Last night is going to hurt. Brendan will hurt, as will the players. As far as our European objectives for this season are concerned – remain involved beyond Christmas – it is close to meaningless, but it will not feel that way.
The players need to make that hurt work for them. Two weeks today, they face Anderlecht. The unpleasant taste of defeat should remain on the taste buds when we take the field in Brussels. This is our opportunity to cleanse the palate. Bottle the hurt, don’t let it escape, let the mood remain sombre.
Use it as a embryo of growth. Be sharper, fitter, more alert and clinical. Take the positives from last night, and there were some, and build on them.
Competitive football is ruthless. Players who reach the Champions League have all filtered through hundreds of iterations of selection and rejection. Last night will have brought the spectre of rejection closer to home than any of them experienced during the Invincible Experience.
If they perform as they can, they will win in Brussels. Do that, and they will justifiably feel better about their place in the great football food chain.
Spare a thought today for others who delighted in our demise last night. The morning after is when they will have realised that defeat just means we redouble our efforts to improve.
Pitch Invader
Oh, and the pitch invader: sue him for whatever fine Uefa impose. It was a mindless attempted assault. The reputational damage to Celtic fans from this type of action is incalculable, which the club must show concern for. The consequences are never appropriately served on the offender. Let them act with apparent impunity (a ban is irrelevant to some) and you let them cause real damage the reputation of Celtic fans.
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Ignominy on both sides Connaire.
Dida collapsed with what looked like a subdural haematoma after having been tapped or patted on the back. His ridicule was matched by that dished out to the fud who ‘tapped him up’.
Bada
Jumping let him down a bit
Still thought he was going to win coming over the last
that was horrendous last night – they were so good, everywhere on the pitch and we took 50 minutes to have a go, agree with Paul – It’s a must that it informs how we do vs anderlecht
WITS- Me too mate,unlucky HH
PSG had 6 shots on target.
5 went in.
We need someone who’s good in goals.
The night we beat Barca- 2-1 they had 16 ( sixteen ) shots on target.
It’s staring us in the face.
Please… someone explain how a football pitch can be INVADED by a single numpty, no matter what the match.
I hate when “journalists” are sloppy with their vocabulary – and believe me, it does nothing for their already-dodgy credibility.
For example, see BBC Sport Scotland’s article(s) on this unfortunate incident.
However, constant bad usage of the language permeates into our own writing.
We end up thinking like them…
Not the hottest topic at the moment I know (I have commented about last night’s game and the other big issues CFC face on this and other blogs …).
Never underestimate the power of words.
Gardez la foi.
THE EXILED TIM on 13TH SEPTEMBER 2017 4:16 PM
Thom
Yip, 100% in agreement, thing is imo, we have good players who with top coaching can only get better.
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I blame the tea!
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/marco-asensio-to-miss-real-madrids-champions-league-opener-with-infected-pimple-after-shaving-his-legs/ar-AArRhe2?li=BBoPWjP
Seriously….?
Fed up hearing how wonderful PSG were and they would do that to any team etc… Celtic as a club simply failed to prepare properly for this level of match. The board or the manager refused to bring in defenders when we DESPERATELY need them. I dont buy into “we only bring players in who will improve the team nonsense” – we needed defenders and defenders of similar quality would have helped the team. young ralston did ok , he has potential – . but i guarantee if it was lustig caught on the wrong side on so many occasions he would be roasted on here. On top of this BR got too romantic and just didn’t set the team up – we needed pace in there and a much more defensive mindset.
I speak honestly but some on here just dont take it – Larson and Sutton both agree btw
Let the SMSM have their wee digs and barbs,A week on Saturday their faces will revert to their normal,dour,Presbyterian,countenance.
A hun was giving a wee mate stick earlier’ don’t worry,we’ll get those 5 goals back next week….’ he said to him…..
Wonder if UEFA take action like shutting a stand for guy on park
Will we ask SFA to apply same criteria to recent ipox incident
when our captain was approached ?
Splendid gesture by CorkCelt and his friend Mike donating to Mary Meals just to see Celtic.
FFP is it real ?
Mark Doyle0
http://www.goal.com/en-us/article/master-uuid/j1xmge8bgjoy1enf796l5mrgm?utm_content=buffera8297&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign
Sep 12, 2017 3:00:31 AM
UEFA have opened an investigation into the Qatari-owned club’s “recent transfer activity” but are PSG in the wrong — or is the whole system flawed?
SPECIAL REPORT
No matter where one’s loyalties lie, it was hard not to feel a little sympathy for Brendan Rodgers when it emerged that Celtic would not only have to face a Paris Saint-Germain side featuring Neymar in this season’s Champions League but also Kylian Mbappe.
“If PSG sign Mbappe too, you may as well rip up FFP!” the Bhoys boss fumed ahead of deadline day.
Certainly, Monaco vice-president Vadim Vasilyev was just as intrigued to hear exactly how PSG intended to adhere to UEFA’s Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations when the capital club made an official approach for the 18-year-old striker just before the close of the summer transfer window.
“The talks were very complicated,” the Russian told TASS. “We couldn’t understand how they could sign the player without breaking the FFP regulations.”
It was a fair point. Mbappe, the most exciting teenager in the world, arriving at the Parc des Princes in the same summer PSG had broken the transfer world record by paying €222 million for Neymar left many within football utterly bemused.
Rodgers Al-Khelaif PSG FFP PS
To many, it seemed like the clearest case yet of what Arsene Wenger had infamously christened “financial doping”. How, in a supposed era of self-sustainability and tighter spending restrictions governed by UEFA’s FFP regulations, had PSG managed to legally sign two of the most valuable players in the world in the space of a month?
Jurgen Klopp was perplexed. “I thought that [Financial] Fair Play was made so that situations like that can’t happen,” the Liverpool boss admitted before adding, scathingly, “But then, [FFP] is more of a suggestion than a real rule.”
Perhaps stung by the very public questioning of their FFP regulations, UEFA opened an investigation into PSG — the second such time they had done so, having punished the Qatari-funded Parisians in May 2014 when the club’s sponsorship agreement with the Qatar Tourism Authority was deemed to have an unfair value by an independent investigation panel.
Along with a €60m fine — reduced to €20m after the meeting of FFP targets a year on — PSG had their Champions League squad limited to 21 players in 2014-15 and subjected to a series of spending restrictions.
This time around, though, the focus was “the compliance of the club with the break-even requirement, particularly in light of its recent transfer activity.
“UEFA considers FFP to be a crucial governance mechanism, which aims to ensure the financial sustainability of European Club Football.”
Indeed, FFP, the brain-child of former UEFA president Michel Platini, was approved in 2010 in an effort to force clubs to spend within their means — to bring an end to them racking up huge debts and running the risk of bankruptcy.
According to UEFA themselves, FFP essentially means that clubs “have to prove they have paid their bills”. If they haven’t, they can be excluded from competing in continental competitions.
Basically, the goal is to ensure that all clubs adhere to their break-even requirements over three-year periods. But they can spend up to €5m more than they earn in every assessment period “if it is entirely covered by a direct contribution/payment from the club owner(s) or related party”.
The current overdraft limit is €30m (2015-16, 2016-17, 2017-18) but what PSG have rather cleverly done is persuaded Monaco to allow them to take Mbappe on loan for a season before then paying their Ligue 1 rivals €180m to buy the player outright.
Neymar Kylian Mbappe PSG
This is nothing new within the world of football, of course, with Italian clubs, in particular, having used this book-balancing device to great effect for years. All PSG have done is ensured that the deals for Neymar and Mbappe will not appear on the same budget sheet, thus making it far easier for them to meet the FFP guidelines.
Of course, some pundits and financial experts were already questioning how the Neymar transfer did not breach the regulations on its own.
After all, PSG had not only met Neymar’s €222m buy-out clause, they had also handed the Selecao star a five-year contract with an annual net wage of €30m, and paid a further €40m in commission bonuses to the Brazilian’s father and agent, Neymar Santos Sr.
Under the FFP regulations, wages cannot account for more than 70 per cent of a club’s income. In 2016, 54% of PSG’s revenue was being spent on their players’ salaries.
However, even with Neymar’s colossal €60m gross wage, and Mbappe’s €20m a year pay packet, PSG’s salary spending still only constitutes 68.5% of their income, meaning they are not contravening FFP requirements.
The greater issue for PSG, though, will be their overall expenditure.
They made a €10m profit in 2016, but having Neymar and Mbappe on their books has now seen their annual expenses rise by approximately €124m (€80m in wages and €44m in amortization of the Neymar transfer fee), and that figure will rise to about €160m from 2018-19, when the annual depreciation of €36m on the €180m that PSG are paying for the Frenchman is taken into account.
PSG believe that this surge in spending will be offset by the boost in merchandising sales that they have triggered by acquiring two of the most marketable footballers on the planet.
Javier Tebas LFP
However, it is the area of commercial income which PSG’s critics question most in relation to FFP.
According to Deloitte’s 2017 Football Money League, PSG already make over €300m a year from commercial revenue, accounting for 58% of their annual income. This means they claim to make more money commercially than behemoths Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Sceptics have asked how a club that was only formed in 1970, have never won the Champions League (and only two French league titles until 2013) and are not even the most popular team in France (that honour goes to Marseille) can possibly generate the most commercial income from around the world?
Of course, the fact that PSG have a €175M sponsorship deal with the Qatar Tourism Authority certainly helps, but it naturally leads to more questions.
La Liga president Javier Tebas (pictured above) blasted: “PSG accounts reflect that they have more commercial income than Real Madrid, which is to say that their brand value is bigger. Well, that is impossible.
“They are laughing at the system. You have got to say it in these terms. We caught them p***ing in the swimming pool. If Neymar is up on the diving board, he’s p***ing from the diving board. At least we need to open a file, this needs to be investigated.
“We carried out this study of all the accounts, comparing the different income streams, sponsorship, etc. PSG has a lot more from sponsorship than Manchester United. That is impossible. That is financial doping.”
PSG have reacted angrily to claims they are doing anything wrong.
“For people worrying about FFP,” PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi said at Mbappe’s unveiling, “go and have a coffee! We’re fine — there are no problems. What we’ve done is completely transparent and legal. As for what the media says, we honestly don’t care.”
Meanwhile, French Football Federation (FFF) president Noel Le Graet claimed that the only ones complaining about PSG’s spending are Europe’s elite clubs.
“There is a bit of jealousy, I think,” he argued. “In the big boys’ playground, it’s a bit difficult for them to accept a little newcomer.”
FIFPro PSG FFP PS
However, that is not really the case. Rodgers has publicly argued that there is something very wrong with the present system when even a side like Celtic, who boast great local support in Glasgow and Ireland, and a far greater history than that of PSG, cannot possibly compete in an era of such outrageous outlays on players.
“Since FFP was brought in, you could argue [that the spending has] gone the other way,” the English coach mused. “It’s obscene now.”
And this is the major issue: as things stand, there is no proof that PSG have broken any rules. What they have done, though, is shown UEFA’s FFP initiative to have failed dismally in its two main objectives: to control spending, and to close the gap between the haves and have-nots in European football.
“The world-record transfer of Brazilian Neymar from Barcelona to PSG is the latest example of how football is ever more the domain of a select group of rich, mostly European-based clubs,” FIFPro general-secretary Theo van Seggelen has pointed out.
“Football’s enormous wealth is trapped, research shows, within a few leagues and clubs when it could be redistributed more efficiently and fairly to help protect competitive balance, which is one of the fundamental objectives of the transfer system.
“FIFPro claims the inflated and distorted market, with escalating transfer fees at the heart of it, has helped to destroy competitive balance. The transfer rules governed by FIFA are anti-competitive, unjustified and illegal.”
At the very least, we can cay that UEFA’s FFP regulations are not working. PSG have proven that, so maybe Rodgers is right. Maybe it’s time to rip them up and start again.
Agree with all the criticism re radio shortbread, the guy that does the sports bulletins, Phil somebody or other, barely mentioned last nights game in any of his bulletins before the game. Post match however totally different, the glee in his voice was unmistakeable, you’d think it was his birthday. Apart from repeatedly mentioning the score line for anyone who missed it, he was most excited at the prospect of UEFA making us play behind closed doors on account of the one man pitch invasion. He’s got to be one of them.
Swearing and trolling on the internet is one thing, trying to make the Celtic CQN community into a respectable and well-mannered one is entirely different.
Ye see, whit ah would like tae know…..
the eeedjit that ran on to the pitch….
did he have his Scooby Doo! pyjamas oan….
Or, did he have his, Buzz Light Year wans oan ?
Hmmmmm ?
Whit pyjamas did, Brendan huv oan ?
Hmmmmmm ?
Jose would rather park 3 buses, than watch his team get a tanking.
Do, horses for courses managers wear pyjamas, in the dug oot ?
Pub Team Skelping Invincibles CSC
…..oot.
Did anyone,apart from some who put on a 2_1,3_2,win for Celtic,think we had a chance of winning last night?.I got pelters on here the day the draw was made for being raging at our luck,and arguing with people who were telling me”Its a great draw”.My biggest fear was a humping,and we got one.Before the draw,some were hoping for Real Madrid,FFS.I never want us to be near these teams.The Russians,Ukrainians,Benfica,Porto,pot 1 and 2 teams,we can probably give a game to.
Watching nearly most of Anderlecht game last night,it will be a bit of a battle.One we can win.
On the footballing side, I was surprised at the gamble Brendan took in Khazikstan with a novice defence, OK we were 5 nil up at the outset but the only way Astana were going to make a game of it was if we played a novice (never played together as a unit before) defence who would then play badly on the night, and we duly obliged. To take a similar gamble last night against the most expensive forward line in world football, wow, who would have thunk it. To me that was a far bigger surprise than the actual scoreline. Injuries of course haven’t helped him but we do have money in the bank – which clearly hasn’t helped him either. Lets hope its not a sign of things to come.
I hope some internet site sets up a crowdfund to pay the £400 fine.
HH.
GreenPinata
Why don’t you start one ?
https://es.gofundme.com/
HH
TET,
The thought crossed my mind, however from where I work it would be impossible to put in the required time and effort.
Unfortunately in this case, a follower rather than a leader.
HH.
ghirl in work made a good point that cb is the one position that clubs don’t like loaning/selling
GP
I would be an Indian rather than a Chief masel, I’m sure somebody will tho.
They do take a bit of looking after, the Mrs has a couple on the go for our rescue.
HH
with players with the calibre of psg and the big teams the speed of the football b rain is way up there.
no use having pr if we dont know when to move into a open space to receive the ball, its easy for us in scotland but the cl is a different story imo.
CONNAIRE12 on 13TH SEPTEMBER 2017 4:16 PM
The Battered Bunnet.
Thursday, 11 October 2007, 16:53 GMT 17:53 UK
Celtic fined as Dida receives ban.
Dida collapsed dramatically after a fan appeared to strike him near the end of AC Milan’s 2-1 defeat on 3 October. Dida was stretchered off after the incident in Glasgow.
Celtic have been fined £25,000 and AC Milan goalkeeper Dida has been banned for two matches following trouble at the recent Champions League game.
Last night was a sore one to take but we should take solace in the old saying that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, as long as you learn the lessons.
Brendan is human after all and makes mistakes. His team selection and tactics were wrong. We were up against a top flight team with far better players. Our team and tactics should have been constructed to contain or limit our exposure to their attacking prowess. Instead the idea seemed to be to play them at their game, the result under those circumstances was rather predictable.
The failure to strengthen the defence over the summer was a factor too. The defence is the weakest part of the side and should have been reinforced. We would still have lost last night but perhaps by a couple rather than a handful!
The rest of the CL will see us get better, of that I have no doubt because Brendan is an excellent coach and manager. We still have a chance of European football after Christmas and I firmly believe we have a fighting chance against Anderlecht. However against BM and PSG we seriously need to change tack and tactics. Before last night I thought that BM would be a bigger challenge as I thought they were a better all round team than PSG, but last night I was very impressed by the degree of cohesion that they played with. Perhaps that was partly down to us letting them play but they were bloody good to watch. It’s only a pity that Neymar and Alves are such poor sportsmen. They will damage their team’s reputation that’s for certain which will turn neutrals away from their club!
We now need to hand out some domestic thrashings to restore belief and confidence ahead of Anderlecht away. Fortunately we are down to play some Scottish diddy teams in the next three games! Let’s hand out some severe doings, which will also act as a GIRUY to the media who are taking such great delight in our temporary discomfort!
We should adopt Leigh’s mantra “Yer team’s deid mate, beat it!”
HH
You know something Bhoys.
I used to love fitba.
I would watch any game at any time.
Played it for years.
Not now.
Now I just love Celtic .
I only watch Celtic.
Don’t watch any other games.
The Champions League is grotesque.
Monster teams funded by nation states, swallowing up the top players.
Where’s the skill and aptitude in that?
Corrupt governing bodies from SFA to FIFA.
Really turns me off.
I hate that this has jaundiced my view of what really was the beautiful game.
Celtic play the beautiful game
Celtic supporters are beautiful
The rest can go to hell
HH
Having a reflective cider and cigar; the pain of last night has gone ,for me at least.
Nothing has changed in terms of what we have to do as far as I can see, take 4 points from Anderlecht and hope we don’t see Anderlecht get lucky. It’s a lottery I know, but that’s what we signed up for. Let’s get on with it, my lhad came up from London for the game and said it was the worst CL night he had attended at Celtic Park, he was sat beside a bunch of drunken neds who were a waste of time and did not care about the damage they inflict on our club. That’s a real pity. HH
Anyone who thinks Celtic is a football club is in error.
Celtic is a cultural phenomenon and will endure no matter what happens on the pitch.
Do we want to win every game? Of course.
Is that possible? Of course not.
Are we operating in an environment that provides a level playing field? We never have and probably never will.
At the end of the day though we’re a phenomenon that many look at with utter envy and would love to emulate. Some live locally.
Some live elsewhere. You can spend three-quarter of a billion £ trying to win the big cup and you may think you will achieve this. You will not.
A sore one to take – for sure. Only because we have very high expectations based on what we know is true. That we are unique and cannot be replicated no matter how much is spent.
How they are loving it! The BBC now saying in the preview to the 6.30 Scottish news that the idiot ( my word) that entered the field of play last night “attacked” the PSG player. I know it was not a happy situation, but the fan did not get to the point of striking a player. Or, did any of you actually see him assault on a player? I didn’t.
https://thecelticblog.com/2017/09/blogs/sevco-fans-are-gleeful-about-last-night-although-it-ultimately-dooms-them/
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Can’t say I was hurt by last nights result ,kind of expected a pumping. Disappointment best sums up my feelings that is disappointment in some of our players, imo totally over awed by the talent confronting them. I will not bother naming individuals but some of their play was shocking – as Brendan succinctly put it ‘played like 12 year olds’. I asked myself a question during the game, do some of those we laud every week flatter to deceive against mainly mediocre opposition players in Scotland but are prone to bottle it against better organised and more skillful players than we get in the SPFL? Not really convinced that is the case but last nights performance from some was an eye opener.
Sevcoites at work this morning all with huge grins until I said, lads I will go easy on you all next time we pump you now that I know how it feels to watch your team being outplayed and embarrassed by vastly superior players.
The push from McLaughlin and his cohorts at BBC Scotland for Celtic to be punished, what they are looking for is a section of the ground to be closed, should not be viewed in isolation, this offensive from the BBC is in my opinion being pushed due to Celtic holding the SFA up to scrutiny and asking for an Independent Review of the SFA actions in view of their administration failures, by intent or incompetence. So no surprise to me that one of the most incompetent/excuse for a journo is leading the push. I know some former employees of the BBC have had position within the SFA , have they something hide?
What Larks
DiningAtTheTopTable CSC
Still coming to terms with the manner of that defeat last night to Quatar’s expensively assembled puppets. It may be a small consolation to know that this team has been sweeping aside all before it in the French league to date and as soon as they hammer some other big team in Europe, which they undoubtedly will, last night’s fiasco at Celtic Park will be forgotten. I know we were short some important players but I expected Celtic who now have a settled team after a season playing sparkling football under Brendan Rodgers would give these guys a game.
With these days of heightened security all around Europe i imagine the club is going to be hit hard by UEFA after that guy got onto the pitch which showed gross incompetence by the security people.
Celtic have five more games to play in the Champions League so forget about last night and with the return of the injured players the team can still bounce back and restore some pride.
BBC Sevcosound trying to say there’s the same difference in budgets between Scottish clubs and us and us v PSG.
Errr, yes – maybe just a few hundred million difference!