I reckoned Champions League participation was worth circa £22m to Celtic. By contrast, Europa League football will be worth less than a quarter of that. Ancillary income, such as retail and kiosk sales, will also suffer.
The challenge now is to improve the team without that income. This should not be impossible. Malmo managed it, and we’re not in a situation where the bank is hammering at the door. But what should be clear, is that the next five days represent the best chance to strengthen the team for next August’s qualifiers. There’s a notion that the biggest games of our season come early, but we’ve 11 months to plan for 2016’s biggest games.
Three things to remind you about:
Golfers: buy a raffle ticket for £1 to win a round of golf FOR FOUR PEOPLE at the magnificent Aberdour course in Fife. Competition ends on Saturday, get your tickets here!!! It’s offered by Taggsybhoy, in support of the Foundation.
There’s a Mary’s Meals collection from 1pm on the Celtic Way ahead of the game on Saturday. Ideally we’re looking for backpacks, but handtowels (the school kitchens you paid for have handwashing facilities and each child is given their own handtowel), pencils, rulers, etc.
If the kids got new kit for starting school last week, dig out the old stuff and bring it along.
Magners have kindly donated two Premium Seats in the Jock Stein Stand for Saturday’s games. You can win the tickets by answering this question:
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Maybe we should sign the Malmo CEO or manager.
They seem to be doing a good job….with a lot less.
HH
Fanadpatriot
I wasn’t only offending racists but also fascists. That’s ok you will find many joe blog fascists on here.
TURKEYBHOY on 27TH AUGUST 2015 10:15 PM
There’s not a lot in your post I’d disagree with.
Despite being a fan of Commons I think it was the right decision to leave him on the bench on Tuesday night. I do think though that he has much to offer this largely young, inexperienced squad.
I worry you’re proclaiming the likes of Tierney, O’Connell and Janko as heroes when they’re a long way from proving themselves as Celts.
At the moment Tierney isn’t better than Izzy, O’Connell isn’t better than our centre backs and Janko isn’t better than Lustig (when he’s fit!)
In the main we have good players at Celtic and it’s very difficult to be good enough to replace them.
I’d slowly introduce all of those you mentioned over the course of the season.
The Green Man on 27th August 2015 9:56 pm
He could stuff a few old tarts I know,with that beard.They would not care.
Turkeybhoy
I don’t advocate stupid spending….why would I
As for Scott Allen…we shall see.
We can get to this argument later.
HH
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 27TH AUGUST 2015 10:06 PM
Southampton approx transfer spend in two years £92 million pounds.
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Evening BSR
Transfer income in same period was £118m, so net transfer income. They must have a CEO on a bonus for net transfers income. Now that is a novel idea. It will never catch on :-)
HH
CRC
COWIEBHOY on 27TH AUGUST 2015 10:17 PM
Glad you got that off your chest.
Agree with what you…
Roasterrus…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
We are guaranteed 2nd Pot. By the way the “pub team” carrier bag as some clever clogs here labelled them put out the Swizz team 4 nil on aggregate.
Im Looking forward to European Football ,Celtic in Europe suits me…Rather Compete in the E/L han get m ass handed to me in the C/L…simple, we aibt ready to COMPETE in the C/L, until we are, E/L is where we live..
PF
Celtic were embarrassing because they didn’t qualify for the Champions League, and lost 4-3 on aggregate
Really csc
Nothing good is ever going to happen to the magnificent Glasgow Celtic in any endeavor in any way until the current gravy train fascist parasites are surgically removed by Celtic supporters. Real Celtic supporters.
Not the happy clappers
Not the faithful through and through muffles
Not the lord Livingston of Parkhead fascist lovers
I’m talking about CELTIC supporters
Praise be… to Bert Kassies – tomorrow’s Europa League seedings look like this :
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedel2015.html
(scroll to bottom of page)
I want to avoid Rubin Kazan, Napoli, Dnipro (pot 1)
Fenerbahce, Lokomotiv Moscow, Krasnodar (pot 3)
Qarabag, Dinamo Minsk, Gabala (pot 4)
Some cracking potential trips in there… and a few shockers too !
Hail Hail, fleagle1888
For the EPL teams that hover in the lower half of that league, they are guaranteed not to be interested in the Europa League at all, so it should be no surprise that Stoke City declined when they had a choice.
Their pot of gold is at risk in every single EPL game they play because they need to stay up to stay in the money game.
QPR finished 20th in the EPL, got relegated and had Broadcast Revenue of 64.9 million.
Celtic’s TOTAL revenue was 64.7 million.
The vulnerable EPL clubs have to stay in the EPL and will never want to risk that by playing midweek games in Azerbaijan.
We are discussing the possibility that Celtic will get 8 million from the EL.
Southampton’s total revenue was 127 million.
HH
Sorry make that £142m in transfer income for last 2 years
HH
CRC
Burnt soup precipice
No
Celtic were embarrassing because they were shite
Professionally
Shite!
Not wishing to be pedantic but at least 50% of posters keep calling the bhoy Scott Allen, his name is Scott Allan.
Pots for tomorrow’s draw courtesy of Bert
Pot 1 coef. Pot 2 coef.
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Schalke 04 Ger 111.883 Sporting Braga Por 51.776
Borussia Dortmund *3 Ger 99.883 Fiorentina Ita 49.102
FC Basel @4 Sui 84.875 Lazio @4 Ita 49.102
Napoli Ita 84.102 Anderlecht Bel 47.440
Tottenham Hotspur Eng 84.078 Liverpool Eng 47.078
Ajax @3 Ned 66.195 AZ Alkmaar *3 Ned 46.695
Villarreal Esp 58.999 Viktoria Plzen @3 Cze 41.825
Rubin Kazan *3 Rus 57.099 Club Brugge @4 Bel 41.440
Athletic Bilbao *3 Esp 56.999 PAOK Thessaloniki ** Gre 40.880
Sporting CP Lisbon @4 Por 56.276 Celtic @4 Sco 39.080
Olympique Marseille Fra 55.483 Besiktas Tur 36.520
Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Ukr 52.033 APOEL Nicosia @4 Cyp 35.460
Pot 3 coef. Pot 4 coef.
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AS Monaco @4 Fra 31.483 Partizan Belgrade @4 Srb 14.775
Sparta Praha @3 Cze 30.825 Asteras Tripolis Gre 13.380
Fenerbahçe @3 Tur 30.020 Rosenborg BK * Nor 11.875
Legia Warsaw ** Pol 24.800 Garabag Agdam @3 Azb 11.500
Girondins Bordeaux *3 Fra 24.483 Molde FK @3 Nor 10.375
Lokomotiv Moscow Rus 23.099 Dinamo Minsk ** Bls 9.650
Lech Poznan @3 Pol 17.300 FC Groningen Ned 8.695
AS Saint-Étienne *3 Fra 16.983 FC Sion Sui 8.375
Slovan Liberec *3 Cze 16.325 FC Midtjylland @3 Den 7.960
FC Augsburg Ger 15.883 Skënderbeu Korçë @4 Alb 5.575
Rapid Wien @4 Aut 15.635 Gabala FK * Azb 2.750
FK Krasnodar *3 Rus 15.099 Belenenses or Altach *3
Would be happy to avoid Russian, Ukrainian and Azerbijan teams (travel and weather) in tomorrow’s draws (including old pals Qarabag and twins Qabala )
Would take Spurs, St Etienne and Groeningen in a heart beat – decent competition, travel, weather – and chances. Roll on High Noon – hope springs eternal !
If we never qualify for the CL we will never engather the finances to be ready for it
Cowiebhoy
Good post.
….PFayr supports WeeOscar on 27th August 2015 10:36 pm
And if we do the money we earn will be stuck in the Savings Account…just saying…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Pot 1 : athletic Bilbao
Pot 2 : Celtic
Pot 3 : St Ettiene
Pot 4 : Groningen
There ye go….
All the best players want to play in the EPL for the money and fame etc. So we’re never going to keep these guys. Our best chance is to try and sign the best Scottish players and pay them big money. I mean even ones we missed like Rhodes, Robertson, the Fletchers etc. I think guys like Long and Coleman and McGeady could be put in the same bracket. This would give continuity but also a really good team.
We’ve done the sell-on thing. We’re all a bit bored with it now. We still buy our season tickets but it gets harder for dads to get our kids to go.
( How fekin idiotic is it that we don’t have summer football? Next door to the Epl and we open for business at the same time as them and it’s freezing ).
Anyway it’s great being a tim
HH
Tomorrow’s seedings…
Seeding pot 1
Germany Schalke 04 CC: 111.883
Germany Borussia Dortmund CC: 99.883
Switzerland Basel CC: 84.875
Italy Napoli CC: 84.102
England Tottenham Hotspur CC: 84.078
Netherlands Ajax CC: 66.195
Spain Villarreal CC: 58.999
Russia Rubin Kazan CC: 57.099
Spain Athletic Bilbao CC: 56.999
Portugal Sporting CP CC: 56.276
France Marseille CC: 55.483
Ukraine Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk CC: 52.033
Seeding pot 2
Portugal Braga CC: 51.776
Italy Fiorentina CC: 49.102
Italy Lazio CC: 49.102
Belgium Anderlecht CC: 47.440
England Liverpool CC: 47.078
Netherlands AZ CC: 46.695
Czech Republic Viktoria Plzeň CC: 41.825
Belgium Club Brugge CC: 41.440
Greece PAOK CC: 40.880
Scotland Celtic CC: 39.080
Turkey Beşiktaş CC: 36.520
Cyprus APOEL CC: 35.460
Seeding pot 3
France Monaco CC: 31.483
Czech Republic Sparta Prague CC: 30.825
Turkey Fenerbahçe CC: 30.020
Poland Legia Warsaw CC: 24.800
France Bordeaux CC: 24.483
Russia Lokomotiv Moscow CC: 23.099
Poland Lech Poznań CC: 17.300
France Saint-Étienne CC: 16.983
Czech Republic Slovan Liberec CC: 16.325
Germany Augsburg CC: 15.883
Austria Rapid Wien CC: 15.635
Russia Krasnodar CC: 15.099
Seeding pot 4
Serbia Partizan CC: 14.775
Greece Asteras Tripoli CC: 13.380
Portugal CF Os Belenenses CC 12.276 (1-0 up with 30mins left)
Norway Rosenborg CC: 11.875
Azerbaijan Qarabağ CC: 11.500
Norway Molde CC: 10.375
Belarus Dinamo Minsk CC: 9.650
Netherlands Groningen CC: 8.695
Switzerland Sion CC: 8.375
Denmark Midtjylland CC: 7.960
Albania Skënderbeu Korçë CC: 5.575
Azerbaijan Gabala CC: 2.750
Warburton’s Rangers: based on Barcelona
A headline from today/FFS.
While the Lunkhead Celtic fans moan and whinge about a possible treble,a possible good run in the Europa League,we are getting this from a team who have beaten,Airdrie,Peterhead,Ayr,Alloa,and a teenage St Mirren side
Hibs should have put around 5 in their net,no exaggeration,and yet there are some on here who do read this and slaughter Celtic.The DR gave credence,since retracted to 9,from one Enlish loanee,I think,who said it was possible that the Huns could score 27 goals in one game !!!!!!!!.FFS.
Get a grip.We have a great chance of the treble,again,no matter what they try and tell us,and if we get a run in the Europa,if the fans turn up,fek them.
In the last 5 years (up to May 2014), in simple terms Celtic have made a cumulative net profit after tax of £12m (£21m profit has been generated in last 2 years, with a loss of £9m in the preceeding 3 years)
Let’s dispel the myth that our strategy recently has been to spend every penny we bring in.
HH
CRC
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Fenerbache,or Asteras(Greece)great for me.Turks are mince,dont know about the Greeks,but I will be there.
Lennbhoy
I have plenty more I could say :-)
I actually spoke to a CQNr today, who is critical of the way we play and team structure, he doesn’t want to post it due to poor standard of responses he would receive – sad
Another thing I would add
I do Not believe our failure to qualify last 2 years has cost us £30 – 50m
Figures being quoted for this year Champions league would have got us around £22m against EL getting us £9m so a £13m shortfall this year
Last year was less, as prize money not as great
So failure on last 2 seasons has cost us just over £20m ? In my humble opinion
Still significant though, and questions on why should be answered
Theglasgowcelticway
I honestly think I watched several SPL teams play us better last season than Malmo played against us, they were not a good team – my opinion, and respect yours
Hail Hail
Pot 1, anyone
Pot 3, St Ettiene, Bordeaux, or Liberenc
Pot 4, Groningen, Rosenberg, or Molde.
Please uefa
Fanad
Problem is it don’t work that way, I agree with you.
It’s the way of the modern game, players are chosen for the coach, if it doesn’t work out, get rid of the coach, it’s cheaper and easier than getting rid, or changing the players every time the coach is punted.
It’s been the way on the continent for yonks, and it’s been the way at Celtic for some time now, I personally don’t think it’s a bad thing, but I get iritated when people say the manager has the final; say when he patently doesn’t.
HH
haven’t been on since we were Malmö’d – thank God for Barra FC
knowing us the group will be
Ajax
Celtic
Legia Warsaw
FC Sion
Hamiltontim, did you get the letter ok? Any questions just email me.
HH
Ellboy at 9:55 pm
“Sorry I think I am misunderstanding you here, as Virgil has not played champions league football before. Was your point not to do with signing newbie’s and not playing “Champions league hardened players”?”
We were talking about gambling in CL qualification ties. VVD had played in two previous CL qualification campaigns. This was his 3rd such experience, his 9th CL qualifying tie. He had also played in our 2013/14 Group stages against Barca Milan and Ajax.
“Not really a funny way at all as you suggested the possibility of him getting injured.
I suppose you have proof of us factoring in or to use my word planning for this very scenario?”
The proof is that he was not sold before the tie. Unless that was a whim or an oversight, then it was planned. You started by asking why wait to sell him. I provided scenarios and reasons for doing so. That’s all you asked for.
“Johansen would fetch only half of what VVD will bring
There’s the 50% shortfall right there, you’ve identified it yourself. Oh and of course the players brought in would also have a resale value of some sort.”
Yes but you have now sold an averagely talented first team pick and you might still have a disgruntled VVD who wants higher wages or a club with a better chance in CL. You cannot assume that if we sell one of the chorus that the lead singer will want to stay.
The re-sale value depends on whether they were a success. How much did the £5m buy Scheidt go for?
“An “understanding”, you say? And that would have kept him focused? As I understand it, such an “understanding’ was already in place and yet VVD had a poor-ish game.”
So what are you suggesting here? Should we have sold him early in the window and bought more focused players?
No, I am suggesting that, there is an upside and a downside to each decision. There is no win:win. There is no guarantee. There are no no brainers.
I don’t really see your issue here at all. We already have an understanding with Virgil and this has no bearing whatsoever on speculating a future transfer fee.
It was your suggestion to sell him. My preference was to keep him and play him. He seemed focused enough in the previous 5 CL qualification ties but in the Malmo away tie, along with 9 or 10 other team mates, he did not show up. You can speculate that your unspecified replacement would have done better and, in that “what if” scenario, I cannot prove that you will have been wrong and you cannot prove that you would have been right. I can point to players brought in as early replacements, such as Moyokoulo in Karagandy, that were very poor and so is evidence against your contention but I am sure we could find some more rare instances of CL debutants hitting the ground running for Celtic.
“And yet it remains a better option than making things worse, which was my point. I don’t doubt the legitimacy of the concerns. My doubt is about the cocksuredness of the remedy proposed.”
How would spending money we could easily raise make things worse? I’d argue we made things worse by punting Matthews as soon as the window opened.
I think we both agree on not over stretching ourselves and anyone who thinks we should be spending money we don’t have is plainly wrong (Though I don’t see many of those on this blog).
However it’s clear we lack ambition, you may not agree with this assessment but spending net £1mil this summer, is not the actions of an ambitious club.
When you have got a guy up frot like LG, who’s no better than Kenny MIller- how are you supposed to unpick the locks of the cream of European football?
No equivalent Naka or Lubo- no magic from anyone, nae wee dinks with the outside of the boot to set up something special, no reverse pass which no-one seen which unlocks a defence and leads to a goal.
Celtic were out as soon as the name Malmo emerged from the hat.
Can we play Qarabag again?
The EL group stages will not be easy regardless of who we are drawn against. Not wanting to seem overly pessimistic but there are a number of teams In pots 1-3 who are more than capable of causing us major problems. Probably hold our own against those in pot 4. My hope and optimism were completely drained shortly after Malmo’s 1st goal on Tuesday evening.
Celticrollercoaster
Evening
Southampton have got money to burn and can cherry pick Celtic’s best players, but couldn’t beat a team called Midtjylland (no me neither)
It’s not a question of them being bad ( the same as Celtic ) but proof positive that despite buying and recycling millions of ££££’s in transfers (we don’t have access to) yet over two legs in European Cup Tie football you can lose to a side that scored twice, with only four attempts on goal.
The PL bonus is set by others at Celtic too highly IMHO, but is non sequitur in relation to what footballers we buy, and how we afford the link to the wage that the transfer fee creates.
Quiz time
Who said this?
“Our commitment as a board has been that every penny that comes in will be reinvested back into the club. That is a fact.”
Cannot be true, as fact is in lower case :-)
HH
CRC