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I don’t get the flares thing. It’s not a part of my going-to-see-Celtic tradition. But if it was my thing, I’d have the courage of my convictions, I wouldn’t hide the fact.

There are consequences of bringing flares to football games, always has been. By not having the courage to openly ignite them, those consequences are not personalised to the individuals who regard this as an integral part of what they do at a football game, they are visited upon everyone in the vicinity, as well as the club.

The problem with flares at Celtic games is those who bring them hide the fact – as they clearly know there are consequences, and presumably aren’t too interested in taking responsibility for them. ‘Keen on flares, not keen enough to stand up for them’, is why the issue persists.

I get the attraction to bright, shiny, things, but this isn’t a campaign to bring the vote to disenfranchised people against a force who will execute the offender on sight. It’s about bringing a flare to a football game. If it’s so important, do it openly. If you think Health and Safety are simply wrong, find the evidence and use it in court. Have the courage to change something.  I know lots of Celtic fans who have had the courage to put their name to something they believed in, in recent years.  It’s seldom easy, but it has been done.

But in the years of this debate no one has ever pointed to evidence that igniting flares in a football ground is a clever thing to do. It’s just a ‘look at me’ exercise, ‘But don’t look at my face’, of course.

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Episode 5 of ‘A Celtic State of Mind’ finds Paul John Dykes and Kevin Graham discussing a variety of topical subjects concerning Celtic Football Club, including:

* What now for the Green Brigade?
* Dedryck Boyata – Are reinforcements on route?
* Virgil van Dijk – The windfall cometh;
* Emilio Izaguirre – Moving on.

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  1. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    No reply from JP so sitting here on tenderhooks waiting to see if my mini and nephew have been classed as knuckle draggers and are excluded from the match on Wednesday

     

     

    Section 111

     

     

    As this is lower section it seems they are caught in the cross fire or friendly fire as it was alluded to yesterday

     

     

    Thanks to Bateen Bhoy and Cowiebhoy for the kind offers

     

     

     

    Timreaper

     

     

    No flounce from me, I took more meds and slept like a baby, tramadol and amitriptyline have that effect on the body

  2. Seems a tad late to be complaining about flares at Hearts game that took place weeks ago?

     

     

    Why no comment at the time Paul67?

     

     

    I apologise in advance if I missed a previous comment.

     

     

    Can we now be assured that like sections of Celtic fans Huns attending Celtic park bringing their sectarian hatred, damaging facilities, blocking passage ways and standing unsafely in seated areas willin future be banned from the ground?

     

     

    No? Na I didn’t think so!

     

     

    MWD

  3. It rather depends on what you mean by ‘flares’.

     

     

    They seem to be devices which emit smoke rather than light.

     

     

    A bit like the debate surrounding them.

  4. As Voltaire didn’t say:

     

     

    “I defend to my death your right to ignite flares, thereby distressing others and causing the fire brigade to be called.”

  5. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Macjay,

     

     

    to claim ‘our’ Celtic implies there has been a contribution more than lip service and blind faith that those at the top are doing more than simply filling their pockets and belly at the supporters expense, something I’m not convinced on,

     

     

    Remember they are servants of the club nothing more and the club is nothing without supporters so maybe they should be doing their job of protecting the club against external threats before they start attacking supporters eh.

     

     

    I mean how much money do you think the club lost through cheating and fraud by the SFA and the hun ?

     

     

     

    That agenda doesn’t suit them because they are as corrupt as the SFA and the hun so put a couple of ringers into the GB have their ringers provide pointless banners that distract from the real issues and create division.

     

     

    And why you may ask do I believe this to be the case, quite simply, the board are in charge of security at the gate, nothing gets in to the stadium without their say so, so if banners are unfurled at games then the board ok’d them and are responsible, not those who unfurl them. This is very simple deductive logic, there are no leaps of faith needed here.

     

     

    So try and think like a big logical grown up for a change and stop being led around by the nose like a moron, the banners are never a surprise to security or the board who are provided daily security updates, they are unfurled and shown to security before entry and usually a day or two before the game, then stored inside the stadium in a wee cupboard reserved for the GB displays.

     

     

    Now why would the Plc want the club reprimanded by the meeja and UEFA, what else would the board like to distract attention from ?

     

     

    The two sides of the same coin suits the Plc as much as it suits the SFA baw deep in corruption that’s why and any chance to create division is always the the way of the corrupt. Age old distraction game.

  6. BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 22ND JULY 2017 9:23 AM

     

     

    Forgive my pedantry, but it’s tenterhooks, not tenderhooks.

  7. Thanks for that, Paul67. You’re absolutely right. What I can’t get my head round is that the Green Brigade don’t sort them out. Flares in a football ground are nothing but a hazard.

  8. Tried a football post and Paul goes and puts up a new article , you’ve got to laugh.

     

    Anyway, better get back to work.

  9. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    If you set off a flare or any other type of firework in Marks and Spencers on a Saturday – do you think that would be viewed as being in any way acceptable?

     

     

    So why would anyone think it’s OK to do so in the enclosed spaces of Celtic Park or any other football ground?

  10. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Ernie

     

    I know but I corrected autocorrect..

     

     

    As I said meds are great a dulling the senses..

     

    ☘️☘️☘️. :-))

  11. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    If you were lost at sea would it be ok to set off a flare ?

     

     

    I mean some of the dim witted supporters that believe the board don’t know what is on GB banners before they are unfurled at games are all at sea and should obviously be allowed to set off as many flares as they can find.

  12. Bateen Bhoy ***STRIP THE TITLES*** on

    No flares ?

     

    I guess i need to refresh my wardrobe then.

     

     

    SaturdaynightfeverCSC

  13. Paul 67 Agree re the use of flares which occurred 8 weeks ago on May 21st. If the board and CQN felt so strongly about this issue why was action not taken at the time instead of now being used as the excuse to ban Celtic supporters from CP. Hh

  14. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 22ND JULY 2017 9:24 AM

     

     

    I don`t have a problem with most of what you say.

     

     

    Except this ” That agenda doesn’t suit them because they are as corrupt as the SFA and the hun ”

     

     

    I don`t believe that , because I have had no evidence to prove that it is so .

     

    I like evidence , not conjecture .

     

     

    I think I read that the banners were smuggled into the game . I Don`t know. How could I know ?

     

     

    The difference in our standpoints is basic .

     

    I trust our Board.

     

    I suspect that you do not .

     

     

    Incidentally .

     

    I would enjoy the continuation , without rancour , of full and frank discussion with you about what we have in common.

     

    And that is lots.

  15. Canalamar.

     

     

    The world is going to wrack and ruin because of people like you. Your ferocious certainty that you are absolutely right about absolutely everything is unsettling.

     

     

    Make room for doubt in your life, hermano, it’s good for the soul.

  16. Bateen Bhoy ***STRIP THE TITLES*** on

    Blantyretim.

     

    Offer stands up until kick-off time for Jam Tarts game. I’ll be in Glasgow that weekend.

     

    It’s a print at home ticket, so if you need it, i will send you PDF.

     

    Let’s see how things go between now and then.

     

     

    HH friend.

  17. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    BATEEN BHOY ***STRIP THE TITLES***

     

     

    Thanks for the offer re ticket but I’ll be fine it’s my daughter and nephew who have been caught in the crossfire

  18. Canalamar

     

     

     Funny enough a caller to Clyde last night was a steward explaining the difficulties of stopping folk who want to smuggle banners etc into the ground from doing so.

     

     

     His solution was a thorough search of everyone. That comes at a cost of course because to allow folk to be seated in time you need more stewards or risk losing supporters who cannot or will not turn up earlier.

     

     

     His explanation based on his experience sounded honest to me.

     

     

    Occams Razor.

  19. Compare and contrast Celtic’s reaction to Res 12 with their reaction to some smoke bombs and a banner.

     

     

    Then work out what their priorities are.

  20. The club have told us more than once that all banners will be inspected prior to entering the ground.

     

    I also know for a fact that the poles that hold some banners are banned from the ground, there can be no excuse for them getting in, banners will be easier to conceal, but 6-10 foot poles !!!!! unless…..

     

    As for the flares at the game in May, why the silence till now ?

     

    I don’t agree with the flares btw.

  21. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    macjay,

     

    I have had dealings with the board and my impression is that they are on message with the SFA regarding Res12 therefore are ok with corruption, from that we can reasonably apply that if you are ok with corruption then its because you hold the same values as the corrupt. Tony D has been advised of that all along by members of the board which he has not been shy about letting us know exactly what the board want, and that is the Res12 disappears and is forgotten about. You can believe anything you want, call anything including evidence that proves a point as conjecture till your as blue in the face. The issue is the same, why did the board refuse to take on Res12 when there is and was factual and presentable evidence to win any legal court case. Answer for me is simple, they are up to their necks in it and it is political their politics.

  22. Bateen Bhoy ***STRIP THE TITLES*** on

    BT, offer is good for either of them, if they need it. Both deserve to be there more than I do.

  23. If anyone didn’t know how sleekit our PLC are then the historic flare raising big issue is evidence of the lengths they will go to to slate our own fans.

     

     

    8 weeks delay. Why?

     

     

    Is it because a large section of the support sympathise with the midweek display, as evidenced when even a large number in the Sean South Stand joined in with the Rebs on Wednesday, so they have to conjure up an issue they know the majority are against. Flares?

     

     

    No one should ever wear flares in 2017!

     

     

    MWD

  24. Macjay

     

     

    I don’t trust The Board.

     

     

    I trust my judgement that they are human and sometimes they will get things right and sometimes they won’t.

     

     

    Like all of us they will makes mistakes and like all of us will either learn from them or they won’t.

     

     

    I find gratitude is a healthy attitude when they get it right and forgiveness after the natural annoyance or anger has subsided enough is healthy when they don’t.

     

     

    Im talking about my health of course.

  25. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Auldheid,

     

    Really, how very convenient eh

     

    A security guard who is paid for and reports to a board who are responsible for all displays at the stadium are blaming supporters who managed to shove a massive banner up their juke, or did they hide it in the camels hump, oh and how come no one caught them smuggling a camel into the stadium, give it a copulating rest auldheid what a load of hogwash. The banner got in and was displayed because the board wanted it in and displayed and no other reason. Its a simple divide and conquer game to distract from Res12 and strip the titles, create division and stop co-operation their biggest fear is co-operation as they become an irrelevance.

  26. GORDON64 on 22ND JULY 2017 9:40 AM

     

    Paul 67 Agree re the use of flares which occurred 8 weeks ago on May 21st. If the board and CQN felt so strongly about this issue why was action not taken at the time instead of now being used as the excuse to ban Celtic supporters from CP. Hh

     

     

    The Board is giving the Green Brigade enough rope to hand itself. And in its stupidity, the GB is putting the noose round its own neck.

     

     

    The Board is more than happy to use any fallout as a smokescreen to bury Res 12.

  27. The deflections, squirrels, and whatabouterie, are on full max now, it’s hilarious, reminds me of the SFA/SPFL defending strip the titles from thems :))

  28. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 22ND JULY 2017 9:51 AM

     

     

     

    I have no reason to dispute what you say because I have no evidence to support or refute what you say .

     

    I do respect your determination and that of Auldheid to get to the root of the unquestionable corruption within the powers who rule our game in Scotland.

     

    No argument from me on that score.

     

    Difficult to have an opinion from afar , but I very much hope that the Board pursue these issues to the extent to which they are able .

     

    Realism suggests that without tangible support from other Clubs , then we are ploughing a lonely furrow.

     

    To nowhere.

     

    As I said , respect to you for your efforts in pushing for justice.

     

    We all know what a hard road that can be .

  29. Moonbeams

     

     

    I joined in The Soldiers Song because I like it and had a bit of a schadenfreude chuckle at its impact on the Linfield supporters who react to that sort of thing.

     

     

    Never saw the banners, never gave them a thought and never thought I was doing anything other than a wee wind up. They do bring out the worst in me.

     

     

    We were all at the wind up but I was pretty sure singing the national anthem of Eire was not going to be portrayed as support for terrorism and so bite Celtic.

  30. We’re waiting for the reaction of the Board when the results of the SPFL review of the Supreme Court decision are made public.

     

     

    It’s unsettling that PL has resigned from the SPFL Board but we’ll wait and see.

     

     

    We’ve been told on here to expect little.

     

     

    This ban on the 900 looks like turning into a fiasco.

     

     

    There should have been ongoing public communication by Celtic about the possibility of the non renewal of the Safety Cert after the Hearts game. That would have put pressure on the GB (or whoever). I’m not aware of flares being an issue on Wednesday.

     

     

    Regarding banners in Sect 111, I’ve always believed that the large banners should be brought to the ground a couple of hours before the match. Not perfect I know but that would allow the club the opportunity to review them before the main support arrives.

     

     

    These banners aren’t the type of things that are readily concealed ‘up your juke’.

     

     

    I can’t see why protocols haven’t been put in place to prevent this. Especially in high risk games.

     

     

    As usual hopefully just poor management by the club and the GB walking straight into a trap.

     

     

    This Board gave us Ronny for two seasons. Their competence is in question.

  31. But but but there was -no flares-smoke devices at the Linfield game.

     

    We are now living in the nanny state . Health and saftey rules every where. Risk assessments for every task. Still had the Grenfell fire though

     

    Going to football was always a bit edgy. Now it getting more and more sanitised. Sit quietly and watch the game go home. Progress?

  32. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    macjay,

     

    here’s the rub, I couldn’t give a funkey’s muck about other clubs, other clubs are not responsible to protect my interests as a shareholder of Celtic FC, this board are and to date they have failed to do that. Their failure to protect my interests as a shareholder has reduced the income the club were entitled to and this is unforgivable. In fact heads should role for this dereliction of duty.

  33. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    AULDHEID on 22ND JULY 2017 9:54 AM

     

    Macjay

     

     

     

    I don’t trust The Board.

     

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    Well .

     

    That`s two of youze .

     

    That`s me outnumbered as bloody usual .

     

     

    :-)

     

     

    Go for it .

     

    But you are aligned against City Hall.

     

     

    When I have evidence to mistrust our Board , I will .

     

    And not before.

     

     

    Tammany Hall in the Celtic Board Room ?

     

    I would hate to think so .

     

    What would be their motive ?

     

    Bickies ?

     

    Surely they , collectively , have enough of those .

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