TITLE: Carling take the logo off kids strips AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/09/2008 12:17:00 PM ----- BODY: Coors Brewers today announced that their Carling logo will be withdrawn from children’s sizes of Celtic and Rangers shirts from this summer. The drinks industry recently agreed to withdraw sponsorship branding from children’s clothing form 2010, however Coors, together with Celtic and Rangers decided to move two years early, unlike Carlsberg and Liverpool, who have insisted that the Danish drinks brand will appear on children’s Liverpool strips until the agreement comes into effect. Mark Hunter, who only returned to the UK from Canada to become Coors Brewers CEO in October 2007, said Coors hope to ensure, “that sponsorship is not improperly targeted at people under legal drinking age – this initiative underlines that aim - and using the combination of one of the UK’s leading brands and football to promote responsible consumption by adults. “Beer brands can play a very important role in championing responsible enjoyment of alcohol. It is one thing to make people aware of responsible consumption – the far bigger challenge is to motivate people to follow the advice.” Unbranded children’s Celtic shirts have been available, if requested, since the Carling sponsorship deal began in 2003, unlike Carlsberg, who have insisted that all Liverpool children’s kit carries their logo. Hunter, who was a player with St Mirren when Sir Alex Ferguson was boss, appears to have an unusually high level of uncommon sense. It has always irked me that fans in expensive seats are allowed to drink alcohol inside the stadium before and after games, without serious incident, but the police and football authorities prohibit the sale of alcohol to those in the cheaper seats. Is the implication that alcohol induces a different response in poorer people than in the wealthy? This is nonsense; alcohol does not lead to trouble in the expensive seats because it is served in a civilised, controlled, environment. The current rules were formed a quarter of a century ago when notions about the working man and alcohol had changed little since gin first. Responsible drinking at sports stadiums is an understood concept in the US and Canada.

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BigSwee COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:20 COMMENT-BODY:You can get adults without em too -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:21 COMMENT-BODY:Can we put UNICEF on the kids Shirts??? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PedroCelt COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:21 COMMENT-BODY:More bevvy now please! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lennondinho18 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:22 COMMENT-BODY:Mon the Drink

I'll have a bottle of Corona please Paul shun -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:24 COMMENT-BODY:Although you'd need strong drink to anaesthetise some of what we've had to sit through this season the events at last Saturday's game suggest that not even TGFITW can be relied upon to keep a lid on their emotions. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigSwee COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:25 COMMENT-BODY:I certainly think if there was a controlled environment to enable fans to drink a beer or two within the stadium you would see crowds into the match earlier and would provide a significant revenue boost to the corporate coffers also.

I wouldn't fancy hanging about in the concourse under the North Stand but with some re-working during the close season I'm sure they could provide additional access to various lounges etc. Again these could be controlled using the SMART Cards as suggested in the previous pie debate. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:26 COMMENT-BODY:Paul 67,

As mentioned, I have always admired Barca's UNICEF Logo and they pay a contribution to UNICEF also I believe. Can we use the Kids' shirts for something similar?

If not, can the SSM use this Blank canvas for another Logo, i.e. sell the space to Marlboro??? Not really but you see what I mean?

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:29 COMMENT-BODY:I expect they could sell watered down beer the same way as they serve up watered down Sprite. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheLeftWinger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:32 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,

I'm sure P8ddy previously commented both on the advertising of alcohol to our younger fans, and the imbalance relating to the 'expensive' seats being allowed to drink before games and at half-time.

I wonder if we'll here from him today..........

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Boltonbhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:33 COMMENT-BODY:dbbia - from the previous thread. If my memory serves me correctly I think that the referee in queston was a Mr J Callaghan. He awarded Celtic 2 penalties in the 1965/66 League Cup Final. It is my understanding that Rangers complained about his performance after the game and that just about put an end to his career as a ref.

Like cadizzy I too wish I was too young to remember Mr RH Davidson. If you think the refs today are bad you never got to see him perform. It is a well reported tale in Airdrie that he was heard to say on more than one occasion that "If it is up to me they (Celtic) will win nothing". He was as good as his word - believe me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:34 COMMENT-BODY:Carling ..... Starling ... dont get me started PAUL67 :-)

Seems a smart move. The french outlets will see a drop in Sales ... Sacre Bleu

Shirts sponsorship news always reminds me of when my dad in eighties had me going for a week that Celtic had accepted TAMPAX as
their new shirt sponsor. I was living in Surrey at the time and it wasn´t like it is today when you could easily check these things.

It begs the question if they offered a 10% increase on what Coors were would we accept ?

Every avenue of bringing in commercial revenue should be explored ... although we may get sued if we were to say that we have wings as we never use them.

I think if we were to ditch shirt sponsorship and replace it with the slogan "legalize it" next to an adapted green shamrock ... we´d be looking to buy Lionel Messi -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:37 COMMENT-BODY:So is this the end of the Strachan out discussion for a while (First time in 3 years but.....

What's the craic with that Bobo Balde character???? :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:37 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:40 COMMENT-BODY:Sacre verte!- Mme Sarkozy stroking her pu... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:44 COMMENT-BODY:celtic treatment room -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:50 COMMENT-BODY:Lennondinho, until your chosen brand start putting money into Celtic, I’ll refrain.

AbMucker, :-0

The Unicef deal was the greatest stroke in sports sponsorship, how to increase the value of your other sponsorship real estate by giving something away.

I reckon we would have to go into such a move with both feet.

DBBIA, I had my finger hovering over the delete key there. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:53 COMMENT-BODY:I think it's a great idea to have the sponsors logo removed from the kids strips. The strips look better without the logo. It's just a pity we must have a sponsor as the thought of a plain hooped strip unblemished, like the one we had in the early nineties, is a good one. I realise though that we must have one.

On the drinking inside the stadium debate, I'm all for it. I would imagine it could be workable through using your smartcard as others have suggested. I realise there could be a problem if someone loans their card to an underage fan but then they must face up to having their ticket confiscated if they do get caught.

I attended the friendly with Newcastle this year and was surprised to see drink being sold (it was my first time attending a game in England). I know time has moved on, but to compare the reputations of the Scottish and English fans and to think that we cannot have a beer and they can it doesn't seem right. I personally wouldn't have a beer on most occasions as I drive to the matches but surely nowadays it should be OK. It's not as if those who want to get smashed won't if drink is unavailable at the ground. They'll just get it outside (or sneak in their Buckfast like those along the row from me).

Paul, my friends, my dad and I have always wondered if having another Social Club in the area behind the Celtic End would be a good idea, say where the disused ash football park is. Do you think this would be a viable proposition? Only open it on match days and all income would be going straight to the Club. There used to be a couple of pubs nearby that have closed (I remember standing outside 'The Grange' every match for what seemed like hours when I was wee!) presumably because they couldn't maintain their business only on Celtic supporter income. Just a thought. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:54 COMMENT-BODY:Abmucker

I take it that's yourself that posted on the 'Strachan Must Go' Bebo site? I thought I recognised the name! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:55 COMMENT-BODY:Boltonbhoy & DBBIA...

The referee who awarded Celtic 2 penalties in the 1965 League Cup Final was Hugh Phillips.

Jim Callaghan was the referee who Rangers complained about after a League Cup section match in August 1969 at Celtic Park.

John Hughes (Yogi) had already been booked when he decked Willie Johnston right in front of the jungle.

The referee missed the off the ball incident however the linesman didn't and spoke to Callaghan who in turn spoke to John Hughes but didn't send him off.

Celtic won 1-0 and qualified as winners of the section.

Rangers complained to the SFA and Callaghan, who was a UEFA list referee, was suspended and subsequently downgraded.

Rangers' actions effectively ended his career.

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Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:55 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker, I would guess that we'll be back on the manager debate before I've finished this overpriced sandwich from Pret.

When I was a kid replica shirts were not as common or de riguer as they are today but I recall that we all wanted a shirt that was EXACTLY the same as the ones worn by the players. At the risk of sounding irresponsible, won't some kids rather have the logo "because Aiden's got one on his shirt" Also, what about the 16 and 17 year olds? They won't want to wear their shirts on matchdays since they'll not get served in the pub of the off sales "Honest, missus, ah'm 18" "That's naw whit yer shirt says son. Noo oan yer bike"

I suppose I am a bit sceptical about the whole Drinkaware thing in general and question the commitment of drinkmakers. Re our sponsorship in general, I can honestly say that the current sponsorship deal has not brought me remotely closer to buying Carling and I will drink anything short of toilet duck (it nips the back of my throat).

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Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 12:57 COMMENT-BODY:Anybody think that the manager should go? (Sorry, typed that with my mouth full) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:00 COMMENT-BODY:Paul -I thought you might! I know some people like cats, and some can't stand them.

The French are also a nation that divides opinion amongst non-French people.

So I can see why a post about une jolie jeune fille avec un chat might provoke the Finger of Doom :~) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

danny COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:02 COMMENT-BODY:I think children should be encouraged to drink Carling, it will probably put them off drink for life. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:02 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA

just for you

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2008/carla-bruni-pics-p1.php -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:04 COMMENT-BODY:I like a drink as much as the next man but at the game? NO!
There are plenty of pubs around in which to drink, before and after.
If fans can't sit for a couple of hours and watch the game without getting up for a pint then I despair.
The same applies to those who those can't do without a ciggie/a pee/a burger. Arggg, it drives me mad when people constantly move around when I just want to sit and enjoy the game (hopefully!) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:05 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon- but you would be of the opinion that the actions of Mr RDavidson of Airdrie would make it unlikely he was in the SVDP? ;~)

I think Mr Callaghans career, or lack of it, is covered in the 'Celtic Paranoia' book. I also think there was a more recent referee who felt his progress would have been smoother if say, he'd gone to a different school. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieS COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:06 COMMENT-BODY:I'm goning throw this one back into the ring guys (With the joking element of it removed).

IF we are to replace Gordon.....

George Burley?

Yes or no guys (and why) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Boltonbhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:06 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon - thanks for that. You are absolutely correct in every detail - shows you how time can play trick with your memory. Being now officially one of the 'aul hauns' I'll put it down to having a senior moment.

Am I correct in saying that Hugh Phillips career was never quite the same either after the 65/66 game? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:08 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon

Thanks for that, my grandas memory must be playing tricks on him. He was adamant the man who Rangers complained about was also in the SVDP and wondered whether that was a factor in his career sinking into oblivion after their protest. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:11 COMMENT-BODY:Awe Naw - I know you said it was just for DBBIA, but is it OK if I have a look too?

Changing the subject (I hope) - I know I shouldn't laugh, but... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Boltonbhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:13 COMMENT-BODY:dbbia - Kevin O'Donnell per chance?

porridgeandbananas - your Grandad may well have been right about the ref being in the SVDP but got the name wrong. But RH Davidson? Believe me, he would not have got it that wrong. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:16 COMMENT-BODY:Stevies said "IF we are to replace Gordon....."

I actually don't think there are many realistic candidates around and George Burley has shown he is capable.I am undecided. Undefeated in his time as Hearts manager and,indeed, in his time as Scotland manager. His time at Southampton was not that impressive, though and he faltered at Ipswich after a good couple of years. Then of course there are all the allegations (though don't look at me.. I am not the alligator!)

Dick Byrne is that link to youtube or such like. Cyber police are on my highway! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:17 COMMENT-BODY:boltonbhoy

No mate, it was my mistake. My granda couldn't remember the name of the ref involved and I assumed it was R Davidson after picking up DBBIAs post earlier wrongly.

I have to say the opinions on this guy is amazing. I'm glad I didn't see this guy in action! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:19 COMMENT-BODY:Dick- I think Mme Sarkozy wants to become an ambassador for goodwill throughout the EU and beyond.

And a mighty fine job she's making of it too, if you don't mind me saying so.

Do you remember the Henrik's Tongue website? Mme Sarkozy would look pretty good in the Hoops, with or without the logo. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:21 COMMENT-BODY:What does SVDP mean? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:21 COMMENT-BODY:Boltonbhoy- Kevin O'donnell is who I was thinking of.

I see Mr AFreeland is on day release from Carstairs to do Sunday's game. Great. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:21 COMMENT-BODY:cadizzy - it's the BBC so you should be OK. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Boltonbhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:22 COMMENT-BODY:SVDP - St Vincent de Paul -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:23 COMMENT-BODY:Off whichever topic we are now on.

Excerpt from a Guardian interview with Phil Daniels (of Quadrophenia ..or Eastenders)talking about Chelsea

Q. You even used to do the match reports.

A. For the Morning Star, I was their Chelsea correspondent for three years. Ken Bates kicked us out in the end, because he considered us Russian. How tides have turned. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:25 COMMENT-BODY:Porridgeandbananas,

Yes that was myself who followed your link and was disgusted at the level of some fellow fans.

Felt like a wee post to them!!

Dick Byrne,

Just burst out laughing to show the rest of the office that I'm not actually working HAHA!

Mucker
Don't change the first letter of my name please! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:29 COMMENT-BODY:Cheers Dick, Jawbone Walk (through the Meadows in Embra) was forever having its L changed to N -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:31 COMMENT-BODY:Shore Lane in Aberdeen is tampered with quite frequently, and usually is a fairly acurate description of an evening there!

Mucker,
Who doesn't go there! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:34 COMMENT-BODY:cadizzy, abmucker,

The sign for Dobbie's Garden Centre in Cumbernauld was found to be altered from time to time. Naturally I had nothing to do with it. But I know a man who did... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:36 COMMENT-BODY:Dick, was it Ian McCall? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:41 COMMENT-BODY:George Burley for Celtic?

Surely a Scotland manager wouldn't walk out on the national team for a club job? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieS COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:43 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon,

As I said on the previous thread, at least we know the press would be understanding about it. :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Battered Bunnet COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:44 COMMENT-BODY:In the future, people will say;

Do you know they used to allow football fans to sing songs of hate about peoples' sexual orientation, race and religion? Incredible.

Do you know they had all this modern technology, but still insisted on the linesman deciding offside? Incredible.

Do you know that once upon a time, the Scotland manager quit his job to take over at Rangers? Incredible.

Do you know they used to use children to advertise alcohol? Incredible. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:45 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA Dick

it could be worse

http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/austria.asp -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

druiddude COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:48 COMMENT-BODY:When I used to read the Daily Record the letters page regulularly featured posts from Isabella Livestone..a women of such unsurpassing gentleness that she made Mother Teresa seem like Margaret Thatcher.

She seemed too good to be true.

As for Lee McCullough being the dirtiest player ever to have played in SPl.Ty Cobb won that accolade in baseball.The cherry on his cake was when he left the field to assault a handicapped heckler.By that standard Duncan Ferguson must be in the running for the award in Scotland.

Admittedly he would have fierce competition from G.Souness and T.Hurlock.

My personal favourite would have been Kevin Muscat if it was not for the remarkable transformation he underwent when he ran into Neil Lennon in his first derby game.I believe the folks back in Oz felt the impact of the first tackle administeredby Mr lennon and that it registered force 10 on the richter scale down under.

Is`nt it surprising how old fashioned remedies are often the most effective? Mr Muscat behaved with such a degree of civility thereafter that i began to suspect that he was Isabella livenstone -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:48 COMMENT-BODY:In 1983 the Blue Peter garden was vandalised by EPL legend Les Ferdinand, although he went on to retract his confession. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:48 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker

I thought so, as soon as I saw the name I thought you were from on here. I've commented as well, you're the first guy on here I can put a face to!

On the subject of funny place names. My grandparents and Aunt and nephew moved to a place called MUFF, just over the border at Derry!

The family had a farm in a place nearby called Iskaheen and my great gran owned the house in Muff. Good holidays spent there and still go back most years to Moville. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:49 COMMENT-BODY:Boltonbhoy...

Hugh Phillips was at the end of his career then and in fairness I don't believe that his decision that day affected the remainder of his career.

Both penalties were of the stonewall variety indeed the first one was awarded for Ronnie McKinnon, the Rangers centre half catching the ball with BOTH hands in the penalty area.

porridgeandbananas...

I don't know if Jim Callaghan was in the SVDP however the fact is that Rangers pursued him for what must be said was a mistake (not sending John Hughes off) and his career went into freefall as a result.

They got their way.

R H Davidson's performance in the 1970 Scottish Cup Final was quite remarkable as he made three major decisions :-

A penalty to Aberdeen
A penalty denied to Celtic
A Celtic goal disallowed.

Mind you, the same referee in a second round Scottish Cup tie at Tynecastle in 1962, with the score tied at 3-3, let Pat Crerand re-take a late penalty (having missed first time).

Pat scored second time round and we won 4-3. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:53 COMMENT-BODY:Some idiot's bebo site should not divert attention from the incompetency of the present incumbent.

He's apparently baffled as to why we've not won our last 5 games. He says so in light of the chances created. Fair enough, although I suspect the first port of call for most coaches is to question why we have lost goals. Is this man so blind to the limited abilities of Caldwell and McManus !?! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:53 COMMENT-BODY:I belive Kevin O'Donnell passed away a year or two ago. He allowed a late Mark McGhee goal to stand in a midweek league match at home to Hertz - 12 Aug 1987. He was never heard of again. I sometimes ponder why. No, I don't. He was never heard of again because he and we were all paranoid.

George Burley ?

No, he is needed to win the World Cup fur Scoatlind and/or to replace Watty at short notice (eg Watty lamps opposition coach and is jailed following the intervention of the United Nations as no-one in Scoatlind saw anything untoward).

WG, Voice of tReason, Two Hours From Wetherspoonsville -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:55 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA, from Small Talk in the (Blue Peter) Guardian

Q. Oh well. Finally then, Sir Les, we can't let you go without attempting to get to the bottom of the infamous thrashing of the Blue Peter garden. How do you plead?

A.Now that was a joke! What happened was I was on a programme and for some reason they got to talking about the vandalism of the Blue Peter garden and they said: "You grew up and went to school around that area, were you involved?" I just said something like "no, there were bigger and badder boys than me around", but they kept on asking me; apparently they were convinced that me and Dennis Wise had done it. So eventually, because it seemed like it was obviously a light-hearted conversation, I jokingly said, "yeah, we helped those guys over the wall." The next day I woke up and there was a tabloid journalist at my door showing me pictures of Percy Thrower crying and telling me they were going to run my admission on their front page! I kept telling them it was a just a joke but they were having none of it. It was ridiculous! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

St-Gris COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 13:58 COMMENT-BODY:Abmucker - I think putting UNICEF on the kids shirts would be a brilliant idea.

Good shout -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:00 COMMENT-BODY:and the darnel can have HUNICEF on theirs

Back To Work, Hi Ho Hi Ho -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:01 COMMENT-BODY:Porridgeand, good call.

Wheresthe… comment deleted, the link was too wide for the page. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Cadizzy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:01 COMMENT-BODY:and another Small Talk extract. Carlos Queiroz (swalex's sommelier)

Q. Rangers or Celtic?
A. My first feeling was Celtic. When I was 13 years old I saw for the first time in my life a European Cup final - Inter against Celtic. That image is, even today, clear in my mind; that day, that game, Jimmy Johnston, Riva... I was so impressed. When I was in Mozambique, far away from football in Europe, I always remembered that day and that team. Especially because when they started to play in the national stadium in Portugal I thought Celtic were Sporting Lisbon because they dressed like Sporting -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

assetmanager COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:01 COMMENT-BODY:testing -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:03 COMMENT-BODY:funniest thing about MUFF in ireland (and this is true) there is a diving centre there.
fact i stranger than fiction! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

assetmanager COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:04 COMMENT-BODY:many thanks Paul -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:05 COMMENT-BODY:Dennis Wise is definitely capable of such mindless, senseless -in fact- Hunnish behaviour.

I hope the Manager is saying more to the players in private than it's just' bad luck'. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:15 COMMENT-BODY:porridgeandbananas,

I've been through Muff many times. My folks have a house in Greencastle and we stay there when we go over to visit!
Loved the ads when the 'Top Petrol Station' was there instead of the Texaco one now.
"TOP MUFF"

What a reason to visit.

3in a row,

My wee brothers favourite quip is to tell people he is doing his PADI (Paddy) diving course at the Muff Diving Centre.

They even have a Muff Festival every year.

Mucker
Not allowed to go to the festival now hes married. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:15 COMMENT-BODY:Wg

The Wishaw Malt -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

mickybhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:16 COMMENT-BODY:The debate rages on
strachans fault,teams fault
ssm is to blame , boards fault
fans are to blame, self inflicted ect, ect.
Irregardless, one thing I have noticed about this present lot gracing the first team jerseys,
they are most definately NOT a team.They do not play as a team on the field, they do not act as a team and more recently I see a bunch of individuals as opposed to a TEAM UNIT.
This malaise is worse at (of all places) Celtic park, with greedy solo efforts from Mcgeady and McDonald being most annoying.
The most recent was mr Donati who hit the bye line and squandered a chance to put skippy in with a simple pass and elected to shoot from an impossible angle.
Teams playing as a unit have pulled countless managers out of the mire, but no such luck for wgs.
This team needs galvanised and galvanised fast with no room for error.
The funny thing is we will probably take care of mfc away no problem, but at home different story.
Henrik was a master team player and would sacrifice a half chance to gift a team mate a gilt edge chance.
In the 6-2 game wee lubo puts it on a plate for Lambo et al, et al
If wgs does not address this problem (which I don't think he is capable)prepare for a tsunami of nausea courtesy of bouncy bouncy and the media heading our way,
very soon
Teamwork csc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:17 COMMENT-BODY:Arthur Lee -

wouldn't be seen dead in there

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:22 COMMENT-BODY:edward you seem to be getting a bit of abuse these days, if you're a hun (well a decent one) on a celtic forum i would expect banter and you getting a hard time, pity some of it got a bit personal but im sure your a big boy and can take it on the chin, wont coment on those subjecting as their perogative, im not their mothers.
There has been a huge increase in the volume of your posting on the lead up to the rangers game which potentially irked some. I thought to myself my, ed is very confident about the result in this one, he is a one man posting machine. You say the volume increased as approaching a big game, would it not be more accurate to suggest the volume went up because their was a big game coming up you were supremely confident of winning? In the previous 2 seasons i dont remember such regularity of posting when approaching an old firm game before sir cardigan was in charge. You may have earned some braggin rights but i think a lot of people have a mistrust of rangers fans as "they only sing when they are winning" and granted you have been around here long enough to not merit that tag but some of your posts did seem a tad triumphalistic.

hope you do not take this as a slight or having a go, merely an observation.

Many have commented recently on how you are obv so anti racist/bigots so how can you be a rangers fan. i find this one strange. how do you sit there and listen to it? do you ever respond/report people.
When mark walters was treated so appallingly by celtic fans (fortunately a one off but should never have happened) it was a low point in our history, i was just getting to an age when i was attending games (fortunately not that one) . HAd that been the way of things from then on i would have stopped going to games and no longer be a celtic fan. Bobo balde is continually racially abused every time he faces rangers (20 years on, have times moved on??), not by an odd few, thousands boo him and monkey chant, dozens run down the govan stands to make monkey movements. What is your feeling about this, how do you reconcile supporting a team whose followrs have such beliefs? Every club has its idiots. There was a guy who sits near me who would shout racist remarks, he was rounded on by everyone around me and we no longer hear this muck.
At rangers it is a more sinister under current. At rangers it is a SIGNIFICANT number within the support base and it would seem within those that run the club(how else can you explain no action after the chants in san siro by officials), the taking away of green straws etc etc, christmas lunches at £16.90.
How can you be associated with this if you find racism and bigotry so abhorent?
You seem to be on fairly regularly at the moment and posting frequently so if you have a spare moment be interested in your thoughts on this, if you miss it perhaps one of the regulars can point ed in this direction when he is next on.
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AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:25 COMMENT-BODY:Porridge,

I'll go on and have a look for you on Bebo. Or send me a link to yours to make it easy?

Malceye,

Not sure I understand your point. Strachan has stated his reason for not understanding why we didn't win since we've been creating so many chances in his opinion.

Your problem is that he doesn't say he's baffled as to why we're losing goals???
He obviously isn't baffled. He knows that a mistake has been made in defence, and since it was a counter attack on the break, probably in midfield also.

But why do you want him to come out and slate our defence? He stated that we should be winning but we're not putting the ball in the net when we're on top ( Or I take it that's what he means) and the jist of the point is to score more goals than the opposition.

Slating the defence to the national press will not remedy the situation, and I think we slate them enough during the games that he probably doesn't need to!

I don't know any mangaer who will come out and say that a member of the team was rubbish. Our defence isn't our problem although god knows they've made enough mistakes.
I think our main problem is confidence whihc is my main reason for not enjoying the constant pessimism this season in Timdom.

Mucker
Oxygen tank on, and away to Muff -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:47 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker,

why would you need an oxygen tank in Muff? And in the 69th post as well... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 14:52 COMMENT-BODY:HAHA!

It's like Carry on Ireland on here today!

Mucker
Oh er missus. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:00 COMMENT-BODY:Sir Paul

The biggest faux you have made today,Paul....was

Not to follow your instincts..

You should have used you delete finger...

I know and you know...that the world is full of monkey see monkey do,doers...

It does not take a lot, for you know as well as I do that the road to Perdition, is full of .. "I wish I hads"...:

We have an excellent thing agoin'
let's keep it thataway.

Next time, Paul...

Follow your excellent instinct.

Kojo. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieS COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:04 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

I understand what you're getting at, but this is probably the first time a lot of us have been smiling this week. Anyway, as has been said, it's more like "Carry-on" stuff than Chubby Brown.

I hope Paul let's it slide this time. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:05 COMMENT-BODY:3inarow...

I don't know/never met ED...

But I've been posting on here for a while but i had a good craic with him on the afternoon of the LYON Debacle good bit of craic and as he said he was off to the game i told him my money was on 0-3...

After the game it was me who said to him walkin backwards pretend your leaving ED...

He posted about 5-10 mins later and stayed on a while if my memory serves...

As i say I've been posting a wee while now and only ED and TheNarrowBhoattim have actually conversed with me... Thats why i remember...bb

I think you'll find EDs probably just a nice guy who has a mind of his own...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:06 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

Long time since I've been on at the same time as you. Hope you're keeping fine, as I do all the other posters on here.
Don't think anything needs deleting so far on this thread? Maybe I'm missing it!

Also, I think before our next home game they should put the You Tube Clip of 'Henrik Larsson is Rocky' on the Big screens.

Gets me going every time and brings a smile to my face.

Mucker
Who really should do some work. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:08 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker

Here's the link to my bebo page.

Me

I don't use it too much but find it's a good way of having a wee nosey at others!

For those interested in the Muff Diving Club here is a link to some of their merchandise...

Never a frown When You're Going Down -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:12 COMMENT-BODY:o1bhoy wasnt having a pop at ed, think he seems a decent guy and i hope my post did not seem like i was criticising.
each to their own, it is just something that interests me as know a lot of gers fans who do have an element of racism/bigotry to them so titel of ramgers fans rests easy with them, just wondering really how it all sits with ed, i wasnt having a pop and if ed is unhappy at what i have said then he can let me know and i will apologise, it certainly wasnt my intention and he can feel free not to post back, i wont be offended! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:12 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear friend... StevieS

No excuses will be accepted,for using "Non Drawing Room" Remarks..on this family oriented Forum... sorry about that.

We have a Zero Tolerance Policy regarding the insertion of Risque or Off Color Material...which also includes.. Double Entendres.

Sorry about that,Steve.

Kojo.
Your pal...who regrets having to be the Heavy. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:18 COMMENT-BODY:Porridge,

Cheers for that.
My Missus is away to get me a T-Shirt.

Sent a request on bebo to you also. Not on it much neither but you never know when these things might be handy!!!

Mucker,
Really must do some work -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieS COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:18 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

Gonna have to agree to differ on this occasion amigo. Yeah, it's a bit "close to the bone", but you know as well as anyone that ocassionaly you have to let people loose, if only to blow of some steam. And there's a LOT of steam hanging around these days!

But I think Paul (on his return) might agree with you and get busy with THAT button. :-)

Your friend

StevieS -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:28 COMMENT-BODY:As far off-topic as you can get.

If you decide to have a cremation for someone who has passed away, you require the signatures of two doctors from the hospital, as opposed to one for a burial. Doctors call it 'ash cash' and charge £71 per signature. You have no option, it's pure profiteering, and goes straight into the back-pocket of the doctor.

Going through it just now and am a bit annoyed. The whole process is traumatic enough, with this nonsense.

Moving on... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:30 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker, just accepted it on bebo. cheers mate.

Kojo

Just a bit of light-hearted banter today. I think since last Saturday everyone has been uptight and today has probably been the first time things have lightened up. I really wish we had a game this midweek to release our frustrations and hopefully had a victory to help ease the pain of the last 2 or 3 weeks. Sunday can't come soon enough for me.

porridgeandbananas..who always enjoys your posts mate! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:31 COMMENT-BODY:Bloke109,

Sorry to hear of your loss. Never heard of this rule but though all sign offs required 2 signatures. Disgraceful that there is a wee joke name to go with it!

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:35 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear, friend...SteveS

If you think that I am being Over Puritan, that is your choice.

I cannot legislate morality...it has been tried by others, more powerful than me.

It disnae woik...period!

When I point out where the direction that this Forum could go...if ... the thin edge of the wedge is allowed to continue to enter... I really am doing so, for the good of all.

Most Forums,although not all...there are exceptions...of which, we are one... are really cesspools of profanity and toilet humor...

And when I say that...

I ain't whistling Dixie!

This is the finest and the most family oriented Celtic Forum on the Planet....

And I will always do my best to make sure that it remains so.

Kojo.
yer pal... who insists that I enjoy adult oriented humor as well as any one...in fact, I could make a nice living, doing it...catering to man's Prurient Interest... is ALWAYS, an easy way to get a laugh... but I choose not to go down that road. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:35 COMMENT-BODY:Winningemmel

I am proud to say that Kevin O'Donnel was a good friend of mine.
He was indeed hounded by Wallace Mercer and the SFA and was eventually dropped from being a first class referee.
He was never bitter about it.
He struggled and eventually died from MS. If my memory serves me we had a wee tribute to him on this site when he passed.

RIP Kevin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:36 COMMENT-BODY:3inarow :- That was a fairly lengthy post covering a few things so I hope you don't mind if I split it into sections to answer. For anyone who wants to skip by this is a long post .

Firstly I honestly don't mind the banter, to me it's like talking in the pub, you dish it out and you take it back, if you can't take it back then you have no right to dish it out. My only complaint in that department is that I don't like personal attacks, anyone is free to attack my views and what I say but attacking me in a personal manner detracts from points being made. I'd like to make clear I don't count your post as coming under this.

Yes there was a big increase in my post in the week before the Rangers/Celtic game, I hadn't realised it was much bigger than my level of posting before previous games between our clubs but I'm happy to accept that it was. Was I very confident before the game? Yes and no, I was more confident than I have been in the previous few games but when playing Celtic I'm also always worried, no matter how bad a Celtic team may be you can never think they will be an easy team to beat, so between bouts of confidence there are also times when I get nervous about it. As the game gets closer I'll bounce from one to the other faster than an ocilliscope in the megahertz range. The fact that Mr Smith was in charge did give me a greater expectation than his predecessor I won't deny that.
I don't think I was being triumphilistic, if I was I would be more likely to come on and say "We will beat you, we are Rangers and you are Celtic so we will win" To me that would be being triumphilistic and I would deserve the description a poster used the other day of "putting timmy in his place" When I came on and said I thought we would win I would give my reasons for thinking so, I would name players or formations that I thought would give us the points, I would compare players that I thought were likely to face each other and base my views on that. So to me I was merely stating I thought my team would win and giving the football reason why.
I would also like to add that if guilty of being triumphilistic I would have been on the blog after the game making several crowing posts, I didn't I did what I always do, come on win, lose or draw, make a post then vanish for a day or so.
May I ask if you consider your own name to triumphilistic? If the name doesn't refer to Celtic lifting a third title this season then I withdraw the question. Are Celtic fans who posted on here saying they were pretty sure their team would win being triumphilistic?
If they aren't then I don't see how my posts can be deemed to be so.

I don't see your questions on the above as being in any way having a go at me, I'm always happy to try and answer questions put to me in this manner.

Do I ever respond to racist and or sectarian comments around me? I have at times and on one occaission reported someone to the stewards, he was ejected, this is the first and only time I've done so in some time and I did it because my grandson was beside me and I didn't want him hearing this, he was frightend by the bug eyed idiot who was screaming the cmments just behind him and who wouldn't stop when asked. When younger I have said to people a few times about some of the things they are shouting but have to confess as I've goten older I'm not quite as brave any more so tend not to say anything if I think itcould lead to bother. I do still say to kids I see behaving like this in the street that when they act like that wearing a Rangers top then they are letting the club down and they should think before they call someone a fenian or a black b**** sometimes they listen, sometimes they give me a mouthfull of abuse but if I can get one to think twice then I feel I'm doing something.
I'll make clear that I consider anyone who behaves like that with Mr Balde to be an idiot, I would like to say an uneducated idiot but sadly you do get educated racists, something I just can't understand. I'll accept what you say about there still being a fair number of bigots in the Ibrox crowd whether it be racial or sectarian and probably both at the same time. It's wrong and I hope that just as things have changed a lot in say the past twenty years it will continue to do so and the Rangers crowd will hopefully comprise of those who are there to watch football, support their team and forget about abusing others for any reason except football.

On your last three points, I thought the singing at the San Siro was a disgrace, action could and should have been taken againsts those responsible. The green straws I see nothing wrong with removing them, green is the colour of our biggest rivals, it may be childish, but it isn't sectarian in any way. On the meal priced at 16.90 I thought it daft and whoever came up with the idea probably had no idea of who actually fought at that battle and what forces were lined up on each side.
As I've answered those points to the best of my ability can I ask you in return how you feel when the
Celtic crowd sings that someone is a sad orange b***** when they have no knowledge of whether that individual is a member of the orange order or not? I would guess that a lot of the folk who sing it will say they aren't being sectarian and I'd believe them in a lot of cases, but to my side (Rangers support) it does sound like it, just as you linked green straws with sectarianism yet I can't see any link.

I'm sorry this post is so long but you gave quite a detailed post with quite a few questions in it and I felt it deserved a considered answer. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:36 COMMENT-BODY:Cheers Ab. I've even heard of the cash going towards a night-out in the past - just a galling addition to the whole bill.

I'll get onto some enlightening football post soon :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:39 COMMENT-BODY:o1bhoy :- I remember that conversation, not the happiest day of my football following life but as I've said before if I dish it out I have to take it back and football banter and digs are all part of the game, an example was one Paul got me with a week or so ago playing on the numbers 7 - 1 even I had to laugh at it. I enjoy it there wouldn't be much fun if we all thought the same way. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:41 COMMENT-BODY:Bloke109- firstly may I offer you my condolences.

The term' ash cash' belongs to older, less enlightened times and should no longer be used.

However, the explanation for the origin of the fee is more complicated and perhaps does not belong on these pages, but I would be happy to oblige. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:44 COMMENT-BODY:There are but 5 full days of The festival left, it's like anti-advent. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:45 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

The casual banter earlier was no worse than you will here in the average primary school playground.

And if Paul didn't feel that deletion was requried than I can't see how anyone else can object.

Anyway, back to football and Gordon Strachan's "bad luck" interview. I can accept that one result can be put down to bad luck. But 5 is really stretching credibility. Surely the manager has to take responsibility and make changes for Sunday? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:45 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt -

are you ML2ing on Sunday or taping Mmme Wotjecallher ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:46 COMMENT-BODY:Wee prediction here. I he been burning entrails, casting bones, wiggling the ouija and reinterpreting the works of Nostredamus and this tells me that wee Deek will be making a full apology and retraction with the SoS following at the weekend. then Deek will be punted in the summer.

Okay, so I lied - I didn't really consult any spirits but I noted a mention of "legal issues presenting either side from commenting".

My guess is those legal issues are clearly defamatory remarks calling into question Gordon Strachan's integrity, honesty and professional conduct while also accusing him of malicious actions.

Unless I miss my guess that lot would equate to a pay-out that would make Martin O'Neill's court settlements look like small change.

I think a £1000 is the least Deek needs to worry about. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:48 COMMENT-BODY:thanks for the reply edward, your a gent asnd your post confirms this. Sadly if it were only kids in the street doing it ed then there would be hope, its those aged close to you and around my age who leave the sour taste in the mouth.
Only other point re the straws, if it didnt have that sad undertone so many things have at ibrox you would take it as banter, sadly i fear it is more sinister and do not like t trivialise it, if only it was because of their main rivals colour then the world (well certainly scotland) would be a better place.
Will try to answer those posed at me.
My name was a bit of a wind up and maybe you could take it as triumphalism (altho i would argue only if i logged in on flowfollowthrough with that name) - thats the most annoying thing about this season, when the fat lady sings my name makes me look stupid!!!!!

Without being drawn into the songs debate i cringe at the sad orange b songs to the tune of daydream believer, i actually physically cringe at the sound, hate it and makes us look sad IMO, have on occassion shouted to stop singing it while during a game as it bugs me so, so thats my take on it.

Thanks again for taking the time to replying, have wee just started a clique? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:48 COMMENT-BODY:.... as in videotaping not as in..... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:49 COMMENT-BODY:.... I was once like that wi Kristin Scott Thomas but I actually saw more of Bobo Balde in 2007 ( as in more often) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:52 COMMENT-BODY:Ee, 3inarow

sorry to butt in but;

If the orange order prides itself on being non sectarian. Then how can calling somebody orange anything be considered to be sectarian? It´s insulting but not sectarian.

Rangers football club by removing green straws, green pepperami, eggs bendict, tangerine tops that even your chairman Mc Lelland admitted was a faux pas, setting prices at 1690 etc. are pandering to that bigoted element. By pandering to that element they are pandering to bigots and therefore acting in a sectarian way.

They are pandering to them to get their income or its the clubs philosophy ? Either way it is acting in a sectarian manner. Do you disagree?

You cannot see the link ?

A smart guy like you ?

Honestly ?

... if so what am I missing ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:53 COMMENT-BODY:3inarow :- We could be the lonnnnnggg posters clique and if we could get P8ddy, Estadio and JamesForrest back posting on a reguler basis we could enter a team in the next fives tournement. Maybe Kojo could be our manager :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:54 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:54 COMMENT-BODY:WG- my Ludbrother, as opposed to Lodge brother- I shall be going to the game.

Be warned that some of the conversation may be..racy.

Nudge,nudge,wink,wink. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:55 COMMENT-BODY:ED,

Ee above is you btw -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:57 COMMENT-BODY:i didnt say the song was sectarian i just saidf i cringe when i hear it.
I do feel that rangers hierarchy panders to bigots and profiteers from it, but you have to separate that from individuals (like ed) just as the kelly's etc when they were dismantling our club did not represent me! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:59 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

Does your comment to Ed need deleted? :-)

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

assetmanager COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 15:59 COMMENT-BODY:and again -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:04 COMMENT-BODY:ANNAOAN :- I didn't know the orange order claimed they were non sectarian, to my mind if they are set up as an anti catholic organisation and don't allow their members to marry catholics then they are sectarian. Your other points I've commented on before so I hope you don't mind just a brief summary. The orange tops were just plain wrong, we have no tradition at Rangers of playing in orange and I would agree that this was pandering. The eggs benedict, I'm not trying to dodge the question but personally I don't know if this was true if they did have this dish on the menu and then removed it due to the election of the current Pope then it's crass stupidity as well as having sectarian overtones. Green straws I covered in my post a few min ago and green pepperami I would place in the green straw category. The 16.90 dinner I covered just a couple of min ago..
I don't expect you to agree with my answers but if I'm going to post there is no point in me being anything but honest, otherwise after my first lie was discovered (as it would be over time) no one would ever believe a word I said again.
If it comes down to it I would rather be disliked for my views than considered a liar. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:06 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear friend... AbMucker...

Now, that you have drawn my attention to it... sure... it should be deleted...

In fact I shall do so ...right now...

I am always willing to please...

Thanks for pointing it out,pal

Kojo
yer pal...who likes ye -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:08 COMMENT-BODY:3inarow,

I have lived in Germany 21 years. I´m a pretty sociable guy I believe and have had many experiences.I have yet to meet a German who openly denies the holocaust but I have also yet to meet one whose relatives in any way contributed to the 'wehrmacht'

The KKK does not kill and hang blacks in kangaroo courts anymore. If you were to meet a KKK member and he told you that his organisation is nowadays a good charitable one and has only the interests of white men at heart I dont think we´d be do accomodating.

The dilemna is;

Is hate stronger than love ?

Or is love stronger than hate ?

Its a difficult one to answer but as I always say action speak louder than words because talk is cheap.

I cant recall to many official actions by Glasgow Celtic that I would wish to disassociate myself with. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:10 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo :- Thanks, coming from you that's a compliment indeed. Now how about this management position with the long posters clique at the next 5 a side games :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

assetmanager COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:10 COMMENT-BODY:Edward U Wrote

On the meal priced at 16.90 I thought it daft and whoever came up with the idea probably had no idea of who actually fought at that battle and what forces were lined up on each side.

Err.. how did he/she get the idea then? May we look forward to choosing something from your splendid 1916 menu? With a side portion of potatos of course. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:10 COMMENT-BODY:Ed,

Just to confirm

Q)Glasgow Rangers panders to bigots? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bieniex COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:12 COMMENT-BODY:what happened to p8ddy james forrest and estadio? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:17 COMMENT-BODY:And the Empire biscuits with the wee green jellies.

Too good for the likes of them. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

3inarow COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:18 COMMENT-BODY:apart from the team selection on saturday ANNAOAN!!!

yeah i agree in that i dont understand it, how to reconcile supporting a team with such a reprehensible attitude to racism and bigotry -from the very top down to the bus driver who refused to take part in an applause for a dead celtic player, the fact he is still employed and has been for so long speaks volumes of those in position of power at ibrox. We once sacked a dj for saying get the hankies oot rangers got beat!!!
(amazing the different outcry in the media)

Finally as do not want to seemn like trying to pick on ed as i am clearly not, but can anyone out there explain to me why rangers players did not wear armbands as a mark of repsect just like the celtic players did at ibrox for big Cush?

If they can wear it for dead paramilitaries why not then? its all about respect and dignity, smething lacking at the core at ibrox. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:19 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

I didn't really want you to delete it, but I know how seriously you take these issues.

Ed,

The Orange Order has in the last 5 or so years been hoping to show itself as a non sectarian organisation. I think this is where Diamond Dan their new super Hero is supposed to be seen as a bit of fun..bring the kids, we're a family group!!!! I'm sure they were getting their own Tartan designed too!

The same happens in the News around marching season, with shots of the kids with the Ice Cream and faces painted and a happy wee march plodding through wereever.

Now if the KKK were to have a wee march through New York.... would people allow it if they were telling people they were non racist now???

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:21 COMMENT-BODY:Assetmanager :- Lots of people know the date of the battle 12/7/1690 without knowing much about it.
before anyone points out I know it was 1/7/1690 old style.

btw I would have no problem eating a meal with delicious taties, I live in Ayrshire where the finest ones in the world come from :-) A plate of new tatties smothered in butter is a treat to relish.
If my meal came to 19.16 then I would probably smile at the coincidence as I would if a bill came to any well known historical date.

ANNAOAN :- Phone them up and ask them. I don't answer for RFC, I don't answer for the SPL or SFA, I don't answer for refs and I don't answer for other Rangers fans. I can only give my own views.
I can sometimes give a sort of informed opinion as I did with the orange shirts but that's all it is my opinion. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:24 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear,dear, friend... Ed

Your are welcome,palomine..

Me? As a team Five a side Manager?...

Wow! Ye gotta be kiddin'!

I could do 15 minutes of Material on that situation!

Suffice to say...

You guys could nevah even come close to being able to please, me!

I am a Hard,Hard, taskmaster....just ask...well... forget that... just take my woid for it!

Even Gunga Din, would refuse tae be my Water Boy...he would desert...and thankfully, return to his comparative sinecure , back at the Regiment!

Na!

Fuggggggggggettabouuuuuit!

You know that I Hate... Softies!

Kojo.
yer pal..... who likes You, though! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:26 COMMENT-BODY:3inarow,

good one ...but I stand by the manager to pick the team and they´ll always get my support. Unfortunately for our board ;-)

I know the KKK is an incongruent analogy but I didn´t get too much exposure to them in my life.

Ed,

why should I ask Glasgow Rangers what your opinion is ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:27 COMMENT-BODY:AbMucker :- (note as requested I didn't change the first letter :-)

I've just said that I considered them to be sectarian, I have no knowledge of what they are doing just now but reckon it would be easier to square the circle than to change that view I have of them.
I don't defend them in any way.
If they or anyone chooses not to like or to oppose the teachings, dogma or theology of the R.C church that is there right and isn't sectarian, but if they choose to discriminate against Catholics or demand that their members don't marry Catholics or attend a service for any reason then I class that as sectarian. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:33 COMMENT-BODY:Ed: "If it comes down to it I would rather be disliked for my views than considered a liar."

As I have no standing in the CQN "community" other than being a Celtic fan, I expect that my words don't carry much weight.

However, you do seem to be a man under siege here as the only "out" Rangers fan on the blog. I think sometimes people miss the point and indulge in convoluted nonsense trying to think up new positions by which you - and by extension all of Rangers-kind - must either renounce your club, and all its works, and all its empty promises or accept damnation.

That is simply wrong. You're as entitled to post exactly what you want as anybody else and I'm sure more than a few join me in admiring your guts and integrity in being here.

But you shouldn't have to take abuse from all sides and, according to every ethos associated with Celtic that I have ever recognised, that is just not the conduct expected of Celtic supporters.

I can understand some of the negative reaction - as someone else alluded, a bit of disappointment brings out the worst in some people. I also think that many of the criticisms of Rangers and the Scottish football establishment are valid.
Furthermore, I think that most

Rangers fans I know, even the ones that have no truck with the behaviours that irk Celtic fans, probably underestimate the real hurt that the anti-Catholic policies, the club-sponsored wind-ups with sectarian undertones, the conduct of players and officials have caused.

People don't like to admit that - they think it's weak. But many times I have found it hurtful that people I know and respect become crudely and quite absent-mindedly insulting of my faith and family's nationality.

But far too often, people mask hurt with aggression and trying to be hurtful themselves. I also have to say that I have noticed a decline in the behaviour of Celtic supporters generally that worries me.

Last night, for example, I was in a quiet respectable pub where some guy was spouting off the most absurd Oranges-under-the-beds garbage I had ever heard coming out of one mouth. Sadly, some of his more idiotic views have been expressed by posters to this blog, which makes me wonder whether, in 20 years time, Celtic will still be "different" or just another institution that lost everything that made it special.

I really think that some of the treatment you are getting here is a clear illustration that some Celtic fans need to wake up.

Do we want to follow the idiots on the FF board who accuse everyone of being Timposters at the drop of a bowler hat?

Do we want to still be able to claim to be "better than them" and do we want to continue to be a truly inclusive club?

Many former Rangers fans have made brilliant contributions to Celtic. Some have even been so impressed that they have been fully converted.

I doubt if you feel so inclined after some of the nonsense directed at you here.

But, when all else fails, resort to Latin: non illegitimi carborundum. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:34 COMMENT-BODY:ANNAOAN :- Apologies for misunderstanding your post. If it's my opinion you are after then fair enough. I did give the answer to that in my earlier reply to you wen I said that I thought the orange tops were pandering. For clarity I should have said pandering to the sectarian element in the support.
Again though can I make it clear it's just my opinion.
btw The answer to phone them and ask should have had one of those smiley emoticons, I wasn't trying to be rude or brush you off. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:35 COMMENT-BODY:Ed,

its not what the bill happens to come too its the price on the menu that it is set at. Just like the 1690 pound deluxe season ticket.

My best two friends are just like you. When we discuss the semantics of scottish football.

They embarrass themselves and they know it and they tend to get irked
by my line of questioning.

I always start of with " ok no smoke screening no finger pointing no accusing me of being paranoid and no passing it off as a joke. Why is blah blah blah"

the answer is always the same

A jokey "it´s just a big conspiracy awe naw"

to which I tell them ... still in denial huh ?

I believe you also to be in denial. You just proved it.

Hope we can still remain friends.

Your friend in Celtic

Awe Naw -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TrueTim COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:36 COMMENT-BODY:Regardless of form, titles or managers...

get this player signed now

This guy has the technique and ability that our midfield craves at the minute. He can play on the right as well which is good since Naka appears to be working for the Rankers PR department. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:36 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon,

You mention that the incident where John Hughes lumped Johnston was in front of the Jungle. For some reason, I remember it as being in front of the old stand. Don't know why.

Davidson and Syme were in a (very ) low class of their own. This cheating by Ed's mob and the MIBs is nothing new. The conniving by the media is nothing new either. No mention was ever made of their biggotted signing policy until it was raised by an Evening Times journalist (Ian Andrews?) in the 70s, I think.

Whenever they have been particularly embarassing, especially in England or overseas, it is invariably the O** F***, that gets the blame.

No matter how good or bad we have been this season, the Estabishment have been ensuring that the Flag was heading for Govan. It is history repeating itself.

By the way, if this hasn't been mentioned before or recently, the reason the View was started was because Mr Stein reckoned we were not getting a fair crack of the whip in the media. That's over 40 years ago. Plus ca change... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

31003 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:39 COMMENT-BODY:EdwardUrsus

I have to say you are a bigger man than I could ever be for some of the abuse you take on this site. You have my full respect.

Now, whether you like it or not, YOU ARE the biggest authority on Rangers we have on this site, so, to that end, could you answer me just one question.

Have you ever seen an uglier team than the Rangers team from the early to mid seventies. For example, Stewart Kennedy, Sandy Jardine, Cutty Young to name but a few? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

31003 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:41 COMMENT-BODY:.........nearly forgot Tommy McLean -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:ANNAOAN :- I hope we can remain freinds as well, I would hate to think people would fall out over a non rancourous exchange of views.
On the 16.90 price I called it the 16.90 meal meaning a set meal for a set price, not just a coincidence as other dates could be. The point I was trying to make at the time though perhaps not to weel was that the person who set it will have heard of the battle and knew it's date but didn't know much else about it. I'm not that well educated in history but even I know it was far from a straight Catholic v Protestant battle. Yes it could be counted as pandering much as the orange shirts were but if the person who set the price and tens of thousands more who go on about the battle read up a little on it it may, though I doubt it in many cases, change their perspective on it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear, friend...Abmucker...

Fur Get it,pal...

You wur right...and I was wrong... one thing I am not...

And that is a Hypocrite!...well, maybe... not All the Time!... but, maybe... well ....at least ..SOME O' THE TIME...well... maybe... ( Cut out the weedlin',pal... I know whit ye ur!...ed)( An' ah know whit ye ur.. ye wee Clipe!)( Should that no be spelled... Clype?)( Only, in the Gallowgate,pal, Only, in the Gallowgate!)

Na!
Let's say that I take my Self Appointed Censorial Assignment as Seriously as a Heart Attack!... it is a lousy job.. but I rather enjoy it, in a perverse sorta way.

Kojo.
yer pal...who likes ye. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:46 COMMENT-BODY:Ed,

I wish you would answer my questions more punctually then I would not need to issue you with apologies. :-) A good tactic ... btw :-) :-) Walter would be proud.

I´ll take your last post as a yes.

Rangers football club pander to the large sectarian element within their support. Which by extension is about 60% of the nations populace. The closed door San Siro game demonstrated that this way of thinking is at the heart of your club.

Is this not illegal under new Scottish legislation ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:47 COMMENT-BODY:ED...

3inarow...

Thanks for the retorts lhads...

The Hoops v Well reserves is on Setanta can anyone tell when it was played ? don't tell me the score but...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:49 COMMENT-BODY:Ed,

Just making sure there is no cross wires. I wasn't trying to convince you of their Sectarianism, I was merely answering your pint about not knowing that the OO are non sectarian.

My last point with the comparison to a KKK march was to merely highlight someone else's point wrt words & Actions.

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:50 COMMENT-BODY:31003 :- I'm afraid I'm no judge of male attractiveness so I can't help you there :-)
perhaps one of the sites female posters would be a better bet to ask -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:52 COMMENT-BODY:ANNAOAN :- On whether any of the points you raise breaks the law I honestly don't know perhaps one of the sites legal eagles could help you. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:53 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

I will act as deputy and monitor yours!

Mucker
Deputy Dhog. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:54 COMMENT-BODY:dbbia

I'm at gmail.com.. The term was used to a relative, via a third party, and with no explanation forthcoming, one from you would be very much appreciated. Thank-you. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mort COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:55 COMMENT-BODY:TrueTim

He would be a great aquisition but not sure how willing Dortmund would be to deal with us after they appeared to be irked that Andreas would join us ahead of them.

I suppose if Celtic match the asking price then it would be a decision for the player to make. I know i'm cynical but can't help thinking this is a ploy by the player or agent to put pressure on Everton to give him more money. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:56 COMMENT-BODY:o1 bhoy

Monday afternoon, and I won't spoil the ending :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:58 COMMENT-BODY:We featured this Adonis a few weeks ago and this pic is from his days terrorising the bairns of Inverness but if you can bear to watch the bear 2nd from the end, front row is ex Ranger Handsome Billy Urquhart

Potentially the worst thing you'll see on the blog all year. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:59 COMMENT-BODY:It's an interesting question as to why we follow the football team we do. But I think there are really two seperate questions within this, assuming that most people came to their team as children. And I'm really talking about Celtic and Rangers fans, rather than those who chose their team on a geographical basis, ie a home town team.

So, question 1 is "Why did you start following the team?" For most people I am sure that the answer will be some combination of family and school friends. Most fans will say they were brought up to follow a team. This makes perfect sense, as most boys in the West of Scotland (my frame of reference) tend to come to football at an early age, or at least they did in my day of playing in the street or on any strip of grass we could find until it was dark! So you would quite naturally follow the team of your family or friends.

But the second question is "Why do you continue to follow the team as an adult?" Is it simply blind loyalty to a childhood love? Or is it a conscious decision as an adult to continue to follow a team who's ethos means something to you? And what if that ethos does not square with your own adult views on life? Many people change their views on politics or religion as adults, so why not change the football team you support?

I know of friends who supported Rangers as kids yet could not bring themselves to support the team when they knew the full story at an age they were old enought to understand. Others last night mentioned similar stories. But I don't know of anyone who grew up a as Celtic fan but decided not to support the club for similar reasons.

Is it because the history of the two clubs is so different, or is there some other reason?

I'd be interested in your views! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 16:59 COMMENT-BODY:ED...

Swampy Blue @ 7/2 just Won the 4:50

Topical...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:00 COMMENT-BODY:Bloke109:

Sorry to hear of your loss.

I'm sorry to say the reason for the two sign-offs is to guard against unscrupulous docs allowing a body to be cremated when there may have been a suspicion of foul play. Where there is a burial, there would always be the possibility of exhumation in those unfortunate circumstances. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:01 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:03 COMMENT-BODY:Anybody who is Anybody...

The Celtic Youths are about to do Battle at Parkhead...in the Scottish Youth Cup ,against the HIBS Youths...right about... now.

Anybody who is anybody, and has access to the sounds of this combat...

I would appreciate it if you could keep us informed as to how the battle goes.

Thank you, in advance.

Kojo.
yer pal......who likes ye -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:06 COMMENT-BODY:dbbia

Yes, and thanks again.

One Star

Thanks. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:07 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo

Can't make it myself, it's 7pm kick-off, couple of hours. Free, too. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:09 COMMENT-BODY:Fifty Years Ago Today

Scottish First Division

Celtic 6 Clyde 2

0-1 Ring (6)
1-1 Fernie (17)
1-2 Currie (39)
2-2 McVittie (40)
3-2 Wilson (44)

3-2 HT

4-2 McPhail (70)
5-2 Collins (80)
6-2 Collins (84)

Beloved :-

Beattie, Meechan, Mochan, Smith, Evans, Conroy;
McVittie, Collins, McPhail, Wilson, Fernie

Att:- n/a

Bertie Peacock missed the match as he was in the 'Ireland' team which drew 0-0 with Wales in Belast on the same day.

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:11 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry for being a nuisance bhoys where in Motherwell was the reserve game played ? If anyone knows...?

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bieniex COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:14 COMMENT-BODY:anyone know what happened to estado james forrest and p*ddy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:15 COMMENT-BODY:This Day 1960

Haffey, McKay and Evans were in the Scotland team that drew 1-1 with England at Hampden. Haffey saved a penalty from Charlton (surely more than 12 yards out ????). -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:15 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear, friend... True Tim @16.36.

I heartily agree,pal... thanks for bringing this player's availabiliy ...to our attention.

We were informed by my wee pal ...collie... last season... that Celtic were most anxious to sample the wares of this PIEMAN...
a Nomme de Plume that the wee dug had designated to him..

If we were interested last season..I see no reason why we should not still be interested..

We shal wait and see.

Kojo.
yer pal... who likes ye. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:16 COMMENT-BODY:o1bhoy -

the most recent one was in the loyalist enclave that is Shotts, ML7 - Bon Accord ground.

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:17 COMMENT-BODY:01bhoy

See 16.56 - think it was Monday at 1pm? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:19 COMMENT-BODY:Ed,

A agree with your assessment of the average Rangers fan and Rangers employee.

History is something that we Celtic fans acclaim to know a lot of.

Historically the SFA has been Rangers protection racket not due to a love of Rangers but a hatred mainly of Catholics and Irish republicans bordering on the pathological.

It always comes out in the wash eventually.

Sir George Graham

James Farry

and in ten years from now we will be reading how Murray desperate too offload Rangers and been seen to offload Rangers in a positive light pulled quite a few strings to make sure that his last throw of the dice was loaded.

I am not using this as an excuse for presently being 2nd in the SPL. Rangers have improved.It´s hard to spend 10m and not improve.

There is no proverbial level playing field and I honestly believe that. Not just in football but in every walk of life in Scotland. I have been away for 21 years and return regularly and it still astonishes me what a backwater Scotland is when it comes to dealing with Catholics and the Irish in a modern way. Ironically if it wasn´t for the beloved union it might well have went down the road to Bosnia. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the long wait is over COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:21 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt

absolutely terrifying.

All he and the guy front row furthest left need are a couple of banjos and soon it'll be squeeeeel little piggy!

TLWIO -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear friend... Bloke109

Thanks for the correct time-line.

I shall inform the proper authorites regarding your absence at the game...

I will write on the Excuse Note... that... "your presence was unfortunately. required ...elsewhere."

I am sure that the Teach. will accept that as an unobjectionable explanation... sure beats...

"My dog ate it!"

Kojo.
yer pal....who likes yer style. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:01bhoy

Fishal site has the game at Wednesday April 2 at 1pm (Hannah Park) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:29 COMMENT-BODY:Winningemmell...

Cheers yea think a played there...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TontineTim COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:32 COMMENT-BODY:• At 08/04/08 19:15, Burning_Bush said…

“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you”. Don’t know who said it, always appreciated the truth in it, but now I’m concerned it’s settled into the very fabric of the Celtic support. Lads, the majority of the Scottish press want us to lose; they’ll write negative stories before every big game, hunt our players for misbehaviour and turn a blind eye to Rangers players’ indiscretion. The majority of the SFA hierarchy wants us to lose; our players will be booked for goal celebrations that Rangers players exceed, the most talented player in the country will be booked more times than thugs and 50/50 penalties won’t be awarded. But this is straightforward bias, not a massive conspiracy, and most importantly……THIS IS NOTHING NEW.

It was exactly the same last season, 5 years ago, ten years ago, twenty…you get my point.

*excellent viewpoint BB, as you say it’s always been this way going back tae when Queens Park and Third Lanark were replaced by the Harland and Wolfe sporting division as the establishments favourites to stop the rampant advancement of the “bog Irish”.

However, when we have had weak leadership they’ve not been too bothered with us as we were not a threat, it’s only when our men at the top have been strong that we are seen as a threat tae the second biggest establishment in the country, in my lifetime Big Jock, Big Billy, MON and even the Bunnet took them on and won and I suppose we could include Willie Maley in this as well.

With our strong leaders came accountability, as Jock often said as long as we put the ball in the net more than them then we have nothing to worry about, he also said that you make your own luck

During the latter stages of the Jimmy McGrory years as well as Brady, Macari, Tommy Burns we have been too weak and took on the mantle of victims, martyrs might be a better word.

I was a wee bit hesitant to through in Davie Hay as he won trophies and gave us Love Street; however, he was found wanting after the beast arrived.

So where does WGS fit, is he a victim or is he accountable, are they that afraid of him that they pull the same kind of stunts as 2003, the next 7 games will decide that.

“I believe above the storm the smallest prayer will still be heard;
I believe that someone in the great somewhere hears every word;
Every time I hear a new born baby cry or touch a leaf or see the sky then I know why I believe” -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:33 COMMENT-BODY:TLWIO - if only someone would post a link to say, Carla Bruni, we could put the nightmare behind us.

BUrquhart makes DDodds look like DTennant. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:39 COMMENT-BODY:dontbrattbackinanger...

Scottish Grand National Sat...
King Harald 50/1 in case ye like a wee flutter...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:39 COMMENT-BODY:A muckhole that makes Myrrh Park look like a muckhole, hardly Hannah from Heaven -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the long wait is over COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:47 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt

re Carla

ok then , just for you

Carla -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

barcabhoy COMMENT-DATE:09/04/08 17:49 COMMENT-BODY:aw naw @17.19

"it's hard to spend £10 million and not improve"

you think so ? have you been watching us recently -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR: