TITLE: Scotland vulnerable to racial intolerance gestated in football AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/29/2008 12:17:00 PM ----- BODY: Aiden McGeady is the victim of more racial crime than any other individual in Scotland. He is regularly the subject of assault and racial abuse and at 22-years-old, cannot walk the streets of Glasgow alone. I have sympathy for the police, who are seldom aware or involved in Aiden’s problems, I have sympathy too for the football authorities, who are charged with the responsibility of protecting young players from hoards of profane Neanderthals, but at a time of significant immigration, Scotland cannot be allowed to turn into a ghetto of racial hate. I have been reluctant to write about the truly awful, “go back home” chants heard from the visiting support at Celtic Park on Sunday, as I am a Scot, and feel the image of my country has been violated by such racial intolerance, but the slide must be stopped. Football has been hijacked as a breeding ground for racial intolerance all over the world and difficult though it is to combat, Fifa and Uefa have found ways. Whether it is a Polish goalkeeper celebrating a Polish Pope (and goalkeeper) or a Scottish born winger playing for Ireland, which he is entitled to do, Scotland’s institutions; the police, football authorities, education authorities, the media, even you and I, must continue to repeat the mantra; One Scotland, many cultures, until its resonance penetrates the thickest of skulls. Aiden in particular needs all our support; he is not here to become a poster boy for protest, he just wants to play for Celtic and enjoy a normal life. -------- TITLE: Aberdeen - Dundee United game could determine final day motivation AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/28/2008 10:27:00 PM ----- BODY: One of the reasons points look so difficult to collect right now is that two of the top six are chasing the league title and another three are chasing the Uefa Cup spot, but Aberdeen have an interesting couple of weeks ahead. They play Dundee United at home next, followed by a visit to Motherwell. With Motherwell, Hibs and Dundee United all playing Celtic and Rangers over this period, Aberdeen will hope that two wins will bridge the gap and set them up for a final day showdown against Rangers. Of course, if they beat Dundee United on Saturday, only a point for United at Ibrox is likely to see them still in the hunt for a Uefa place when they play Celtic on the last day. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:First post? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:Podium? Night night -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:Well that is a turn u for the books -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:32 COMMENT-BODY:a wee tune -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:35 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

It would be interesting to know the statistics for the last 6 games of a season - how often have the champions managed to get 15 points out of 18?

A bit of late night homework for someone!

VertWolf -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:35 COMMENT-BODY:sir j stein,
dont kid yourself, if it hadnt been THG then it would have probably been lennon brazenly celebrating the celtic victory with ginger hair, or some other such muck, I'm actuall begining to believe it was a GIRUY to the press
and they swallowed it hook line and sinker, such anti-catholic headlines in airports around the world will continue to inform the world how this bigoted little backwater deals with such religous abuse, to any semi-intellegent literal person the attack on THG shows intolerance. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:37 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67.

I don't know if you saw,When they were doing their Nazi salute at the game Yesterday,
An Israeli flag was being waved in the same area of the ground,

For the life of me I can't work out why,The Nazi salute,and an Israeli flag should be in
the same area of the ground,they just don't go hand in hand -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:39 COMMENT-BODY:could'nt resist it....

lets all laugh at Rangers -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:The support at our remaining away games will belt it out big time but we need another huge response from the supporters, similar to yesterday, in the final home game versus Hibs.

STAND UP FOR THE 3 IN A ROW CHAMPIONEES. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

emusanorphan COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim

I am sure the Palestinian people would see no contradiction with the flag and salutes. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

What did I tell you yesterday?

Was I correct or not?

Great to see you and

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:45 COMMENT-BODY:Presumably things will quieten down a bit in the build-up to the game in Florence.

I just hope the Florentines are locking up their statues. I mean, using Francesc Macià as a urinal was one thing, but Michelangelo's David suffering the same fate would be too much to take. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:48 COMMENT-BODY:VertWolf, good point.

Oldtim67, I paid no attention to anything they did. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:49 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42

Can we fit soothsayer into your title somewhere?

Great to meet your goodself and the two rascals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha Ha.

Wis there no a band called the 3 rascals? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:49 COMMENT-BODY:just remembered the bbc highlights, just puts that grin back on my face:oD -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:50 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:52 COMMENT-BODY:So what's the difference?
The huns have short memories.
CLICK HERE -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:53 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:53 COMMENT-BODY:Smelltheglove @ 19:32

Apologies if someone has already replied to your question. My vision was going a bit blurred while quickly scanning through this evenings posts; and eventually gave up trying when reading became a losing battle (a bit like Rangers).

I believe tramp Novo’s tattoo is five stars. The comical reference to every ten championships won. I understand he took great delight at highlighting this to the hordes who he has endeared himself to during his lap of defeat on Sunday.

I sincerely hope we are justifiably and rightly joyous when we win our 50th championship (hopefully in 2016? eleven-in-a-row! Sore feet!). But I would cringe at the thought of an embarrassing show of nothingness if we were to similarly display such multiple stars. Which I trust we wouldn’t.

Quality over quantity every time.

Even when we win the big cup again – one star. It does indeed mean more. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

NatKnow COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:56 COMMENT-BODY:EDB - Are you thinking of The Young Rascals who had a hit with "Groovin' (On A Sunday Afternoon)"......
..... which is exactly what we were doing yesterday! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

caymanbhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:00 COMMENT-BODY:email sent to UUP deputy leader.
Dear Sir

I am originally from Glasgow and in light of the reporting of the recent ‘old firm “game and your subsequent comments in the “Belfast News Letter” I have been trying unsuccessfully to explain your remarks to normal level headed people who although they are Christians have not been exposed to bigotry or sectarianism.

Why is it that wearing a t-shirt of a dead religious leader prompts you to say?

“This act needs to be explored and should not be overlooked.”

Is it because it was an image of the pope or would any other dead religious leader cause this comment?

"Celtic have a responsibility to ensure that no action by players should exacerbate the conflicting situation.

What conflicting situation?

"The player should be ashamed of himself and the manager should reflect on his inability to condemn it and to deal with it properly."

Ashamed of what exactly?

Shouldn’t free expression and religious expression be protected by elected representatives, would you care to comment on what your reaction would have been if the image was changed to The Dali lama? What about Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King?

I put it to you sir that you are a bigot who represents bigots; please lead your constituents into the all inclusive society enjoyed by most in the free world, the dividends will be enormous.

I welcome your comments. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:00 COMMENT-BODY:NatKnow

I wasn't but that was a great favourite of mine.

Thanks for the memory. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:01 COMMENT-BODY:One Star Means More

Yes I do indeed, but since I don’t have too many records I think it would be rather extravagant to buy one, especially when I want to get a decent thingymagig to convert all my negs into digital. This modern world is a nuisance, I’m being forced wi’ my arm twisted up ma back to convert to digitalism.
I would rather wear a Pope T-shirt, and stay a catholic :-)

HHB -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:03 COMMENT-BODY:My apologies for continuing this one. Having noted the numerous responses to the Neil Alexander scenario etc, I invited responses (twice)to the following. Only Bhoy Sean responded. The Goalie may be holy but does he really advance our status in the world ?

"In a match which has been acclaimed as the world's biggest derby game, where the rest of the world continues to pitch it as the Catholics versus the Protestants (look at any European football magazine), gimmicks such as that only serve to continue the myth that it is divided along such religious lines."

We are non-religious, we are Scottish. Is the irony this - by promoting these facts, we undermine the notion of the "Old Firm" and consequently lay the sectarianism of many of the Rankers fans bare ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

moonbeams wet dream COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:08 COMMENT-BODY:this one is for the lovely bunch of huns who attacked my bro, mates and me yesterday.

WE ARE THE PEEPUL

this one is for the the team and the supporters

WERE GONY MAKE IT HAPPEN

Anyway, thankyou Celtic. What a glorious sunny victory that was. If you could have a choice of 2 ways to beat Rankers if the victories were gauranteed the first option would be a last minute goal, stand up Celtic 2008, and the second option would be to win after being behind, stand up Celtic team 2008. I salute you one and all.

You were HEROS.

Cheers

3-in-a-row-oh-yes-I-know.

Best song from yesterday.

Your just a fat Eddie Murphy. Superb.

Oldtim67, they are hardly the most intelegent bunch on the planet. Where do you think they get all the tatties from they keep throwing at us. From between their ears of course :-)

Hopefully my linky thingies work as it wass my first attempt and apologies if they have not. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:11 COMMENT-BODY:NatKnow,

E D B calling me a rascal, I'll go with that, but calling me a Young Rascal, well that certainly is stretching the imagination.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:15 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

Did you get my mail last weekend about your "Foggy Dew" clip.

Wonderful rendition of a great song.

As is your clip tonight of "Let The People Sing"

What a wonderful atmosphere yesterday.

I was listening to the singing and had to ask the older rascal if they were actually playing that song over the tannoy.

What a great day we all had.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS.

Martin -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:19 COMMENT-BODY:Dear Martin42,

I wrote this at the end of the last thread:

just a note here to let you know I haven’t forgotten about your request for a copy of the Enrico Caruso single I’ve got. I just I knew that it was not going to be too easy to digitalise it or indeed copy it in any form since my record player needs a needle never mind a rubber-band to get it moving again at the proper speed. I’ve asked around but to no avail so far, but if I can’t get it done over here, I’ll bring it with me when I’m back in Glasgow and we’ll manage to get it sorted out. It’s not impossible just awkward. I was holding out to give you some positive news. Sorry, but I’ll let you know as soon as poss‘ if I manage it.

HHBhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:I sense it will be Motherwell that will play a more than significant role in the final outcome...... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42

P and K are the young rascals. I see you more as a Robert De Niro type.

But better looking.

diggingabigholeasItypecsc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

NatKnow COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42 -

It must be all that STANDING UP that keeps you young!

Keep Groovin' (For the Champions). -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:for martin42 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

celticlover COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:1. Have just finished watching the game again on C67 and there is one interesting moment when Darcheville is about to come on, he is offered the hand of the Rangers no 4 backroom boy and kisses, what appears to be, a ring. Can anyone enlighten me?

2. If you were allowed to transfer only one player from the first team squad to improve the team for next year, which player would you chose? My own choice without any hesitation would be Naylor. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:26 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye: I responded. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:28 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

Did you get the actual mail?

I sent three or four and got no replies, I was just wondering.

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheTokenTim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:28 COMMENT-BODY:Lhadies and Ghentlemen,

First chance as such to post since yesterday.

How good was that???? You cannot tire of beating those reprobates.
Being in Belgium as I am just now, I have missed a lot of the furore over THG and his tee-shirt.
Hardly surprising given the previous shenanigans over THG's overt display's of his religion.
Only in "the Best small country..." etc.

The atmosphere was fantastic yesterday, much more like it.

Martin,
both myself and my mate who sits with me commented upon the playing of the full song yesterday over the tannoy and as my mate put it:

"I hope they are blasting that full bung over in their end, they'll be going off like 2 bob bangers!"

Roll on Fir Park on Sat and 8 points clear. They will drop points at Hibs and they WILL bottle it.

Onwards to 3 in a Row!

BELIEVE!!!!

HAIL! HAIL!
Token -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:30 COMMENT-BODY:One star

at 21.32? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:31 COMMENT-BODY:Celticlover

I would go with Naylor also. It's a shame as I do quite like him though as he comes across like a down to earth guy. I do think he's generally a relatively solid enough player also but he has been the weakest link in the team. I'd prefer him to stay as back up for a superior player personally. His form in the first season was good and maybe with some added competition we might see that side of him again. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lubo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:32 COMMENT-BODY:celticlover,

1. This was discussed a bit yesterday. Some folk suggested that it was some sort of smelling salts?

2. Massimo. No need to buy a replacement. We have Mr 167%.

Lubo. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:32 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim67 said…

"I don't know if you saw,When they were doing their Nazi salute at the game Yesterday,
An Israeli flag was being waved in the same area of the ground,

For the life of me I can't work out why,The Nazi salute,and an Israeli flag should be in
the same area of the ground,they just don't go hand in hand"

OldTim, if they were, then that is because the presence of the Israeli flag was used as evidence that they were not Nazi salutes to get them off the hook when they did the same in Israel.

Slugger O'Toole rubbished this "red-hand" claim.

http://tinyurl.com/6c3erz -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:36 COMMENT-BODY:HHBhoy,

No problem at all, Enrico is always worth waiting for, hia talent never fades.

The TokenTim,

Wasn't it just great.

And I believe your predictions for Sunday will come true.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:36 COMMENT-BODY:Some might make a comparison between the right wing tendencies (!) of the Nazi regime and that of the Israeli state, 60 years old today. An excellent article on the contradictions of the latter by Johan Hari in the Indie today. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:It is well known that they started waving Israeli flags after a Palestinian flag was seen in our support. Not that they have a clue why they are waving it, though.

Another example of the anti-culture at work. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:Watching the game again - Broadfoot is one of the worst players in the league.

Give him and his captain longer contracts.

Faye, when did he escape? Gerrard must be on his case. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

moonbeams wet dream COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:WE UR RA PEEPUL ATTEMPT 2 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:38 COMMENT-BODY:celticlover

i asked the same question yesterday but no
answer apart from he was sniffing cocaine ‹(•¿•)› -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

possilbhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:This morning i bought two newspapers. One was The Times & the other was The Scottish Sun. The differenve in reporting the story of the game was night & day. The Sun had the crap about Artur on the front page,whereas The Times did not mention his t-shirt once as far as i can recall. Biased journalism.... nah, not in Scotland.

I also heard someone on the Real Radio phone in, i believe it was Keith Jackson, say something along the lines of Artur's t-shirt not appearing to upset the Rangers fans at the match. For his information, Strathclyde Police received numerous telephone calls from unhappy followers of the dark side, starting 20 minutes after the final whistle. The match commander deemed that there was nothing done by Artur that broke any laws & would leave it up to the football authorities to look in to it if they wished to do so.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:moonbeams

Good on ye. God loves a trier. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:46 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon J

They have every clue why they fly such flags. To accuse them of ignorance at every level almost invites them to be excused for their misdemeanours. Not so. There is a significant element versed in the ways of the extreme right and whose target of the moment are muslims. Israel is as right wing as you can get. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:55 COMMENT-BODY:These photies from Sunday are well worth looking at - not least because I think the 7th photo down (with the Ardrossan Garryowen banner) features one of our most celebrated CQNers in the bottom left corner. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:56 COMMENT-BODY:I spend my time on reading comments on Boruc T-shirt. Always good thing to know more about the other place. The more I read it the less I understand it. I think Boruc feels the same and wants to say what he needs to be said by him. Don’t get me wrong. It’s nothing against you. I believe there are many things in Poland, that could surprise you.

I don’t think JPII is wrong person to be loved. Didn’t read who was treated bad or hurt by him.
A note for peace:
John Paul II loved to play football when he was a child. In his early years he lived in Wadowice near Krakow. There were two nations living together: Polish majority and Jewish minority. Very often their played games Poles against Jews. Due to smaller Jewish population young Karol played for Jews against Poles.
His lovely club was Cracovia Krakow. Cracovia was founded in 1908 by three man. William Calder – The Englishman and Protestant, Josef Lustgarten – The Jew and by Waclaw Wojakowski the Pole and Catholic.

Now I have a question. When people loose their pets they ask for a help. Is something like that offensive, or not?

“Lost my dog. Last seen near Celtic Park bars. His name is Terror. He has blue nose and wearing blue collar. Tattoo on the neck. Not hand trained, doesn’t like humans.
He is much loved and missed by other dogs. Terror is desexed and Microchipped. When says "bad blue boy" he whistles a whole bunch of different tunes. Big reward offered for his return. Needs medication”.

About two weeks ago when I saw some posts saying: the league is finished I wanted to say IT'S THEM WHO WANT YOU TO THINK THE LEAGUE IS FINISHED.DON'T THINK THE WAY THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:02 COMMENT-BODY:Am I late?

Happy Birthday PABLOPHANQUE! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:02 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne

is that the fine figure of oldtim ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:03 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek

You are in great form today.

Your friend.

EDB -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:03 COMMENT-BODY:sorry I looked at the first one

a handsome Estadio -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:04 COMMENT-BODY:it's the Rolex that gives it away ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:05 COMMENT-BODY:WDH - I've had the pleasure of meeting oldtim & didn't spot him in the picture but I was pretty sure that the chap on the mobile phone was none other than Estadio - please don't tell me I've got it wrong! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:06 COMMENT-BODY:EDB
Cheers, my friend.
I'll be in bad meed when wake up in six hours :)

Dick Byrne, when do you come again to take a pictures of Izolator Boguchwala? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:07 COMMENT-BODY:WDH - I see we're singing from the same hymn-sheet now (am I allowed to say that?)

Zbyszek - I would be there tomorrow if I could. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:10 COMMENT-BODY: Nil By Mouth......

..... especially The Blessed Sacrament

6-2

Nite

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:13 COMMENT-BODY:EDB
You see? I must go.It's late for me. It should have been mood instead of meed in my prevoius post.

Dick Byrne.
Don't forget I'm waiting for meeting you. Here or there. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:14 COMMENT-BODY:dick byrne.

Your correct,thats the fine figure of Estadio.
I think WDH has been at the bottle again,estadio's much handsomer than me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:19 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim67

It's only a picture. Pictures are cheating. They have not to much to do with the reality.

I hope Estado will forgive me that. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:21 COMMENT-BODY:At 28/04/08 23:37, ElDiegoBhoy said…

Faye, when did he escape? Gerrard must be on his case.

Not only Gerrard, but apparently Lord Stephens too :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

~Kevtic COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:25 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

Yes the fixtures are paning out nicely.
Saturday at Motherwell means everything. Win and Hibs have everthing to play for. Their defeat at Aberdeen looks like being the result that could have tip the league in our favour because Hibs are in the last chance saloon. And Sunday is their cup final.
Defeat for Motherwell on Saturday would mean they would need to take something from their two meetings with Rangers. While United and Aberdeen still have a chance provided they take something from their matches with Rangers.

The key to it all is beat Motherwell! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pablophanque COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:28 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek only by two minutes my friend :o))) Thank you and thanks to WG if your post was directed at me (amongst another !)

canamalar, same day and same age .................SPOOKY !!!

pablophanque -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celticblog COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:29 COMMENT-BODY:ARTUR BORUC: The Rosa Parks for the 21st century.

Do you sit at the back of the bus and accept that the bigots are right . . .
Or do you provoke them by moving to the front of the bus?
I was in the Museum of Civil Rights in Memphis last year, and cringed at the film of white bullies battering the brave black youngsters who dared to sit in the "White Only" parts of a cafe.
No doubt the Memphis Daily Record and Tennessee Sun would have castigated the black youngsters for being "provocative".
But those brave kids asked a question:
Who are the bigots here?

Bold Artur comes from a country that lost millions of people in the last World War (ostensibly started to free them) then lived through four decades of oppression, only lifted for them due, in a major way, to the bravery of one remarkable man:
Karol Wojtyla
Pope John Paul II

If bigots want to tell Oor Artur that he has no right to be proud of one of the greatest Poles ever to have strode this planet (or even that their disdain for him extends to the most vile of insults), can anyone blame him for wishing to make a personal statement?
Or for asking:
Who are the bigots? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:34 COMMENT-BODY:one star more means.

The nazi salutes, and the Israeli flag, just looked odd together,but your link helped to explain things,I think your right it's a cover up -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheLeftWinger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:41 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne,

A young left winger can also been seen under the white panel.

Section 104 has finally made it big!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:42 COMMENT-BODY:pablophangue.

I tried your link thing to-night,no chance,I could do with an e-mail explaining it move by move,sometime in the future.

Don't tell me it was your birthday today,I could have baked you a cake.
have you passed 40, or are you just coming up to it.

anyway a belated happy birthday to you kind sir. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:42 COMMENT-BODY:In the single's market, John Wayne is Bill Leckie -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:43 COMMENT-BODY:Karol Wojtyla another troublesome priesthttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dRYdCHR7C1I

brendan bower if any one can link -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

~Kevtic COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:49 COMMENT-BODY:What I find amusing is the fall out from Jan's "tackle" and Celtic's "rough" play in our two home matches.

Well Walter may complain but his side started it at Ibrox on October 20th with the bully boy tactics. Our captain went to hospital that day in case anyone from the media has forgotten. They set the tone.

The Rangers fans also set the tone in the Artur feud. I don't agree with the four words displayed on his t-shirt. The image of a fellow goalie would have been suffice. The only reason being our team is made up of different races and cultures and we need them to be a united team heading in the same direction in the next few weeks.

We didn't start the fire! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:51 COMMENT-BODY:sorry brendan bowyer "boulavogue" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:53 COMMENT-BODY:lou

At your service, Mr Brendan Bower -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:01 COMMENT-BODY:bloke 109

That's brilliant, digging up that singles ad from Bill Leckie.

I hope he met a Celtic ghirl who slapped his face and made him say wow. :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:02 COMMENT-BODY:lets all stand behind Artur boruc
next game lets make a statement of intent and all wear the "Artur" t-shirt now that would be fun
headlines from the sun/ranker

59,000 fenian barstewards wear papish t-shirt in parkhead cauldron of catholic masses -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:04 COMMENT-BODY:bloke109

thanks once again,il get that link thing right if it kills me

lou -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:04 COMMENT-BODY:~Kevtic:

Dead on. Does Wattie need to be reminded that while Stephen McManus lay unconscious on the pithc having been headbutted by Daniel Cousin, Ally McCoist was laughing at the touchline giving DC the thumbs up?

What does Cousin do - nuts Darren O'Dea (I believe) with his next challenge.

For all McCoist knew, Mick could have been dead but it was all a laugh to the former Scotland assistant-coach. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:14 COMMENT-BODY:One Star

always believed that behind mcoists mr tv funny man lay something more sinister as rob mclean would say

even his pal raman is now calling him alistair on stv before the fiorentina game ,talking about sucking up that bagwar takes the biscuit

mcvities csc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

macjay COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:16 COMMENT-BODY:The frightening thing about Arturs gesture is that it puts him in the firing line.
I fear that could be literally.
Hope he has been advised of the sinister forces that are still waiting to bubble to the surface given a cause and an opportunity.

Overdramatic? Let`s hope so. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:27 COMMENT-BODY:LMBS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8MOglHRZ3rg

Look at the vid at 3:00 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:31 COMMENT-BODY:LOL: spot the deliberate mistake in the headline... or is it?

http://tinyurl.com/66gezk -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:37 COMMENT-BODY:One Star

got me there mate,have I blundered lol

lou -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

druiddude COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 02:09 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First @21.39

Thank you for your response to my cack handed attempt at humour ...sorry for the delayed response I`ve been yakking on the phone.

The reference to Pope Benedict was a particularly cheap shot...which I realised as I posted but I left stand anyway...I let my anger at a circumstance in my personal life cloud my judgement...post deleted..I apologise for any offence it may have caused. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Michael Collins COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 02:22 COMMENT-BODY:Evening to all Tims world wide from a happy Celt down under still basking in the glow of the result, and performance, and who has been unable to post since the match due to over indulgence in the bevvy before during and after the game.

Living over seas you are always removed from the irrational rantings of the Scottish media especially after an incident like Arturs t-shirt on Sunday and it came as no surprise to me that my brother at home informed me that the phone ins and redtops had gone into meltdown about it.

I was also informed that in seperate incidents post match two Celtic fans lost there lives at the weekend after the game .

So in short we have a media in Scotland quite prepared to savage a man who wears a t-shirt of a dearly loved religious leader in order to appease a rank and file Rangers support who are so entrenched in their own filth that they cannot see the irony of their fury while all the time that same support who the press are trying to appease are commtting violent crimes all over a game of football and their hatred of a particular race and religion.

My initial reaction is that I hope the football authoroties open a case against Artur, I also hope the police try and take action against him although the latter is extremely unlikely due to the embarrasment heaped upon the nation after the "blessing" incident.

I hope this doesnt come across as selfish given that Artur would endure such action taken against him but,given the fact that next year or the one after he will be plying his trade outside the parochial bigotted cesspit that is the West of Scotland, this will soon be all a distant memory.

For those left behind however and for those of us still connected to Scotland in some way shape or form it is very impotant in my opinion that this issue is dragged kicking and screaming into the public domain.

The more action is taken the more shame and embarrasment is heaped on the Scottish nation and there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can stick to Artur legally unless the Human Rights act has been abolished without someone telling me.

The world needs to know as it has been conclusively proved beyond doubt that, if Scotland is to change for the better , then that change will have to be driven from the outside for the cancer that is sectarian anti-catholic bigotry has spread too far thorugh the body to be treatable from the inside.

Scotland as a nation is treminally ill. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hail hail COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 03:12 COMMENT-BODY:xxxxxxxSome men fight for silver -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 03:50 COMMENT-BODY:Recognized the Content, Optimistic Smile of the Scribe immediately. Thanks for those colourful images of his natural state.

I find the 'debate' (what some may call 'deliberations') over Artur's T-Shirt an enigma. Consider viewing this incident from a local perspective, then pull back slowly to a European, then global perspective. ...
There you will find some Clarity and Truth.

Good on You Artur..... Investigative journalism at its best....Casting a light on a Dark Corner of West of Scotland culture.
The demagogues of the media were exposed for what they are....Purveyors of Bile.
Bigots were exposed for what they are...Small minded egocentrics.

And sadly some apologists exposed too...... Context Bhoys.....Context.

Finally....

I recently said I admired an intelligent and consistently objective journalist....

....Roll On Glenn Gibbons

And in honour of Martin42
I Want Everyone to Stand Up...
:0) like Barry Robson.....And it Will Happen -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 04:27 COMMENT-BODY:Michael Collins@ 02:22

I empathize with your position.

It seemed to me though that that is exactly what Artur faciltated.... He brought it into the Naked Light.... At least to those who look at it from the correct perspective.

Scotland as a nation is terminally ill you say.. I have to differ..... Permanently Shrill i would call it.
It Keeps the money going round... unfortunately ... some say. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

steelica COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:04 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

The permutations are intoxicating. My heart says Celtic my head tells me it is still Ran666ers to lose.

I believe Kevtic is on the button. This weekend is crucial. If we beat Murderwell on Saturday and they fail to win at Easter Road, then it is game on.

We must keep putting the presuure on them.
To all Celtic fans I go back to the mantra "You have to believe it to see it."

I believe! I believe! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

DeeCee COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:14 COMMENT-BODY:Aiden McGeady is on the front page of both hun daily tabloids this morning for being involved in a 'brawl' outside a Glasgow nightclub at 3am after the huns game.

He is not called a Thug in the DR article so I guess their balancing their coverage these days. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

andycolo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:47 COMMENT-BODY:One click on their site is enough. The story is that Aiden and Skippy were attacked outside Bamboo as they left. AMcG said he was more than willing to co-operate with the police as he was the aggrieved party.
The story ended with a reference to the Celtic supporter who died, apparently from a heart attack after being assaulted in Govan on the night after the match. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

DeeCee COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:57 COMMENT-BODY:Interesting how Scott McDonald scored two on Sunday and yet the huns targeted McGeady.

They must be really upset at the lack of wingers in the Scottish national team. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

neverbeten COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 08:22 COMMENT-BODY:I have only ever heard bad things said about the SPL "Split" that was introduced a few years back. Am I alone in thinking its worked out rather well this season with who has to play who , with every team practically playing for something? Hats off to the hierarchy at the SPL perhaps? Och, maybe no.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieBhoy315 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 08:52 COMMENT-BODY:Guys,

Short note to say that I was re-united with my wedding ring this morning. A big thank you to o1bhoy and particularly Madeira Bhoy who put me in touch with the guy on CelticMinded who's workmate found it.

My life-expectancy is now back to normal, and the spare room will go back to being the spare room... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:19 COMMENT-BODY:Eldiegobhoy @23.24,

Brilliant. Had the hairs on the back of my neck STANDING UP. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:39 COMMENT-BODY:Somebdy blogged that we should all get behind Artur with the T Shirts at the nest home game.

Total agreement!!

Same T Shirt with the caption

Top: God Bless the Pope

Middle: Picture of Karl

Underneath: Being a catholic is not a crime unless your the scottish media (Scotland Shame Part 2) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:42 COMMENT-BODY:Scotty and Boruc praying together at Celtic Park.

Little pray -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:54 COMMENT-BODY:Druiddude

Good mhan.

Have a great day. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:57 COMMENT-BODY:StevieBhoy315...

Ghood Nhews...Re; your Wedding Ring... I was just thinking about it...

Tell the wife a Ghuy in Oz and Spain found it...Small World indeed...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:58 COMMENT-BODY:Today Paatelainen said: "It was out of order, you cannot talk to referees and start arguing with them. Thierry had just been booked but he kept talking back, he asked for it.

"He was bang out of order and let his team-mates down, it's as simple as that.

"We are a man short and then Colin starts calling the referee names. It's beyond me how he can behave like that."

Paatelainen revealed he knows what Nish said to Dougal and although he refused to divulge what passed between them, he insisted it was said so quietly only the referee heard it.

The Hibs boss also claimed Dougal could well have chosen to brush it off or issue a yellow card but conceded the official was entitled to follow the letter of the law as he had done.

He said: "It does not matter what he said, the referee was offended and sent him off. I don't think anyone but the referee heard it. The referee took action as he is entitled to do." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:59 COMMENT-BODY:Wheres sean south? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:06 COMMENT-BODY:awe_naw....

sounds like one rule(britannia?) for "them", one rule for everybody else.

Or am I paranoid?

bazzabhoy, he can be elusive when things are going well.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:08 COMMENT-BODY:Georgiebhoy,

secret. Here is what Nish whispered to Dougal.

"when are you gonnae send me aff brother" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:14 COMMENT-BODY:Belated many happy returns to Pablophanque-here's wee Clare

..and Pan's People! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:15 COMMENT-BODY:For those who think 'Artur should keep that ''stuff'' for his private life' I think this from his website maybe shows it's not just an act...

http://www.arturboruc.com/galeria.php

Am sure, the Scottish Media must be very proud of the fact that all of Europe are once again asking that age old question...

'Just what exactly is offensive about a picture of the Pope?'

UEFA's verdict on Rangers a few years back was actually very clever and a shameful day in the history of the SFA. Effectively, it said 'this authority have allowed this to continue for 100 years' and 'we've no idea what to do with anti-papalness as we've never come across it before!'.

Scotland's shame - Rangers are at the forefront of it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:17 COMMENT-BODY:Oh, and can anyone suggest another country on the entire planet where Artur's t-shirt would cause so much frothing at the mouth?

I had to check the date today that it was really 2008.

Anyways, apparently the Devil has invented a machine that transcribes vinyl onto a PC.

Modern life is.. rubbish -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:17 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry for reposting this but I am an attention seeker

I hope our captain is ok and that his injury is not too bad. I am a big Darren O´ Dea fan and would like to see him given a run in the full team when fully fit but not in a title run in. With him and Big Bobo though it´s not such a big concern. Same with Caddis and Wilson

I also wonder with us having momentum with this line up if WGS is going to stick with it or use midfield players sparingly. I hope not. I think the players that have started these games need to see it through right to the end. If they are match fit then they should keep their places. Cementing first team places in a championship 3 in a row side is not a commodity to throw away lightly. We still need to improve massively on our defensive game through these next three games. No more spawny 1 shot on target let ins. Impose our whole game on them and keep it going anybody thats not psyched up for this run or does not realise what 3 in a row means after MON´s robberies doesn´t know their history and we can let them go.

C´mon the hoops -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

scottishleaf COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:20 COMMENT-BODY:BazzaBhoy

Conspicous by his abscence when Celtic win, not a suprise though! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:21 COMMENT-BODY:DIBBA...Re; PP...

Now They were The People...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:22 COMMENT-BODY:Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong
My own beliefs are in my song
The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then
Makes no difference what group I'm in
I am everyday people, yeah yeah
There is a blue one who can't accept the green one
For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one
And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh sha sha - we got to live together
I am no better and neither are you
We are the same whatever we do
You love me you hate me you know me and then
You can't figure out the bag l'm in
I am everyday people, yeah yeah
There is a long hair that doesn't like the short hair
For bein' such a rich one that will not help the poor one
And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh sha sha-we got to live together
There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one
That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one
And different strokes for different folks -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:22 COMMENT-BODY:Georgiebhoy - funny that eh?

Could it be that hes a ... nah.. surely not........hmmmm.

I also cant belive people want wee barry to be booked/treated the same as every other player in the league... hes the rangers captain don't you know. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:25 COMMENT-BODY:bazzabhoy -

Sean South is away having a drink wi Oliver North, Rose West and Sheena Easton.

AllpointstoG40CSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:29 COMMENT-BODY:WG- aye, they're not bothered aho they serve in the Teser these days!

I expect wee Sheena heard about the vouchers and didn't want to missout.

Would you say, yourself excluded, that SE is the most talented person to come from ML2? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:31 COMMENT-BODY:Bazzabhoy,

others (who are far wiser than me) have identified him as a working journalist. Perhaps he is on assignment....

G. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:WinninGemmell...

Sheena Still Lavs Scatlind Folks...

o1bhoy

ml4CSC... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt -

she's fae the cesspit that is ML4.

For ML2 choose from:

The Alexander Brothers
Neil Reid ('Mother of Mine')
NAFOS -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:36 COMMENT-BODY:Did Sean South not basically say that he only comes on here when we do get beat as he uses this as a place to vent his fury?

Effectively something like he shares his joy with others or something like that? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:37 COMMENT-BODY:In which case I go for NAFOS.

Neil Reid was on Opporchancity Knocks. He could have had a folow-up with Paula Yates -'Father of mine' -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:41 COMMENT-BODY:Is Alisdair Alexander one of the Alexander Brothers?

Does David Begg have small-man syndrome (that was a wee joke for all our Gaelic-speaking readers)? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:41 COMMENT-BODY:tmc,

poor show if he did - good and bad times together surely?

On a seperate note, do you know if the godfather got my reply to his email from a couple of weeks ago?

Tradimus Lampada

G. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:42 COMMENT-BODY:I was a little concerned by the contents of this piece, pert of which reads:

"Celtic stars Aiden McGeady and two-goal Scott McDonald were attacked by a group of Rangers fans in the early Hours of Sunday Morning. The pair were targeted by the Neds as they were leaving a Glasgow Nightclub at around 3:00AM."

I trust that this is an error in this article, or the report in which the original story was covered, and that the incident did in fact take place at 3.00am on Monday.

If our players are out clubbing at 3.00am prior to a 12.30pm potential title decider they should be sacked on the spot. They are supposed to be highly tuned athletes, and are paid offensive amounts of money to compensate for the constraints placed upon their lives in order to be just that... and clubbing until 3.00am, presumably downing copious quantities of alcohol, doesn't exactly work towards this end, whether it was the day before or after a game! Would we ever have seen the King of Khings in a nightclub at 3.00am during the season?... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:44 COMMENT-BODY:Coffee break.

First chance to post since the game, but have managed at least to skim-read most of the comments on here. There was a great atmosphere in the Tavern on Sunday afternoon, "lusty" (©
P67) support from all the Bhoys there, No.1 London CSC and many others. We met a couple from Stirling, down for the weekend, who had followed 2 Hoops-clad lhads all the way from Canary Wharf to see where they were going, in the hope that they'd end up in a Sellick bar.

It's wonderful how the atmosphere is recreated by all the posts during and after the game.

One piece that perhaps didn't get mentioned ... did anyone else get irritated by Setanta's unusually large number of cutaway reaction shots of Smith (btw, what's all this with calling him "Walter"?)? It's annoying enough in the ordinary course of events, when you just want to watch the game. But this was out of hand. Perhaps he's got a nephew a trainee cameraman? "Ah'll get ye oan the telly, Uncle Walter, when we beat Timmy". -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bambi COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:45 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoys,

I can vouch that Sean South is a Celtic supporter, he is also a tabloid Journo in the North East of England.

He won't be used to being questioned when his thoughts are put to print because he has his own column in the paper, I think that's why he resorts to insults when his opinion is questioned. Very much like Traynor on the radio, he doesn't like to hear other people's opinions because his is always right. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:46 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA,

is Sheena not ML4

If we´re talking ML for me it has to be Neil Reid

Mother of mine you gave to me,
all of my life to do as I please,
I owe everything I have to you,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

Mother of mine when I was young
you showed me the right way things had to be done,
without your arms where would I be,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

CHORUS
Mother you gave me happiness,
much more than words can say,
I thank the lord let me breath with you,
every night and every day.

Mother of mine now I am grown
and I can walk straight all on my own,
I'd like to give you what you gave to me,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

For
REPEAT CHORUS

Mother of mine now I am grown
and I can walk straight all on my own,
I'd like to give you what you gave to me,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

For those not in the know Neil got a black eye from his mum and the ability to walk straight all on your own is a big thing in that area.

I always felt that he could have been a superstar. He made a big mistake hooking up with the Coatbrig glue sniffers - tragic ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:51 COMMENT-BODY:Bambi,

I think that the point was being made in jest (at least I thought it was...)

However, by alienating so many people with constant jibs and insults any potentially good points made are going to be lost as people will, and do, scroll on by...

Perhaps if he wasn't so spikey...
I'm not familiar with his work, is that his style generally?

G -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:53 COMMENT-BODY:bambi...

When did Chico Youngster move to the North East of England...?

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

danny COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:54 COMMENT-BODY:daveinlondon

It wasn't the number of shots of Smith on Setanta that I found unusual. It was the swarm of flies that seemed to be permanently around him ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:57 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:58 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:05 COMMENT-BODY:Aw_Naw_etc., give it a rest, please! You are leaning on your keyboard... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

scottishleaf COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:22 COMMENT-BODY:who broke the blog? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:26 COMMENT-BODY:Scottishleaf, I think it was Awe_Naw, repeatedly sending the same message when he fell asleep and slumped onto his keyboard. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:36 COMMENT-BODY:What's happened?
Wisnae me mister. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:41 COMMENT-BODY:Danny @ 10.54;

that's unusual? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:42 COMMENT-BODY:BigChipsUK .... blame Neil Reid

Not Guilty I sent it once and pressed F5 once.

I´m also have to press F5 every time I deleted one of the phantom posts.

I think Paul67 might have a Neil Reid filter and quite right too. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:43 COMMENT-BODY:Awe_Naw... :o) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:44 COMMENT-BODY:Thismancraig:

Can we be sure Artur is "Celtic-minded"?;)

http://www.arturboruc.com/zdjecia/oarturze.jpg -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:49 COMMENT-BODY:CQN saboteur caught red handed -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:00 COMMENT-BODY:Did they no try to get Neil Reid and Lena Zavaroni as an item ?

BarryFitzgeraldCSC,Lisdoonvarna -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:10 COMMENT-BODY:Is Neil Reid any relation to our chairman ?

If so is is this why the wee piece of ganga was hushed up. To protect his image ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:14 COMMENT-BODY:Ronaldo, Messi and Aiden Mc Geady are standing before God at the throne of Heaven.

God looks at them and says; "Before granting you a place at my side, I must first ask you what you believe in."

Addressing Ronaldo first he asks, "What do you believe?"

Ronaldo looks God in the eye and states passionately, "I believe football to be the food of life. Nothing else brings such unbridled joy to so many people from the slums of Lisbon to the bright lights of Manchester. I have devoted my life to bring such joy to people who stood on the terraces supporting their club."

God looks up and offers Ronaldo the seat to his left.

He then turns to Lionel Messi, "And you, Lionel, what do you believe?"

Lionel stands tall and proud, "I believe courage, honour and passion are the fundamentals to life and I've spent my whole playing career providing a living embodiment of these traits."

God, moved by the passion of the speech offers Lionel the seat to his right.

Finally, he turns to Aiden Mc Geady , "And you, Aiden, what do you believe?"

"I believe", says Aiden, "that you're sitting in my seat." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:17 COMMENT-BODY:new article posted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:31 COMMENT-BODY:Apologies if you are looking for the new article, we appear to be in meltdown. *!*! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:35 COMMENT-BODY:Emdy fancy a gem a "hidenseek"...

o1bhoy -------- TITLE: Oh Rangers did you really think it’s over? AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/28/2008 03:49:00 PM ----- BODY: Rangers had not lost to Celtic after getting their noses in front in 15 years, so they must have felt they had done enough yesterday when they edged in front. Celtic Park was at its very best though, which I am sure helped drag the team off the ropes and on to victory. Perhaps one small aspect of getting the mood right was the return of some traditional supporters songs on the PA system. Getting the tone right with traditional music is more difficult than getting it wrong, so well done to whoever made the call yesterday. More please against that lot from Hibernia. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sannabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:50 COMMENT-BODY:excellent atmosphere yesterday. another one v Hibs and we're set up ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

itzallova COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:54 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart @ 15.02

It means if you dont support the fod, you are a non person. Basically its elitist mumbo jumbo for idiots. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheLeftWinger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:55 COMMENT-BODY:Let The People Sing indeed....... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:56 COMMENT-BODY:Only caught the end of the last article...so I'm reposting :-p...

****Paul, apologies in advance for the long post…everyone feel free to scroll on by but hopefully I can contribute something to the debate. Before I go off on a tirade, let me just say that yesterday in Paradise was magic and that I am not by nature as bitter as this post may make me seem :-). I am in fact, quite chuffed at our recent results, as I’m sure you can all imagine. Hail hail!****

And so the predictable media hoo-ha over big Artur’s papal t-shirt begins…

What an absolute disgrace the media in this insular little country is. I am sure that Artur’s primary motivation was to wind up the Rangers fans who have, let’s not forget, subjected him to sectarian abuse the kind of which – if spewed against any other ethnicity or religion – would be universally deemed unacceptable. Even by the media.

My only conclusion in this whole affair is that Artur has – I presume unwittingly – exposed many Rangers fans, the Scottish media in general and the union head as bigots.

Fraser Wishart, especially, should hang his head in shame. It is not within his remit to criticise the legal actions of players in his union. He has also completely failed to provide any public support for a player who has received vile sectarian abuse and had the indignity of a procurator fiscal warning dished out for the callous and offending act of blessing himself. He has furthermore failed to condemn such treatment of players. I remember him being particularly vocal when there were incidents of racial abuse at Fir Park. Rightly so. Did he even so much as utter a peep of condemnation during the seven years in which Neil Lennon endured racist and sectarian abuse on a regular basis?

Every time Artur does something remotely – for want of a better word – inflammatory, the same illogical adages are trotted out. He blessed himself – God forbid! Y’Gads, he even “sarcastically” applauded the Hibs fans…

“He could have caused I riot,” they say.

“It was a breach of the peace,” they say.

These are the exact same mantras that anyone who still reads a red top or listens to Radio Clyde and its clones will read and/or hear today.

They are, of course, nonsense. If an image of the Pope incites anyone to riot in 2008, frankly, it is that person who should be prosecuted for breach of the peace, arguably with a hate-crime motivation thrown in.

To be fair to Chic Young, he made that exact point yesterday on Radio Scotland.

All this cod-legal jargon from people who simply do not know what they are talking about is completely unhelpful as well. Notice that we do not hear any mention of Artur’s legally enshrined right to manifestation of his religious belief and freedom of expression – guaranteed under Articles 9 and 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights and legally enforceable in a Scottish court by virtue of the Scotland Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998.

I am very rarely moved to respond to any of the inane whitterings of tabloid journalists or radio pundits in Scotland but this is an important issue – one which holds a rather uncomplimentary light up to Scottish society.

The fact that people first consider that some eejit might be offended before they consider basic civil liberties is indicative of the backwardness of this country, or at least certain sections within this country.

Does anyone remember an article in the Evening Times in the aftermath of our away fixture against Hibs a few months back? Remember Artur’s “ironic” waving?

Matthew Lindsay's "article" in the Evening Times before the game in the Nou Camp about the waving incident at Easter Road is possibly the foremost example of appallingly lazy sensationalism I have had the dubious pleasure of reading this year. Couple it with the sensationalism we are all seeing fester over Artur’s “controversy” and a pattern emerges.

I am loathe to drag up the Lindsay article but it is, I feel, indicative of the current situation and very much typical of journalism in this country.

The media do not like Artur – he is a big, gallus, successful athlete who knows who he is and doesn’t care one jot what other people think of that. And he isn’t afraid of flaunting that fact.

Mr Lindsay suggested that Artur waving at fans in the Nou Camp in a similar fashion to what he did at Easter Road would cause a "full-scale riot" - a response it did not even illicit at Easter Road.

What a shamefully irresponsible thing to write! A spurious claim with no evidence which we now know to be false.

And here is where I see a connection: the exact same argument we are seeing in relation to t-shirt-gate…

Mr Lindsay remarked that Artur’s ironic waving "could easily have provoked an ugly, even violent, response". I would assume that most sentient beings would agree that anyone moved to violence at a football match due to someone waving at them is the one guilty of "indiscipline", not Artur Boruc. The same applies to someone moved to violence by a t-shirt depicting a religious leader.

Artur was then accused of "continued indiscipline", and it was remarked that "this is not the first time he had hit the headlines for the wrong reasons". This is absurd. What examples of such indiscipline are there? How many times has Artur Boruc been sent off for Celtic?

Never.

This is clearly a not-so-veiled reference to the media-created furore surrounding Artur Boruc's practice of blessing himself before matches since this was the only other controversial issue at the tine of Lindsay’s writing. Only in a country as morbidly obsessed with its own disfunction as Scotland could such an act be construed as in any way inflammatory. Blessing oneself is not a manifestation of indiscipline. It is a manifestation of Artur Boruc's religion; a manifestation guaranteed by Articles 9 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights. It is a shameful indictment of the insidious sectarianism in this country that the incident provoked any reaction at all. Equally shameful is Mr Lindsay's allusion to it.

And even more shameful is that they are all at it again!

Artur Boruc is a world-class player and a fantastic character - Scottish football would be a far duller place without him. He is certainly a wind-up merchant. But this does not mean that Artur Boruc did anything wrong. I would contend that Artur’s only inadvised action has been to leave himself open to such lurid tabloid spin. But I suspect he doesn’t give a toss what is written about him, and that is fair enough.

The fact that Artur Boruc produces such idiotic ramblings is the fault of what Mr Lindsay in his article called “the cretins who attach themselves to Scottish football" and no-one else.

Journalists (and player’s union bosses) should be less neglectful of the truth - and their responsibilities in a civil society.

And these responsibilities should surely be engaged by the vile famine chant sung by the vast majority of Rangers fans at Parkhead in the last two Old Firm games. Has there been any mention of this in the media?

I haven’t seen any.

The Rangers fans sing to me to “go home”.

I am home.

As Heaney so eloquently wrote in “Whatever You Say Say Nothing” –

"Yet I live here, I live here too, I sing,

Expertly civil-tongued with civil neighbours..."

Unfortunately, some of our neighbours aren’t so civil.

Again, in the case of Artur, we have seen a mere pantomime turned into a potential riot, whilst nary a peep is made of “the famine’s over chant”.

The famine and its effects killed up to one and a half million innocents and produced an unprecedented exodus of another million people. So far as I’m aware, wearing a t-shirt of the Pope hasn’t killed anyone yet.

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Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:56 COMMENT-BODY:the atmos and the support are so important to this team.

The away support sing their hearts out and back the team from start till finish.

The last two games against r*angers have reminded us what Celtic Park should sound like. Please do not return to silent expectation, sitting on hands and nervous shuffling because the team pick up on it and get nervous and the visitors pick up on it and feed on it.

Whole hearted vocal support till the end of the season (and beyond) ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

tully57 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:05 COMMENT-BODY:Spot - on Paul, hopefully we can bring The Fields back too.

Fair play as well to the Jungle Bhoys and volunteers for a tremendous banner display.

I would love the Aiden McGeady & Jimmy McGrory banners for the gable end of my house.

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AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:06 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67, Nae Bread et all,

The atmosphere yesterday was fantastic and yes I believe it did drag us back into it in that first half after we seemed to lose our way.

The Wednesday before I thought had a better atmosphere but this could have been down to the Football being played under the Floodlights.
Love that feeling. Maybe a reminder of the Euro Nights during winter.

I agree though, the last 3 matches have to be a right good sing song, home & away. WGS commented on it more this year than any other about how he feels it plays a big part.

The team needs us for this push
Hail Hail

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AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:07 COMMENT-BODY:Serpents,

I'm going top print your post out and have a read when stuck in traffic.

Mucker
Off the smokes at the worst time! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

peter COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:08 COMMENT-BODY:excellent article serpent's tongue. However can I suggest that you don't forget too quickly the sweetness of yesterday's result.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lennondinho18 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:09 COMMENT-BODY:if they do their gonna have to kill us all

for until u take gordon smith out of the top job

then we will sing about our battles at.........

cudnae think of the last bit!!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Jumanji COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:12 COMMENT-BODY:Let the people sing and the people shall.

Anyone with pics of the banners yesterday seen as my mrs had my ticket and i wasnt there. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:14 COMMENT-BODY:tully57, abmucker - cheers :)

peter - I've watched it thrice already. I'm not gonna forget just yet.

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Theragswerepublicansdisdain COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:16 COMMENT-BODY:Serpent's tounge,

That was an excellent post, made all the better by mentioning famous Seamus.

Therags...

Watching the pointing hands
Of country people,
Not knowing their tongue. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:22 COMMENT-BODY:itzallova,

I had guessed at the gist. I'd rather be a non-person than one of them.

My dad drove through yesterday, and parked somewhere inadvisable. We ended up more or less crossing (!) the away fans as they left the ground. We didn't open our mouths but the abuse we were subjected to was horrible. One guy threw a glass at me. The thing that really opened my eyes was the assumptions they make about the Celtic support. I'm neither Irish nor Catholic, but those were the things they chose to abuse me for. I sometimes think that the perceived bigotry and prejudice is a bit overdone, but yesterday I was sorry to see it alive and thriving in Glasgow. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:28 COMMENT-BODY:I loved Artur's t-shirt. However, his jousting with the Rankers fans and media has to be taken in exactly that spirit. Turn the tables - if Rankers had won/drawn yesterday and Neil Alexander ran across the pitch waving a union jack, would we all be here declaring his right to freedom of expression ? I don't think so somehow. Alternatively, if Alexander had revealed a "rule britannia" shirt ? In both these hypothetical situations, I would argue that the media would be correct to decry him. I suspect that many here would agree.

In short, leave the two-faced approach to them. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:33 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart,

I hate the "Peepul" chant but it also makes me laugh as they quite obviously aren't representative of any decent or civil section of anyones population.

In response to the Famine song.

We're paying your Dole
We're paying your Dole
We can't go home
Cause we're paying your Dole.

I know most of you lot out there are "Home" but it was just a thought. I'd like a good chant to put them back down into teh hold they belong
(Sorry Mineshafters :-))

Mucker
Not a Song Writer -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:37 COMMENT-BODY:Sellik First -

no more news on Paul and wasn't able to contact his dad. Bad stuff but typical of ML2 to be honest. I may pick up some more info tonight.

Happy Birthday to those celebrating. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:39 COMMENT-BODY:malceye

I agree with you about the spirit in which Artur's gesture should be taken...the thing is that it hasn't been taken in the spirit of a wind-up by the media and Rangers fans.

The default position was to call bloody murder and demand he be disciplined for somehow endangering people. The problem is theirs, not Artur's.

I have no doubt it was intended as a wind-up. And given what Artur has faced, I wholeheartedly salute him!

If Neil Alexander decided to do either of those things, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Most Celtic fans wouldn't be happy in the heat of the moment but that doesn't mean someone should face criminal sanctions (as many have advocated in the case of Artur).

And if Neil Alexander did do that, do you think the media would decry him?

That's the question.

I think they might but certainly not with the same gusto they have with Artur over the last few months. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:39 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye,

Spot on, I'd like to think we're better than that, and could heartily boo Alexander if he did that and agree that it was a decent wind-up. I fear that there's plenty morons in our support too who'd take it too far.

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Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:malceye

I honestly couldnt give a flip if Neil Alexander wore a god save the queen Tshirt (in fact it it was a seditioneries original I'd buy it from him)

Or if he ran about with a union jack.

Why the hell would I find any of those actions offensive?

Am I rabidly anti british? No, I am all for independance and I am also for a republic, but I do not find support for the union or for the monarchy at all offensive. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:malceye,

With regards to your hypothetical situation. Hasn´t Andy Goram and Billy Wright already disproven ?? spelling help needed DBBIA you ?

Expanding on your theory I dont think the laptop loyal would have had a problem with Alexander running around with A rule britannia T-shirt but if he had thwetemerity to display a lion rampant or a saltire then they would have come down hard on him. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

peter COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:Forgot to say hi to paul67 and all on CQN. First time poster long time lurker/shirker.

Serpent's Tongue - I look forward to reading your future posts. Keep up the good work.

Stuart -

I had the misfortune to catch the train home yesterday after leaving BB's. In High Street station a Rangers "fan", a man in his thirties, after urinating on the platform in plain view of other passengers (along with his girlfriend) verbally abused celebrating Celtic supporters on the opposite platform. When this failed to elicit any response he accussed us of paedophelia and informed us that we didn't wash. I swear the man actually BELIEVED what he was saying. Let me repeat it. I truly feel that he was firm in his belief and his convictions.
It absolutely beggars belief.

Make no mistake.
They are hurting.
They have always been hurting.
They will always be hurting.

Hail Hail. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:46 COMMENT-BODY:NAe Bread,

I know this is not going to make me popular but I have often argued that without the union Scotland would have become Bosnia before Bosnia did if you catch my drift. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:49 COMMENT-BODY: Sason 1978-79 Revisited

28 April

Premier League

Celtic 2 Dundee United 1

Emerald Greens:-

Latchford, McGrain, Edvaldsson, Aitken, Lynch, Conroy;
Burns, MacLeod, Provan, McCluskey, Doyle.

Tangerines:-

McAlpine, Stewart, Hegarty, Narey, Stark,Addison;
Fleming, Holt, Kirkwood (Payne), Sturrock (Kopel), Merrick.

Att-37,000

0-1 Merrick (43)

0-1 HT

1-1 Wee Johnny, God rest him (58)
2-1 Lynch (68 pen)

Celtic came from behind for the second successive match to win by the odd goal in three. Davie 'Wean-Frightener' Dodds opened the scoring for the aptly-nicknamed Terrors just before the interval. However Celtic hit back and took the points with two second-half goals, the second being a crucial penalty conversion. Hmmmmm.

PS Graham Payne - an unfulfilled talent if ever there was one.

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:49 COMMENT-BODY:nae bread,

It seems that we are offended by their offensive actions and gross bigotry.

They're offended that 'we' exist. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:50 COMMENT-BODY:Awenaw- disproven is fine:~) Or refuted.

I would pay good money to see Her Majesty in a 'God Bless Neil Alexander' t-shirt. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:51 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry Lhads,

But waving the Buthcer's Apron at the opposition (by a Player) or a Nice T-Shirt (Ahem) with Rule - Britannia on it cannot and should not be compared with having a religous figure on a T-Shirt!!!

I'm not going to get on my high horse about the waving of that flag or the wearing of that T-Shirt but they aren't the same.

Boruc retaliated to the bigots in a simple way. He's has been abused since he dared Bless himself at their midden. (Someone posted a link of a video made by one of these muppets who actually mentions on it "that's it, I've got you on video now ya.....". Evidence indeed.

Don't make excuses for muppets by saying some of ours would do the same. We have had low points as a support but never at their level as long as I have attended games.

We're not the same!
God forbid

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:51 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA,

just a T-shirt ?

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Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:53 COMMENT-BODY:Serpent's tongue - great post and sadly, relentlessly, true.

Their goalie (one in particular) acted with impunity, both on and off the field. McGregor himself is trying to build a certain hero mystique about himself...

And yet Artur Bowritz (If the press and commentators are to be believed) is vilified. Because there's a bigger undertow at work here. He is the pinnacle, the fullest representation of the new immigrant flow the 'peepul' have to rail against. He is the bogeyman for their deluded fears re them people, them catholic people, coming over here and stealing our jobs.

He is big and powerful and successful and does not like them and is not afraid to show it and reminds them that we live in a time where their ideas of tolerance are not the measuring stick or the guidelines by which people should behave.

The nation's - and I strongly italic nation - response to him has been nothing short of unforgivable and dark and twisted.

He holds up the crack'd looking glass and they hate what they see yet are too rooted in their hatred to change and find the easiest route from introspection is vocal and optical asault.

Abba Adonai

UMC3GL -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:56 COMMENT-BODY:Awe Naw

I know where you are coming from. I am aware of the lord advocates dragging scotland out of a taleban type state that would have existed had knoxes followers got all their own way. And also of how the english parliament curtailed the circa 1900 church of scotland (now penitent) biggoted behaviour by introducing the schools act.

I do belive in Salmond that we have a guy who does not give a damn about protecting 'tradition' and wants the country to move forward in a way McConnel would shy away from. Only time will tell. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR: