT

my friend called me yesterday from the Walfrid as the captains table was one of those closed.

EN;

So Boyd is right up there with Henrik. Well bless my soul! If the huns do sell him in janusry it will no doubt be a straight fight between Man Ure and Barca. I see a bidding war approaching...........-)

Lurgan53 on December 6, 2009 7:43 PM

Aiden is our player of a generation we should be building a team around him and keeping him for as long as we possibly can. I've always said it, he is the type of player Celtic should always strive to have.

Still big micks agent aye?? :-)

No worries I'll keep teling it like I see it! Fir Park next weekend should be another test.

Keepin her lit, keepin it country! :-)

DD

Estadio Nacional@7.32 - I think you have appearances mixed up with goals. He scored 16 in the old Premier division and 158 in the SPL.

Bloke_109

Your right, its 174 league goals, 16 in the Premier Division, 158 in the SPL.

The fat striker in his 10th season in the SPL with 3 european goals to his name needs 23 goals to equal Henrik Larssons tally during the magnificent 7 years he was here. Dont think he will do it before he is sold.

EN

Apologies for mentioning that bandit in the same sentence as Henrik Larsson.

This is true.

Unfortunatley I didn't have a camera with me at the time so my words will have to do.

You know the roundabout on the junction of Edmiston Drive and Broomloan Road? Of course you do, it's where we assemble to share out beachballs and things.

There's a new sign on the roundabout. Advertising Galloway & Campbell. Veterinary Surgery. With a big arrow pointing down Broomloan Road. Just a little adjustment and it's pointing.....

Galloway and Campbell may need to rethink their advertising strategy soon.

Celtic boards have always been notorious for failing to invest after major achievment's. But in this day and age of the tinternet we can pressurise them more .Its not so easy to ignore us now. And if your lurking Mr Lawwell?Another disaster of a window like last January and you'l take the mother of all cyber thrashing's ;)

anyonethinkladygagalookslikesomeoneyouwouldseeinblyswoodsquareafterdarkCSC

Henrik was 'one in a generation' player and much more than a bunch of statistics.

magnificentsevenCSC

EN

re Boydo it depends on the opposition

should he get to play against enough bottom 6 teams or DU (he always seems to score against them )

he must just do it

for such "prolific /wonderful/excellent " striker his euro record is embarrassing as is his meagre tally against us

as for your earlier observation re HK`s goals prior to the SPL,,,,one thing is for sure if the roles had been reversed BFDJ and his pals would had been mentioning it daily

Rome derby stopped for what looks like crowd problems.

Plenty of spare seats in the stands again.

DD

I think the reason that you attract a bit of personal criticism is not because you attack the board, but more so as it appears to be the only song you know.

That, and your ludicrous boycotting of the club you claim to love, whilst supporting every one of it's competitors.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just an Orangeman from St. Johnston, according to you.

People have demanded pistols at dawn on this site for less.

Evening all,

Will the 4 Hearts players be unavailable to play against US on 20th of DEC?

Cheers
play

thomthethimAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 8:02 PM

So giving money to the board who then downsize the club year after year until we lose to one to the worst hun teams ever is sensible?

What other protest would you suggest?

DD

thomthethimAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 8:02 PM

Oh and we only have one competitor. If any other team in the SPL manages to compete with us over a season it proves my point perfectly that the board are totally inept.

DD

Vmhan Im not bored. Im fed up with DD. I think ive asked DD this type of question a few time before this is the first he has answered.

For all the failings we have at board level this is not a board to go to the car park over.

DD you say downsizing what would your strategy be apart from playing the Irish national team. You could say we overschieved in 5 years with a plan that was based on us going to the EPL which did not happen. The board re-evaluated what was happening. So did MoN.

Pauls article is showing we have a business plan ahead which will help support the club. Please take the floor and tell me apart from asking our major shareholder to take it out his pocket what you would do. Your plan is not to give them money the last I read.

Do you think this board is as bad as the Kelelys and Whites?

chennaiseabird .... does it point the way to the piggery :¬)

HH

donegaldanny - I've always meant to was the fact that we downsized at all, or the rate of downsizing that gets your goat?

Estadio
A few years ago I was on holiday with Mrs biddulph travelling from Rome to Florence by train. It was on a matchday when Roma were playing Bologna and the train was full of Roma supporters. It took me back to supporters specials in the 60/70s. I got talking to a Roma supporter - the gist of which was that he said we were lucky it wasnt a Lazio travelling support.
i must admit i found the Roma lads very well behaved.

Cheers weeminger for the earlier pub guide. Anyone familiar with Callander and Thorhill pubs?

greenlion2Author Profile Page on December 6, 2009 8:07 PM

What good has the zero debt policy done Celtic?

Losing to the huns?
The huns still being able to compete even though they are on their knees financially?
Fans leaving in their thousands?
Lack of quality on the pitch?
Out of Europe before Xmas two years on the trot?

Who are the Kelelys? :-)

DD

Boyd may be getting close to Henrik in goals scored in the SPL, but so what?

Let's not mention how many were dodgy penalties, tap ins or offside. Let's not mention how many were scored against the bottom teams in the league. And let's not even mention the low number scored in Glasgow derbies.

Because however many goals he scores, Kris Boyd will never be one tenth of the all round, complete football player that Henrik Larsson was.

It's like arguing that some crappy reality show manufactured band produced better music than Beethoven based on cd sales.

dd

if we all followed your lead then CFC would fold and you would have no away day pleasures

by choosing not to attend then imo you disenfranchise yourself from all things Celtic

as for protest ..how about support

when we win the league you`ll no doubt join the party ......a party which you haven`t paid for

i just don`t get how such a committed supporter as you can behave in such a fashion

just don`t get it pal

donegaldanny - 'ask' is the obvious missing word, and 'it' the slightly less obvious one. Gah!

EdU @ 5:57

Agree re taunting players.

Recall us taunting Gazza about beating his wife then feigning outrage when he gestured back ( think it was the flute incident but might be wrong).

Anyway, struck me that we, the Celtic support, were at best being hypersensitive.

SwanseaBhoy

greenlion2 - Its not Celtic's masterplan its Glasgow city councils. If it was up to our board the surrounding land at paradise would still resemble cheyenne . Only our old CE MacDonald was interested in giving the outside of CP a lick of paint .

EN...

Re Motherwell ticket.

I have had a look at your blog and cannot see your email address.

Am I being stupid?

The King v boydinho?
Imagine even talking about them in the same breath.
One scores in world cup finals and one doesnt.
One plays for the 3 biggest clubs in the world and one doesnt.
One scores in european finals and one doesnt.
One single handedly changes the course of a champions league final and one doesnt.
One is a total family man and one is a drunk.
I wonder which one is which?

Roccobhoy

a scurrilous rumour which many believed to have been entirely accurate

i couldn`t possibily comment

Biddulph bhoy

Ive never been a fan of either but used to fancy going to that game, dont think it would be worth the bother these days.

Talking of Italy I saw AC Milan mention that Gattuso may leave the club in January. I think we should offer him and his Glaswegian wife a return to Glasgow.

EN

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:11 PM

Why pay the money then be rewarded with Willo Floods? Why should fans continually invest in the football club when that money is then not used to improve the team?

We are now being pushed in the SPL by Hibs and Dundee Utd for heavens sake!!!

DD

In my opinion comparing Boyd to Henrik is like comparing accrington stanley to barcelona and asking which is a bigger club??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One was a footballing genius who played for Celtic, Man U and Barca and the other is a very good SPL goalscorer particularly against the bottom 6 SPL teams!

In fairness u cant take away from Boyd his goalscoring record in the SPL is excellent BUT COMPARING THE 2 IS AN INSULT TO LARSSON!!

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

Mac1888 on December 6, 2009 3:22 PM
Is it not a sin if you partake in gambling ?

friedrichnietzscheCSC :)

Only if

1) you let the pursuit of money take you away from God
2) you place others at risk of financial hardship by execssive gambling.

handycatechismhints CSC

weeminger on December 6, 2009 8:08 PM

It was the quest for zero debt which has led to failure on the football pitch which get my goat really.

DD

PF Ayr

Cheers for that!

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

Paul67

I am delighted to see that Celtic are involved in such a project.
We will need to maximise all forms of income in the near future.

One element of yesterdays match totally deflated me .

To my knowledge,for the first time since the new stadium was built there were FIVE corporate boxes in the North stand totally closed .Shutters down.Nada.

This quite alarming and well out of sync with the credit crunch.

I hear the attendance yesterday was reported as 56,000.

There is no way 56,000 actually attended the match.

The board must surely be aware if the team plays well and is winning,then we sell more tickets.

You know that i am a fan of how well the board have run us up to date.

I have lost a bit of faith lately.

£10 million has been invested in the Tony Mowbray era so far.

If this proves a waste then the board have only themselves to blame.

I hope i never see the "Shutters down " during an SPL match ever again.

Gordon

Its not on it but if you post in the comments bit I can get yours from there? I will delete it as soon as I read it.

EN

PF ayr - being a legal chappie, I hope you can confirm that Rocco hasn't inadvertantly said anything that could get our host into trouble?!

TTTT

donegaldanny
sadly its a sign of the times and the board are being prudent.
Some say too prudent but such is life.

seanbhoy69

Cheers for that!

He is one lucky lucky boy then that the girl and her family accepted a pay off!!!!

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

DD if you dont know who my bad typing of names was meaning then maybe its better leaving it.

Im still waiting on your reply to my questions but then again as usual I dont expect anything positive from you.

EN
Do you want me to forward your email to Gordon

dd

no investment by fans... no club

your approach is assinine and pointless

and btw i`ll spend my money as i see fit

enjoy watching justintv

you missed a cracker yesterday ...your choice

squire danaher - I know they chop and change the gracious book whenever it suits their needs...not disputing it ;)

When we see posts that disagree with our point of view what i remind myself is that like many of us

As a Celtic fan - I support Celtic

but from time to time

I might not agree with the board
I might not agree with the manager's signings, team selection or tactics
I might question individual players, their skills, commitment etc

But the bottom line it that i love and support the entity that is Celtic FC, i am proud of their history and heritage- its probably in my DNA.

sorrygotabitemotionalCFC

donegaldanny - I never thought the plan was flawed. Just the rate. Had we aimed to spread it out over 10 instead of 5 years, I reckon the squad would be somewhere in the middle of where it was, and where we are.

And the debt would have been cleared in 7. Everybody wins.

Gattuso for the tic. Payback for the Mo fiasco?

DD when di the quest for Zero debt, kick in your mind?

Estadio
there is talk of Man City (Dubia FC) going for hin in january

WGS- did we not get our revenge when we signed Kenny Misser? lol

greenlion2Author Profile Page on December 6, 2009 8:21 PM

My strategy would be managable debt to improve the playing squad.

Speculating to accumulate.

We are not beyond a couple of blue chip signings which get bums on seats and improve the playing squad.

Do we have a captain worth the name? No.

Do we have a fans talisman to unite behind? No.

Not alienating fans by turning Celtic Park into a morgue on matchdays would help aswell.

Punihing opposition fans like the huns and jambos for sectarian racist and defamatory chants EVERY time they come to Celtic Park would help as well.

DD

biddulph bhoy
snap!!

TTTT

defamatory and insulting statements are posted on this blog daily

why should anyone care now

BT

Cheers, that would be the sensible option.

EN

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:21 PM

You spend your money wherever you want, I never asked you to do anything otherwise with your money. Clear?

DD

dd

you are turning Parkhead into a morgue by refusing to attend

Speaking of hearsay and tittle tattle. Scott MacDonald drinks cider. And was doing so the night before the last Rangers game. Naughty boy.

PF ayr - Just enquiring about the legalities of alledging or stating (in jest) what a certain TFOD player has been up to.

Do you not care if Paul gets into trouble and what statements posted daily even come close to this type of thing?!

TTTT

Used to be a hun ,but your alright now! "Rino,Rino" Hmmmm could work lol

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:29 PM

OH it was jumping before I left right enough eh?

If it wasn't for the green brigade you could hear pin drop.

DD

The Hun knows all about "dematatory and insulting."

donegaldanny

Are you suggesting that Celtic spends more in 2010 than it has done on average in the past few seasons ?

Where is the cash going to come from ?

We will not sell so many season books regardless of if we buy 2 or 3 middle of the road Championship level players or not....

Beating Rangers by 10 or 2 points will not sell any more season books either.

We will not get bigger sponsorship deals next season than this.

We will not sell more boxes or corporate seats next year than this either....if we have 3,4, or 5 middle of the road players which we could stretch ourselves to sign.We could not compete with top EPL for the players who would make a difference.

No top player or manager, for that sake, would come to Celtic right now unless for a lot more than the going rate.

A 3rd rate football country going backwards with a consumer base who spend a very high % of their earnings on the club and who demand much more than is realistic from the club's potential income.

Getting behind a group of players who are doing their best and making sure we are aligned to win well domestically (like yesterday) is the limit of our realistic ambition.

Our poor Euro co eff will also limit potential (barring a lucky draw) to progress in CL or Europa from next year.

I think you need a reality check on things.....painful as all of the above is for any of us to accept......Celtic are downsizing because there is no alternative....the unfortunate thing is that the board who you criticise have not done anything to address the strong 'headwinds' which the club faces....whilst feathering their nests from running a very good 'corner shop' year to year....a bit better than previous 'shoe box' but a long way from a 'blue chip' corporation. IMO

dd

don`t clear me big man ...the rudeness

what is the benefit of your approach ?

Defamatory even......

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:29 PM

SO are you saying its ok for the huns and jambos to behave as they do when they're at Celtic Park?

Or are you just disagreeing with anything I say now? Brilliant.

DD

Certain people employed by a certain football club in glasgow have got away with breaking the law before. I know for a FACT that a certain member of the backroom staff at this football club was not charged by the police for being under the influence of alcohol while driving a motor vehicle.

Tommy Twists Tommy Turns

I never accused, I merely asked also I never stated exactly what I was refering to!! How could Paul be pulled up on this??

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

dd

how would you know ?

tele??...friends ..??

DD do you not think that the board knew we were going to drop ST sales. They are not daft wee bhoys. We argueably had the best board going when Brian was in place.

People forget when Henrik came he was not a box office signing. We ahve bought very few and even the ones we have bought have not brung the rewards of seats sold apart from Naka.

So we have a Zero debt board who go to the far east to bring in the best Japanses player. Tried to get a Chines player did not work out, now have another and we now have a south korean player coming....yet reading this blog we never go any further than Hibs..

I know none of them are Irish but I noticed your latest pin up bhoy could not get a game today and has not featured every week so is he coming or not?

PF ayr

One of us is changing: I used to disagree with almost everything you said on here but recently the opposite is true.

You are eminently more sensible these days :-)

SwanseaBhoy

Danny-your points are totally without weight given your previous statements about not attending CP. By not supporting Celtic at home, you are directly contributing to the downsizing, and contributing to other clubs coffers at Celtic's expense. Faithful through and through does not come with caveats imo

blantyretim & EN...

Good idea.

I will pick up the email tomorrow.

Thanks,

Kris Boyd.....Outed as a wholesome character from Tarbolton,Ayrshire.

(where strange things happen)

TTTT

merely musing as to why the sudden concern re defamation

clearly little concern has hitherto been shown

DD

stupid leading question ....i made no comment that could in anyway be construed as supporting that proposition

Two down for the coupon this week, the two with the best odds..

I counted six teams picked at the weekend.

TNT 11/16
GL2 11/17
CSIAL 9/15
TTT 9/16
BT 8/13
EN 9/17
PF AYR 8/14
C1888 3/5
BB 3/8

PF / Burnley I can twait until we start getting the ..you cant abuse the board posts but for the clique to jump on you...rather than getting an answer

greenlion2Author Profile Page on December 6, 2009 8:34 PM

Priceles mate. Disagree with me if you must but don't talk nonsense just for the sake of it.

my 'latest pin up boy'? Good one, Robbie Keane (like it or not) would be the best player in the SPL by some distance were he to come here.

Hartson?

Sutton?

Lennon?

No they didn't add people to seats did they? But didn't we have 10 k waitng list back then??

Why the continual references to the 'Irish'?

DD

GL2 I was just trying to lighten the mood,

"this is not a board to go to the car park over", aye yir right it'll be the new "plaza" :¬)

Hail Hail

greenlion2
why the Irish comment?

Rocco - I never said you accused mate, but you just said that a family accepted a pay-off! Can you prove it?!
I'm no lawyer, but P67 has mentioned before about the perils of raising this type of thing before. Please think twice and keep that kind of thing to personal e-mails.

Cheers mate
TTTT

Burnley'78

I cannot accept your statements that downsizing is the only option. Boruc - european class keeper - signed from eastern european market. Caldwell - lower half spl defender - signed from spl. IF the board showed a degree of class in getting in a management team with knowledge of markets beyond the spl and championship, Boruc himself has shown we do not need to downsize to the same extent. There will undoubtedly be a player on the way up in eastern europe and other markets better than most players in each position in our first eleven and without question better than hibs centre halfs and championship players. Your views are the boards dream, passive acceptance. All I want is some ambition and lateral thinking. And yes I would return to CP if I saw it, I know many others who would so we would sell more season books and everything else that comes with that. And markets like eastern europe as Boruc proved do not require a vast financial outlay.

Finally I do not for a second buy the John Reid argument that we cant sign non EU payers due to immigration laws. Whilst this is true to an extent it is not a fully preventing barrier. The requirement to get a w.p is show that a player will make a material positive difference to the profession he was in. We managed to convince the immigration authorities Koki Mizuno could do that for goodness sake, it is not THAT hard to get in foreign talent.

The Board have other options, they'd just rather downsize and take their guaranteed buck off the 35-40,000 fans who go no matter how bad we are and say fans like me who care enough to vote for change with our feet that we are not fans. Shameful from the board.

EN I met CSIAL at the game yesterday I think between his night out on Friday and walking abilities after op he missed tipping yesterday. .... I said he was a bit of a woos as he had only walked up 110 stairs to his seat. He did not think he could get the lift...

EN

why have you placed me above you in the selections league table

clearly my strike rate is better than yours

i trust you will amend accordingly :¬)

hoops1990
no disrespect, but shameful from you I think.

TommyTwistsTommyTurns

Fail enough, it was certainly not intended to get Paul into trouble, I was merely asking out of curiousity!

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

Seanbhoy69 what one?

Gil Heron on December 6, 2009 8:36 PM

Faithfull through and through got us to within hours of going the way of the Dodo. Remember it was the rebels who forced the change.

DD

PF

I agree, your strike rate is very good ;0)

BT

Gil Heron on December 6, 2009 8:36 PM

Oh and the downsizing started long before people stopped going so how do you explain that?

DD

greenlion2
you said ` none of them are Irish`.
What has nationality got to do with signing players?

DD

what is the benefit to CFC in you refusing to attend home games ?

donegaldanny - I know you're a fan of board spin. After the stadium was complete the 10k waiting list was board spin. Even when the waiting list was on the go, prior to completion you could, if you spoke nicely to the right person, skip the queue and get a seat.

Anyway, off out. No doubt trade some further mild mannered posts with you in the coming days.

Tiny Tim - I am no expert on these matters and would not care to be, however, I think the empty corporates are indeed a sign of the times. First thing to go for a lot of companies has to be the fringe luxuries which are nice but not necessarily necessary to the business.

Business as I understand it, has to pull the horns in a wee bit. corporate wining and dining can be a little tasteless when jobs are being cut and even greedy bankers and employers understand that.

Perhaps though, in these times, Celtic should be looking to market these facilities differently. birthday parties, Christmas works day out, hens, stags all at less than the business world would normally pay of course.

just a thought.

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weeminger on December 6, 2009 8:50 PM

Yes indeed the waiting list was pure fanatsy in order for poeple to pay £30 to join it.

No worries! I'm sure we will!

Hail Hail

DD

GL2

Cheers. Fit enough to go to the game yet not able to pick a coupon, the bhoys a discrace, no commitment ;¬]

PF Ayr

Your right, thought the postions would remain the same, but your 5% more succesful, Im flirting with relegation only the form of BB saving me ;¬]

I'm not sure that someone who actively supports Celtic on the road but doesn't go to Celtic Park is any worse than the thousands of Celtic Park attendees who sit in sullen silence at every home game.

Is the feeling of dissilusionment from the board maybe caused by , high prices, low return into the team, poor results, and an apparent lack of ambition.

Im not too fussed to be honest, although my mate, a villa fan, pays approx £400 per year, and they are complaining its too high.

I do think our prices are far too high though.

So many of our fans are earning approx 12-13k per year, yet expected to hand out £500+ (approx 4% of there yearly earnings) for football, feels like our family club could be more family focused.

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:49 PM

To show the suits we're not mere turnstyle fodder. To show that we will not stand for downsizing which places us in the position whereby a financially crippled hun team, Hibernian and Dundee Utd can challenge us for the SPL title.

With the resources we've had at our disposal we should be light years ahead of them all wouldn't you agree?

DD

Naka, Petrov, Boruc, Di Canio, Viduka, Larsson, Lubo, Zaluska (Potentially) van hoojidonk, cadete to name but a few.

All of these players were reasonably modest outlays in terms of transfer fees yet provided either a healthy profit on their sale or value for money or both!!!!!!!!!

The Point I'm making here is, if our scouting system was world class then there would be no real need for 6 million pound signings!!

I know Celtic have revamped their scouting system over last 1 - 2 years and hopefully they will reap the benefits in the next few years but they have been so re active instead of proactive re their scouting that its infuriating!!

Hail Hail

Roccobhoy

Estadio N

Hey you......

Hoops1990-so your demands are to be met before you return to CP? As much as I respect your opinions and democratic right not to attend games, these are not, imo, actions of true Celtic fans. I am not a passive accepter and never have been. The markets you talk about in Eastern Europe are not the cheap scouting grounds they once were, Poland for instance has developed in the 4 years that we've had Artur. Your views are overly simplistic. Markets are saturated with scouts and the global appeal of Celtic is pretty much limited to our fan base-Young kids in Eastern Europe, Africa and beyond know more about Bolton than they do about Celtic. It's not as easy as you may think.

DD

Were you one of the rebels? I was.

If you were there you'd know the current curcumstances are a world away from where we were then.

Tell you what; if the current or a future Board take us to within hours of extinction I'll join you in the car park or on the plaza.

Until then know that you support Shame FC and their Edinburgh and Lanarkshire cousins more than Celtic. Well done you.

SwanseaBhoy

Well Bhoys I'm off to watch DVDs of the Martin O'Neill era while listening to the Wolfetones in my Robbie Keane jersey. Enjoy!:-P

DD

NB and thats before CL Europa League package.

CD @ 5:09...

Thanks for your reply on that November '62 game.

However, I don't think that it was due to the police insistence that it took place in the afternoon.

The first game, a 2-2 draw, was played at Ibrox on a Monday evening. I remember John McNamee of all people scoring one of the goals.

Also, one of the League games that year was also played in the evening, at Celtic Park, a 1-1 draw.

A few months later, the 1963 Scottish Cup replay also took place in the evening - least said about that game the better! :(

So it remains a bit of a mystery why an afternoon kick off.

Incidentally, the crowd was only 24000.

greenlion2 - Naka only made the grade here because the league is so week .Believe me mate I love watching his free-kicks againt killie and Manure on youtube , but like Italy and now in Spain he's just a Squad player. Mizuno and the Zheng Zhi couldnt lace his boots btw and dont forget du - something who was in the defence against Clyde. I'm more optismistic about the Korean Bhoy thats signed . I know we have to find someway of generating revenue and I commend PL for trying to break into the far eastern market.But its always a gamble going for these far eastern players,especially having them play in a physical league like the SPHell.

Stop having a go at DonegalDanny just because he wants to see more ambition at boardroom level ,he just dosen't want to feel the pain of the huns winning the league again with a far inferior team .The guy knows how negligent our current board can be .thats aw :)

BB

think i`d be quiet if i were :¬)))

DD

do you really think that your one man protest is showing the board anything ?

PF ayr on December 6, 2009 8:59 PM

Just one empty seat inside CP is it?

DD

I agree with some of what DD says regarding downsizing, I think the problem wouldn't be as bad had we invested better, we have too many squad players who aren't worthy of a place at Celtic..

I will however continue to go to Celtic park to support my and our team...

BT

Weird excuse for a programme on STV, Scottish Sports Award sponsored by the Sunday Mail. The paper whos main football scribbler declared 'theres no way back for Tony Mowbray with the press'

Presented by that weird woman from Sky.

BB

Ha, Im not much better.

rdk7

Given that the Club spend roughly what we bring in how should we finance reduced ST prices?

SwanseaBhoy

PF Ayr

"Ah ken..."

nitenitecsc

Donegal Danny - pardon me for butting in here. there is a certain logic in what you write. I don't agree with a lot of it but there are some good points in there.

However, as a bit of an amateur student of the revolutionary Left down through the years I am wondering at the logic of your Celtic Park Boycott. Any revolution that has been a success to some degree has been conducted at the most advantageous times in the most advantageous conditions. What chances of another Russian Revolution in 2009? None. WIll that stay the same forever? dunno. So to my point(s)

the Rebels, as you say, assisted the rescue of the club but at that time they were widely backed in the face of an utterly incompetent and possibly corrupt (I don't know, just saying what I heard, allegedly etc) board with the very existence of the club at stake.

the conditions were right for revolution and the tactic of Boycott. active boycott I might add. It wasn't just not turning up.

the conditions now are such that a boycott would not receive popular support, neither would it shift a board who are, I have to admit, running a fairly tight (take that whatever way you will) ship and do not have the bank on their back.

I am wondering what the protests would look like if lots of us joined you in a boycott at this stage. What would we be chanting? Sack the Board? Replace them with who?? Now I would be all for getting Dr Death out of our place because he is bringing the place in to disrepute. If there was a genuine chance of a genuine fan take over I would be in the front line of the struggle. but there isn't.
Would we chant 'Spend More Dough' or 'what do we want? manageable levels of Debt? when do we want it? When the transfer window opens?'

The zeitgiest is not a revolutionary one. Like it or lump it these are wait and see times. Our best chance of competing at 2000-2003 levels again will arrive when wages and transfer fees fall. I cannot see any other way forward for us right now and therefore it really is 'wait and see', managing the best we can in the mean time - and of course the jury is out on that at the moment.

things are not perfect right now but when the conditions are right there will be change, one way or another.

By Mac1888 on December 6, 2009 8:59 PM
Naka only made the grade here because the league is so week

I respect anyones opinion on any topic, but in my opinion , that is one of the worst comments ive read on my time on CQN.

DD you said Sutton , Lennon, Hartson first time I think ive saw you mention non Irish palyers could be wrong..

Was there not a wating list before then or did these guys achieve it? You pick up some amount of crap on here and turn it into an anti Celtic arguement.

Can you answer my question were you here when it was really bad?

I really cant get a grasp on waht you logic is. SSSSo we are a club who are struggling revenue streams so we stop going to our home games but go to the away games?

If you stopped goign fair enopughjt but you must be off your head iff you thisnk your logig works.

But then again Ive notr saw you having an answer since you've came on here.

Reductionism.
If you enjoy going to see Celtic, go. If you do not enjoy going to see Celtic , do not go.

I love going.
Danny does not.
We both love Celtic.

Mac1888 this a blog its for peopel to debate not just spout the same crap that everything is bad everyday unchallanged.

If you think Naka was nto a great player tpo that criteria then how does Luubo go in your marking?

Naka only made the grade here because the league is so week

That is a peach! Not only is that a fallacy, but my god, weak.

Robert Tressell

Good post.

Are you involved in the SSP/Solidarity/SWP or any other.

I was once a seller of Militant outside Asda in Coatbridge - late eighties, early nineties.

SwanseaBhoy

BT 7.44

We are not being told, just how bad it is.

To use a rags expression.

One very well connected insider told me yesterday. " It's madness, when we are winning the ticket sales go up.I can't cope with the phone call's ,or the emails.A couple of bad result's and i can't give tickets away.If we have an attractive winning team, the stadium sells out.I can't believe how badly they are getting this wrong."

rdk7 - We all have different opinion's . I've seen a lot of games when he was bullied off the ball but came up with that we bit of magic when we needed it (Free Kicks).Do you think the spl compares to the Spanish or Italian leagues ? its common knowledge he's stuggling now.didnt you know? Coincidently,he's been blabbering to the Spanish hacks about how weak the spl is and how he regrets staying at Celtic so long,using that as an excuse for him not being able to hack it at Espanol,Good Asian player but no Larsson was he ?

Henrik Larsson scored 174 top-flight goals for Celtic (158 in the SPL if we must be pedantic). He did this across seven seasons (during one of which his leg was broken). He scored 35 goals in European competition for Celtic. He scored two goals in a UEFA Cup final. He set up two goals in a Champions League final, turning the course of the game. He scored goals from the middle of the box, the edge of the box, outside the box. He scored from headers, lobs, improbable angles and free kicks. He played for three of the world's biggest clubs, all of which have won the European Cup. He scored 37 goals for his country, and was made captain.

Kris Boyd has scored 151 top-flight goals (88 for Rangers. He has done this over ten seasons. He has scored three goals in European competition. He did not merit a starting place in a UEFA Cup final. He can only dream of playing in a Champions League final. He scores the majority of his goals from the six-yard box against bottom-six teams. He scores from tap-ins, offside positions and controversial penalties. He has played for two of the world's clubs, none of which have won the European Cup. He has scored eight goals for his country, before storming off in a huff when he wasn't picked one day.

Any comparison made between these two vastly different players is likely to be extremely low in value if it considers only statistics. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that Henrik Larsson was a far superior player, and indeed the greatest to have played in the SPL.

You wouldnt recognise that asda now, its all changed..........

Actually its exactly the same...

Still got The little sisters of the poor every thursday though!

what the hell happened to all of the good will from the game on saturday??

all last night and most of today,all the comments where positive about not only the results but the performances,both individually(crosas,mcgeady,nguemo,hinkel,sammi,robson,,i could go on)and collectively

whats changed??

oh i see, donegal danny has re-appeared on the scene to warn us all of impending doom,if he wasnt such an anti board board rebel he would have been at paradise yesterday to witness a great game

oh well,im sure we will manage without him

hail hail

Donegal Danny.......do you reside in a cave in the Donegal Hills.....I'm sure I saw you on my last trip the the Holy Ground...!!!

For God's sake will ye draw on some positivity. like the good people (my people) of Donegal have been doing for centuries, in the face of adversity.....support the Bhoys to the hilt, and you will be able to fill that seat with pride....He He

Danny-you are so wrong about 94. The fans did their bit, but supported the team all throughout. Our ave attendances between 90 & 94 were between 25 & 30K per season so not much of a voting with the feet there. With regards to downsizing-do you think that the debt Celtic accumulated would just go away and no-one would notice? In 94 the BOS were happy to foreclose because they were owed relatively little in comparison to c2005 levels. Celtic were in serious debt and given the fact that our club is not owned by one significant benefactor there were I believe only 2 options. First was to go again to the support and shareholders and ask for further monies in the form of a share issue. Secondly would have been to take the course which we have. In hindsight, fiscally this has proven to be the correct course, but as I am a Celtic supporter first and a shareholder second the heart rules the head in this instance and would prefer a winning team first. I am however, not buying into this whole 'I'll come back when the football gets better' it's distasteful too me. But it is your right to do so, so keep on keepin' on.

Don't tell me we're talking about a Casino now.....you'll be gettin' SDM all excited, Paul'67.....!!!!!!...or maybe not !!!

rdk7

:-)

.......and the flower sellers outside?

SwanseaBhoy

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..Donegal Danny

Pal, I understand yer frustration, with the seemingly static and uncomprising attitude, that the Celtic Board have adopted, in their steadfast refusal to enter into debt.

Me...I am firmly on the side of the Celtic Board,in this.

Why?

Because, in this Economic Downturn..the Present tight fisted approach of the Present Celtic Board, is the correct attitude to adopt.

It is the old story..

One must cut one's garment to suit one's supply of material.

In this Financial Climate, the very last thing that one should consider would be the accumulation of Debt.

You and others have noticed the shrinking Attendance at Celtic Games..and no matter,if one believes that the reduction in the
Match Attendance Figure, is Due to the Paucity of Entertaintment
that the present Celtic Team Have been purveying to their fans, or.. if you are in the other camp, who claim that the Diminution in the Crowd Figures,owes a big percentage,of that figure, to the Fact that, like it or
not.. The Country as a Whole, is in the Grip of a Long Lasting and
Stubborn, Economic Depression.

Therefore, Money is at a premium..and the spending of such, is patently far more useful in keeping... Family,Home and Hearth together, than spending it on Unproductive things,like..well, Entertainment.

Returning to the main point of this discourse.

Therefore..

Celtic Football club,at this moment in Time..is facing a period
of SUBSTANTIAL Reduction in Earnings,not only because of the Flagging Attendance Figures..but also.. Celtic, Will also suffer,a predictive reduction in other sections of their income stream.

Catering, Strips,etc.etc.

Pal, I can assure you...

Now, is not the Proper Time to bring up the matter of Acquiring Debt.

If,in your opinion, the Board have let the fans down, by failing to open their purse,in the Past..

Then, You may have a beef.

Howevahhh...

As, I am wont to repeat ..

Time and Again..

Those Opportunities are rooted in the Past,and,like it or no
We are living in the PRESENT.

You will just have of let go your disappointment,in the Celtic Board's failure in the Past, to act,in fulfillment of Your OWN Personal Wishes.

Those Past Opportunities are gone, and were part and parcel of another and therefore, separate.. Economic Cycle.

In the Present Economic Cycle..one in which we are firmly immersed..

It would be the Height of Folly for the Celtic Board to..

Take aboard any amount of Debt.

Maks sense tae me!

Kojo.
yer pal..who likes ye a loater.

Drunken_Lullabies

Agree they are two players who cannot be compared, thats why I posted about it earlier, anybody mentioning 'SPL scoring record' should seek help. Im going to enjoy the media clutching at straws with this one.

EN

Doing a roaring trade mate,

Was jeanster and wimpy there when you done your thing!!

The unity on the blog was great last night, wasn't it?

Pity that it lasted for such a short time ...

Gil Heron at 9:18 ..I cant see any comparrsion with then and now. The only thing I can see is people who were not there at the time now want to make this their tinme to rebel.

Can you imagine telling any genration of our support that we have people wanting to go to the car park after the alst 10 years we have had.
Remember how long before Vigo we were in Europe after Christmas.

Remember before Jock how Long beofore we won a league or cup.

Kojo,

FREE THE SONDERJYSKE ONE !!

In other words tell Collie to get own the blower to TM and say two words:

Solvi Ottenson.

You know it makes sense kiddo.

WGS

first time ive ever posted so be gentle with me! DD you make some valid points. However I went home and away during the old board's regime as I go home and away now and the mood amongst fellow tims, despite some poor performances/results, remains generally upbeat. Yes the board, manager and playing staff have failings but for the time being they will continue to have my support both vocally and financially.

Celtic4everCSC

rdk7

:-)

Can't remember Jeanster but Wimpy aye. I was more of a City Bakers man myself. Rare roll and sausage.

Still semi regular in Coatbridge - family in Red Bridge. Nip in for said roll and sausage on my way to CP. Braw.

SwanseaBhoy

Part of the reason for the falling attendances at CP is because of the lack of atmosphere.

The people responsible for the lack of atmosphere are the fans.

Not the players. The fans.

The atmosphere at away games is far far better. Same players. Better atmosphere.

Different fan composition of course. Less middle class.Fewer prawn sandwiches. Higher proportion of fans who are members of supporters' clubs travelling on supporters' buses.

DD

I understand your frustrations at the downsizing.

I do not understand you stopping giving Celtic income,but you are willing to give it to our competitors.

You are letting your anger and frustration at our downsizing cloud your judgement.

In a weird way you are harming yourself.

You are frustrated at our lack of spending ,but make it necessary for us to spend even less by wihdrawing your income.

I could understand this ,if you thought that your stance would be short term and bring about a change of ownership,but it won't.

Are you hoping that things get that bad that we have the need for another Celts for change movement?

If not ,start giving your money to Celtic and not our competitors.

The board can only spend what Celtic earn.

If they are not doing enough to increase income ,or expenditure is wasted, then by all means complain about that.

Celtic need our money more than ever.

This is not a time to stop supporting them financially if you can afford to.

DD

certainly there are more empty seats than yours

however

i don`t know of anyone else who provides our competitors with revenue yet withholds it from our club

clearly you think there is a point to your protest ....

you won`t convince me of it`s merits

btw ..i am no board supporter ..i just can`t fathom out nor rationalise your approach

i`ll enjoy CP you can enjoy such piggeries as Swinecastle and Snake mountain

Mac1888

Im not up to speed on how he is coping, but on his time here, and before he came(when i had known about and watched him in italy), he was a great player, a really top drawer player.

"I've seen a lot of games when he was bullied off the ball" ....he wasnt a big strong player. Ive never seen scott brown pushed of the ball, and ive never seen him spraying passes, crosses, and unstopable free kicks.

Every player has strengths and weaknesses..in naka's case his weakness was his weakness....

His strengths far outweigh his weaknesses.

And he is not far off by saying the spl is guff.....it is!!!

Lets not all gang up on DD.

He is a caring Celtic fan .Who is disillussioned with things.

I think his stance is misguided ,but i have no doubt he loves Celtic dearly.As we all do.

WGS

i have only seen a you tube clip of this guy

have you seen him play a full game ?

Anybody see Gordon Smith announcing thate award. Thinks he's a comedian.

The deal will be done tonight with Smith and Smith.

Ernie Lynch

The fans responded yesterday to what the players where doing
on the park...

if the players produce the fans will respond again and again..

Evening. Going over to spend a bit of time in "Old, Stoney Monaghan" on the 5th Jan. Do i still need to watch what boat i get ?

Drunken_Lullabies on December 6, 2009 9:14 PM

Actually Henrik played for 4 clubs who were European Champions.....which is probably a good quiz question...has anyone ever played for 5 European Champions ?

Great News.

Celts turn on the style in emphatic win

Gregor Kyle
CELTIC made it three wins in a row and turned on the style in an emphatic, highly entertaining 3-0 victory over Aberdeen.

Up against a side who were coming into this match off the back of a win over Rangers, Celtic dominated from first minute to last, fighting for every ball, forcing all the attacking play and never giving Aberdeen a chance up front.

Scott McDonald opened the scoring and Georgios Samaras got two, and were it not for some great goalkeeping from Jamie Langfield it might have been a lot more.

With Aberdeen packing their midfield, there was initially little room to manoeuvre in a cagey start to the match.

Then, with a sudden burst of pace, Danny Fox found a way through the massed ranks, intercepting the ball on the edge of his own area and sprinting forward before sliding in and testing Langfield with a shot.

This signalled the start of a good spell from Celtic and Aiden McGeady was next to break forward, picking up a clever pass from Marc Crosas on the halfway line and taking it into the Aberdeen box where he fired inches wide.

Georgios Samaras had also been a handful, latching on to one long ball down the left flank from Gary Caldwell and skinning Jerel Ifil. His low cross was then narrowly missed by Scott McDonald, who was squeezed out by Maurice Ross.

There were further chances and close calls for McDonald and Samaras, although this was a tough and thankless task for Celtic, attempting to break down a side who had 10 men behind the ball at all times and were looking to Lee Miller to hold up play as the lone front man.

The visitors made only the occasional foray forward in the opening half hour, with a speculative long-range shot from Miller that looped past the post, their only attempt on goal.

As half time approached, McDonald had another crack, forcing a save from Langfield after some determined play from McGeady. Then, in the 39th minute, they got the breakthrough their play deserved.

It was a beautiful pass from Crosas that unlocked the defence, playing in Andy Hinkel on the right. The German has been one of Celtic’s great providers this season and teed up McDonald who fired the ball in off Langfield.

Although the goal finally forced the visitors onto the front foot, this only left space at the back and Crosas sent one shot spinning wide, while Charlie Mulgrew was booked for a foul on McGeady.

With his side now chasing the game, Mark McGhee changed the approach after the interval, going for four at the back, with Peter Pawlett taking up a more advanced role, just behind Miller.

However, it was a case of more of the same for Celtic and no sooner had Aberdeen cleared a Gary Caldwell header off the line, than Samaras had peeled away from Jerel Ifil and headed home a perfectly placed chip from McGeady.

Then, just seconds later, Ifil rounded off a miserable afternoon with a straight red card, stupidly kicking Samaras after he had been fouled.

Having struggled to create and cause problems for Celtic, this moment of idiocy effectively crushed the visitors’ hopes of taking anything from the game and provided further incentive for Mowbray’s men, with Samaras forcing a great save from Langfield and Crosas coming close with a shot from 25 yards.

With the home support in full voice and the team in full flow, Celtic had chances to add to their lead, with Samaras heading wide, Glenn Loovens coming close with a header and the outstanding McGeady forcing a good save from the busy Langfield.

The procession continued when Loovens saw a header cleared off the line and Crosas played a clever one-two and almost teed-up Marc Antoine Fortune and although Aberdeen were down to 10 men, they never really got a look-in during the 90 minutes.

It might even have turned into a rout, with Robson forcing another great save from Langfield, NGuemo dancing through the defence and cracking a shot off the post and McGinn also clipping the woodwork.

As it transpired, it was Samaras who had caused Aberdeen no end of problems throughout the match who added the third, persevering to tap the ball past Langfield under pressure.

Meanwhile, at the opposite end of the park, Artur Boruc, who was making his first appearance after injury since October 22, never had a save to make.

It was an excellent all-round performance from Celtic, with every man playing their part and, with this the final game home game before Christmas and a difficult run of away games coming up, it was one that will only heighten the growing confidence within the team.

Goals goals goals.

The build up for the first one.

Pfyar,

Yep, He's hard but fair in that when he goes for a tackle he gets the ball. Decision making at the back is good and more important to TM he can play football.

Kojo...spot on....we (our Board) need to be very careful over the next few years....this recession is nowhere near over, and we need to ensure we don't go into debt at all......the banks will not treat us like the rankers, no chance....as has already been witnessed !!!.......we need to SUPPORT the existing team to ensure another GOD....and..... trust the Board to look after our money, (and the fans to look after the media....He He..!!)....let's bombard them with positive spins on Celtic, of which there are plenty....that will put them in a spin, like the guy did on Friday night on the phone-in...he was brilliant !!!!

e.g.....if they want to compare Fat/hooligan Boyd with Henrik, put DD onto them .....!!!

blantyretim

Are they fans though?

Or customers?

'I've paid for my seat and demand to be entertained otherwiswe I'll sit on my hands. Now entertain me.'

That's the attitude of most people who attend CP.

I saw the Celtic Park Boycott a few years ago, in the oooooooooollllllllllllllllllle Burns Howff.

What a waste of Tims and money that was.

Call me old fashioned but I enjoyed the game yesterday. I thought the team played well, and would not have been flattered if the final score had been 9-0.

I have my own views on the current board's performance;I don't allow them to get in the way of my tiny contribution to Celtic, which is to be the best supporter I can.

When I cleared my dad's house I came across the Willie Maley biography [by DW Potter], I'm reading it just now and it reinforces the conclusion that through the efforts of the likes of Mr Maley Celtic are the greatest club in the World.

[discuss]

If you know the history.. the phrase that sums up Celtic so well.

Our current difficulties are not new and mere haemorrhoids compared to the heartache we've known previously.

i put a short video of the goals on last night with the promise of extended highlights to come................

well , here ya go , ideal for any overseas tims, enjoy.

Celtic 3-0 Aberdeen

Gil wrote...

Danny-you are so wrong about 94...

Gil, you're wasting your time.

Danny probably couldn't even "spell" Celtic in 94, never mind experience the joy to have witnessed such luminaries as Willie Falconer, Carl Muggleton, Wayne Biggins, Frank Munro, Willie Garner, John Weir, Roy Kay, Brian Whittaker, etc. donning the hoops, until Fergus saved us.

He's now on a one-man protest that benefits 11 other SPL teams in Scotland at the expense of 1 team.

fleagle

barcabhoy

You're quite right, I'd forgotten about Feyenoord. To answer your question, I have no idea but I doubt it.

EN @9:19

It looks likely that Boyd will be the SPL top scorer before long, but if all the media sees is that statistic then they're missing the far bigger picture.

SwanseaBhoy

Old Monkland myself..

City Bakeries was a regular place for me to be taken in my youth also, the wee tables up through the back.

Hail hail

TinyTim no one i ganging up on anyone. I think everyone are just trying to understand his posts. We have a great Celtic supporter telling us not to spend money with the club but spend money going to our rivals. Then complaing our club dont spend enough...Now if Monty Python did a sketch .....

You should ask him to go for a pint at Motherwell with you on Saturday as he will be a right good laugh ..

Im looking to buy a table for the cup game are you intersted

Ernie

most of the fans are the same ones who attend every week.

I agree that there isn't enough of an atmosphere but it is a 2 way thing.

TinyTim-Danny does make a good few points, but his methods of expressing his views-ie giving his money to Rangers, Hearts et al instead of Celtic, are misguided at best. The situation between 94 and now is so different that they are almost incomparable. Guys like my Dad who were around in the 50s & early 60's pre-Stein have a laugh at the current 'crisis'. Even back to 94, the fans didn't desert the team. Fans brought up in a diet of success after success find it very difficult to adjust to a downturn. To paraphrase an old saying 'If we'd had it easy, we wouldn't have had to struggle. If we hadn't struggled, we wouldn't be so strong'

Barca first one springs to mind..

Mark Sparky Hughes.

Man U
Barca
Chelski
BAyern
Everton

Prob more if you look hard enough

This might surprise some people, but there was actual singing heard from areas that weren't 111 yesterday. Imagine that!

DD.....have you ever heard of unemployment, or people being careful with their money during a recession......the 'family' comes first...(with Celtic a close second, of course...!!!)...few empty seats at a few stadiums recently ?????

Robert tressell 8.50

That is a great suggestion.

I know that the credit crunch has a bearing on the downturn in attendances ,but i believe Celtics are down even more that our competitors, due to the disillussionment of fans.

rdk7-Chelsea & Everton have never been European Champions-CWC yes but not the big cup.

blantyretim

Once upon a time, and a very long time ago it was, if things weren't going well on the parch the Celtic fans urged the players to do better.

That doesn't happen now.

What happens now is that if the players play well the fans express their appreciation.

We've stopped supporting the team.

We now appreciate them.

blantyretim

Once upon a time, and a very long time ago it was, if things weren't going well on the pitch the Celtic fans urged the players to do better.

That doesn't happen now.

What happens now is that if the players play well the fans express their appreciation.

We've stopped supporting the team.

We now appreciate them.

dbbia

Another good post from you today. Like you I also enjoyed the game and enjoyed the good craic with the guys around me.

A couple of youngsters, about 5 or 6 year olds, close to my seat attended their first game yesterday. I believe they had a great time.

For me they more than made up for the absence of someone who should know better.

rdk7

Aye? Me too. Brandon Street (just off Marshall St and Cuparhead Ave) - not there anymore. Renamed anyway.

Been on my travels since '94 - Denny, Rutherglen, Stockton on Tees, Harrogate, Swansea and currently Chester. Old Monkland remains the centre of the Universe however.

SwanseaBhoy

On the football front

Aiden was again very good yesterday.His early release of cross balls hurt Aberdeen.

The first goal was very reminiscent of the great goal scored by Macca on New years day 1988 against the Darnel.

"It takes a pass from Paul,
a cross from Chris,
We do the McAvennie and we take the piss.
Oh! Frankie McAvennie.
Oh! Frankie McAvennie.

Ernie Lynch

it also has a lot to do with not being with your mates,
if you start to shout and nobody else does you feel like a tube, get funny looks etc....

the support are different, I agree

Times Past

I'll never go back to see Celtic,
until all my demands are met,
want them ticked off from my list,
pilot on the runway, with jet.

Why would I want to support them,
what, you think they are my team,
they don't do what I tell them,
I want them to live, my dream.

Don't care if they spend too much money,
get the wallet out, let them pay,
cries of we can't afford it,
ignore them, lets do it, my way.

Create the debt to a mountain,
buy players just on a chance,
back to the time before Fergus,
remember the tune that we danced.

Come now fans and support me,
listen hard when I shout,
bankruptcy and insolvent,
the old boards what it's about.

William Topaz Serenity

Gil-Heron

Didnt realise it wasl european cup, thought it was just european trophies.

Ill try again.....

Seedorf with Milan, Ajax & Madrid
Van der Sar played for Ajax, Juve & Man U

Can't thjonk of anymore-too tired.

rdk7 - Think we all know the SPL is second rate ,but dont forget it was only a couple of weeks back we were worried about finishing in the top 3 ,never mind winning it. I'm hopefull we've turned the corner and its felt good being a tim the last week. But you know it would only take a couple of defeats for us to be all on here venting our spleens ,hence the paranoia from me, DD and Eustice P. it's not because we're huns,we just dont want the board resting on their laurels and repeating history. If everbody had the same opinion,this blog would be a boring love in full of appoligists.

Barcabhoy 9.31

I cant think of another player with four clubs who have won the big cup never mind five, plenty with three though.

EN

Dean Saunders has four with Villa, Liverpool, Forest and Benfica.

Christian Vieri must be there or thereabouts. He's played for Milan, Inter, Juve and at least 20 other clubs.

First chance to post since the game at the weekend.

Delighted for Samaras. He was outstanding and the only disappointment for me that he didnt get his hat trick. He's not had it easy recently and has been on the wrong end of some horrific abuse from sections of the support but has kept the head down and plugged away to get his form back.

I hope he doesnt leave in the January window as I can definately seen signs of a great player in him.

Rest of the team did really well also especiallour much maligned defence. Many times we've heard how our centre halfs particularly Caldwell cant handle big centre forards but on Saturday Lee Miller never got a look in.

Things looking good but I'll refrain from predictions of dominance till after Fir Park and Tynecastle. Maximum points from these two games and we'll be in good shape.

rdk7 & swanseabhoy

Did you ever have the delights of the Lunchtime special - Half Vienna and Chips.

play

Mac1888

You say Apologists I say people who maintain perspective in the face of a few dropped points.

Why the need for pejorative language to describe fellow Celtic Fans?

SwanseaBhoy

I never got to see the game against Aberdeen, but when I saw the score I was well chuffed. After reading the match thread I was even more so, because of the apparent manner of our win. Then thanks to bigjie I managed to see the goals. Not quite the same as seeing the game itself and not an adrenaline patch, by a long stretch of the imagination, in lieu of being in Paradise in person. But my outlook on my day, which I always try hard to be positive, was enhanced with a wee warm glow. Try to explain that glow to a non-supporter of a sporting club and you may just be wasting your breath and time.

That glow is not a measure of your passion for your club it is merely an indicative personal barometer of how much satisfaction you derived from any particular result on any given match day. I like that glow, I like to drag it out from one game to the next. It is narcotic and as such I have to put my hand up and admit an addiction to that glow. It is a subconscious high that gives me a pleasant outlook on life and no test has yet evolved to capture its essence, it presence, or its psychological proof. Sometimes the inane grin on your face and the compelling need to punch the sky as you make your way to a mixed workplace on a Monday morning gives you away, but then how hard were you really trying to conceal it anyway. I don’t try and explain my addiction to philistines as often as I used to, but I do feel smugly vindicated when others publicly admit to sharing the same need for that high as I.

Conversely, we all suffer the same withdrawals when it is not forthcoming. For whatever reason, whether it be a better team has gubbed us, whether a ref has mugged us or whether our clubs hero’s took a day off, whatever, if we don’t get the result we thought was just and fair, we all feel in part hollow. We can in the extreme grieve like we have lost a loved one. And all because our team didn’t deliver us the fix we craved. But we get by… until the next game, we get by and we again, individually and collectively, will our club to strive to give us - that day - our… glow. And as Celtic supporters we know both the glow and the hollows only too well.

We're on the one road
Sharing the one load
We're on the road to God knows where
We're on the one road
It may be the wrong road
But we're together now who cares
North men, South men, comrades all
Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Donegal
We're on the one road swinging along
Singing a soldier's song

I always loved that song, I still love that song. I hope somebody is there to sing it when I leave this world.

It is defiant in adversity and unifying in celebration. When my wee glow is inexplicably threatened, I tend to find myself singing that song in my head. After a better than good result against Aberdeen at the weekend, I now find myself defiantly singing those words rather than reveling in the glow.

There is something not just right about that.

Sometimes there are many strangers on the same road that we take to god knows where, they want to go to the party but they just don’t want to get in the mood.

play.....

never sampled but regularly heard of its legendary status

HH

Can somoene repost the quiz question as I cantr find it

Michael Collins

Fully agree. There's a real player in Sammi. Let's continue to support him.

we have a different perspective ? then.

PF ayr

Apologies for interrupting your contretemps with the Prodigal Son but I see no mention of your man Salita, is it possible that you and he both, are suffering from some kind of amnesia? Or should that be aphasia?

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..WGS.

Pal.. Celtic, at this time, are scouring the High ways, the Byways, and even the Subways.. alook look lookin', fur,

Bargains.

I have every confidence that Mr. Mowbray,wull find at least Wan.

Unlike, our erstwhile manager, Mr.Mowbray, DOES have a knack in unearthing, the odd Bargain..the only one, that Mr. Strachan collared, was, Naka.

Out of his First Three Imports, Mr.Mowbray has struck soldid Gold.

Master Nguemo, will prove to be a WORLD CLASS Import.

One outa Three.. Ain't so bad!

The Other Two players that he has acquired are..

So Sos... but, no matter.

So, if Mr. Mowbray can Sustain the Batting Average of .333, then he shall be on his way, to become a Celtic Hall of Famer.. and Join the Illustrious Ranks of Famous Celtic Managers of the Past..

They wur/ur, no too many, noo, that Ah think aboot it!

Nevahtheless..

If Mr.Mowbray,manages tae keep up that Selection rate of .333, then he wull soon build for us, a world class team.

So..

I am confident that Mr. Mowbray wull hiv one or two Xmas Presents, fur us.. which he wull deliver.. during the upcoming, Jan. Windae.

Kojo.
yer pal...who likes ye a loater.

DontbrattbackinangerAuthor Profile Page on December 6, 2009 9:36 PM

I am fortunate to have a first edition of Willie Maley's, "Story of the Celtic", which my grandfather bought for my father when it was published in 1939.

It chronicles the story of the club from it's inception until 1938.

In my mind, it is the definitive book on Celtic's origins and it somewhat amuses me when I read of some of the skewed views of Celtic's history that gets posted here and elsewhere.

What about Ronald Koeman.

PSV
AJAX
FEYNOORD
BARCELONA

Michael Collins

Sammi was a stand out yesterday but lets face it mate hes been fully deserving of the abuse hes taken. His attitude at times is disrespectful to the supporters and his team mates. However, if he keeps playing the way he did yesterday that abuse will rapidly disappear.

playfusbal...

Genuinely laughed out loud there.

Half Vienna and chips saw me through my secondary education at Columba. Down the precinct at The Royal when I was at the Annexe (pre Time capsule) and round the Whifflet when we went to the Main Building.

But it was Dalziels that did them was it not?

Anyway, they were Braw.

SwanseaBhoy

Kojo
Boruc was signed by Strachan was he not?

and i think

Jaap Stam

Man Utd
Milan
Ajax
PSV

WGS

Didn't you tip Dawson for Celtic?

hamiltontim
"fully deserving of the abuse hes taken"
No Celtic player or any footballer for that matter should receive abuse from their own fans. Sammi deserved criticism for his haphazard performances but abuse from abusers sitting near you gets right up my nose lad.

hamiltontim - I agree he was looking lethargic and clumsy earlier in the season,even though we all know how talented he is .I dont know whats happened ,maybe we Peter G lost the plot with him and the rest of them in the dressing room and told them what it means to play for the Hoops :)

I believe that the Jerseys are fitting a few of the players much better now!!

Hail!Hail!

Donegal resident.

Spot on. No Celtic player should be abused...ever.

greenlion

any players who have played for 4 or 5 clubs to have won the Champions league

i think that is what it is, thats what im answering....

Elliot , saunders ,cascariono

rocco@8.11

think I answered that before...

van hoydonk

rocco..

think I gave it chapter and verse in a mail..

sure they are only 3 though

Did Wild West aka Inkybhoy win journalism's equivalent of the X factor yet, or has he been consigned to the dustbin of history , like Jedward?

Mac1888

Yip, we do have a different perspective.

Why the need for the pejorative language to describe fellow Celtic fans?

Am I an Apologist?

I might be the guy you're hugging and bouncing up and down with when we score the winner on 3rd January.

SwanseaBhoy

Dontbrattbackinanger at 9:36 PM

Nice homage to your dad. God rest him. He will be very proud of you.

As regards Willie Maley making Celtic the best club in the world, I agree and disagree (since you invited discussion).

This is in Celtic’s DNA. It has something to do with being set up to be a bridge between peoples at the end of the nineteenth century, and then football spreading all over the planet for precisely that reason in the twentieth.

Walfrid foresaw this, acknowledging without doubt a wee nod from the Holy Spirit (for this is how the Holy Spirit works). Then, the football side of things fell into the hands of people such as Willie Maley, who understood the import of this vision and shared the desire behind it.

It will interest you, others I don't know, to know that after many emails to Tablero Deportivo on Radio Nacional de España, they finally called me back tonight.

Last night, they were rounding up the European leagues and said Rangers were top of the top flight in Scotland after beating Falkirk 1-3. I emailed them right away to say that Rangers' lead had been very shortlived and that the Bhoys were back on top.

They emailed back and asked for a phone number and called me this evening at half time in the game between Villarreal and Getafe. I said the friendship that had grown up between Villarreal and Celtic, although unusual, was what football was meant to be about. Because we go out into the world with that idea firmly implanted in all of us, experiences like the Villarreal one are in keeping with the norm for us.

Onésimo Sánchez, a total and complete Real Valladolid hero, an Aiden McGeadyesque player who was so good, he went ON LOAN from Valladolid to Barcelona (Valladolid knew he had to play at a higher level, but couldn't bear to part with him on a permanent basis), was on the programme. He said: “That's exactly what makes football so beautiful.”

Their man in Villarreal came on to say that the sight of Celtic and Villarreal fans playing each other at football and, later, sharing enormous dishes of paella, would live with him for ever. And that, when Villarreal went to Celtic Park, and the announcement over the loudspeaker that that night’s opponents were Villarreal should inspire a standing ovation from the home crowd … the man in Villarreal said the hairs on the back of his neck were standing up. He added that he knew, from speaking to Villarreal supporters, that Celtic fans had travelled from Glasgow to lend their support when Villarreal played in Manchester in the same Champions’ League group.

I didn't say that if a club's supporters regard trips abroad as a chance to emphasise what sets them apart, it's bound to lead to antagonism.

It seems simple when you put it down in black and white, but Willie Maley was way ahead of his time, bettered only in his visionary status by Brother Walfrid.

Let those of us who love Celtic stay faithful, always and for ever, to this doctrine of unity among peoples. This is what makes Celtic the greatest club in the world. Much credit must go to Mr Maley, but not only to him.

This is my contribution to the discussion you have sought to get going.

Kojo 9.19

Bang On.

This is not the time to go further into Debt.
I think by spending what we already have and not having CL income this season we will make around a £6 million loss this season.

I have fears that the board have appointed a manager who will not fullfill their ambitions.

If this occurs.Then we must question this.

Like many i have spoken to since,when Fortune came on yesterday we were all silently praying he would score ( he was given a rousing roar when he came on).At worst we were just wanting a glimpse that we have been missing something in his game.Hoping that his form was a temporary blip.

I saw nothing to raise my hopes further.

Mogga is to blame.

If Mogga fails,then the board appointed him,so they are to blame.

I obviously want him to succeed.I think that he is a very good human being.
A man amongst men.

I just worry that his football philosophy is not practical for Celtic in the here and now.

Our so-called non spending board have already given him millions.

They are backing him.

hamiltontim

Disagree mate. I was at the game at Hamilton in October and there werer a few fans, one in particular, near to me giving Samaras dogs abuse a lot of it very personal. In a small stadium he could hear a lot of what was said and it was plainly obvious it was getting to him. He certainly didnt deserve this type of abuse and he certainly wasnt the worst player that day.

I'm all for fans having their say on message boards and forums but this type of abuse rubbed into a players face is unhelpful and unnecessary.

hamiltontim

I view it more as hid 'disposition' than his attitude which is his problem.

He has a kind of hangdog expression when things do not work for him which makes it look like he has 'chucked it', others do not seem to get so bothered.

I think he wears his heart on his sleeve a bit, which is great when it is going for him / us.

I loved him charging onto the pitch when warming up and we got the penalty vs Rangers etc, I like the passion he brings.

I think if he is feeling loved valued and appreciated, and is 'on form ' he will be a really good Celtic player.

Sadly at CP most seem to look for people to abuse in the hoops most week rather than cheer.

Hopefully yesterday and 2 wins on the road will cut the team some slack.....and allow them to really flourish.

Donegal and Mac1888

I think this boy could be a star I leapt from my seat at Rugby Park on his debut(and landed on the lady in front of me!) but his attitude has me bemused and at times angry and yes I do believe he deserves criticism so long as it is proportionate and not vindictive. I hope youre right Mac1888 and maybe the Pointer put his finger to some good use and we saw the results on Saturday!

Think I have it - Ronaldo. He has played for PSV, Barca, Real and the 2 Milan clubs. Also big Pierre deserves a mention with 4 - Us, Feyenoord, Forest & Benfica.

I hope that it was not premature,but it was great to read that BBJ was doing well in his fight against Cancer.

Keep fighting it John.

Swanseabhoy,

Was it just the 1 that saw you thru the 4-6 years. Good eating in them. My granny lived on Buchanan Street so it was round there most of the time, then down to Tonny Tango's for a quarter of sweeties. Columba high the days, Eddie Cairns now there was a heedie.

I bow to your superior knowledge on whether it CB or Dalziel's the colestorol has obviously dulled the grey matter.

ma brother now lives in chester and is a fairly frequent visitor to the celtic club/pub. Lovely town.

play

Michael collins
Agree. Serves no purpose. Loved Alan Thompson, abuse he got around me was disgraceful. Almost got a dig in the head for telling a fella to f**k up next to me.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..67th Heaven.

I have no complaints,regarding Donegal Danny's Complaints..

Even his idea, that we should withdraw our financial support of the Team...is a velvet threat.

I know and you Know... and even.. Lou knows.. that Danny's latter suggestion is composed of Smoke and Mirrors.

Danny, will nevah fulfill that suggestion of his.

It is merely stuffing that he has added, in support of alleviating his frustration, of watching His Celtic, in the last Several weeks.. playing, like a bunch of Pussy Willlows.

Imagine..Cetlic, Losing to Dundee Untied.. And those Most Disappointing Tie Games.. against, the Motherwells and other organizations of low class mien.

Personally, I can commiserate with Danny.

Na..

Danny, is a Stand-Up -Guy.

And.. I like him a loater..

Kojo.
yer pal..who likes you a loater, tae.

Remember the Tesco in Bellshill flute band thing?

Any truth in the rumour that staff in Tesco Coatbridge booked their Christmas do in St Pat's Hall and were told to abandon their plans by management?

Surely not?

SwanseaBhoy - I just hate the way me and a few other posters get accused of being hun's etc, because we have different opinions on some aspect's of the way the club is being run.And believe me mate ad happily buy you a pint or 5 if? (when!) we gub they barstewards in January ;)

Edgar Davids 5

Ajax
Milan
Barca
Juve
Inter

Ronaldo 5

PSV
Barcelona
Inter
REal Madrid
Milan

hamiltontim

Yours was a disgraceful contribution. It's written all Samaras' face how the personal abuse affects him.

Celtic 1st.

So were you on the radio then?

Is that the Spanish equivalent of Radio Clyde and were you El Tel O'Neill?

Can we download it as a podcast and hear you putting on the lingo?

Playfusbal-can't say for anywhere else but in Cumbernauld the half vienna was a Dalziel's delicacy. Remember it vividly. Bigger than was decent for a roll n chips!!

Burnley'78

A lot of valid points mate. I really despair at the attitude of fellow 'supporters' who don't seem happy unless theyre venting a spleen at someone in the hoops! I just get p'd off at his seemingly apathetic attitude/disposition when things go against him/us.

Celtic_First

Great story, good to read that.

EN

Blindlemon

Don't ken. I'll look into it and get back to you.

playfusbal

Eddie Cairns boy was in my year. He was a fine heedie.

I've only been in Chester since the Summer and have been in the Celtic club several times. Been made very welcome, not least by Celtic First who is a regular poster on here.

Ah, Tommy Tango's! Now there's a sweetie shop. Used to often see the shop van parked at The Forge on matchdays.

SwanseaBhoy

Estadio Nacional

A sad sorry tale today. I'd picked Fulham, E. stirling, Villarreal, Valencia, Fiorentina and sadly Genoa. Once again a Genoa draw has killed me twice in five days, if it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all. It's all my own fault as I have a soft spot for Genoa as I was there in 1990 for the world cup watching Scotland and then later Ireland. I liked it there not a beautiful city but more akin to Glasgow and Liverpool being depending on the Docks. I was befriended by a couple of Genoa supporters who helped me when I became ill for a couple of days that and they hated Sounness too so I always look for their results since then.

Greenlion 9.38

I might be.

E mail me.

Tiocfaidh Ar La

I would never condone PERSONAL abuse but being critical of a lack of effort and application is a completely different matter.

My dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..Donegal Resident.

You are correct,pal.

Mr.Boruc, was most definitely signed by Mr.Strachan.

So that improves Mr.Strachan's Average a wee bit.

Thanks for reminding me,pal.

Kojo.
yer pal...who likes ye loater