TITLE: Scotland vulnerable to racial intolerance gestated in football AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/29/2008 12:17:00 PM ----- BODY: Aiden McGeady is the victim of more racial crime than any other individual in Scotland. He is regularly the subject of assault and racial abuse and at 22-years-old, cannot walk the streets of Glasgow alone. I have sympathy for the police, who are seldom aware or involved in Aiden’s problems, I have sympathy too for the football authorities, who are charged with the responsibility of protecting young players from hoards of profane Neanderthals, but at a time of significant immigration, Scotland cannot be allowed to turn into a ghetto of racial hate. I have been reluctant to write about the truly awful, “go back home” chants heard from the visiting support at Celtic Park on Sunday, as I am a Scot, and feel the image of my country has been violated by such racial intolerance, but the slide must be stopped. Football has been hijacked as a breeding ground for racial intolerance all over the world and difficult though it is to combat, Fifa and Uefa have found ways. Whether it is a Polish goalkeeper celebrating a Polish Pope (and goalkeeper) or a Scottish born winger playing for Ireland, which he is entitled to do, Scotland’s institutions; the police, football authorities, education authorities, the media, even you and I, must continue to repeat the mantra; One Scotland, many cultures, until its resonance penetrates the thickest of skulls. Aiden in particular needs all our support; he is not here to become a poster boy for protest, he just wants to play for Celtic and enjoy a normal life. -------- TITLE: Aberdeen - Dundee United game could determine final day motivation AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/28/2008 10:27:00 PM ----- BODY: One of the reasons points look so difficult to collect right now is that two of the top six are chasing the league title and another three are chasing the Uefa Cup spot, but Aberdeen have an interesting couple of weeks ahead. They play Dundee United at home next, followed by a visit to Motherwell. With Motherwell, Hibs and Dundee United all playing Celtic and Rangers over this period, Aberdeen will hope that two wins will bridge the gap and set them up for a final day showdown against Rangers. Of course, if they beat Dundee United on Saturday, only a point for United at Ibrox is likely to see them still in the hunt for a Uefa place when they play Celtic on the last day. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:First post? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:Podium? Night night -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:Well that is a turn u for the books -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:32 COMMENT-BODY:a wee tune -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:35 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

It would be interesting to know the statistics for the last 6 games of a season - how often have the champions managed to get 15 points out of 18?

A bit of late night homework for someone!

VertWolf -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:35 COMMENT-BODY:sir j stein,
dont kid yourself, if it hadnt been THG then it would have probably been lennon brazenly celebrating the celtic victory with ginger hair, or some other such muck, I'm actuall begining to believe it was a GIRUY to the press
and they swallowed it hook line and sinker, such anti-catholic headlines in airports around the world will continue to inform the world how this bigoted little backwater deals with such religous abuse, to any semi-intellegent literal person the attack on THG shows intolerance. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:37 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67.

I don't know if you saw,When they were doing their Nazi salute at the game Yesterday,
An Israeli flag was being waved in the same area of the ground,

For the life of me I can't work out why,The Nazi salute,and an Israeli flag should be in
the same area of the ground,they just don't go hand in hand -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:39 COMMENT-BODY:could'nt resist it....

lets all laugh at Rangers -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:The support at our remaining away games will belt it out big time but we need another huge response from the supporters, similar to yesterday, in the final home game versus Hibs.

STAND UP FOR THE 3 IN A ROW CHAMPIONEES. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

emusanorphan COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim

I am sure the Palestinian people would see no contradiction with the flag and salutes. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:41 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

What did I tell you yesterday?

Was I correct or not?

Great to see you and

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:45 COMMENT-BODY:Presumably things will quieten down a bit in the build-up to the game in Florence.

I just hope the Florentines are locking up their statues. I mean, using Francesc Macià as a urinal was one thing, but Michelangelo's David suffering the same fate would be too much to take. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:48 COMMENT-BODY:VertWolf, good point.

Oldtim67, I paid no attention to anything they did. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:49 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42

Can we fit soothsayer into your title somewhere?

Great to meet your goodself and the two rascals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha Ha.

Wis there no a band called the 3 rascals? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:49 COMMENT-BODY:just remembered the bbc highlights, just puts that grin back on my face:oD -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:50 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:52 COMMENT-BODY:So what's the difference?
The huns have short memories.
CLICK HERE -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:53 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

GreenDog COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:53 COMMENT-BODY:Smelltheglove @ 19:32

Apologies if someone has already replied to your question. My vision was going a bit blurred while quickly scanning through this evenings posts; and eventually gave up trying when reading became a losing battle (a bit like Rangers).

I believe tramp Novo’s tattoo is five stars. The comical reference to every ten championships won. I understand he took great delight at highlighting this to the hordes who he has endeared himself to during his lap of defeat on Sunday.

I sincerely hope we are justifiably and rightly joyous when we win our 50th championship (hopefully in 2016? eleven-in-a-row! Sore feet!). But I would cringe at the thought of an embarrassing show of nothingness if we were to similarly display such multiple stars. Which I trust we wouldn’t.

Quality over quantity every time.

Even when we win the big cup again – one star. It does indeed mean more. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

NatKnow COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:56 COMMENT-BODY:EDB - Are you thinking of The Young Rascals who had a hit with "Groovin' (On A Sunday Afternoon)"......
..... which is exactly what we were doing yesterday! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

caymanbhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:00 COMMENT-BODY:email sent to UUP deputy leader.
Dear Sir

I am originally from Glasgow and in light of the reporting of the recent ‘old firm “game and your subsequent comments in the “Belfast News Letter” I have been trying unsuccessfully to explain your remarks to normal level headed people who although they are Christians have not been exposed to bigotry or sectarianism.

Why is it that wearing a t-shirt of a dead religious leader prompts you to say?

“This act needs to be explored and should not be overlooked.”

Is it because it was an image of the pope or would any other dead religious leader cause this comment?

"Celtic have a responsibility to ensure that no action by players should exacerbate the conflicting situation.

What conflicting situation?

"The player should be ashamed of himself and the manager should reflect on his inability to condemn it and to deal with it properly."

Ashamed of what exactly?

Shouldn’t free expression and religious expression be protected by elected representatives, would you care to comment on what your reaction would have been if the image was changed to The Dali lama? What about Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela or Martin Luther King?

I put it to you sir that you are a bigot who represents bigots; please lead your constituents into the all inclusive society enjoyed by most in the free world, the dividends will be enormous.

I welcome your comments. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:00 COMMENT-BODY:NatKnow

I wasn't but that was a great favourite of mine.

Thanks for the memory. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:01 COMMENT-BODY:One Star Means More

Yes I do indeed, but since I don’t have too many records I think it would be rather extravagant to buy one, especially when I want to get a decent thingymagig to convert all my negs into digital. This modern world is a nuisance, I’m being forced wi’ my arm twisted up ma back to convert to digitalism.
I would rather wear a Pope T-shirt, and stay a catholic :-)

HHB -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:03 COMMENT-BODY:My apologies for continuing this one. Having noted the numerous responses to the Neil Alexander scenario etc, I invited responses (twice)to the following. Only Bhoy Sean responded. The Goalie may be holy but does he really advance our status in the world ?

"In a match which has been acclaimed as the world's biggest derby game, where the rest of the world continues to pitch it as the Catholics versus the Protestants (look at any European football magazine), gimmicks such as that only serve to continue the myth that it is divided along such religious lines."

We are non-religious, we are Scottish. Is the irony this - by promoting these facts, we undermine the notion of the "Old Firm" and consequently lay the sectarianism of many of the Rankers fans bare ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

moonbeams wet dream COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:08 COMMENT-BODY:this one is for the lovely bunch of huns who attacked my bro, mates and me yesterday.

WE ARE THE PEEPUL

this one is for the the team and the supporters

WERE GONY MAKE IT HAPPEN

Anyway, thankyou Celtic. What a glorious sunny victory that was. If you could have a choice of 2 ways to beat Rankers if the victories were gauranteed the first option would be a last minute goal, stand up Celtic 2008, and the second option would be to win after being behind, stand up Celtic team 2008. I salute you one and all.

You were HEROS.

Cheers

3-in-a-row-oh-yes-I-know.

Best song from yesterday.

Your just a fat Eddie Murphy. Superb.

Oldtim67, they are hardly the most intelegent bunch on the planet. Where do you think they get all the tatties from they keep throwing at us. From between their ears of course :-)

Hopefully my linky thingies work as it wass my first attempt and apologies if they have not. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:11 COMMENT-BODY:NatKnow,

E D B calling me a rascal, I'll go with that, but calling me a Young Rascal, well that certainly is stretching the imagination.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:15 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

Did you get my mail last weekend about your "Foggy Dew" clip.

Wonderful rendition of a great song.

As is your clip tonight of "Let The People Sing"

What a wonderful atmosphere yesterday.

I was listening to the singing and had to ask the older rascal if they were actually playing that song over the tannoy.

What a great day we all had.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS.

Martin -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:19 COMMENT-BODY:Dear Martin42,

I wrote this at the end of the last thread:

just a note here to let you know I haven’t forgotten about your request for a copy of the Enrico Caruso single I’ve got. I just I knew that it was not going to be too easy to digitalise it or indeed copy it in any form since my record player needs a needle never mind a rubber-band to get it moving again at the proper speed. I’ve asked around but to no avail so far, but if I can’t get it done over here, I’ll bring it with me when I’m back in Glasgow and we’ll manage to get it sorted out. It’s not impossible just awkward. I was holding out to give you some positive news. Sorry, but I’ll let you know as soon as poss‘ if I manage it.

HHBhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:I sense it will be Motherwell that will play a more than significant role in the final outcome...... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42

P and K are the young rascals. I see you more as a Robert De Niro type.

But better looking.

diggingabigholeasItypecsc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

NatKnow COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42 -

It must be all that STANDING UP that keeps you young!

Keep Groovin' (For the Champions). -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:for martin42 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

celticlover COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:1. Have just finished watching the game again on C67 and there is one interesting moment when Darcheville is about to come on, he is offered the hand of the Rangers no 4 backroom boy and kisses, what appears to be, a ring. Can anyone enlighten me?

2. If you were allowed to transfer only one player from the first team squad to improve the team for next year, which player would you chose? My own choice without any hesitation would be Naylor. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:26 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye: I responded. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:28 COMMENT-BODY:E D B,

Did you get the actual mail?

I sent three or four and got no replies, I was just wondering.

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheTokenTim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:28 COMMENT-BODY:Lhadies and Ghentlemen,

First chance as such to post since yesterday.

How good was that???? You cannot tire of beating those reprobates.
Being in Belgium as I am just now, I have missed a lot of the furore over THG and his tee-shirt.
Hardly surprising given the previous shenanigans over THG's overt display's of his religion.
Only in "the Best small country..." etc.

The atmosphere was fantastic yesterday, much more like it.

Martin,
both myself and my mate who sits with me commented upon the playing of the full song yesterday over the tannoy and as my mate put it:

"I hope they are blasting that full bung over in their end, they'll be going off like 2 bob bangers!"

Roll on Fir Park on Sat and 8 points clear. They will drop points at Hibs and they WILL bottle it.

Onwards to 3 in a Row!

BELIEVE!!!!

HAIL! HAIL!
Token -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:30 COMMENT-BODY:One star

at 21.32? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:31 COMMENT-BODY:Celticlover

I would go with Naylor also. It's a shame as I do quite like him though as he comes across like a down to earth guy. I do think he's generally a relatively solid enough player also but he has been the weakest link in the team. I'd prefer him to stay as back up for a superior player personally. His form in the first season was good and maybe with some added competition we might see that side of him again. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lubo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:32 COMMENT-BODY:celticlover,

1. This was discussed a bit yesterday. Some folk suggested that it was some sort of smelling salts?

2. Massimo. No need to buy a replacement. We have Mr 167%.

Lubo. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:32 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim67 said…

"I don't know if you saw,When they were doing their Nazi salute at the game Yesterday,
An Israeli flag was being waved in the same area of the ground,

For the life of me I can't work out why,The Nazi salute,and an Israeli flag should be in
the same area of the ground,they just don't go hand in hand"

OldTim, if they were, then that is because the presence of the Israeli flag was used as evidence that they were not Nazi salutes to get them off the hook when they did the same in Israel.

Slugger O'Toole rubbished this "red-hand" claim.

http://tinyurl.com/6c3erz -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:36 COMMENT-BODY:HHBhoy,

No problem at all, Enrico is always worth waiting for, hia talent never fades.

The TokenTim,

Wasn't it just great.

And I believe your predictions for Sunday will come true.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:36 COMMENT-BODY:Some might make a comparison between the right wing tendencies (!) of the Nazi regime and that of the Israeli state, 60 years old today. An excellent article on the contradictions of the latter by Johan Hari in the Indie today. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:It is well known that they started waving Israeli flags after a Palestinian flag was seen in our support. Not that they have a clue why they are waving it, though.

Another example of the anti-culture at work. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:Watching the game again - Broadfoot is one of the worst players in the league.

Give him and his captain longer contracts.

Faye, when did he escape? Gerrard must be on his case. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

moonbeams wet dream COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:WE UR RA PEEPUL ATTEMPT 2 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:38 COMMENT-BODY:celticlover

i asked the same question yesterday but no
answer apart from he was sniffing cocaine ‹(•¿•)› -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

possilbhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:This morning i bought two newspapers. One was The Times & the other was The Scottish Sun. The differenve in reporting the story of the game was night & day. The Sun had the crap about Artur on the front page,whereas The Times did not mention his t-shirt once as far as i can recall. Biased journalism.... nah, not in Scotland.

I also heard someone on the Real Radio phone in, i believe it was Keith Jackson, say something along the lines of Artur's t-shirt not appearing to upset the Rangers fans at the match. For his information, Strathclyde Police received numerous telephone calls from unhappy followers of the dark side, starting 20 minutes after the final whistle. The match commander deemed that there was nothing done by Artur that broke any laws & would leave it up to the football authorities to look in to it if they wished to do so.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:moonbeams

Good on ye. God loves a trier. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:46 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon J

They have every clue why they fly such flags. To accuse them of ignorance at every level almost invites them to be excused for their misdemeanours. Not so. There is a significant element versed in the ways of the extreme right and whose target of the moment are muslims. Israel is as right wing as you can get. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:55 COMMENT-BODY:These photies from Sunday are well worth looking at - not least because I think the 7th photo down (with the Ardrossan Garryowen banner) features one of our most celebrated CQNers in the bottom left corner. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 23:56 COMMENT-BODY:I spend my time on reading comments on Boruc T-shirt. Always good thing to know more about the other place. The more I read it the less I understand it. I think Boruc feels the same and wants to say what he needs to be said by him. Don’t get me wrong. It’s nothing against you. I believe there are many things in Poland, that could surprise you.

I don’t think JPII is wrong person to be loved. Didn’t read who was treated bad or hurt by him.
A note for peace:
John Paul II loved to play football when he was a child. In his early years he lived in Wadowice near Krakow. There were two nations living together: Polish majority and Jewish minority. Very often their played games Poles against Jews. Due to smaller Jewish population young Karol played for Jews against Poles.
His lovely club was Cracovia Krakow. Cracovia was founded in 1908 by three man. William Calder – The Englishman and Protestant, Josef Lustgarten – The Jew and by Waclaw Wojakowski the Pole and Catholic.

Now I have a question. When people loose their pets they ask for a help. Is something like that offensive, or not?

“Lost my dog. Last seen near Celtic Park bars. His name is Terror. He has blue nose and wearing blue collar. Tattoo on the neck. Not hand trained, doesn’t like humans.
He is much loved and missed by other dogs. Terror is desexed and Microchipped. When says "bad blue boy" he whistles a whole bunch of different tunes. Big reward offered for his return. Needs medication”.

About two weeks ago when I saw some posts saying: the league is finished I wanted to say IT'S THEM WHO WANT YOU TO THINK THE LEAGUE IS FINISHED.DON'T THINK THE WAY THEY WANT YOU TO THINK. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:02 COMMENT-BODY:Am I late?

Happy Birthday PABLOPHANQUE! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:02 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne

is that the fine figure of oldtim ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ElDiegoBhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:03 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek

You are in great form today.

Your friend.

EDB -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:03 COMMENT-BODY:sorry I looked at the first one

a handsome Estadio -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:04 COMMENT-BODY:it's the Rolex that gives it away ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:05 COMMENT-BODY:WDH - I've had the pleasure of meeting oldtim & didn't spot him in the picture but I was pretty sure that the chap on the mobile phone was none other than Estadio - please don't tell me I've got it wrong! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:06 COMMENT-BODY:EDB
Cheers, my friend.
I'll be in bad meed when wake up in six hours :)

Dick Byrne, when do you come again to take a pictures of Izolator Boguchwala? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:07 COMMENT-BODY:WDH - I see we're singing from the same hymn-sheet now (am I allowed to say that?)

Zbyszek - I would be there tomorrow if I could. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:10 COMMENT-BODY: Nil By Mouth......

..... especially The Blessed Sacrament

6-2

Nite

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:13 COMMENT-BODY:EDB
You see? I must go.It's late for me. It should have been mood instead of meed in my prevoius post.

Dick Byrne.
Don't forget I'm waiting for meeting you. Here or there. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:14 COMMENT-BODY:dick byrne.

Your correct,thats the fine figure of Estadio.
I think WDH has been at the bottle again,estadio's much handsomer than me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:19 COMMENT-BODY:oldtim67

It's only a picture. Pictures are cheating. They have not to much to do with the reality.

I hope Estado will forgive me that. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:21 COMMENT-BODY:At 28/04/08 23:37, ElDiegoBhoy said…

Faye, when did he escape? Gerrard must be on his case.

Not only Gerrard, but apparently Lord Stephens too :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

~Kevtic COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:25 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

Yes the fixtures are paning out nicely.
Saturday at Motherwell means everything. Win and Hibs have everthing to play for. Their defeat at Aberdeen looks like being the result that could have tip the league in our favour because Hibs are in the last chance saloon. And Sunday is their cup final.
Defeat for Motherwell on Saturday would mean they would need to take something from their two meetings with Rangers. While United and Aberdeen still have a chance provided they take something from their matches with Rangers.

The key to it all is beat Motherwell! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pablophanque COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:28 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek only by two minutes my friend :o))) Thank you and thanks to WG if your post was directed at me (amongst another !)

canamalar, same day and same age .................SPOOKY !!!

pablophanque -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celticblog COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:29 COMMENT-BODY:ARTUR BORUC: The Rosa Parks for the 21st century.

Do you sit at the back of the bus and accept that the bigots are right . . .
Or do you provoke them by moving to the front of the bus?
I was in the Museum of Civil Rights in Memphis last year, and cringed at the film of white bullies battering the brave black youngsters who dared to sit in the "White Only" parts of a cafe.
No doubt the Memphis Daily Record and Tennessee Sun would have castigated the black youngsters for being "provocative".
But those brave kids asked a question:
Who are the bigots here?

Bold Artur comes from a country that lost millions of people in the last World War (ostensibly started to free them) then lived through four decades of oppression, only lifted for them due, in a major way, to the bravery of one remarkable man:
Karol Wojtyla
Pope John Paul II

If bigots want to tell Oor Artur that he has no right to be proud of one of the greatest Poles ever to have strode this planet (or even that their disdain for him extends to the most vile of insults), can anyone blame him for wishing to make a personal statement?
Or for asking:
Who are the bigots? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:34 COMMENT-BODY:one star more means.

The nazi salutes, and the Israeli flag, just looked odd together,but your link helped to explain things,I think your right it's a cover up -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheLeftWinger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:41 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne,

A young left winger can also been seen under the white panel.

Section 104 has finally made it big!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

oldtim67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:42 COMMENT-BODY:pablophangue.

I tried your link thing to-night,no chance,I could do with an e-mail explaining it move by move,sometime in the future.

Don't tell me it was your birthday today,I could have baked you a cake.
have you passed 40, or are you just coming up to it.

anyway a belated happy birthday to you kind sir. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:42 COMMENT-BODY:In the single's market, John Wayne is Bill Leckie -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:43 COMMENT-BODY:Karol Wojtyla another troublesome priesthttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dRYdCHR7C1I

brendan bower if any one can link -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

~Kevtic COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:49 COMMENT-BODY:What I find amusing is the fall out from Jan's "tackle" and Celtic's "rough" play in our two home matches.

Well Walter may complain but his side started it at Ibrox on October 20th with the bully boy tactics. Our captain went to hospital that day in case anyone from the media has forgotten. They set the tone.

The Rangers fans also set the tone in the Artur feud. I don't agree with the four words displayed on his t-shirt. The image of a fellow goalie would have been suffice. The only reason being our team is made up of different races and cultures and we need them to be a united team heading in the same direction in the next few weeks.

We didn't start the fire! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:51 COMMENT-BODY:sorry brendan bowyer "boulavogue" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 00:53 COMMENT-BODY:lou

At your service, Mr Brendan Bower -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:01 COMMENT-BODY:bloke 109

That's brilliant, digging up that singles ad from Bill Leckie.

I hope he met a Celtic ghirl who slapped his face and made him say wow. :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:02 COMMENT-BODY:lets all stand behind Artur boruc
next game lets make a statement of intent and all wear the "Artur" t-shirt now that would be fun
headlines from the sun/ranker

59,000 fenian barstewards wear papish t-shirt in parkhead cauldron of catholic masses -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:04 COMMENT-BODY:bloke109

thanks once again,il get that link thing right if it kills me

lou -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:04 COMMENT-BODY:~Kevtic:

Dead on. Does Wattie need to be reminded that while Stephen McManus lay unconscious on the pithc having been headbutted by Daniel Cousin, Ally McCoist was laughing at the touchline giving DC the thumbs up?

What does Cousin do - nuts Darren O'Dea (I believe) with his next challenge.

For all McCoist knew, Mick could have been dead but it was all a laugh to the former Scotland assistant-coach. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:14 COMMENT-BODY:One Star

always believed that behind mcoists mr tv funny man lay something more sinister as rob mclean would say

even his pal raman is now calling him alistair on stv before the fiorentina game ,talking about sucking up that bagwar takes the biscuit

mcvities csc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

macjay COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:16 COMMENT-BODY:The frightening thing about Arturs gesture is that it puts him in the firing line.
I fear that could be literally.
Hope he has been advised of the sinister forces that are still waiting to bubble to the surface given a cause and an opportunity.

Overdramatic? Let`s hope so. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:27 COMMENT-BODY:LMBS:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8MOglHRZ3rg

Look at the vid at 3:00 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:31 COMMENT-BODY:LOL: spot the deliberate mistake in the headline... or is it?

http://tinyurl.com/66gezk -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 01:37 COMMENT-BODY:One Star

got me there mate,have I blundered lol

lou -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

druiddude COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 02:09 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First @21.39

Thank you for your response to my cack handed attempt at humour ...sorry for the delayed response I`ve been yakking on the phone.

The reference to Pope Benedict was a particularly cheap shot...which I realised as I posted but I left stand anyway...I let my anger at a circumstance in my personal life cloud my judgement...post deleted..I apologise for any offence it may have caused. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Michael Collins COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 02:22 COMMENT-BODY:Evening to all Tims world wide from a happy Celt down under still basking in the glow of the result, and performance, and who has been unable to post since the match due to over indulgence in the bevvy before during and after the game.

Living over seas you are always removed from the irrational rantings of the Scottish media especially after an incident like Arturs t-shirt on Sunday and it came as no surprise to me that my brother at home informed me that the phone ins and redtops had gone into meltdown about it.

I was also informed that in seperate incidents post match two Celtic fans lost there lives at the weekend after the game .

So in short we have a media in Scotland quite prepared to savage a man who wears a t-shirt of a dearly loved religious leader in order to appease a rank and file Rangers support who are so entrenched in their own filth that they cannot see the irony of their fury while all the time that same support who the press are trying to appease are commtting violent crimes all over a game of football and their hatred of a particular race and religion.

My initial reaction is that I hope the football authoroties open a case against Artur, I also hope the police try and take action against him although the latter is extremely unlikely due to the embarrasment heaped upon the nation after the "blessing" incident.

I hope this doesnt come across as selfish given that Artur would endure such action taken against him but,given the fact that next year or the one after he will be plying his trade outside the parochial bigotted cesspit that is the West of Scotland, this will soon be all a distant memory.

For those left behind however and for those of us still connected to Scotland in some way shape or form it is very impotant in my opinion that this issue is dragged kicking and screaming into the public domain.

The more action is taken the more shame and embarrasment is heaped on the Scottish nation and there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can stick to Artur legally unless the Human Rights act has been abolished without someone telling me.

The world needs to know as it has been conclusively proved beyond doubt that, if Scotland is to change for the better , then that change will have to be driven from the outside for the cancer that is sectarian anti-catholic bigotry has spread too far thorugh the body to be treatable from the inside.

Scotland as a nation is treminally ill. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hail hail COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 03:12 COMMENT-BODY:xxxxxxxSome men fight for silver -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 03:50 COMMENT-BODY:Recognized the Content, Optimistic Smile of the Scribe immediately. Thanks for those colourful images of his natural state.

I find the 'debate' (what some may call 'deliberations') over Artur's T-Shirt an enigma. Consider viewing this incident from a local perspective, then pull back slowly to a European, then global perspective. ...
There you will find some Clarity and Truth.

Good on You Artur..... Investigative journalism at its best....Casting a light on a Dark Corner of West of Scotland culture.
The demagogues of the media were exposed for what they are....Purveyors of Bile.
Bigots were exposed for what they are...Small minded egocentrics.

And sadly some apologists exposed too...... Context Bhoys.....Context.

Finally....

I recently said I admired an intelligent and consistently objective journalist....

....Roll On Glenn Gibbons

And in honour of Martin42
I Want Everyone to Stand Up...
:0) like Barry Robson.....And it Will Happen -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 04:27 COMMENT-BODY:Michael Collins@ 02:22

I empathize with your position.

It seemed to me though that that is exactly what Artur faciltated.... He brought it into the Naked Light.... At least to those who look at it from the correct perspective.

Scotland as a nation is terminally ill you say.. I have to differ..... Permanently Shrill i would call it.
It Keeps the money going round... unfortunately ... some say. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

steelica COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:04 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

The permutations are intoxicating. My heart says Celtic my head tells me it is still Ran666ers to lose.

I believe Kevtic is on the button. This weekend is crucial. If we beat Murderwell on Saturday and they fail to win at Easter Road, then it is game on.

We must keep putting the presuure on them.
To all Celtic fans I go back to the mantra "You have to believe it to see it."

I believe! I believe! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

DeeCee COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:14 COMMENT-BODY:Aiden McGeady is on the front page of both hun daily tabloids this morning for being involved in a 'brawl' outside a Glasgow nightclub at 3am after the huns game.

He is not called a Thug in the DR article so I guess their balancing their coverage these days. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

andycolo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:47 COMMENT-BODY:One click on their site is enough. The story is that Aiden and Skippy were attacked outside Bamboo as they left. AMcG said he was more than willing to co-operate with the police as he was the aggrieved party.
The story ended with a reference to the Celtic supporter who died, apparently from a heart attack after being assaulted in Govan on the night after the match. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

DeeCee COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 07:57 COMMENT-BODY:Interesting how Scott McDonald scored two on Sunday and yet the huns targeted McGeady.

They must be really upset at the lack of wingers in the Scottish national team. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

neverbeten COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 08:22 COMMENT-BODY:I have only ever heard bad things said about the SPL "Split" that was introduced a few years back. Am I alone in thinking its worked out rather well this season with who has to play who , with every team practically playing for something? Hats off to the hierarchy at the SPL perhaps? Och, maybe no.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieBhoy315 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 08:52 COMMENT-BODY:Guys,

Short note to say that I was re-united with my wedding ring this morning. A big thank you to o1bhoy and particularly Madeira Bhoy who put me in touch with the guy on CelticMinded who's workmate found it.

My life-expectancy is now back to normal, and the spare room will go back to being the spare room... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:19 COMMENT-BODY:Eldiegobhoy @23.24,

Brilliant. Had the hairs on the back of my neck STANDING UP. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:39 COMMENT-BODY:Somebdy blogged that we should all get behind Artur with the T Shirts at the nest home game.

Total agreement!!

Same T Shirt with the caption

Top: God Bless the Pope

Middle: Picture of Karl

Underneath: Being a catholic is not a crime unless your the scottish media (Scotland Shame Part 2) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:42 COMMENT-BODY:Scotty and Boruc praying together at Celtic Park.

Little pray -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:54 COMMENT-BODY:Druiddude

Good mhan.

Have a great day. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:57 COMMENT-BODY:StevieBhoy315...

Ghood Nhews...Re; your Wedding Ring... I was just thinking about it...

Tell the wife a Ghuy in Oz and Spain found it...Small World indeed...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:58 COMMENT-BODY:Today Paatelainen said: "It was out of order, you cannot talk to referees and start arguing with them. Thierry had just been booked but he kept talking back, he asked for it.

"He was bang out of order and let his team-mates down, it's as simple as that.

"We are a man short and then Colin starts calling the referee names. It's beyond me how he can behave like that."

Paatelainen revealed he knows what Nish said to Dougal and although he refused to divulge what passed between them, he insisted it was said so quietly only the referee heard it.

The Hibs boss also claimed Dougal could well have chosen to brush it off or issue a yellow card but conceded the official was entitled to follow the letter of the law as he had done.

He said: "It does not matter what he said, the referee was offended and sent him off. I don't think anyone but the referee heard it. The referee took action as he is entitled to do." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 09:59 COMMENT-BODY:Wheres sean south? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:06 COMMENT-BODY:awe_naw....

sounds like one rule(britannia?) for "them", one rule for everybody else.

Or am I paranoid?

bazzabhoy, he can be elusive when things are going well.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:08 COMMENT-BODY:Georgiebhoy,

secret. Here is what Nish whispered to Dougal.

"when are you gonnae send me aff brother" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:14 COMMENT-BODY:Belated many happy returns to Pablophanque-here's wee Clare

..and Pan's People! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:15 COMMENT-BODY:For those who think 'Artur should keep that ''stuff'' for his private life' I think this from his website maybe shows it's not just an act...

http://www.arturboruc.com/galeria.php

Am sure, the Scottish Media must be very proud of the fact that all of Europe are once again asking that age old question...

'Just what exactly is offensive about a picture of the Pope?'

UEFA's verdict on Rangers a few years back was actually very clever and a shameful day in the history of the SFA. Effectively, it said 'this authority have allowed this to continue for 100 years' and 'we've no idea what to do with anti-papalness as we've never come across it before!'.

Scotland's shame - Rangers are at the forefront of it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:17 COMMENT-BODY:Oh, and can anyone suggest another country on the entire planet where Artur's t-shirt would cause so much frothing at the mouth?

I had to check the date today that it was really 2008.

Anyways, apparently the Devil has invented a machine that transcribes vinyl onto a PC.

Modern life is.. rubbish -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:17 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry for reposting this but I am an attention seeker

I hope our captain is ok and that his injury is not too bad. I am a big Darren O´ Dea fan and would like to see him given a run in the full team when fully fit but not in a title run in. With him and Big Bobo though it´s not such a big concern. Same with Caddis and Wilson

I also wonder with us having momentum with this line up if WGS is going to stick with it or use midfield players sparingly. I hope not. I think the players that have started these games need to see it through right to the end. If they are match fit then they should keep their places. Cementing first team places in a championship 3 in a row side is not a commodity to throw away lightly. We still need to improve massively on our defensive game through these next three games. No more spawny 1 shot on target let ins. Impose our whole game on them and keep it going anybody thats not psyched up for this run or does not realise what 3 in a row means after MON´s robberies doesn´t know their history and we can let them go.

C´mon the hoops -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

scottishleaf COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:20 COMMENT-BODY:BazzaBhoy

Conspicous by his abscence when Celtic win, not a suprise though! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:21 COMMENT-BODY:DIBBA...Re; PP...

Now They were The People...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:22 COMMENT-BODY:Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong
My own beliefs are in my song
The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then
Makes no difference what group I'm in
I am everyday people, yeah yeah
There is a blue one who can't accept the green one
For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one
And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh sha sha - we got to live together
I am no better and neither are you
We are the same whatever we do
You love me you hate me you know me and then
You can't figure out the bag l'm in
I am everyday people, yeah yeah
There is a long hair that doesn't like the short hair
For bein' such a rich one that will not help the poor one
And different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby doo-bee
Oh sha sha-we got to live together
There is a yellow one that won't accept the black one
That won't accept the red one that won't accept the white one
And different strokes for different folks -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:22 COMMENT-BODY:Georgiebhoy - funny that eh?

Could it be that hes a ... nah.. surely not........hmmmm.

I also cant belive people want wee barry to be booked/treated the same as every other player in the league... hes the rangers captain don't you know. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:25 COMMENT-BODY:bazzabhoy -

Sean South is away having a drink wi Oliver North, Rose West and Sheena Easton.

AllpointstoG40CSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:29 COMMENT-BODY:WG- aye, they're not bothered aho they serve in the Teser these days!

I expect wee Sheena heard about the vouchers and didn't want to missout.

Would you say, yourself excluded, that SE is the most talented person to come from ML2? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:31 COMMENT-BODY:Bazzabhoy,

others (who are far wiser than me) have identified him as a working journalist. Perhaps he is on assignment....

G. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:WinninGemmell...

Sheena Still Lavs Scatlind Folks...

o1bhoy

ml4CSC... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:dontbratt -

she's fae the cesspit that is ML4.

For ML2 choose from:

The Alexander Brothers
Neil Reid ('Mother of Mine')
NAFOS -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:36 COMMENT-BODY:Did Sean South not basically say that he only comes on here when we do get beat as he uses this as a place to vent his fury?

Effectively something like he shares his joy with others or something like that? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:37 COMMENT-BODY:In which case I go for NAFOS.

Neil Reid was on Opporchancity Knocks. He could have had a folow-up with Paula Yates -'Father of mine' -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:41 COMMENT-BODY:Is Alisdair Alexander one of the Alexander Brothers?

Does David Begg have small-man syndrome (that was a wee joke for all our Gaelic-speaking readers)? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:41 COMMENT-BODY:tmc,

poor show if he did - good and bad times together surely?

On a seperate note, do you know if the godfather got my reply to his email from a couple of weeks ago?

Tradimus Lampada

G. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:42 COMMENT-BODY:I was a little concerned by the contents of this piece, pert of which reads:

"Celtic stars Aiden McGeady and two-goal Scott McDonald were attacked by a group of Rangers fans in the early Hours of Sunday Morning. The pair were targeted by the Neds as they were leaving a Glasgow Nightclub at around 3:00AM."

I trust that this is an error in this article, or the report in which the original story was covered, and that the incident did in fact take place at 3.00am on Monday.

If our players are out clubbing at 3.00am prior to a 12.30pm potential title decider they should be sacked on the spot. They are supposed to be highly tuned athletes, and are paid offensive amounts of money to compensate for the constraints placed upon their lives in order to be just that... and clubbing until 3.00am, presumably downing copious quantities of alcohol, doesn't exactly work towards this end, whether it was the day before or after a game! Would we ever have seen the King of Khings in a nightclub at 3.00am during the season?... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:44 COMMENT-BODY:Coffee break.

First chance to post since the game, but have managed at least to skim-read most of the comments on here. There was a great atmosphere in the Tavern on Sunday afternoon, "lusty" (©
P67) support from all the Bhoys there, No.1 London CSC and many others. We met a couple from Stirling, down for the weekend, who had followed 2 Hoops-clad lhads all the way from Canary Wharf to see where they were going, in the hope that they'd end up in a Sellick bar.

It's wonderful how the atmosphere is recreated by all the posts during and after the game.

One piece that perhaps didn't get mentioned ... did anyone else get irritated by Setanta's unusually large number of cutaway reaction shots of Smith (btw, what's all this with calling him "Walter"?)? It's annoying enough in the ordinary course of events, when you just want to watch the game. But this was out of hand. Perhaps he's got a nephew a trainee cameraman? "Ah'll get ye oan the telly, Uncle Walter, when we beat Timmy". -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bambi COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:45 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoys,

I can vouch that Sean South is a Celtic supporter, he is also a tabloid Journo in the North East of England.

He won't be used to being questioned when his thoughts are put to print because he has his own column in the paper, I think that's why he resorts to insults when his opinion is questioned. Very much like Traynor on the radio, he doesn't like to hear other people's opinions because his is always right. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:46 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA,

is Sheena not ML4

If we´re talking ML for me it has to be Neil Reid

Mother of mine you gave to me,
all of my life to do as I please,
I owe everything I have to you,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

Mother of mine when I was young
you showed me the right way things had to be done,
without your arms where would I be,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

CHORUS
Mother you gave me happiness,
much more than words can say,
I thank the lord let me breath with you,
every night and every day.

Mother of mine now I am grown
and I can walk straight all on my own,
I'd like to give you what you gave to me,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

For
REPEAT CHORUS

Mother of mine now I am grown
and I can walk straight all on my own,
I'd like to give you what you gave to me,
Mother sweet Mother of mine.
Mother sweet Mother of mine.

For those not in the know Neil got a black eye from his mum and the ability to walk straight all on your own is a big thing in that area.

I always felt that he could have been a superstar. He made a big mistake hooking up with the Coatbrig glue sniffers - tragic ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:51 COMMENT-BODY:Bambi,

I think that the point was being made in jest (at least I thought it was...)

However, by alienating so many people with constant jibs and insults any potentially good points made are going to be lost as people will, and do, scroll on by...

Perhaps if he wasn't so spikey...
I'm not familiar with his work, is that his style generally?

G -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:53 COMMENT-BODY:bambi...

When did Chico Youngster move to the North East of England...?

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

danny COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:54 COMMENT-BODY:daveinlondon

It wasn't the number of shots of Smith on Setanta that I found unusual. It was the swarm of flies that seemed to be permanently around him ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:57 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 10:58 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:05 COMMENT-BODY:Aw_Naw_etc., give it a rest, please! You are leaning on your keyboard... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

scottishleaf COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:22 COMMENT-BODY:who broke the blog? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:26 COMMENT-BODY:Scottishleaf, I think it was Awe_Naw, repeatedly sending the same message when he fell asleep and slumped onto his keyboard. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:36 COMMENT-BODY:What's happened?
Wisnae me mister. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

daveinlondon COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:41 COMMENT-BODY:Danny @ 10.54;

that's unusual? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:42 COMMENT-BODY:BigChipsUK .... blame Neil Reid

Not Guilty I sent it once and pressed F5 once.

I´m also have to press F5 every time I deleted one of the phantom posts.

I think Paul67 might have a Neil Reid filter and quite right too. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:43 COMMENT-BODY:Awe_Naw... :o) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:44 COMMENT-BODY:Thismancraig:

Can we be sure Artur is "Celtic-minded"?;)

http://www.arturboruc.com/zdjecia/oarturze.jpg -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 11:49 COMMENT-BODY:CQN saboteur caught red handed -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:00 COMMENT-BODY:Did they no try to get Neil Reid and Lena Zavaroni as an item ?

BarryFitzgeraldCSC,Lisdoonvarna -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:10 COMMENT-BODY:Is Neil Reid any relation to our chairman ?

If so is is this why the wee piece of ganga was hushed up. To protect his image ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:14 COMMENT-BODY:Ronaldo, Messi and Aiden Mc Geady are standing before God at the throne of Heaven.

God looks at them and says; "Before granting you a place at my side, I must first ask you what you believe in."

Addressing Ronaldo first he asks, "What do you believe?"

Ronaldo looks God in the eye and states passionately, "I believe football to be the food of life. Nothing else brings such unbridled joy to so many people from the slums of Lisbon to the bright lights of Manchester. I have devoted my life to bring such joy to people who stood on the terraces supporting their club."

God looks up and offers Ronaldo the seat to his left.

He then turns to Lionel Messi, "And you, Lionel, what do you believe?"

Lionel stands tall and proud, "I believe courage, honour and passion are the fundamentals to life and I've spent my whole playing career providing a living embodiment of these traits."

God, moved by the passion of the speech offers Lionel the seat to his right.

Finally, he turns to Aiden Mc Geady , "And you, Aiden, what do you believe?"

"I believe", says Aiden, "that you're sitting in my seat." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:17 COMMENT-BODY:new article posted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:31 COMMENT-BODY:Apologies if you are looking for the new article, we appear to be in meltdown. *!*! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 12:35 COMMENT-BODY:Emdy fancy a gem a "hidenseek"...

o1bhoy -------- TITLE: Oh Rangers did you really think it’s over? AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/28/2008 03:49:00 PM ----- BODY: Rangers had not lost to Celtic after getting their noses in front in 15 years, so they must have felt they had done enough yesterday when they edged in front. Celtic Park was at its very best though, which I am sure helped drag the team off the ropes and on to victory. Perhaps one small aspect of getting the mood right was the return of some traditional supporters songs on the PA system. Getting the tone right with traditional music is more difficult than getting it wrong, so well done to whoever made the call yesterday. More please against that lot from Hibernia. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sannabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:50 COMMENT-BODY:excellent atmosphere yesterday. another one v Hibs and we're set up ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

itzallova COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:54 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart @ 15.02

It means if you dont support the fod, you are a non person. Basically its elitist mumbo jumbo for idiots. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheLeftWinger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:55 COMMENT-BODY:Let The People Sing indeed....... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:56 COMMENT-BODY:Only caught the end of the last article...so I'm reposting :-p...

****Paul, apologies in advance for the long post…everyone feel free to scroll on by but hopefully I can contribute something to the debate. Before I go off on a tirade, let me just say that yesterday in Paradise was magic and that I am not by nature as bitter as this post may make me seem :-). I am in fact, quite chuffed at our recent results, as I’m sure you can all imagine. Hail hail!****

And so the predictable media hoo-ha over big Artur’s papal t-shirt begins…

What an absolute disgrace the media in this insular little country is. I am sure that Artur’s primary motivation was to wind up the Rangers fans who have, let’s not forget, subjected him to sectarian abuse the kind of which – if spewed against any other ethnicity or religion – would be universally deemed unacceptable. Even by the media.

My only conclusion in this whole affair is that Artur has – I presume unwittingly – exposed many Rangers fans, the Scottish media in general and the union head as bigots.

Fraser Wishart, especially, should hang his head in shame. It is not within his remit to criticise the legal actions of players in his union. He has also completely failed to provide any public support for a player who has received vile sectarian abuse and had the indignity of a procurator fiscal warning dished out for the callous and offending act of blessing himself. He has furthermore failed to condemn such treatment of players. I remember him being particularly vocal when there were incidents of racial abuse at Fir Park. Rightly so. Did he even so much as utter a peep of condemnation during the seven years in which Neil Lennon endured racist and sectarian abuse on a regular basis?

Every time Artur does something remotely – for want of a better word – inflammatory, the same illogical adages are trotted out. He blessed himself – God forbid! Y’Gads, he even “sarcastically” applauded the Hibs fans…

“He could have caused I riot,” they say.

“It was a breach of the peace,” they say.

These are the exact same mantras that anyone who still reads a red top or listens to Radio Clyde and its clones will read and/or hear today.

They are, of course, nonsense. If an image of the Pope incites anyone to riot in 2008, frankly, it is that person who should be prosecuted for breach of the peace, arguably with a hate-crime motivation thrown in.

To be fair to Chic Young, he made that exact point yesterday on Radio Scotland.

All this cod-legal jargon from people who simply do not know what they are talking about is completely unhelpful as well. Notice that we do not hear any mention of Artur’s legally enshrined right to manifestation of his religious belief and freedom of expression – guaranteed under Articles 9 and 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights and legally enforceable in a Scottish court by virtue of the Scotland Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998.

I am very rarely moved to respond to any of the inane whitterings of tabloid journalists or radio pundits in Scotland but this is an important issue – one which holds a rather uncomplimentary light up to Scottish society.

The fact that people first consider that some eejit might be offended before they consider basic civil liberties is indicative of the backwardness of this country, or at least certain sections within this country.

Does anyone remember an article in the Evening Times in the aftermath of our away fixture against Hibs a few months back? Remember Artur’s “ironic” waving?

Matthew Lindsay's "article" in the Evening Times before the game in the Nou Camp about the waving incident at Easter Road is possibly the foremost example of appallingly lazy sensationalism I have had the dubious pleasure of reading this year. Couple it with the sensationalism we are all seeing fester over Artur’s “controversy” and a pattern emerges.

I am loathe to drag up the Lindsay article but it is, I feel, indicative of the current situation and very much typical of journalism in this country.

The media do not like Artur – he is a big, gallus, successful athlete who knows who he is and doesn’t care one jot what other people think of that. And he isn’t afraid of flaunting that fact.

Mr Lindsay suggested that Artur waving at fans in the Nou Camp in a similar fashion to what he did at Easter Road would cause a "full-scale riot" - a response it did not even illicit at Easter Road.

What a shamefully irresponsible thing to write! A spurious claim with no evidence which we now know to be false.

And here is where I see a connection: the exact same argument we are seeing in relation to t-shirt-gate…

Mr Lindsay remarked that Artur’s ironic waving "could easily have provoked an ugly, even violent, response". I would assume that most sentient beings would agree that anyone moved to violence at a football match due to someone waving at them is the one guilty of "indiscipline", not Artur Boruc. The same applies to someone moved to violence by a t-shirt depicting a religious leader.

Artur was then accused of "continued indiscipline", and it was remarked that "this is not the first time he had hit the headlines for the wrong reasons". This is absurd. What examples of such indiscipline are there? How many times has Artur Boruc been sent off for Celtic?

Never.

This is clearly a not-so-veiled reference to the media-created furore surrounding Artur Boruc's practice of blessing himself before matches since this was the only other controversial issue at the tine of Lindsay’s writing. Only in a country as morbidly obsessed with its own disfunction as Scotland could such an act be construed as in any way inflammatory. Blessing oneself is not a manifestation of indiscipline. It is a manifestation of Artur Boruc's religion; a manifestation guaranteed by Articles 9 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights. It is a shameful indictment of the insidious sectarianism in this country that the incident provoked any reaction at all. Equally shameful is Mr Lindsay's allusion to it.

And even more shameful is that they are all at it again!

Artur Boruc is a world-class player and a fantastic character - Scottish football would be a far duller place without him. He is certainly a wind-up merchant. But this does not mean that Artur Boruc did anything wrong. I would contend that Artur’s only inadvised action has been to leave himself open to such lurid tabloid spin. But I suspect he doesn’t give a toss what is written about him, and that is fair enough.

The fact that Artur Boruc produces such idiotic ramblings is the fault of what Mr Lindsay in his article called “the cretins who attach themselves to Scottish football" and no-one else.

Journalists (and player’s union bosses) should be less neglectful of the truth - and their responsibilities in a civil society.

And these responsibilities should surely be engaged by the vile famine chant sung by the vast majority of Rangers fans at Parkhead in the last two Old Firm games. Has there been any mention of this in the media?

I haven’t seen any.

The Rangers fans sing to me to “go home”.

I am home.

As Heaney so eloquently wrote in “Whatever You Say Say Nothing” –

"Yet I live here, I live here too, I sing,

Expertly civil-tongued with civil neighbours..."

Unfortunately, some of our neighbours aren’t so civil.

Again, in the case of Artur, we have seen a mere pantomime turned into a potential riot, whilst nary a peep is made of “the famine’s over chant”.

The famine and its effects killed up to one and a half million innocents and produced an unprecedented exodus of another million people. So far as I’m aware, wearing a t-shirt of the Pope hasn’t killed anyone yet.

Only in Scotland. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:56 COMMENT-BODY:the atmos and the support are so important to this team.

The away support sing their hearts out and back the team from start till finish.

The last two games against r*angers have reminded us what Celtic Park should sound like. Please do not return to silent expectation, sitting on hands and nervous shuffling because the team pick up on it and get nervous and the visitors pick up on it and feed on it.

Whole hearted vocal support till the end of the season (and beyond) ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

tully57 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:05 COMMENT-BODY:Spot - on Paul, hopefully we can bring The Fields back too.

Fair play as well to the Jungle Bhoys and volunteers for a tremendous banner display.

I would love the Aiden McGeady & Jimmy McGrory banners for the gable end of my house.

Serpents - tremendous post. With you 100%. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:06 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67, Nae Bread et all,

The atmosphere yesterday was fantastic and yes I believe it did drag us back into it in that first half after we seemed to lose our way.

The Wednesday before I thought had a better atmosphere but this could have been down to the Football being played under the Floodlights.
Love that feeling. Maybe a reminder of the Euro Nights during winter.

I agree though, the last 3 matches have to be a right good sing song, home & away. WGS commented on it more this year than any other about how he feels it plays a big part.

The team needs us for this push
Hail Hail

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:07 COMMENT-BODY:Serpents,

I'm going top print your post out and have a read when stuck in traffic.

Mucker
Off the smokes at the worst time! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

peter COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:08 COMMENT-BODY:excellent article serpent's tongue. However can I suggest that you don't forget too quickly the sweetness of yesterday's result.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lennondinho18 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:09 COMMENT-BODY:if they do their gonna have to kill us all

for until u take gordon smith out of the top job

then we will sing about our battles at.........

cudnae think of the last bit!!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Jumanji COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:12 COMMENT-BODY:Let the people sing and the people shall.

Anyone with pics of the banners yesterday seen as my mrs had my ticket and i wasnt there. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:14 COMMENT-BODY:tully57, abmucker - cheers :)

peter - I've watched it thrice already. I'm not gonna forget just yet.

StillTriumphant -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Theragswerepublicansdisdain COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:16 COMMENT-BODY:Serpent's tounge,

That was an excellent post, made all the better by mentioning famous Seamus.

Therags...

Watching the pointing hands
Of country people,
Not knowing their tongue. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:22 COMMENT-BODY:itzallova,

I had guessed at the gist. I'd rather be a non-person than one of them.

My dad drove through yesterday, and parked somewhere inadvisable. We ended up more or less crossing (!) the away fans as they left the ground. We didn't open our mouths but the abuse we were subjected to was horrible. One guy threw a glass at me. The thing that really opened my eyes was the assumptions they make about the Celtic support. I'm neither Irish nor Catholic, but those were the things they chose to abuse me for. I sometimes think that the perceived bigotry and prejudice is a bit overdone, but yesterday I was sorry to see it alive and thriving in Glasgow. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:28 COMMENT-BODY:I loved Artur's t-shirt. However, his jousting with the Rankers fans and media has to be taken in exactly that spirit. Turn the tables - if Rankers had won/drawn yesterday and Neil Alexander ran across the pitch waving a union jack, would we all be here declaring his right to freedom of expression ? I don't think so somehow. Alternatively, if Alexander had revealed a "rule britannia" shirt ? In both these hypothetical situations, I would argue that the media would be correct to decry him. I suspect that many here would agree.

In short, leave the two-faced approach to them. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:33 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart,

I hate the "Peepul" chant but it also makes me laugh as they quite obviously aren't representative of any decent or civil section of anyones population.

In response to the Famine song.

We're paying your Dole
We're paying your Dole
We can't go home
Cause we're paying your Dole.

I know most of you lot out there are "Home" but it was just a thought. I'd like a good chant to put them back down into teh hold they belong
(Sorry Mineshafters :-))

Mucker
Not a Song Writer -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:37 COMMENT-BODY:Sellik First -

no more news on Paul and wasn't able to contact his dad. Bad stuff but typical of ML2 to be honest. I may pick up some more info tonight.

Happy Birthday to those celebrating. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:39 COMMENT-BODY:malceye

I agree with you about the spirit in which Artur's gesture should be taken...the thing is that it hasn't been taken in the spirit of a wind-up by the media and Rangers fans.

The default position was to call bloody murder and demand he be disciplined for somehow endangering people. The problem is theirs, not Artur's.

I have no doubt it was intended as a wind-up. And given what Artur has faced, I wholeheartedly salute him!

If Neil Alexander decided to do either of those things, I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Most Celtic fans wouldn't be happy in the heat of the moment but that doesn't mean someone should face criminal sanctions (as many have advocated in the case of Artur).

And if Neil Alexander did do that, do you think the media would decry him?

That's the question.

I think they might but certainly not with the same gusto they have with Artur over the last few months. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:39 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye,

Spot on, I'd like to think we're better than that, and could heartily boo Alexander if he did that and agree that it was a decent wind-up. I fear that there's plenty morons in our support too who'd take it too far.

In both cases I'd say that the players were within their rights, but slightly ill advised. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:malceye

I honestly couldnt give a flip if Neil Alexander wore a god save the queen Tshirt (in fact it it was a seditioneries original I'd buy it from him)

Or if he ran about with a union jack.

Why the hell would I find any of those actions offensive?

Am I rabidly anti british? No, I am all for independance and I am also for a republic, but I do not find support for the union or for the monarchy at all offensive. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:malceye,

With regards to your hypothetical situation. Hasn´t Andy Goram and Billy Wright already disproven ?? spelling help needed DBBIA you ?

Expanding on your theory I dont think the laptop loyal would have had a problem with Alexander running around with A rule britannia T-shirt but if he had thwetemerity to display a lion rampant or a saltire then they would have come down hard on him. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

peter COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:44 COMMENT-BODY:Forgot to say hi to paul67 and all on CQN. First time poster long time lurker/shirker.

Serpent's Tongue - I look forward to reading your future posts. Keep up the good work.

Stuart -

I had the misfortune to catch the train home yesterday after leaving BB's. In High Street station a Rangers "fan", a man in his thirties, after urinating on the platform in plain view of other passengers (along with his girlfriend) verbally abused celebrating Celtic supporters on the opposite platform. When this failed to elicit any response he accussed us of paedophelia and informed us that we didn't wash. I swear the man actually BELIEVED what he was saying. Let me repeat it. I truly feel that he was firm in his belief and his convictions.
It absolutely beggars belief.

Make no mistake.
They are hurting.
They have always been hurting.
They will always be hurting.

Hail Hail. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:46 COMMENT-BODY:NAe Bread,

I know this is not going to make me popular but I have often argued that without the union Scotland would have become Bosnia before Bosnia did if you catch my drift. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:49 COMMENT-BODY: Sason 1978-79 Revisited

28 April

Premier League

Celtic 2 Dundee United 1

Emerald Greens:-

Latchford, McGrain, Edvaldsson, Aitken, Lynch, Conroy;
Burns, MacLeod, Provan, McCluskey, Doyle.

Tangerines:-

McAlpine, Stewart, Hegarty, Narey, Stark,Addison;
Fleming, Holt, Kirkwood (Payne), Sturrock (Kopel), Merrick.

Att-37,000

0-1 Merrick (43)

0-1 HT

1-1 Wee Johnny, God rest him (58)
2-1 Lynch (68 pen)

Celtic came from behind for the second successive match to win by the odd goal in three. Davie 'Wean-Frightener' Dodds opened the scoring for the aptly-nicknamed Terrors just before the interval. However Celtic hit back and took the points with two second-half goals, the second being a crucial penalty conversion. Hmmmmm.

PS Graham Payne - an unfulfilled talent if ever there was one.

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:49 COMMENT-BODY:nae bread,

It seems that we are offended by their offensive actions and gross bigotry.

They're offended that 'we' exist. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:50 COMMENT-BODY:Awenaw- disproven is fine:~) Or refuted.

I would pay good money to see Her Majesty in a 'God Bless Neil Alexander' t-shirt. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:51 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry Lhads,

But waving the Buthcer's Apron at the opposition (by a Player) or a Nice T-Shirt (Ahem) with Rule - Britannia on it cannot and should not be compared with having a religous figure on a T-Shirt!!!

I'm not going to get on my high horse about the waving of that flag or the wearing of that T-Shirt but they aren't the same.

Boruc retaliated to the bigots in a simple way. He's has been abused since he dared Bless himself at their midden. (Someone posted a link of a video made by one of these muppets who actually mentions on it "that's it, I've got you on video now ya.....". Evidence indeed.

Don't make excuses for muppets by saying some of ours would do the same. We have had low points as a support but never at their level as long as I have attended games.

We're not the same!
God forbid

Mucker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:51 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA,

just a T-shirt ?

What about Carla -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:53 COMMENT-BODY:Serpent's tongue - great post and sadly, relentlessly, true.

Their goalie (one in particular) acted with impunity, both on and off the field. McGregor himself is trying to build a certain hero mystique about himself...

And yet Artur Bowritz (If the press and commentators are to be believed) is vilified. Because there's a bigger undertow at work here. He is the pinnacle, the fullest representation of the new immigrant flow the 'peepul' have to rail against. He is the bogeyman for their deluded fears re them people, them catholic people, coming over here and stealing our jobs.

He is big and powerful and successful and does not like them and is not afraid to show it and reminds them that we live in a time where their ideas of tolerance are not the measuring stick or the guidelines by which people should behave.

The nation's - and I strongly italic nation - response to him has been nothing short of unforgivable and dark and twisted.

He holds up the crack'd looking glass and they hate what they see yet are too rooted in their hatred to change and find the easiest route from introspection is vocal and optical asault.

Abba Adonai

UMC3GL -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:56 COMMENT-BODY:Awe Naw

I know where you are coming from. I am aware of the lord advocates dragging scotland out of a taleban type state that would have existed had knoxes followers got all their own way. And also of how the english parliament curtailed the circa 1900 church of scotland (now penitent) biggoted behaviour by introducing the schools act.

I do belive in Salmond that we have a guy who does not give a damn about protecting 'tradition' and wants the country to move forward in a way McConnel would shy away from. Only time will tell. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:57 COMMENT-BODY:Serpent and Stuart,

for what its worth, my survey of the papers today - Independent, Guardian, Torygraph, Herald and Scotsman demonstrated that Artur's shirt was a newsworthy item but none determined it worthy of their express contempt or complaint. I suspect that if the boot was on the other foot, that would be the limit of the "condemnation" of any Ranker player.

You or I may not take offence but there are others who would take great exception. Whether those Celtic fans would be religiously motivated, I am not sure but the point must be that for some that objection may well take the physical form.

We have to be very careful to distinguish sectarianism from a concern for public safety. As we all know, many have been killed or injured as a consequence of the religious intolerance of others. That is not to say that you pander to their small-mindedness. However, freedom of expression or otherwise, what has a GBTP shirt have to do with football ? Moreover, what does it have to do with a football match attended by a significant proportion of the away support who are the intolerant sort who will maim others who they identify as Catholic ? To a neutral, it must be baffling, to say the least. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Onlooker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:01 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart 16:22
I used to work with a Dunfermline fan who used to go to every game home and away.
He travelled to Glasgow with low expectation ,during this period the Pars were often beaten 4,5, or 6 nil so they were not exactly offering a threat on the pitch.
Their travelling support would be a few hundred but they would sing their hearts out with ironic ditties outlining their plight.

He always enjoyed the banter with the Celtic fans ( or so he told me anyway) but was always amazed at the vitriol of those who walk in Darkness.
I remember well his report one day.

He was bemused to hear the Ibrox 'choir' chant at the small band of visitors
" Fife Fenian B's , your just Fife Fenian B's"

They use the two words in conjunction so often they must think Fenian & B is all one word.

AB Mucker 16:33

If your looking for words to sing back to the Famine song how about using Ian Archers quote to the same tune, needs some work

"Permanent embarrassment
Permanent embarrassment
Permanent embarrassment
Occasional disgrace"

The Onlooker -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:01 COMMENT-BODY:Awenaw- I would pay a lot of money to see Mme Sarkozy in a 'God Bless Harald M Brattbakk' t-shirt.

I understand there is a chance she will wear this to celebrate the impending 10th anniversary of the Slaying of the Nine. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:02 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker,

the flag you refer to is the flag of the country that both clubs play in.

how can we fly the tricolor and be offended by the union flag, and claim to not be two faced?

Why isn't there a union flag on the north stand? We have 7 flags there, but not the national flag (putting the Scotland / Britain distinction aside for the moment). We tell everyone that we were the first British club to with the European Cup. My favourite celtic song celebrates the coronation cup residing in paradise. I assume that it was the coronation of she-who-must-not-be-named ;-)

There's a lot of history here, and I'm not blind to it, but I think that we are better than them, and I want us to continue proving that we are better than them. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:03 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye,

Not sure what you mean there.

Are you saying that because they are a shower of aggressive Bigots, we should be careful not to upset them as they may be incited to violence ???

Mucker
No need to hide no more -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:08 COMMENT-BODY:Song for the boys in blue

3 wheels on my wagon ....

11 blue bottles crashing as they fall

:)

happy bhoy today -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

inkybhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:09 COMMENT-BODY:I'm not sure, but did the T-shirt that Artur wore get thrown to him by a spectator?

TV footage didn't show him taking off his football top revealing said T-shirt, but it seemed to be on top of a long sleeve shirt that wasn't his strip.

According to radio reports, the T-shirt only contravenes FIFA/UEFA rules about T-shirts with slogans in general.

There's no mention about the actual person on the shirt or the words.

And anyway, what's the big deal?

Artur is Polish, and I don't think it's stretching things to say that John Paul II was a figure of huge significance to the Polish people before the fall of the Iron Curtain.

I can only imagine that Artur was brought up to think very highly of JP II and for all I know, popes in general.

What's the problem with this country?

If he had worn a T-shirt saying FTQ, fair enough, there would have been a problem, but he didn't.

Interesting to note a number of assaults and deaths last night in and around Glasgow. Don't remember Sundays being particularly busy for the polis in recent weeks.

Any connection to the result yesterday?

Lardo66

Editor's orders are exactly that Dae it or yer sacked. I remember the pick with Alex 'not vewy pwoud today' Ferguson you're talking about. It was poor idea and poorly executed, like so many of these 'stunted-up' pics.

STANDING UP...no, I didn't go to St Pat's -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:13 COMMENT-BODY:ABMucker

their bigotry should be exposed and continue to be so revealed. However, a goalkeeper revealing a GBTP t-shirt misses the mark in my book. The intention is to antagonise them not expose their intolerance. In a match which has been acclaimed as the world's biggest derby game, where the rest of the world continues to pitch it as the Catholics versus the Protestants (look at any European football magazine), gimmicks such as that only serve to continue the myth that it is divided along such religious lines. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

gweedorebhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:13 COMMENT-BODY:The butchers apron should never hang over parkhead.

The blood of to many innocents has stained that rag red.

I'm all for fair play but that piece of excrement over our heads no thanks.

Rule Britannia my arse. Does two sheep ridden islands stolen from the argies constitute an empire now?

Don't get me started on singing about german pensioners being rescued by god.

They have thier culture we have ours thank god i am not one of the people. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:15 COMMENT-BODY:malceye

Of course it's baffling to neutrals but a God Bless the Pope t-shirt, in reality, has everything to do with football in this country.

It is naive to think that it doesn't.

Our identity as Celtic fans is bound up in Irishness and Catholicism - that is a fact. Whether one believes that to be right or wrong is another matter.

Of course, we are an inclusive community...we are not all Irish Catholic in heritage, but that is - generally - the milieu from which our commonality is forged.

The public safety vs expression thing is a red herring. Of course "many have been killed or injured as a consequence of the religious intolerance of others" but not because of something as trivial as this.

I agree that we must distinguish sectarianism from a concern for public safety but in this case there never was any threat to public safety and if there was, it would be precisely because of sectarianism.

As I said in my earlier post, a pantomime has been made into a potential riot...not by the broadsheet papers that you mentioned, but by tabloid journalism.

I probably won't listen to any of the phone-ins tonight but I am pretty sure there will be some smug rebukes for Artur's actions.

You say that "the point must be that for some that objection may well take the physical form". I would contend that anyone moved to physical violence is the one with the problem. For me, the point is that when people start modifying their behaviour for fear of illiciting retribution of a physical nature, intolerance has won.

And I mean that in a broad sense, not just in the context of a football match.

Anyway, we won!

Hail Hail

SillyTangent -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:16 COMMENT-BODY:abmucker @ 1703

You're completely correct, the ethics, morals & legality are all pretty clear, but...

I'm not sure what the but is, but I think it's something along the lines of it's not morally correct to needlessly put yourselve at risk from someone who respects neither ethics, morals or the law.

Great progress has been made when people bravely ignore this 'but'. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:17 COMMENT-BODY:While I don't think it was the wisest thing to do, I find it utterly incomprehensible that the SFA (according to the BBC) are waiting for the ref's report before deciding upon action about our goalie's wearing of that T-shirt. It does beggar belief. Only in Scotland.

Where is that moron, Fraser Wishart, who already has had the stupidity to suggest that Artur bless himself in the tunnel so as not to offend R+++++s' Supporters? He should be dismissed from any position of responsiblity. Mind you, that should have happened when Wishart failed to defend Artur when his pal Thompson had Artur booked for complaining about Thompson's cheating.

Wee question: did anybody else see Barry Ferguson swearing at the ref? Maybe the ref didn't hear him. Aye, right. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:18 COMMENT-BODY:1973

Scottish First Division

Hibernian 0 Celtic 3

Half-baked:-

McArthur, Bremner, Schaedler, Stanton (Smith), Black, Spalding;
Edwards, O'Rourke, Gordon, Cropley, Duncan.

Well-fired:-

Hunter, McGrain, Brogan, Murdoch, McNeill, Connelly;
Johnstone, Dalglish, Deans, Hay, Callaghan.

1-0 Deans (22)

1-0 HT

2-0 Dalglish (71)
3-0 Deans (80)

From Dreams and Songs To Sing:-

The team travelled to Edinburgh on 28 April 1973 needing only a draw to retain the title, but responded to the pressurised situation with a flourish, The atmosphere in the ground was highly charged, some 45,000 having been shoe-horned into Easter Road, but Celtic swept Hibs aside with a superb display, at once professional and stylish, the 3-0 win being highlighted by clinical finishing from the leading scorers, Dixie Deans and Kenny Dalglish.

Superb. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:20 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart,

I'm obvioulsy missing everybody today.

I can wave a Tricolour as an Irishman and see no need for me to have any affinity with the Union Flag. Simply because Celtic play in Scotland and we don't wave a Union flag does not make us 2 faced. We are a club who celebrate our heritage as a Celtic Club (Pronounce with a 'K' sound). That would be the joining of Ireland and Scotland.

I was under the impression that the Apron was flown at Celtic Park. Apologies if I'm wrong.
How did we get from a Pope t-Shirt to a Scotland v Union discussion??
Do you see this as the same?

You sound quite happy within the union, how can you compare it to religous hatred?

I know we're not on the same level as them so I need to prove nothing!

Mucker
Saoirse Na hEireann agus Alba -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

gweedorebhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:21 COMMENT-BODY:Does anyone else not think that was artur saying GIRUY to the huns once last time.

The egits called journos in this country have driven yet another world class celt away from our so called best little country.

At least he will expose the scum when he leaves he is never shy at providing good copy. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:23 COMMENT-BODY:Welcome Peter, good to hear from you.

Winningemmell, that 1979 theory might have something going for it.

Inkybhoy, I understand the tee shirt was thrown to Artur. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:23 COMMENT-BODY:inkybhoy,

Artur had the t-shirt on under his goalie's jersey. He threw his gloves and then his shirt into the crowd first.

Frankly I don't care why Artur chose to wear what he did. It doesn't matter. He had every right to do so regardless of what anyone else may think. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Hanif Uno Dahistri COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:25 COMMENT-BODY:well said malceye

I enjoyed Boruc's behaviour yesterday cause I'm a wean at heart and it annoyed them.

But I hate the image it sends worldwide ( their reaction is worse - I know, I know )

I could discuss and defend my issues with the Pope and his teachings but this is a site about football, and should stick to football. Hence, I don't like it when a player brings religion to the centre of the debate. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:25 COMMENT-BODY:Serpents

if Catholic is a status which adequately describes the modern Celtic then what quarrel can we have with "them" and the vile views they continue to express ? The clue is in the name of their denomination - "protestant".

For me, Celtic is not a Catholic club nor is it Irish. That may be the heritage but we must be very careful to avoid such tags in today. Celtic is a Scottish club. Jock Stein would never define the club as anything more. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

St-Gris COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:ARTUR BORUC.

you just know both phone-ins will all be about him and how he has let himself down, let the club down but most importantly - let the fans down. blah blah blah.

I was going to phone in - can anyone justify big Arturs actions.

I cant. Nothing wrong with it. Only the bigots have a problem with it but i couldnt back him in words.

There is a time and a place and that was just a big GIRUY. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:If we're going to start squabbling among ourselves about Artur's t-shirt, the media have succeeded.

A t-shirt !!

ML2 will be bouncing to flute bands every weekend until October.

Sad country this. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tic Talk COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:This was written at 11.30 yesterday as a tribute to the many excellent posts of Winningemmel and to show how I wa feeling before the game.
ANDERING GUNNER
or
Wallop Guzzler
Woke Gently
Wanting Gratification.
Winning Grandly
Will Give
Wee Gordon
Wonderful Glory
Without Greeting,
Whingeing Gloating.
Wonderful Goals
Win Games.
Walter Gutted
We Glory
With Glagow
Celtic.
A belated Wappy Girthday -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tic Talk COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:27 COMMENT-BODY:Whingers Gloating -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kingoh COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:27 COMMENT-BODY:Just back from the reserve game. Nothing great to report after a scrappy 1-0 defeat but young McGowan looks a prospect and Killen had a decent game despite the scoreline. Bobo and Cuthbert solid at the back.

Still now only one game in hand and 2 points behind St Mirren.

Maybe it's best to have the points in the bag as opposed to games in hand.Mmmmmmm..... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:29 COMMENT-BODY:By the way, I have no problem whatever with flying the Union Jack at Celtic Park. I thought it used to be flown.

Many of the fans will have family who have been in the forces over the years. In my own case, my grandfather (on my mother's side), a Protestant from Bridgeton, died of wounds he received in the First World World; his wife, my granny, was also born in Brigton to 2 Donegal folk, who lost 3 sons in that same conflict.

All of the male generation before me did National Service and quite proudly, even if most of them were turned down for jobs because of the school they went to.

And don't infer from any of the above that I have any love for them and what they stand for. They appal me, as does their usurpation of the National Flag. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:29 COMMENT-BODY:Nothing will happen to Artur Boruc. We will be told by the laptop loyal that he got a warning.As that is what they will be told to write. They will offer him friendly advice.He will just laugh at them and they will know it. I dont believe that he is for the offski. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

DublinBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:31 COMMENT-BODY:Malcye 16:28:

I'm not sure of your point in saying "if Rankers had won/drawn yesterday and Neil Alexander ran across the pitch waving a union jack, would we all be here declaring his right to freedom of expression".
Boruc ran with the League Winners flag not a Vatican/Polish/Irish flag at Ibrox. Why is that controversial? You could say that winning and parading the cup is also controversial in that it will irritate them.

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:31 COMMENT-BODY:As Mick Dundee would say- that's not a t-shirt- this is a t-shirt -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:34 COMMENT-BODY:Tic Talk -

thank you, kind sir, I'll use some of them in future no doubt.

Yes, a very ragged butcher's apron flew above the main stand. I believe there was some law that clubs had to play under that flag. Haven't seen it in years though.

White&Green -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:35 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye / Stuart,

Sorry if I lost the point in al that. I was sort of agreeing with you regarding this being a GIRUY and not a profession of faith.
I also agree that at a time we want to rid this image of our club as being the "Catholic Club" this won't help in teh eyes of the world.

But I cannot defend teh view point that this would be the same as their goalie waving a flag or having a "Rule Britannia" T-Shirt

Gweedore Bhoy,
A man after my own heart. Maith thu.

Mucker
Still laughing at Huns -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mick COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:35 COMMENT-BODY:Stuart,
The union flag has flow over the North Stand... I've got the picture to prove it. Sorry Gweedorebhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

inkybhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:36 COMMENT-BODY:Cheers P67 and Gordon, conflicting versions of the provenance of said T-shirt!

It doesn't really matter, as it did seem to be a huge GIRUY to the Rangers fans, who haven't always been understanding about Artur's choices in terms of professing his faith.

Personally, I think the Voodoo No Worky banner was more offensive than Artur's T-shirt, both on the grounds that it had a pop at the guy's religion and I think his nationality by making a weak 'joke' about his grasp of English, which I've always found to be rather good..how many of the fans who hate Artur are bilingual I wonder?

If Artur was Muslim or Jewish or Zoarastrian or a Jehovah's Witness or Buddhist, would there be the same level of opprobrium directed towards him by FOD fans?

Tricky....mmm...let me think about that.....

STANDING UP -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:37 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye

I'm afraid you're wrong.

Celtic is not a Scottish club.

At the very least we have a dual identity and that is what makes us special. Billy McNeil has described Celtic as "an Irish club in Scotland". Where did Jock Stein ever say insinuate that this element was to be ignored?

I'm sure Brother Walfrid would view us as more than just a Scottish club.

I never said that being Catholic was a "status which adequately describes the modern Celtic" - I said it was a compenent of our heritage and that is a fact. We are a diverse club but should not be afraid of our heritage.

Personally, I don't have a quarrel with their faith (I am not particularly religious) or anything else about them other than the racist chant alluding to the famine. I fail to understand how having pride in Celtic's heritage somehow disallows us from having a quarrel with this.

Give me one good reason why we should be careful to "avoid" tags that are a result of our heritage?

WG - correct...1-0 to them.

ST -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tony Bananas COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:39 COMMENT-BODY:malceye 16.28 -

Has Neil Alexander been constantly villified in a sectarian and racist fashion almost from the first minute of stepping foot onto Celtic Park? NO

Has Neil Alexander been the subject of poisonous banners decrying his religion? NO

Has Neil Alexander been subject to the severest scrutiny by the press in a transparent effort to smear his character and thereby exhonorate the bigots? NO

In short, we haven't been "dishing out" the "banter" and therefore I can't see that the scenario you describe is a fair comparison.

So give me a break with the "two faced" nonsense.

we have enough to deal with, with the media in this country doing their "evening things up" balanced "reporting" without us doing it for them.

I also think you seriously underestimate the Celtic support. "God Save the Queen" so what? Sure somebody somewhere would be annoyed by that and no doubt the Scottish media would delight in turning the spotlight on to reveal us as bigots whilst exhonorating the player. Fernando Ricksen a few years back anyone? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:40 COMMENT-BODY:DBBIA

Always quality posts......always quality

Mucker
Away home to the wife -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:40 COMMENT-BODY:During the WC a German friend of mine bought me a German national strip as a present. I wore it proudly. My boy is half German ... so he´s technically a Hun or is he a hauf hun ?

HaufahunCSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

May67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:42 COMMENT-BODY:Read the Record in the pub at lunchtime - I know, I know, but sometimes you have to keep up with the enemy. Surprisingly their main comments on the back and inside back pages re Artur were to point out that the detail on the t-shirt would not have been visible to those fans inside the stadium; that it was only visible in close-up on TV; and that he was nowhere near the Rangers fans. They also expressed their amusement at Gordon Strachan's Myra Hindley comment.

Sadly, some of the columnists, notably Oor Murdo, were predictably outraged.

Having been at the game myself and having stayed until Artur left the pitch, the first I was aware of the t-shirt was when my nephew in London texted me about it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hass Bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:43 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,

I think I saw pretty clearly from my position in LL Upper that Artur approached the fans and threw his gloves and Shirt into the crowd. The t-shirt was definitly under the goalie shirt. As I couldn't see what it said from where I was, I initially thought it was a bad sign - player throwing shirt into crowd usually = leaving soon.

As a matter of fact, now that it occurs to me - unless the Rangers fans had super-duper vision, the vast majority of them would never have been able to make out what it said - he was right in front of my stand, albeit i'm in the 2nd ros of the upper teir, and I couldn't make out the writing, nor could anyone else sitting next to me...

And what about Novo at the end? Gesturing to the whole park, and highlighting he tattoo, which doubtless says "if found, please return to deepest darkest Peru..."

I would say that I dispair, but i don't really - there's now a horrible inevitibility when any Catholic dares to show his alegancies in this country.

On the "why don't you go home?" - no-one in the media picked this up yet? Imagine the outcry had that song been targetted at any other group or section of society. Can the club not come out condemn chants like that? Have to say, it's one of the most xenophobic things I've ever heard tolerated at a football match - to me it tops them being "up to their knees", as it's a chilling reminder of exactly what belefs these xenophobes like to pollute their childrens minds with.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:44 COMMENT-BODY:TonyBannans

Has Neil Alexander got a face like a melted welly ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:46 COMMENT-BODY:I asked the question last night at half-time...When was the last time a Hoop scored a Hatrick against TFOD in Paradise...nobody new...

A. Stevie Chalmers in the 5-1 victory in 1966...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:47 COMMENT-BODY:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/scotland/7371944.stm

I think we should demand a fee fay chick -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:48 COMMENT-BODY:Abmucker, good post!

I revel in your right as an Irishman to wave the Tricolor, and would be surprised if you had any affinity for the Union Flag.

I meant that to take offense at the Union Flag and be surprised that others take offense at the Tricolor is inconsistent (maybe two-faced is too strong).

I think that the club's Keltic history is a great thing, and the Keltic ethos (for want of a better word) is one of the world's great 'movements'. Scotland is also part of Britain (for now!) and we use the British tag when it suits us (1st british team...) Would we join a British Premier League? I think that most of the Celtic support are British (legally), with a large proportion being of Irish descent. I don't think the Union flag is flown at Celtic Park. There's a Saltire & a Tricolor and a EU flag and a UEFA flag and a Celtic flag and the league flag. (It's possible that the Union Flag is right above my head at the corner of the north & west stands) Given all those flags I'd say the Union Flag is a statement by omission.

I'm not passionately anti Union, but I think Scotland would be better off on it's own. I can't compare it to religious hatred, and don't really know how we got there.

I say it myself, but it worries me when I hear Celts saying we are better than them. It sounds like something they would say! Them and us doesn't sound as inclusive as i know the club and its support to be.

As I said before, there's a lot of history, and I'm not blind to it.

When I travel in Europe with the club, there's a feeling of "let's show TFOD up by having exemplary behaviour". I think that's the way to win this argument in general.

All the best to everyone on here. I'm a wee bit uncomfortable with the subject, but really enjoy the debate.

/S -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

gweedorebhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:50 COMMENT-BODY:mick

Don't apologise Anyway who cares if some rag is flown what matters most is we fly the league championship flag next year.

All this talk of the butchers apron reminds me of after a game against fulham in london.

We met some great lads from the north and adjorned to a local hosterly. Seemed to be right next to a brit army barracks. I went to the bar and after fighting for 6 pints heard a loud chorus of "take it down from the mast".

i was walking back to the lads when all i saw was a fellow celt being chased by two army guys. Seems he climbed up the flag pole and replaced the butchers apron with the tri colour.

Was fantastic however it did get a bit out of hand when the butchers apron sort of vanished!

All ended well with the two brits walking off with celtic scarfs and resigned to the loss of their flag. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malone19 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:52 COMMENT-BODY:Is there not a body that you can report racism in football to?

Surely the vilifying of a person for celebrating their religion is to be considered racist in some form.

Had Zemama of Hibs been vilified in the way Boruc has for praying before or during a match there would be no way 'peepil' would get away with it.

But it's OK to hate Catholics.

The same applies for Rangers "go home" song. If they sang something similar to a support with a Jewish background about the holocaust what do you think the reaction would be?

Something has to be done because this will never change.

The anti-Catholic racism that is rife in the country can change, but only if the media play their part...

At the moment they are one of the causes not part of the solution.

Racism is a learned socialisation, Rangers fans have been 'programmed' to hate Irish/Catholics/Celtic/Tatties/green Pepperamis/Eggs Benedict etc. from birth - yes it's partly by their parents but it's also through the media.

You can't stop parents from being scum but you can stop the media. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 17:54 COMMENT-BODY:I don't see the similarities between Boruc wearing a GBTP t-shirt and the possibility of Alexander running around with a flag of the United Kingdom. On a basic level they both would be GIRUY gestures but they are also perfectly harmless symbols. It is what they symbolize which make those situations are vastly different.

Boruc’s gesture is him showing that he is proud of his faith. The reason why he feels compelled to do this is because of the abuse which he has received for being a Catholic: whether it is him getting cautioned by the police for having the temerity to bless himself while someone is calling him a f* b*, or by having banners ridiculing his religion. His actions were him taking a positive symbol in the image of the late Pope and using it in a manner which suggests he will not feel ashamed of his beliefs.

Alexander running around with a Union Jack flag would have a different message. It would be pandering to the crowds which sing such songs as “the famine’s over why don’t you go home?” It would be a symbol that says “we are the people and you are not welcome” basically. It takes up a more aggressive message in this situation than a Union Flag would do in normal situation, it would come across more like a BNP rally basically. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:01 COMMENT-BODY:Re; T-Shirt debate...

I'm just glad it wasn't Raining yesterday... Because a Wet T-Shirt Competition has no place at a Football Match...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:03 COMMENT-BODY:Macleye:

If Neil Alexander had been subjected to sustained religious abuse from our supporters, been issued with a police caution for a public expression of his religion, been yellow carded for waving in response to abuse, been rounded upon by the media in the country for the past 2 1/2 years and had then revealed a t-shirt with a simple expression of his faith, I would have said "Good on ye, son."

However, I think we are unlikely to be able to test that scenario in the foreseeable future. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:04 COMMENT-BODY:bhoy sean (1754),

In general I agree, but the problem is that we're infering intent in both cases. I'd like to see all explicitly racist / sectarian banners in stadia confiscated by the Police, and the singing of explicitly racist / sectarian songs punished at the individual and club level.

That'd be a hell of a start! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Fighting Irish COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:08 COMMENT-BODY:Gregory Campbell DUP Bigot is comparing the Holy Goalie's JP2 GBLP T-shirt with Andy Goram's armband for King Rat in the Irish News

BIGOT in the highest order -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:15 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:17 COMMENT-BODY:now that the dust has settled it has been reported in certain celtic circles, that we are one fewer in number following a celtic win yesterday.

without wishing to preempt reportage, but since we champion injustice on this site, what is the celtic community to say when because our football team won we have a fan murdered. (allegedly)

how sick this country they are covering the artur boruc tea shirt story, and some mother has lost a son. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGodfather COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:31 COMMENT-BODY:Why should Artur Boruc be villified for wearing a t-shirt of a fellow countryman, religious statesman and leader, a Time magazine man of the year and historically one of the most important men of his generation.

Why is it that in this depraved religious backwater a man can be villified for having a faith.

It is irrelevant whether the tshirt was a 'get it up you' or a wind up. It is a fact that being a Roman Catholic in Western Scotland is frowned upon.

'Artur Boruc - Voodoo no worky' receives no complaints. Up to our knees in fenian blood takes years to become unacceptable only to be replaced with Big Jock Knew?

Artur Boruc - Roman Catholic and Celtic Legend! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:37 COMMENT-BODY:inkybhoy,

Like hass bhoy I was watching Arthur when he came to the crowd ( I sit in the front row of the LL Upper). Artur threw his gloves into the crowd, folowed by his jersey. The t-shirt was underneath, although my eyesight is nowhere near good enough to have read it at the time.

The first I knew the full story was on the radio when I got back to my car. There was some debate about what it said and then Chic Young said somthing along the lines of:

"I'll tell you exactly what it said: God Bless the Pope. And its those who have an issue with that who are the ones with the problem." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:37 COMMENT-BODY:Ahem.....

"Thus, when his team-mates were doing their head-spinning laps of honour that day at Easter Road, where they had just beaten Hibernian, Andrews went to the centre spot and knelt down to pray. If his message needed translating, it was there on the T-shirt that was revealed underneath his discarded Rangers shirt, from St Luke’s gospel: “The things that are impossible with men are possible with God.”

Was there an investigation, anyone know? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:44 COMMENT-BODY:I am not surprised at the feigned outrage of Leckie and the Sun et al about Artur. There is no subject that produces more confused thinking and vaguer definitions than bigotry and sectarianism.

I ignore most of it but I was appalled by Nil By Mouth being inveigled into the condemnation, expressing the view that a football match was no place for expressing political or religious views and that Artur's motivation was unimportant as he has a responsibility not to inflame the flammable.

So, I have spent some time in courteous conversation with them seeking clarification of their thinking. I now need your help to clarify something.

In the course of my reply, NBM's spokesperson described Celtic FC as proclaiming themselves a "non-religious and non-political" organisation in their Social Mission Statement.

Now I did not recognise this phrasing and read the Mission statement on the official site. It makes no mention of being non-anything but makes great play of being inclusive and pro-many things.

Can anyone tell me if I am looking in the right place? Is there somewhere we have described ourselves as non-religious. If not why is NBM describing us as such? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malceye COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:45 COMMENT-BODY:I have engendered many a reply on the scenario of Neil Alexander. Now, would those very same folks be kind enough to respond to the following point which was also made earlier -

"In a match which has been acclaimed as the world's biggest derby game, where the rest of the world continues to pitch it as the Catholics versus the Protestants (look at any European football magazine), gimmicks such as that only serve to continue the myth that it is divided along such religious lines."

Serpent - as for "Celtic is not a Scottish club." Whit !??!
That is a disgraceful assertion and merely plays into the hands of the "why don't you go home" brigade. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieBhoy315 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:47 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,

Long-time lurker but first-time poster. Have to say that I thoroughly enjoy this site and appreciate how balanced the majority of views are, although things did get a bit silly a month or so ago with some of the personal duals. That said, I think we all (apart from Ed obviously, although sometimes I think he is wavering) have the same goals and passion for our club. In fact, it is not just a club, it is a family and a way of life I don’t think supporters of other clubs understand.

Although delighted with the result and the majority of the performances yesterday, my enjoyment was reduced because of a rather stupid incident where I was so annoyed with one of the referee’s decisions (although on reflection and not having seen the game again, I suspect we got more than they did, although it didn’t seem so at the time) that I sat down and slapped my thighs incessantly (as I didn’t think the guys around me would appreciate me taking it out on them). In doing so, my wedding ring came off, where it landed, I do not know. I am therefore appealing to you and others to highlight my plight (awkward, but honest admission to the wife last night) and to ask whether anyone came across it.

The ring itself is not particularly expensive, but has the obvious sentimental value. It is a plain gold wedding band and also has a date inscribed on the inside. I sit in block 445 in the North stand (level with the bye-line) and appeal to anyone out there who may have come across it. I did speak to the security office after the game, but they were as much use as a chocolate teapot. I’m also waiting for a call back from Celtic Park, after being plunged into the usual telephonic abyss that is the hotline to Celtic.

Any help would be very much appreciated – I’m sure you can all imagine how bad I’m feeling about this. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:47 COMMENT-BODY:Paul 67,
There are those who would say we are the lot from Hibernia also, the old roman name for Ireland if my memory serves mecorrectly.

Good to see the traditional songs again, very uplifting and heartening. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:49 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67,

RE The Sun

I did today. Was wanting to see the pictures and reporting from Murray's poodles. Plus Kelly Brook is back on the market after splitting up with Billy Zane:) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 18:53 COMMENT-BODY:setting free the bears,

"Celtic Football Club is for people who want to support a football club that strives for excellence in Scotland and in Europe, is proud of its history, supportive of its local community and seeks to support the following aims:

“To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind. To promote Celtic as a Club for all people, regardless of gender, age, religion, race or ability.”

The club has not described itself as non-religious, simply as for people of all religions, and I might add, none.

Being against sectarianism does not make you pro-religious, never mind an advocate of any particular religion.

You don't have to be Catholic to take offence at the Rangers' fans songs and slogans. It would be like saying you can't be anti-racist unless you are black.

Our problem is that the media has fostered an image of the "Bigot Brothers" as supporters of some clubs call us. Right minded people know that attacking Artur's religious views is wormg, but then both lots as bad as each other, aren't they? Everyone knows that' don't they"

The best way for us to disassociate ourselves from bigotry would be to ban the term O** F*** and refuse to take any part in any joint marketing or sponsorship deals. No more guilt by association. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:07 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye

I agree that it does somewhat perpetuate that myth a bit but I still wouldn't condemn the actions of Boruc. The myth that we're defined as a Catholic club has been wrongly forced upon us throughout our history and I don't believe that us as fans, the players, or staff should ever have to hide our beliefs through fear that it might give people the excuse to justify their image of us.

On a side note my only problem with that label is that it is incorrect, I see no problem with a club being a Catholic, Protestant or even a Jedi club etc as long as they have a positive rather than discriminatory philosophy.

My view is that if we were to stop our players from standing up for their religious background because we fear that we will be labelled a Catholic club then we would be suggesting there is something sinister with Catholicism. It would make us complicit in accepting bigotry just as the media have always done. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:07 COMMENT-BODY:StevieBhoy315...

There is something on Celtic Minded about a Ring being found...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

StevieBhoy315 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:19 COMMENT-BODY:o1bhoy,

Thanks for the tip. I have now registered and can see the topic type but cannot access it. Anyone help? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:20 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon J

Thanks for the back up. I cannot see any part of our website which describes us as non-religious. Yet that was the description given to Celtic by Nil By Mouth in their reply to me. They are people who dedicate themselves to studying and campaigning against sectarianism. I would expect them to be better informed and more careful in how they present themselves.

They provided a couple of supportive quotes to the Sun's "Pope on a Dope" headline. Ironic or what?

Seeing an inclusive outlook as being non-religious is typical of the muddled thinking around such subjects. No wonder that people think the view that politics and religion have no place in sport is not, in itself, a bigoted and tainted position.

We do not discriminate between positive affirmations of a person's faith and aggressive demeaning of another persons beliefs. They are all to be treated as suspicious.

Now, don't get me wrong, I find the continued invoking of God in U.S. golf interviews pretty tiresome but I do not expect to be indulged in my prejudice. I don't expect it to be censored to please me.

It seems that Nil By Mouth would see religious expression confined to one hour on a Sunday to spare the non-religious amongst us. That makes the agnostic and atheists out to be bigoted as we cannot tolerate diversity that includes religion or, to be more precise, faith that guides all aspects of your approach to life, sport not excepted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PANGUR BAN COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:23 COMMENT-BODY:I sit LL Lower and 4th row from front. Artur took his gloves and top off and through them into the crowd to reveal the GBTP tshirt. Now my take on it is he done this in front of his beloved fans not the vile sectarian mob and i think the tshirt was in relation to the fans singing Holy Goalie. At no point did he face the enemy but was celebrating in keeping our season alive and going 5 CLEAR -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tic Talk COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:24 COMMENT-BODY:Derby V Arsenal

HAIL! HAIL!
Stones are here! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PANGUR BAN COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:25 COMMENT-BODY:BAD SPELLING SHOULD HAVE BEEEN THREW. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:26 COMMENT-BODY:Stevie...

Ditto here you could E-mail the link on the Registration page...or

One of the Lhads on here might access it for you Best o Luck...

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One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:30 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye:

"In a match which has been acclaimed as the world's biggest derby game, where the rest of the world continues to pitch it as the Catholics versus the Protestants (look at any European football magazine), gimmicks such as that only serve to continue the myth that it is divided along such religious lines."

Malceye: What Boruc has done is highlight the fact that the match IS divided along religious lines - the rabid Anti-Catholics vs the rest.

Now, given that you used the example of Neil Alexander, whose experience has in no way been comparable to that of Boruc, would you care to try again and come up with ANYONE in Scottish football who has endured the abuse directed at Boruc from so many sides (and who wasn't a Catholic)? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smelltheglove COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:32 COMMENT-BODY:Does anyone actually know what the Novo tattoo is? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

locharbriggs_bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:32 COMMENT-BODY:I don't believe that Artur should have worn the T-Shirt. It was not offensive. Footballers, however, do not know where to stop and next thing you know the T-Shirts would be more and more outrageous. Wear a strip and that's all.

It is more of an issue that Artur gets booked and warned not to bless himself as it seems he is being picked on. You watch every time Benjy comes on for Hibs and he does the Islamic blessing where he touches his lips and his forehead. Never heard Wishart asking him to do that in the tunnel.

Either ban everyone or no-one.

Can you imagine the uproar if they tried to impose that on foreign teams coming to play in Scotland ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:33 COMMENT-BODY:PANGUR BAN

The slant which you took on the Boruc incident is different from the one which most have taken it (including me) and I think you're right. I took it to be a wind up from Boruc which isn't inconceivable since he doesn't mind a bit of banter but now you have said that it does seem more logical that his t-shirt is a nod to the Holy Goalie song which really does make it ridiculous that it has court any controversy at all. You are right to point out that he didn't go over to the Rangers fans wearing the t shirt. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tic Talk COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:33 COMMENT-BODY:Artur was in the wrong in that he broke UEFA rules concerning slogans on t-shirt.He was not wrong in any other way.If his intention was to rile rangers `fans`then it only worked against those who watched on TV or read about it in the media. Unless some opposition `fans` were in with Celtic fans, it would have been impossible for any of them to read it.Regardless,I feel as many of us as possible should make some representation to UEFA regarding the obnoxious `Famine` song.
That, I hope, is my last word on the matter; I want to continue enjoying the victory `till 12.30 Saturdat when I will be nervous again for the duration of the match. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:34 COMMENT-BODY:one star,
gordon strachan -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PANGUR BAN COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:39 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoy Sean, I havent seen it on the box yesterday but thats all he did was salute his beloved fans also why has nothing been mentioned of wee fat coisty gesturing to the main stand.Only saw him making the main stand go in an uproar can anyone shed any light -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:39 COMMENT-BODY:I say wind them up and irritate them as much as you can, but within the confines of the law and common decency.

The best way, of course, is just to keep humping their team on the field.

Cmon the hoops! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:40 COMMENT-BODY:stg

I believe it says

"remember no tae bless yoursel' at Ibrox, Ignatius"

Being a knuckledragger, he has the require arm space for that length of message. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:40 COMMENT-BODY:Malceye...my statement was hardly disgraceful...this is nit-picking and pedantic but let me repost what I said as I suspect you have deliberately misconstrued it by ommitting the context...

"Celtic is not a Scottish club.

At the very least we have a dual identity and that is what makes us special. Billy McNeil has described Celtic as "an Irish club in Scotland". Where did Jock Stein ever say insinuate that this element was to be ignored?

I'm sure Brother Walfrid would view us as more than just a Scottish club."

As you are aware, I am saying that Celtic is not a Scottish club. It is not as simple as that. We are a Scottish-Irish club; an Irish club in Scotland; a Scottish club with Irish roots...however you want to phrase it.

It is a fact that we are not a Scottish club in the sense that Aberdeen or Dunfermline or anyone else is a Scottish club.

In a manouevre rather reminiscent of a red-top printing part of a quote without the necessary context, you merely posted that I said "Celtic is not a Scottish club" without adding my qualification, thus making it appear that I had denied the Scottish element altogether.

Tabloid sensationalism at its best (should that be worst?), my friend.

Celtic is not a Scottish club...it is much more.

Also, you didn't respond to my earlier question regarding your assertion about Jock Stein. How do you know his thoughts on the matter?

ST -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:41 COMMENT-BODY:canamalar: Gordon Strachan has been abused from the stands, the police, and SFA for displaying his religion? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dennis 47 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:42 COMMENT-BODY:About Alexander in a Rule Britannia tee shirt. I would not bat an eyelid either, but it does, I feel, make a difference that Artur wore his tee shirt at our place. Alexander, or any other of them, can surely do that sort of thin at Ibrox.
I hope the SPL or whoever really go for it. They'll make such a holy show of themselves. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

inkybhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:44 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon J

As I said, the TV only showed it after it was out, no way of knowing if he had it on or got it later...

THE POINT BEING..

It is not a sectarian slogan or shirt.
The only people likely to get offended by it are the kind that like banging Lambeg drums outside chapels on First Communion day.

I think that Artur may have been showing some appreciation of the supporters who gave him the Holy Goalie song, a song he loves.

Interesting wee story on the whole Polish/Catholic/Celtic/Rangers type thang.....

Years ago a friend of mine, who went to the local non-denominational secondary school, was a huge Celtic fan, and still is a huge Celtic fan.

His family were originally Polish and he had a Polish surname, BUT they were not Catholic. They didn't practise any religion.

During PE at the school, while most of the other kids would have Rangers strips on, my mate would wear a T-shirt with the names and pictures of his three favourites Poles...one being John Paul II, the others being Jackie Djakinowski and Darius Dzubcek (Apologies for the spelling but it is a wee while ago).

You can't buy that kind of support......

STANDING UP -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Historyreader COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:45 COMMENT-BODY:SFTB 18.44

Celtic's Social Charter sits under corporate tab on the Celtic website. I think the Social Charter dates from Fergus McCann first year in business. Weren't Not The View involved with putting this together?

It has a section labelled "Bringing people together" which includes

Bringing People Together

The best that Celtic stands for is promoting health and well-being, understanding and positive social integration.

Celtic began in part as a way of using sport to bridge cultures between Scotland and Ireland. Celtic continues to seek ways to bring people together and create understanding.

Celtic has always been open to all. Several times in Celtic's history moves had been made to limit who can play for the Club. However the Club has always taken the decision to be open to all.

Celtic are proud of our Irish roots. The Club flies the Irish Tricolour on Match Days to mark our Irish heritage. Celtic's identity has been shaped as a Scottish Club with Irish roots. Celtic continues to honour this heritage in a variety of ways. Our many Irish fans show that our Irishness is not just something from the past.

The name Celtic was chosen as representing a common link between the Irish and Scottish cultures. Our founders were keen that Celtic Football Club would permit young people from the Catholic community in Scotland to be able to have sporting success as away of making their mark in Scotland and as a vehicle to show their achievement and worth.

The greatest Celt of all, Jock Stein, liked the Club and liked the people he worked with. Jock, like many other great Celts, came from a background which did not share Celtic's Irish culture. However Jock shared the same social background as the fans, and he viewed the fans as the lifeblood of the game.

Jock was always aware of the importance of Celtic's reputation and jealously guarded it. On one occasion Jock waded into the crowd at a game against Stirling Albion to tell fans to stop singing songs about politics in Ireland. He said these fans were "wreckers". Celtic Football Club believe that the way to support the ideals linked to Celtic is to sing songs in support of the football team and what it stands for.

Action to be taken
Celtic will act as a medium for promoting health and well-being. Celtic will support initiatives that offer hope to those affected by the scourge of drug misuse

Celtic will encourage positive links between the education sector and the Club through our Match Day Visit programme.

Celtic will act to expand links with Scottish schools to support learning in the areas of sport, health, social issues and personal and social development.
Celtic will act to promote positive social integration in partnership with others in schemes that bring people together to share positive values associated with the best in football.

Celtic will support schemes that seek to create bridges between different cultures and sectors of society within Ireland and Scotland.

Celtic aims to support schemes in Northern Ireland that have as their aim the building of bridges between different communities.

Celtic aims to promote schemes that enhance cooperation between communities in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

brenlox COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:47 COMMENT-BODY:Hello All,

Couldn't give a toss what the huns or the media say about the The big man. The most important issue yesterday was for us to win. And win we did.

Nuff said.

By the way if we win this league I will need about a week off.
Hail Hail. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:50 COMMENT-BODY:one star, you referred to the neil alexander analogy and I took it you were looking for further analogies, not necessarily along religous lines, as I dont think that was along religous lines. However I believe GS has been abused in a similar manner to AB, but just without religon. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:51 COMMENT-BODY:NON Story !

If rangers had won we would have had the back pages and inner 3 pages on the wonderful r*ngers, on watties hoo doo, only swallys joy and mini me's masterplan defection. As their collective bottles are wobblin they stick Boruc on the back page rather than give us the praise we deserve. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smelltheglove COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:52 COMMENT-BODY:Does anyone know the problem between skippy and mick? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:53 COMMENT-BODY:History Reader

Thanks again. that's the bit i read earlier and it includes statements I can support.

At no point does it describe Celtic as Non-religious or non-political. Yet Nil By Mouth have chosen to defend their condemnation of Artur on that ground.

Jock may have had issues with fans singing at the heights of The Troubles but I don't think he'd have stopped anyone from blessing the Pope. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mick COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:55 COMMENT-BODY:Derek Ferguson on hun tv

I don't know what this negative football is, rangers played really well and were unlucky not to lose.

re:goals for Celtic

1st goal definitely offside

2nd goal lucky deflection

3rd goal soft pen I don't think it was one

JVoH that was assault should have walked. Whittaker never a red card

Fair and unbiased summary from derek -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dennis 47 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:56 COMMENT-BODY:Parkheadcumsalford,
Yes I clearly saw the unbookable Barry glare contemptuously at the ref and mouth an obscenity. There's no way he did not see - if not hear - it.
One journalist today described Ferguson as unremittingly cantankerous. He failed to mention the Rangers captain's apparent immunity from discipline. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:57 COMMENT-BODY:stg

They had a big fall out about who hated nacho most.

Honestly, young footballers squabbling and fighting is a dog bites man story. It is of no importance.

We have a fascination for training ground gossip way out of proportion to its importance. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:58 COMMENT-BODY:Has anyone stopped to consider that Artur might genuinely wear this T-shirt for hi sown reasons?

Robert Kubica has a reference to Pope JPII on his F1 helmet every time he races. Is that allowed or might it cause offence? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:58 COMMENT-BODY:I said in the early afternoon that there was only short note about Boruc T-shirt in the Polish media. Now information about SFA waiting for the report makes the diference. Some of our media are looking for more details.
Good job Rangers. Keep it going. Artur will stay untill the end of his life with Celtic.
I'm off to see Fabianski's debut for Arsenal.

Paul :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Historyreader COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:00 COMMENT-BODY:SFTB

There is another section in the Social Charter about Caltic being open to all. It reads
Being Open To All

The best that Celtic stands for is an inclusive organisation being open to all regardless of age, sex, race, religion or disability.

Celtic has always been a Club willing to offer a welcome to all.

Action to be taken
Celtic acts as an inclusive organisation being open to all regardless of age, sex, religion, race or ability.
Celtic offers a welcome to all who come to Celtic Park and asks that they conduct themselves in a manner which reflects well on themselves and on Celtic.

Celtic aims to improve the conditions in which fans watch and participate in order to maximise the enjoyment of individuals and the crowd attending games as Celtic supporters. The Club seeks to provide a quality service for all its customers.
Celtic will adopt an equal opportunities policy in the areas of employment and service provision.
Celtic will aim to increase the attendance of children at football and aim to promote their participation in sport through a variety of activities. Celtic will aim to have close links with education authorities, schools and community groups through our Match Day Visits.

Celtic will act against racism and sectarianism in any form. Celtic will not tolerate actions and language that seek to promote racism and sectarianism. Celtic aims to support the guidelines issued by the Commission for Racial Equality.
Celtic aims to positively respond to the needs of all supporters to ensure that all fans are enabled to overcome any barriers to their participation in support of the Club. Celtic will consult with supporters with disabilities, sensory impairment or learning difficulties to ensure that the Club meets their needs as supporters.

Celtic will be pleased to work together with all organisations and bodies that share such aims for football. The Club will consult with employees, shareholders, supporters and supporters’ representatives to ensure that all share the aims of Celtic’s Social Charter. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:00 COMMENT-BODY:At 28/04/08 18:47, StevieBhoy315 said…

Steviebhoy, there was a post on celticminded that someone found a wedding ring. I'll see if i can find it and post the details. Hope its yours or else your in **** for the rest of your life -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:03 COMMENT-BODY:Derek whyte
Member

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 70
found a wedding ring at the game
as above, north west upper 445 row u seat 16 found it after the
second goal for celtic if who ever lost it can tell me what's
ingraved inside the ring i'll make arangements to return it .

from celticminded

Someone else has mentioned on the thread about seeing your post and the guy has said to ask what was engraved inside.

If you want to pm me i can pm him and see if i can pass on your details. Or email me on signup@netmadeira.com -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Historyreader COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:04 COMMENT-BODY:Just to finish off almost posting all of the Social Charter. Obviously for some Celtic fans "devoted encouragement" and "faithful support" doesn't stretch to Gordon Strachan's team.

Renowned Qualities of Our Supporters

The best that Celtic stands for is the renowned qualities of its supporters and their relationship with the Club.

Celtic fans are renowned wherever they travel for their passion and love for the game of football. In addition when the fans carry with honour the image and colours of the Club they act in a way that brings credit to Celtic and reflects well on the good name of the fans and the Club.

Action to be taken

The supporters, the Club and its owners have high expectations for the team on the field and a high regard for the fans.

The management and employees of the Club aim to provide the best quality service to the fans and aim to live up to their expectations for success for the Club. The Club should continue to improve the service it provides to its customers.

Celtic will continue to listen to and respect the advice and opinions of its supporters and endeavour to consult and communicate with the fans.

The fans play a vital part in ensuring the success of Celtic Football Club. The fans inspire the team and contribute to the Celtic spirit.

The Celtic spirit among the fans means devoted encouragement and faithful support for the team. Celtic fans know the history of the Club and are committed to the ideals associated with the founding of the Club.

Celtic asks all fans to ensure that they live up to best that Celtic stands for. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:04 COMMENT-BODY:Anybody now who was singing "Let the People Sing" before the game on Sunday. Was it charlie and the bhoys? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:04 COMMENT-BODY:One Star...

very good point...I'd forgotten about Robert Kubica. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:07 COMMENT-BODY:You can see the reference to JP11 here:###

http://img.interia.pl/motoryzacja/nimg/Kubica_swoim_debiucie_961526.JPG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:08 COMMENT-BODY:Thanks Inky @1709. When I meet said journo again I'll bring up the 'I voz only following orders'!!
Iquite like the guy but that story- put out on the front page- reeked of incitement to me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:08 COMMENT-BODY:"Celtic Football Club is a Scottish football club with proud Irish links."

Says it all really. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Benjy Bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:11 COMMENT-BODY:My understanding of 'bouncy bouncy' is that it imitates the actions of loyalist thugs that killed a guy during the troubles by stamping on his head? Is this true? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:14 COMMENT-BODY:blog broke again ?? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mymum'scousin COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:14 COMMENT-BODY:Hmmmm, not so sure about all this. I know I'm going to annoy a few fellow fans here, but i am pretty uncomfortable with the t-shirt, and indeed, singing pretty foul songs about Nacho Novo's premature demise to the tune of a favourite hymn of mine.

I'd rather keep religion out of it altogether. Otherwise, we lower ourselves to that lot's heinously low level.

I've also had a bit of an issue with Artur blessing himself on occasion in front of them the way he has done a few times. I know he always does it and has every right to do so. I just think, if we're being 100% honest here, he uses it a bit against the FODs. At mass on Sunday, the priest (Father Speedy Gonzalez at St Ninians, Knightswood 30 mins guaranteed btw!) said the 2 most important commandments are love the lord your god, and love your enemy. Some of this doesn't fit somehow.

Hell, even as I write this I can feel the replies coming. I'm genuinely not trying to wind anyone up - yesterday was a great confidence boost and victory. Just before half-time I would have done anything to stop that bl00dy bouncy nonsense. We did just that in the best way possible - on the park. Sent them homewards to think again. But I do think Artur uses his (and my) religion as a weapon to counter the bile he receives each week. I think if Alexander did have a t-shirt saying 'God save the Queen' (or God save The Moderator to be precise!) there would be serious repercussions from us. I hate to think what might have happened if we lost and he did that.

We do suffer from racism, we do suffer from sectarianism. I just think there is a way of dealing with it that shouldn't involve using religious figures, symbols, songs or whatever. We have UEFA, we have Brussels (and we've so far come out rather well with those bodies in my opinion - the tides are changing - of course a lot of this bile still exists (I wouldn't deny that for one nano-second) I'm just saying we have a part to play in it all as well.

Some of that comes from what is perceived to be our lack of willingness to let go of our Irish foundations. I am very proud that all my grandparents are Irish, but I also want to be part of a progressive Scottish society. People move on, times move on, and yes, we should never lose that part of our identity. But perhaps we have a bigger part to play in all this than we think? It's time to use the head. Use examples, not to cry wolf at absolutely everything, pick our moment, and make strong, strong arguements that are impossible to argue against. E.g Back Tartan Day in New York, and then say we're looking forward to all the Glaswegian/Scottish politicians from across the spectrum coming out for St Patrick's Day for the many thousand people of Irish descent in this our (relatively new) home.

Remember, we are not a Roman Catholic club, we are a club for ALL religions or those with no religion. (Only one club had a religious issue for so long, let's keep it that way.)

To the game - 3 points. 9 more please. Paul, you've read my mind a cupla times over the past week. First was to point out the apostrophe mistake in that Rankers banner. Corker. Second was the 'second-hand' celebrations of non goal-scoring players of late. I actually noticed it a week before the Skippy one you aluded to. I think it was the Aberdeen game. Bobo, Wilson, Mick (obviously), Hartley (obviously) and one or 2 others punched the air like it REALLY meant something to them. For me, that has been the most significant shift over the past while. It's like our players are beginning to 'get it' what it takes and what it means to play in the hoops.

Finally, to that McGrory banner - told the old dear, she was delighted!

There's too much bile out there people, let's keep a bit of perspective. They are our biggest rivals and probably always will be, so by all means have a right good pop at them, and support anyone playing against them, but let's do it in the spirit of the great club we love, and keep religion out of it.

Forza Firenze! Mon the Hibs! Mon the Doonhammers!

Well done to all those who kept supporting the players and manager during the recent monthus horribulus, when we were sinking a bit. Keep up the good work fellas.

(Almost bought some old media today for the first time in 2 years. Almost.)

MMC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:16 COMMENT-BODY:Benjy Bhoy on bouncy

Dont think so, I think it predated the ireland thing, although it is said those resposible did the bouncy as bravado. Not one r*ngers fan I know had heard of the link. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:18 COMMENT-BODY:mums cousin

I havent heard the novo song but if the lyrics are to do with what I have read on another blog then we should self police this song into extinction b4 it grabs any real hold. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malone19 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:22 COMMENT-BODY:Benjy Bhoy

I've heard various angles... one was of the killing of the young man in Coatbridge, maybe the song pre-dates this, I'm not sure. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dubaibhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:25 COMMENT-BODY:emdy fancy a songs debate? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:26 COMMENT-BODY:MMC

Agree about the Novo chant. It's embarassing.

ST -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Parkheadcumsalford COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:27 COMMENT-BODY:Dear one and all,

I have just discovered a great music stream (is that the word):Lastfm. It was pure opporchancity. But I have just been listening for the last hour to the likes of Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, Perry Como, Tony Bennet (when our bus was returning from games years ago, one guy would always sing I left my heart in San Francisco) and the Unforgettable Nat King Cole. Sheer bliss. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:28 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin, I disagree with you on the Boruc issue but I agree with you on the Novo issue. I haven't heard the song you are talking about but I have heard plenty of abuse aimed towards him which has been pretty unpleasant. While Novo is a horrible person I think wishing harm upon another individual should never be tolerated. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:29 COMMENT-BODY:Passed by Hillary's step yesterday...

Still a bit to go, but the summit is reachable.

We are finding oh so many ways to talk about them and so few to talk about us. Whereas the televisual press have it this way...

Dougie Vipond - Rangers respond from a setback to prepare for one of the biggest nights in their history...

No mention of us and our lead - our official on the board lead.

let's put this to bed and re-talk, re-hash another humping of the huns on a gloriously sunny day - -which someone made reference to yesterday early on...

Walter Smith thought his team terribly unlucky, actually to come away with nothing from the game...

Comments please?

UMC3GL -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malone19 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:31 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin

"but I also want to be part of a progressive Scottish society. People move on, times move on"

You are kidding right? This is Scotland we're talking about! The only way people will sit up and listen is if it's forced upon them, hundreds of years of anti-Catholicism hasn't changed it's just been covered up.

Scotland needs its Artur Borucs if it is to change the insular and discriminatory society which we have at present.

Yes, he probably done it to get it up them.

Yes, it may have caused a hissy-fit by the Rangers supports/media

But it is a positive thing in that it highlights just how much hatred they have for the Catholic body.

I ask again, what would the global reaction be if there was an outcry to someone for displaying their Muslim faith? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

stebhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:34 COMMENT-BODY:MMC , great post. Perspective, progressive and of celtic fc cutlure. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:35 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin

I too want to be part of a progressive Scottish society. Like Military Intelligence it is a good idea but an oxymoron at present.

Such a society would not want nor demand of me that I "let go" of my Irish foundations. It would not demand that Artur stop performing his affirming actions just because they are bigots.

I assure you I would not be offended if they wore GSTQ t-shirts or logos. I'm a republican but I do not burn my wages because her face is on it. We are bigger than that. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:40 COMMENT-BODY:sftb

I concur.

Pluralism and tolerance are the hallmarks of a progressive society.

ST -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:41 COMMENT-BODY:Helsingborg beating Malmo 3:2 with 10 minutes to go in tribute to our victory. Henrik's scored 2 of them in tribute to skippy.

malmo's scored by J. Johansson (Is it the one who played for them?)

Damn! Helsingborg just scored a 4th from the penalty spot and Henrik did not take it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:42 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mymum'scousin COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:45 COMMENT-BODY:M19

Look, I know what I wrote looks a bit weird all things considering. You are right, anti-Catholicism does exists in Scotland, and probably more so than any country in the planet. Let those who have that (major) issue deal with that. Let us not stoop to their level.

I just have a problem with Artur using two things which are very sacred to millions of people to 'get it up them.'

I like your posts, and I'm not going to labour this one, but if a muslim were to use a religious symbol to get it right up a crowd of Jews, then yes, I would say it was an incorrect use of his religion.

Bloody hell, you must think I think I'm a saint and seriously pompous. I'm very far from that! I just think there is a line to draw on religion in our game.

Bhoy Sean - that's the good thing about this site - you disagree with me on the Boruc thing, but are cordial about it. The way arguments/discussions should be among fellow fans. Agree on Numpty. He's a wee nyaff. Tried (and failed) to love that particular enemy on Sunday evening!

Still, we beat them on the park - that was enough for me! Still have sore cheeks from smiling for last 36 hours.

Nae bread, agree.

8 points clear by Sunday would be a nice wee Brucey!

Mon the hoops!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Benjy Bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:46 COMMENT-BODY:I'm pretty sure the bouncy bouncy thing only started about 10-years ago? I also seem to remember Gerry McNee mentioning its origins (bouncing / stamping on the republican victim until he died)in an article about the same time. This is important to me ....... can anyone help? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:47 COMMENT-BODY:Having been cautioned nice word by the CPS for blessing himself wheras in this season Captain Rangers cant get cautioned by the SFA for anything. It Artur Boruc took that t-shirt off in any European country part from Scotland and N.I nobody would have batted an eyelid. Which made me think what would John Paul II himself have thought about it?

"Amongst all unimportant subjects, football is by far the most important. - Pope John Paul II"

This seems like an appropriate time to recall this old one.

At 06/11/05 20:35, Blogger Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo said…

St Anthony,

was the 0.3 gubbing of Dundee utd not in the early eighties (81). If it is I remember it well as I had an exam the next day at school and got a scolding from my mother due to me attending the game covertly. She even went as far as blaming me for the Celtic capitulation.In fact I have still to pull her up about that one :-)

Willie Pettigrew scored a hattrick right ?

When I was at that game Pope John Paul had just announced his papal visit to Britain the following year and the news had came out that evening that he would recognise Scotland as a seperate country and would kiss the ground when he landed.

I was standing in the jungle right next to a very old fan during the game. The Celtic fans were singing "The Popes coming over, oh well the popes coming ovvvverrr" to the tune of theirs only one da da da da. The crescendo became more deafeaning with each Pettigrew goal. When the third goal went in and the jungle was going absolutely ap*s*t with this chant the old guy turned round to me and said; "The Popes coming over is he ?", "yes" I replied, "great news that he's going to recognise us a seperate country" I added proudly, "Well" he said "I hope he's a effing! good player"

and there endeth the lesson for today.

Hail Hail

I passed the exam btw :-)

God Bless The Hoalie Goalies -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

miller1960 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:50 COMMENT-BODY:Hi everyone,

Thoroughly enjoyed the game yesterday. Nice to see the good ghuys getting a break from the referees for a change. Regarding quality tunes here is an absolute peach. Dinah

Miller -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:50 COMMENT-BODY:As an atheist I would be quite happy if religion was kept to one hour in the mosque/ church/ chapel/ etc. of choice on a Friday/ Saturday/ Sunday (delete as appropriate).

But I recognise the right of others to make a positive expression of their beliefs in the manner of their chosing.

Artur chooses, as do thousands of other sportsmen, to do so by crossing himself. This is his right. Why is it only an issue in Scotland? I have never heard this practice even mentioned in any other footballing country.

If anyone really fails to see the difference between the positive expression of faith and the negative, sectarian bile that eminates from our opponents' fans then I dispair. Theirs is an anti-culture which the media and the footballing authorities in this country refuse to tackle.

No more O** F***. No more guilt by association. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:51 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin

There is no need to degrade ourselves by wishing harm on Novo all we have to do is beat Rangers. He is clearly someone who hates losing to us so by simply beating him at the beautiful game we know is hurting deep. No harm at laughing at him as well -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

miller1960 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:55 COMMENT-BODY:Personally I think that in this day and age you should be able to wear whatever you want walk wherever you want say whatever you want and do whatever you want without living in fear of repercussions. All of the uproar in the papers and radio media over a t-shirt. I may be naive but aren't there much more important news stories going on in the world than what happens in Glasgow on a Sunday afternoon? As for Novo we may not like him but sometimes it would be grand to have someone like him in the team. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

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Yer pal....who is jist trying tae help....if ye wull let me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 20:59 COMMENT-BODY:Dr. kojo

Does it need to be holy water? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mymum'scousin COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:01 COMMENT-BODY:Miller - maybe that's why I don't like him so much.... the wee nyaff has a habit of scoring timely goals....

Gordon, agree with everything you said, and you are of course correct. However, I still think the manner in which he (sometimes, not always) does it against them is designed to wind them up, which is my original point. Blessing himself is not the issue. Reminds me of Peter Pointer all those years ago. Loved the guy, but used to wince a bit when he got down on his knees in front of them.... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

patnevinspen COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:03 COMMENT-BODY:Just listened to radio Scotland's discussion on the holy goalie and now I'm so glad he did what he did.

He's highlighting a big problem in this country and they don't like it.

In fact, I'm wondering if they even see it! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:03 COMMENT-BODY:Gordon_j

Re: Carlings Starlings

"Football shouldn't become submerged by financial interests. It ought to be more about the excellence of performing than about possession"

- John Paul II -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:04 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear,dear... friend... Setting Free the Bears..

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Kojo.
yer pal...who likes ye. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:05 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin

BTW your mum's a big brute of a Centre Forward.

Are you able to detect some subtle change in the way that Artur blesses himself against Rangers that alters it from the format used against every other team he plays against? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dharma Bam COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:05 COMMENT-BODY:Good Evening

No longer high as a kite! Merely Cloud 9!

Sorry to hark back to walter Smith's outburst regarding Rangers' games against Celtic being scheduled to Celtic's advantage; has he not stopped to consider he has a more rested player in Cuellar ahead of the Fiorentina match thanks to his suspension in the match against Celtic? Should he not be thanking us for this or at the very least taking this as a positive? A man in his situation should try to keep as positive as possible...

Also, it may well have been raised before as I am unable to read all the comments (not by choice - don't have the time or opportunity). Would Rangers not have had to agree to the rescheduled dates for the games against Celtic? Wouldn't the SFA/SPL have acted as "facilitators" in this situation, in the same as Rangers asked Gretna via the SFA/SPL to agree to postponing their match to allow Rangers toprepoare for the Lyon game? In which case, if true, does it mean Smith is being kept in the dark by others within Ibrox? Or does he really not know his head from his elbow?

WG - "underwater Moonlight...and how it got there" is awaiting delivery. lookng forward to it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:07 COMMENT-BODY:kojo is there not a danger of over hydration, cause I like your idea.
cheers -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:17 COMMENT-BODY:Mymum'scousin

Seriously, I do not pay much attention to Artur's pre-match ritual.

Could you describe to me what you have noticed that is different in the games against them? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:17 COMMENT-BODY:I promised I wouldn´t dissect it but when Harlem Twist had his tantrum and came out with the line about us knowingly scheduling our DERBY games against them to coincide with their UC semi final. I tell you being the conspiracy theorist that I am, when I read that it made me feel a whole lot better. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:20 COMMENT-BODY:"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done. . . I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it." (Isaiah 46:9-11)

could it be?

possibly?

3 g l

Threegl

III games left

What a weekend -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smelltheglove COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:25 COMMENT-BODY:The Novo song is despicable.This kind of hatred should have no place at celtic park, or anywhere for that matter

Youtube has a video of it for those of havent heard it, tho i have already flagged it as offensive. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:27 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo,

What is the problem between Super Mac and Weak Link Mick as highlighted at the celebration of the 2nd goal.

Super Mac getting peeved that Mick blaming and getting on to people rather looking at himself sometimes?

Anybody notice on the re run of Barry Robson indicating he was finished and Paul Hartely and Gary Caldwell telling him to go off as he's injured.

Think Barry Robson made the decision for him. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

druiddude COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:30 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:32 COMMENT-BODY:MMC: With you on any chants such as those aimed at Novo but I am totally with Boruc.

I am sick and tired of putting up with abuse of my religion and abuse of my family's national heritage.

I am sick and tired of taking the "dignified silence" approach which is tantamount to sitting in the stocks smiling and consoling ourselves that those who throw things demean themselves more than us.

Celtic might not be an Irish or Catholic club but it is the only major institution in this bigoted little land where Catholics and the Irish find freedom of expression.

After 120 years, Celtic, our fans and our players are still abused due to the perceptions that we are Catholics and Irish and therefore to be shunned, attacked and ridiculed.

There was a time when I berated players who used the sign of the cross as a taunt. Even Davie Hay, to his shame, said Celtic players shouldn't do it. What was the result? 20 years later, you could still be reported to the police for daring to do so at Ibrox Park and cautioned.

Well, in my opinion, it's time to stand up and I for one will be eternally grateful to Boruc for having old-fashioned balls.

Confront racism, we are told, reject discrimination. Instead we are preached to that if we object or are offended WE have a problem.

A Polish Catholic who has endured what Boru has wearing a T-shirt honouring the Polish late Pope is only a provocation to those driven by hatred.

I'm proud of Artur Boruc. I really am. Someone mentioned Rosa Parks - have you any idea how many people thought she should have just stood up on that bus instead of being a trouble-maker? The "good" blacks had been given all sorts of consideration for not making a fusee up to that point, hadn't they?

A lot of people were hugely concerned by Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the Olympics 40 years ago.

Others were moved by one gesture that showed people without fear, standing up for themselves and their people. Suddenly, for the first time in my life in this country, I almost know how they felt. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Mymum'scousin COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:33 COMMENT-BODY:SFTB

I didn't really want to go into this too much - I'll be hounded out of CQN if I'm not careful. Neither do I pay much attention, it was some time ago the instance I remember and I have no idea how he does it today.

Let me be 100% clear - there is nothing wrong with blessing yourself, in my opinion, on the football field. If he is entirely innocent of a wind-up in the past, then I have wronged him for mentioning this.

One more 'serious' point - my fear is the t-shirt incident may have been a 'final pop' at them. I hope not. He's a great keeper. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:34 COMMENT-BODY:Benjy Bhoy

The incident you're thinking of was the murder of Robert Hamill, a lad from Portadown.

He was walking home from the town with three friends and a mob set upon him.

There is an official inquiry into this because a police patrol sat and watched the group of sectarian thugs kill him. Among the things they did to him was The Bouncy.

Edward Ursus has assured me that Rangers fans were doing The Bouncy before this, which I have no doubt is true. But this demonstration of their exuberance is totally tainted by what happened to that poor young lad.

The anniversary of his death was yesterday. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:36 COMMENT-BODY:i think religion has no place in society never mind football, but each and everyone of us has the right to practice, or not, whatever religion we see fit and i can see why people would find it useful in their lives.

however i think on this occassion Artur has dropped a major clanger.

instead of focusing on how rangers are crumbling under the pressure and losing players ad nauseum, all everyone is talking about is Arturs t-shirt. the big man has cost us a superb opportunity to really turn the screw and apply some real pressure at an absolutely vital time of the season.

aside from the rights and wrongs of the matter, he must surely have known the impact this would have. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:37 COMMENT-BODY:On this day in 1909 Jimmy Quinn scored his scored hat trick in 3 days when Celtic beat Queens Park 5-0 at Hampden in the League.

How's this for a fixture pile up?

April 17 Rangers ("Riot" Scottish cup Final) 1-1
April 19 Hearts (A) 2-1
April 21 Hamilton (H)1-1
April 22 Morton (H) 5-1
April 24 Airdrie (H) 0-0
April 26 Motherwell (H) 4-0 (Quinn 3)
April 28 Queens Park (A) 5-0 (Quinn 3)
April 29 Hibernian (A) 0-1
April 30 Hamilton (A) 2-1

Celtic still won the League by one point from Dundee.

Pablo... just seen your post from the other day. Thank you very much for the kind words.

Regards,

Gordon. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:39 COMMENT-BODY:Druiddude

I'm surprised that someone as knowledgeable on these matters as you has posted as you just have.

First, as others have pointed out, demonstrations of the affections of Polish people for Pope John Paul II will go on for ever.

Second, the campaign to beatify the Polish Pontiff is in full swing, not least in Poland, which as you know means lots of exhibitions of devotion to him.

Third, to link Pope Benedict XVI to the Nazis in such a glib way is to do the devil's work for him. See the earlier post today from DBBIA for reference.

Sorry to submit a negative post for a CQNer for whom I have the highest regard and with whom I have always enjoyed debating matters spiritual.

Yours in Celtic

Celtic First -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:39 COMMENT-BODY:I think most people seem to forget that Polish people were very proud that one of ther own was made Pope. He was such a hero and inspiration to them and they adored him.

Problem is many people in this country are ignorant to that fact and only want to look through the bitter and twisted side.

Problem is Catholics are a minority in this country and always will be. They are sneered upon.

Our media always seem to take the easy way out and fail to highlight this and the easy way is to jump on the bandwagon. No one wants to break the ranks incase they open a can of worms.

Our banner last week was superb "Scotland Shame". Maybe besides highlighting Rangers fans we might want to have one hanging from the press box as well. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:42 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First/Benjy Bhoy: I'm sure I heard references to the Bouncy-bouncy years before Robert Hammill's murder.

Whether or not Rangers fans now add "on the Fenian's head" to their song, I don't know.

It does, however, still seem to easy to get yourself murdered for being a Catholic or Celtic supporter in some parts of the UK.

Incidentally, some Irish media reported that the Linfield fans who attacked the lad a couple of weeks ago were in the British army and had been tracked by CCTV for some time before they found their victim. Strangely, the inaction of the police force seems to be a feature again. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:44 COMMENT-BODY:Sir J Stein

Either people have the right to practise their religion and it is useful or it has no place in society. You contradict yourself.

Also, which T-shirt Artur Boruc wore yesterday, today and next Tuesday does nothing to relieve Rangers from the pressure they are under.

This is not a media campaign. They are under pressure to win their matches with a tired and depleted squad. Artur's sartorial choices do nothing to change this. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:46 COMMENT-BODY:SERPENTS TONGUE

excellent post earlier this afternoon re anti catholicism in this country

those bigots spout a vile bigoted torrent against this man and he is the bad guy

the tabloids should be embarrassed with themselves playing to the dumb masses

this is a free country ...but not if your a Catholic Pole it seems

i had a row at the court with a PF today who said THG should have been charged with a BOP ....after a 10 min tirade ( i saw him coming ) he was left without a retort ....and i thought he was one of the enlightened huns

THG has really put it right up them -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:48 COMMENT-BODY:Welcome StevieBhoy315, let us know if that ring turns up.

Half and half, that was my wee joke.

Brenlox, 19:47, I couldn’t agree more.

Mymum’scousin, pleased to hear that.

Alas, the bard would have erred if he used that language on Celtic Quick News; deleted.

Gordon, they don’t pile them up like they used to. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

malone19 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:49 COMMENT-BODY:WGS

I read somewhere a while back that due to the influx of Poles in Scotland that Catholicism is now the main religion, not sure if it's true and if it is would probably be due to the high % of atheists but regardless it's definitely not Catholics who are 'in power'.

I suggested last week that the "Scotland's Shame" banner be moved to the press box... does anyone know why it wasn't present at all on Sunday? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Benjy Bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:51 COMMENT-BODY:Thanks to those who kindly provided their feedback on 'bouncy bouncy' origins. I put this into google: 'Robert Hamill, a lad from Portadown' and their is lots of stuff about this unfortunate incident.
Terrible tragedy.
On the Holie Goalie - I feel we've scored an own goal here, instead of a rubbing their noses in it, we've given them an excuse to accuse us of sectarianism, sorry big man I think you are a great keeper but a bit of a twat. How can we defend this in the pub?
Cadwell - excellent, Naka in the last 20-mins was good too, Skippy -tremendous, Big Mick, he needs a rest.
Visited BB's on Sunday after game -I'll be back!
If anyone has any definative proof of the bouncy bouncy - let me know. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smelltheglove COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:52 COMMENT-BODY:QUIZ question

"he hasnt really been in the game to be honest, its just passed him by"

These words were used to describe WHOSE perfomance yesterday by esteemed punit Scott Both -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:55 COMMENT-BODY:smelltheglove

barry "super" robson -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:55 COMMENT-BODY:My dear,dear,dear,dear friend... Canamalar...

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Kojo.
yer pal....who thinks yer swell. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:56 COMMENT-BODY:bengy bhoy

defend what ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Danny Gall COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:57 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry if Ive missed this but Stevie Chalmers was not the last Celt to score a hat-trick v them. Both Harry Hood and Bobby lennox did it in the early 70s. I think Buzzbomb was the last & it as a LC game. Can someone confirm the dates? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:57 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic_First

i try to be open minded enough to acccept that people are different and some may find religion important.

it doesnt change my opinion that religion has no value and in fact causes more harm than good, but each to his own.

far from releiving pressure, i just think we have lost an opportunity to apply even more pressure by taking the focus away from how poorly they are doing, and how well our team are doing, and putting it firmly back on to Artur. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smelltheglove COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:58 COMMENT-BODY:PFayr

CORRECT

Hunbelievable

MOM in my opinion -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:59 COMMENT-BODY:Benji,

I agree (and i can't believe i'm saying this) with Chick Young. Boruc has done nothing wrong. He had a picture on the T Shirt of a polish hero. People who highlight it are the ones that have got the problem. He never went to Rangers fans or anything and it was only seen by people on the TV.

So what's the greviance people have got??? It' been highlighted. It's a country thing. No other country in the world would adopt this attitude. A mate of mine from England says it wasn't even reproted down there. Why is it always getting highlighted up here?? Hmmmm.......

RE: Mick needs a rest. I agree and make it a permanent one. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 21:59 COMMENT-BODY:Malone19: the banner was confiscated by the police at the previous match, without giving the owners the option of removing it. Yes, this is the same Strathclyde Police who allowed the "Voodoo No Worky" banner to remain at Ibrox. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Thom The Thim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:00 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First,

Once again I doff my cap to your wisdom and clarity of thought.

Keep it up. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:00 COMMENT-BODY:Dear Martin42,

just a note here to let you know I haven’t forgotten about your request for a copy of the Enrico Caruso single I’ve got. I just I knew that it was not going to be too easy to digitalise it or indeed copy it in any form since my record player needs a needle never mind a rubber-band to get it moving again at the proper speed. I’ve asked around but to no avail so far, but if I can’t get it done over here, I’ll bring it with me when I’m back in Glasgow and we’ll manage to get it sorted out. It’s not impossible just awkward. I was holding out to give you some positive news. Sorry, but I’ll let you know as soon as poss‘ if I manage it.

HHBhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:02 COMMENT-BODY:smelltheglove

the Pope ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:03 COMMENT-BODY:HHBhoy: Did you know there is a deice that allows you to record vinyl to your PC? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Thom The Thim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:03 COMMENT-BODY:Smell the Glove,

Which pundit was Barry Robson referring to when he said," he hasn't really seen the game today, it's just passed him by". -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:04 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:05 COMMENT-BODY:WDH

very droll

on the wind up again perchance ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 22:06 COMMENT-BODY:I see Steve Paterson says that Rangers released Barry Robson after he broke his ankle. I wonder if that was partly why he took such joy in scoring against them. -------- TITLE: One away win against top six opposition all season for Rangers AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/28/2008 12:01:00 PM ----- BODY: Rangers will enter May with still talking their league chances up, but with only a single league victory from seven away games against top six opposition all season; over Hibs, who won at Ibrox. With a full nine months of the season expired, the premise that they cannot handle pressure away to reasonable SPL opposition appears irrefutable. They have visits to Hibs, Motherwell and Aberdeen, as well as St Mirren still to come. Celtic have won five of their eight away encounters against top six opposition, and have away games against Motherwell and Dundee United to play, where they won 1-4 and 0-2 respectively earlier in the season, two of their best away results all season. All Celtic could do these last two weeks is win their games and put Rangers under pressure. If the Rangers players are as exhausted after yesterday’s game as I was watching it I don’t fancy their chances of handling that pressure. Extra time and penalties for the work-shies in Florence please. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:01 COMMENT-BODY:The pleasure's all mine -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:03 COMMENT-BODY:I just have to re-post this - I'm well chuffed at my prescience.

Oh and Paul, what did I tell you?

I'm off work - long weekend - and what a weekend!

But I'm now basking in my parting comment (Friday) to two workmates (one colleague, one manager) both govanites.

I turned in the car park and shouted

'Sunday. Scott McDonald. When he breaks your hearts at lunch time. I want you to remember I told you it would happen. And I want you to picture my smiling face.'

'Never gonna effin happen mate. Never.'

'Just remember I told you it would happen and picture my smiling face' -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Theragswerepublicansdisdain COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:05 COMMENT-BODY:smashin milk and GaryGillespiesHamstring:

This is an NME article about Martin Glover and the 4 be 2's.

Therags... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Jumanji COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:09 COMMENT-BODY:Lovin this big time today, they are hurting and hurting sore. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

glen daly COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:09 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,

Extra time AND penalties?!?

Not for me, i don't think my heart could take that! I'll accept them going to extra time on Thursday, but only if you can guarantee that Fiorentina will score in the 91st, 93rd, & 95th minutes!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dessybhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:12 COMMENT-BODY:Off topic just heard on the 11am news Radio scotland, Paul Quinn of MFC had his jaw broken in a night club incident out for the rest of the season, wonder if this incident was linked to an assault by an angry fan of the work shies.
Can we expect media coverage of this compared to the Thomson party story following his dive.
10 out of 10 to all concerned we have discovered how to fight for wins again. Brilliant Celtic Football Club. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:12 COMMENT-BODY:Uly

I am witness that you did predict if would be the day of McDonald. I remembered during the game.

I thought the Celtic team looked to have great togetherness yesterday. There were lots of examples, but the one that springs most readily to mind was Andreas Hinkel losing the ball in a very dangerous position in the second half allowing some opponent whose identity I never registered (see me? see contempt?) to go on a bit of a mazy.

Hinkel was the man who got back to clear and Caldwell and Hartley couldn't pat him on the back fast enough. I've always loved that sort of display of team spirit. If I was a coach I'd pay bonuses for them. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:12 COMMENT-BODY:Spot on yet again, Paul. You really are on a roll right now with these articles.

I saw nine men in blue and one in red trudge off the park yesterday, looking battered and beaten, physically and emontionally. Not just because of yesterday, but with the realisation that we had taken six out of six against them. They are under tremendous pressure now and it is beginning to show on many of their faces. Add in an injury to Weir and a suspension for Whittaker and it gets even better.

Winning is a good habit to have and if we can continue ours for three more games, we might just do it ... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:14 COMMENT-BODY:Dessybhoy

Very sad news about Paul Quinn. I hope he makes a speedy recovery.

WG will no doubt give us the full story later on. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:18 COMMENT-BODY:Ulysses, spot on.

Glen Daly, OK, I’ll settle for that as long as you give us a song.

Gordon J, cheers. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:25 COMMENT-BODY:The Sun headline really p##### me off, as previously idiots like Frazer of ProdFA wishart.

Lets be honest Boruc does it to wind them up. But why shouldnt he, its them that have the problem.

Would Frazer Wishart have condemned Rosa Parks, she knew that refusing to move from her seat would wind up the racists, it did cause civil unrest. Was it her fault or the fault of the racist americans at that time.

Does he condemn homosexuals who show affection in public, knowing that homophobes will be angry at seeing it.

Im surprised there has been no move to remove him from his position. How can he stay in a position when he only sees his job to be the defender of one side, and generally the wrong side. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:27 COMMENT-BODY:I see Hugh Keevins was using the brain cell to scratch his arse while he wrote his piece yesterday.

"Boruc, the 'Holy Goalie' in the eyes of the Celtic fans, has a history of problems in Old Firm matches ranging from blessing himself to running across Ibrox with a league championship flag." -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the wee man COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:27 COMMENT-BODY:the rags , i have the single about the huns (somewhere) remember watching TOTP and people were jumping in front of the camera with shamrock t-shirts on with 4be2 on the front -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

St-Gris COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:32 COMMENT-BODY:Extra time and penalties - you must be joking. I've been an ex-smoker Paul for 8 years now but i still dont think my lungs and arteries are clear enough for my air and blood to pump around me if i had to sit through penalties on Thursday.

Talking of blowing -

See the extension that no-one at rangers had asked for - Is that the same extension that Walter/rangers had asked to go to May 27th.

Or have i got it completely.

Come on Walter - you want Peter Lawell to come clean. Clean your own doorstep first.

Whens the deadline for applying to extend the extension? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:39 COMMENT-BODY:Had a hazy, sleep-deprived hoot yesterday having finished at 7 and got to bed for 3 restless hours before I couldn't take it any more and got up. The sun slanting through the 'blackout' blinds cutting across my eyes every time I turned over. Mrs Lardo had been at an 80th the previous night with the mini Lardos and everyone had a long lie. They all went with gran to 12 o'clock Mass and I padded around threateningly, waiting for kick off. I phoned a mate and got his wife who couldn't stop laughing as she told me he had been whisked away for a surprise day of quad-biking for his 40th. She had ok'd the date previously as some folks do, 'oh No we've got nothing on that day'!
I settled to watch the game having to correspond with another north stand upper who had to go to Leicester for a wedding and also missed it. (was going to say 'north stander' but that sounded a bit fruity). A see-saw first 45 minutes but all the while I felt pretty sanguine as though my waters were telling me not to worry. Gran, wife and weans returned for second half and my daughter is away to school today mimicking my high pitched yelps for the penalty!
A couple of borderline decisions went our way yesterday. I know the manky mob are whining into their coffees today about JVoh but I couldn't see real intent in the challenge. I have to say that BF has faded significantly in recent months and although he was sometimes the furthest forward he was still quite ineffectual. They did boss for a while in the first half and probably deserved the lead when they took it but I saw yesterday a determination about us that I liked. I grew up around the Aitken MacLeod Shuggie days when we were driven forward by grit and determination and I saw that yesterday.
Cut the grass after that game and another mate passed so I had to invite him in for a well earned cold beer (first of the day). My back garden looks over towards a pretty decent pub which, on match days, is 80-20 them so it was nice to hear the car horns blasting late into the afternoon. We will have better seasons than this, and doubtless worse ones but I've recorded this game and will be ff to Smith's face every now and then. Just for the hell of it!
I know the journalist who penned the Sun's front page story today. He used to work for the County Reporter in Dumbarton and wore Rangers tops at 5's in the Meadow Centre. That's his nadir reached I suppose. Who would have thought that a move from a local paper to a national would be a step down!
Tradimus Lampada. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:45 COMMENT-BODY:Can’t let them get the better of us. Ever.

Vote -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:47 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry to rain on your positive outlook Paul67 and I will invite you all to a summer long German Beer fest if it happens but I still cannot see us winning the SPL after the overt unashamed underhand cheating we have witnessed all season to allow them to build this platform.

The season has been extended to an already extended season to accommodate them. The first time in history ?

Who can forget John Rowbottom´s performance at Dens park in 2003 ?

Or Stuart Dougal´s last minute injury time penalty after Rangers had struck the bar against the two Jimmies in 2003 ?

Rangers´s last three games are two home games where they haven´t lost against SPL opposition since when ?

Such flagrant fixture fixing should not be discounted as insignificant its very significant.

And the last one is at Aberdeen (see Stuart Dougal comment above).

Can anyone forget the last day capitulation of Hibs in 2005 ? and they have just lost two first teamers to red cards ;-)

Motherwell the only team to support the league extension think that they are better off indirectly supporting the Gers than trying to win on their own steam. They will lie down.

The 0.1 loss at CP against Motherwell coupled with an unconvincing win against Aberdeen last weekend is also cause for concern in that can we keep it going.

tOolOnginThetUthanDPAraNoidCSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Beijingcelt COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:51 COMMENT-BODY:McGrory for Arsenal - 22.52 previous post.

Many thanks for you post last night. I was genuinely pleased to see your comments. Great stuff!

Come on Sean South, come and dance around in the sunlight for a while, when it rains we'll get our brollies and have a grumble, but for now just enjoy.....you know you want to.....

The fat lady has gone back to her dressing room She's wearing a blue dress, but she's thinking of putting on that nice emerald green number for the grand finale -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:52 COMMENT-BODY:I'm gonna regret this but can someone tell me what the Sun headline was? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ian_in_budapest COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:53 COMMENT-BODY:The bulk of the Scottish press have once again shamed themselves by suggesting that Boruc was courting problems and behaving badly by wearing a t-shirt that displayed a picture of the Pope. They don't get it and their reaction reveals their deep prejudices! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:55 COMMENT-BODY:Aw Naw:

Bet my grin is bigger than your grin :-)

Just curious to know how your boy did in that national debating competition? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

lurgan53 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:07 COMMENT-BODY:Still feeling wonderful today.

Can I ask two questions?
1. Please no Celtic callers to Keevins and co tonight. We all know what he will say in that nausiating nasal whine of his. Such calls are the oxygen he needs. We should cut him off at source.

2. Any news on John Kennedy? I'm extremely happy with Gary Caldwell and even our much maligned captain. Darren O Dea and Bobo will also do for me. But we've had no news on JK recently and I find the silence worrying. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:07 COMMENT-BODY:Messrs Keane and Duff sing the Sash.

The New Bhoys -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Tony Bananas COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:10 COMMENT-BODY:Apparently the SFA need the referee's report to tell them whether any "action" is taken. The best wee bigoted country in the world right enough.

SFA WAIT ON REF'S REPORT

I haven't seen the Sun today but gather than Wishart has had something to say. What kind of union rep spontaneously comes out and criticises, if not one of his members, one of his member's peers?? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:10 COMMENT-BODY:Stoir Mha Chroi,

The bhoy done well. He came in second. It was a bit of a shambles in the end. They had the final at a book fair near Heidelberg and I thought that it was very tough the material that they had given them. They also stated this after the event.

In the end a really sweet little girl about two foot smaller than the wee fhella won it. They even had the cheek and audacity to write on my sons certificate in poxy handwriting ...."so nearly 1st"

The wee ghirl that won it´s grandma was a teacher and part of the organisation ... that explains my previous posting ;-)

Here´s a link from him winning his class comp back in Feb... If I ever meet you remind me to tell you the story with regards the wee
fella in the pic with the glasses.

http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/detail.php/4339346/v2_rmn_news_local_article

The most painful and disturbing and funniest 20 minutes of my life. My wife will never forgive me and I will never forget. Germans and communication let me tell you !! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:13 COMMENT-BODY:On the Boruc T-shirt thing.

I think he's perfectly within his rights to wear it, and that anyone could be genuinely offended or 'incited to violence' by it is ridiculous. Anyone who'd be moved to violence by this shouldn't be walking round in the general public. I'd say the same if Ferguson had displayed a 'God save the Queen T-Shirt'.

But back to Artur. His concentration isn't what it once was. I think it's concentration that marks out the real top tier goalies, from the very talented also-rans. I think his mind is made up to leave in the summer, hence the drop in concentration.

I have no doubt that he's devout and his religion is very important to him, but this was a wind-up; and there's nothing wrong with that. I hope his plan was to strip the goalie shirt off if they got a penalty and save it in that T-Shirt ;-0 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:13 COMMENT-BODY:Aw Naw:

Second in a tainted race is better, much better, than being the tainted winner. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:14 COMMENT-BODY:This Just in...

Rangers Club/Fans in Boruc Brouhaa

Rangers last night called for a ruling not only from the SFA but also the country’s leading academics in light of Celtic’s Polish Goalie Artuc Boruc’s ‘Pope shame T shirt’

A Rangers insider said ‘For years now we have had the unsurpassed right of God blessing our Queen – GBTQ if you will. And we also reserved the right to the anacronym FTP as lavishly penned our former player Robert ‘Boab’ Malcolm. We at Rangers feel that this T-shirt will confuse and mislead millions of children and adults throughout the country as to whom we should be f-ing or b-ing.’

It has long been noted that the aforementioned ‘Pope’ is the figurehead for a religious cabala originating from Rome, whose followers worship a cold-forged shroud with a cartoon man on it.

‘We were f-ing the pope long before this polish goalie started b-ing him. It’s wrong and educationally misleading.’ Said the Rangers insider

The Pope, at present wallowing in the ill-gotten gains and excesses of this religion in Rome, was unavailable for comment at time of press -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:20 COMMENT-BODY:From the BBC report

"In August 2006 he received a procurator fiscal's caution for breach of the peace as an alternative to prosecution after making gestures at Rangers fans at Ibrox in February that year."

If it wasn't for blessing himself then what was it that offended the Rangers hordes? I certainly don't see anything other than the sign of the cross.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WsTZd5BPr6s&feature=related -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:21 COMMENT-BODY:Aw Naw:

Opened the link and I can guess which nipper is yours. However, I’ll let you into a wee secret, when it comes to the German and the Latin, I’m intellectually celibate.

Good stuff though and no doubt the day will arrive when we share that missed beer.

Stay with the Faith. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the devil plays 4-5-1 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:29 COMMENT-BODY:Fraser Wetfart really should not be making any comment here.

if anything, he should be pressuring the powers that be for the harrassment that the Holy Goalie gets regularly on account of his religion. See under Neil Lennon for that too. Don't remember too much coming from rent a quote over this. If i recall, your local neighbourhood union rep is the guy you should go to if you feel unfairly treated at your place of work on the basis of race, colour, religion or creed.

Frank Robbery says a prayer in his muslim faith before every game. what would be the course of action if his act was referred to as Vodoo, or imfamatory (to whom??)

Wetfart is another ex rangers player in the media spouting his biased opinion. He will be a future Chief Exec of the SFA! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:31 COMMENT-BODY:Stoir,

Its the only faith I have and I wont be giving it up. My Bhoy went off to school today dressed in a long armed grey Boruc 1. Not many young Celtic fans can say that today. Not mayn parents would allow it. What a perverse little midden Scotland can be. He has lots of Polish friends and they love it too. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:32 COMMENT-BODY:Personally I blame Polish schools. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

danny COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:32 COMMENT-BODY:I wonder if any of the Fiorentina players will risk the wrath of some by blessing themselves on Thursday night ? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sannabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:36 COMMENT-BODY:Lardo66 ,

obv another 'son of the rock' . Tradimus Lampada - We work in the light - at least if I remember what Mulheron and Goldie told me - there you go - that dates me - St Pats '76-82 . -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:41 COMMENT-BODY:Great stuff yesterday. It was a pleasure to see team Celtic playing with spirit and dignity. Nobody said it will be easy to win the trophy, but when Celtic win it again in May it will be impossible to loose it next year. I don't believe Rangers will beat them.

One song for Celtic
Jump In The Line
Martin42, I think you will like it.

One song for Rangers.
The Cheeky Song

So called professionalism in that song is non-accidental. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:43 COMMENT-BODY:Tradimus Lampada, something like 'We Carry / Hand on the torch' I think. If you Google it, CQN is the 3rd result from the uk...it was the merged school and Uniter Deo by the time I got there anyway! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stoir Mha Chroi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:43 COMMENT-BODY:Aw Naw:

Good on the lhad.

Reminds me of something somebody once said. Along the lines of - ‘Go ye forth and teach all nations’.

Your wee bhoy is doing his part and no doubt will convert many to the cause.

I wonder how many 8,000 Celtic supporters could convert if they adopted your bhoys strategy and wore – The Holy Goalies Number One jersey to Ibrox – next season.

Ah forget it they’re not worth the effort. After all they are the ‘People’. And the funny thing too, they can do quite a good impersonation of standing upright.

When do we get your bhoys maiden post? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:45 COMMENT-BODY:Wishart really shood be brought to book by his members. To be a part of the harrasment of a player in the media is surely an awful thing for a trades union official to be guilty of.

I wonder whether there has even been another time that the leading officials of the SFA, SPL and SPFA have all been former players of the same club? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bambi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:47 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek,

What, if any, is the reaction to Arthurs T-shirt in Poland?

How backward a nation must you and your countrymen think this place is? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:47 COMMENT-BODY:stoir,

I´ll ask him if he wants to participate. I still think he´s a bit shy about communicating in written Glaswegian....but its a good question -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lennondinho18 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:48 COMMENT-BODY:The biggest story yesterday was once again Rangers fans (the majority) singing that new song they have

The Famine is over, so why dont you go home

This is an absolute disgrace and has been totally ignored -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:51 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyscek - it's a good job we're all in a good mood, inflicting the Cheeky ghirls on us- either that or you're spending too much time with Pablophanque!

What do you think Artur's plans are? Obviously we all love him to bits but I wonder if the reason for some of his recent wind-ups[ and yesterday's was brilliant!] is that he doesn't intend being in Scotland for much longer and wants to have as much fun as he can while he's here. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

thismancraig COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:53 COMMENT-BODY:I suppose we should educate our friendly football 'rivals' here, you know - it's just a rivalry at the end of the day nudge nudge wink wink. I know the average Rangers fan signing the song glorifying the famine won't know this but the death toll is generally considered to be in 7 figures.

How about a wee ditty about the holocaust since they seem so bothered about the current Pontiff and his attachment to the Hitler Youth? Oh, is that different????? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:55 COMMENT-BODY:Yes Sannabhoy, Vintage 78-84. Long hair and Neil Young on my combat jaiket and looking up to Greendot and Stephen Conroy. Alladin Sane drawn freehand on his canvas gas mask bag! Mr Purcell the French teacher and his appalling teeth.
Did you ever partake in Charlie Robinson's Friday quizzes? I think I answered one right for 3 million points! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Fighting Irish COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:57 COMMENT-BODY:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhHzNBRXlo

Robbie Keane and Damien Duff in the Hoops Bar -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 13:58 COMMENT-BODY:Could someone enlighten me as to what Wishart said about Artur? A link to the quote would be even better.

Thismancraig, interesting angle, I’ll use that, thanks. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:08 COMMENT-BODY:Lhadies & Ghentleman,

I was wondering if anyone else has noticed the definite decline in the number of imposters on CQN since Wednesday the 16th April.

Mmmhhhhhh I wonder why

Is it because they know that they are Scotlands Shame unlike I do or do they think its all over ;-)

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sannabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:08 COMMENT-BODY:didn't get Charlie. I was same year as Stephen Conroy ? Are you still local - my folks still live in D'ton - I moved away about 25 years ago and now live 3 miles from Parkhead . Went to game on Saturday feeling confident for first time in about a year - thoroughly enjoyed it and , joy of joys , I work beside a few from the darkside who would have been wearing 'Championees' t-shirts today !! C'mon la forza fiorentina !! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Fighting Irish COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:08 COMMENT-BODY:I don't know if it was mentioned on here previously but the animals in the away end yesterday started to throw blue balloons with a picture of Jock Stein with the writing "I KNEW",

Once again...SWEEP SWEEP! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:09 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

If you do use the link, please be sure to mention that the present Pontiff had no choice but to go to some state-run youth activities and risked his life by escaping from them.

He said in an address to young people on his recent trip to the United States: "My own years as a teenager were marred by a sinister regime that thought it had all the answers; its influence grew - infiltrating schools and civic bodies, as well as politics and even religion - before it was fully recognized for the monster it was.

"It banished God and thus became impervious to anything true and good. Many of your grandparents and great-grandparents will have recounted the horror of the destruction that ensued. Indeed, some of them came to America precisely to escape such terror."

The famine and the Nazis may all be part of one big supremacist joke for Rangers fans, but they are in grave error if they think that stuff is remotely funny.

Is there any hope for them? Seriously. Is there hope that the people bellowing that gargbage out and giving that straight-arm salute will realise how offensive and wrong their words and actions are? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:11 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

Fascinating statistics. Equally as relevant as the stats you highlighted about our own away form earlier this season...Even more so perhaps given the precipice the stand before....

I wonder if the press corp will jump on these stats as lustily as they did your earlier ones....

Me thinks not..

Artur Boruc: The Bigot Detector. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:14 COMMENT-BODY:They're really struggling, worried that UEFA will clamp down hard on their repertoire if they trot out the old favourites. That's why The Big Lie Song and now the one about the famine are getting big licks- they might not in the strictest terms be 'sectarian' but they fulfil all the other criteria to make it into the Big Blue Book

a/ they're offensive
b/ they have nothing to do with football
c/they are based on prejudice, rather than fact.

It may be worth pointing out that outside rural Ireland the people most affected by the potato famine [which involved the whole continent] were Highland Scotland and Prussia.

So maybe all the lowland Scots with Highland roots whose ancestors moved southwards to avoid starvation should go home as well.. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:16 COMMENT-BODY:Journalists?

Artur Boruc: The Demagogue Detector. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:17 COMMENT-BODY:lardo, sannabhoy and tmc

I did put your school motto through google and it came up with:-

"We work our bodies doing a latin dance equivalent to the slosh."

Think there might have been a typo involved. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:19 COMMENT-BODY:TFI- I wondered what the balloons said- your explanation does not surprise me.

C1st- Josef Ratzinger's family were anti-Nazi in outlook and experience- he had a brother with Down's Syndrome who was murdered as a teenager. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:21 COMMENT-BODY:bambi
Polish media don't care about T-shirt affair. I have read only short note:Artur Boruc has shown God Bless The Pope after the game. Nothing more. I don't think there will be anything more about that.
To be honest with you I don't care what Rangers sing,what they write or what they say about that. It's a good habit to support my team and think about my team.
Of course I have my thougts,and maybe I will write more later...but who cares what problems Rangers have ?
I think this time Artur wanted to say: I don't fear stupid fans. He has shown something that there are some differences between us. We have grown up in a different places. Nothing bad I think.

dontbrattbackinanger
I don't think Artur has any plans to go out. He did not change his mind with a possible transfer. If I'm not mistaken he said that when the big club comes and agrees with Celtic he can think about a move.
I think his plans are to find good green pram for his May born child.
6th and 7th of May are the best dates to be born.

Sorry, I'm late with the answers. My first post dissapeared.

P.S. I hope Pablophanque doesn't listen to The Cheeky Girls. He took my Genesis, LZ and Van Morrison to the car when we travelled to Krakow. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:22 COMMENT-BODY:Who's writing these BBC online reports? :- "SFA awaits ref reports on Boruc"

The above includes the line:-

"In March this year the Poland number one was cautioned for making a gesturing toward Hibernian fans"

Do these guys get any training? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:24 COMMENT-BODY:bambi

I forgot.
Polish media said Boruc made mistake with a first goal. I think he could do much better with that goal. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:28 COMMENT-BODY:Zbyszek -Pablo loves the Cheeky Girls- you can tell which is his caravan by the way it sways to the crazy Rumanian rhythm.

Thanks for the news on Artur's intentions. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:28 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hooptastic COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:32 COMMENT-BODY:Can anyone give a link to Wishart's comments please? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:33 COMMENT-BODY:3 times ive written a comment about wishart and 3 times my comment hasnt been there when i hit published -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:36 COMMENT-BODY:right 4th time lucky

apologies to paul67 and to hooptastic as my lazy writing has given the wrong impression

when i had my rant about wishart, it wasnt obvious from my post that i wasnt talking about any new comment but about his previous comments that Boruc should bless himself in the tunnel so as not to offend the rangers fans

i really hope this message appears otherwise by the time i manage to post the whole world will think Wishart has commented on the t shirt -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:37 COMMENT-BODY:Madeira,

That Paul67´s new sewage filter systemkicking in ;-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:41 COMMENT-BODY:I think it´s fair to say that if Skoosh is out the 1st team then Lee Naylor is a lucky man. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

AbMucker COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:51 COMMENT-BODY:Oh Happy days.........

Still trying to catch up from comments made by one and all since yesterdays events.

The fact that I've got to continue abusing all the huns from work at the same time is slowing me down but I have got to admit to drawing a certain amount of pleasure from my duties!!!

Mucker
Cloud 9 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Стахановец COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:53 COMMENT-BODY:Considering Rangers have already been warned about the antics of their support at Inverness, if they were to be found guilty of it again between now and the end of the season, would the SPL be obliged to deduct points the next time? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BHOYSFOUR COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:54 COMMENT-BODY:Paul,
while I agree about having them walk the extra mile, I would love to see them get humped big time and continue the low down feelings they currently are experiencing.

Well done to the bhoys for yesterday, special mention of course to Skippy and Robbo, not forgetting WGS.

BF -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

inkybhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:57 COMMENT-BODY:Hail, hail,

Apologies if this appears twice, technical difficulties.

The reporter with the front page byline on today's Sun.

He is a Rangers supporter.

He was also raised as a Roman Catholic.

He once told me he supported Rangers because all his family were Celtic fans and he wanted "to be different".

I've have never been able to get my head around this.

STANDING UP.. if yer man from Pacific Quay is reading, I'll speak to you soon. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the devil plays 4-5-1 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 14:58 COMMENT-BODY:Fair enough if Wishart hasn't made comment on the T-Shirt. However, my point remains...pressure should be applied on to him, the SPL and the SFA to issue condemnation of 1)the poor treatment of any individual based on his religion 2) the famine song sung by the Rankers support yesterday and 3)gain assurances from David Murray that these activities and songs will be stopped immediately so no further offence can be caused to employees of the SPL/SFA and fee paying members of the players Union

Nah - i don't see that happening either. Just a pity that every other country in the world would take a collaborative approach between authorities and unions to stamp out such behaviour!

HAIL HAIL -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Stuart COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:02 COMMENT-BODY:Is it just me, or does anyone else have the desire to sing "You are the people" when TFOD sing "We are the people"?

I'm not quite sure what they mean by it, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to be part of it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serpent's Tongue COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:04 COMMENT-BODY:****Paul, apologies in advance for the long post…everyone feel free to scroll on by but hopefully I can contribute something to the debate. Before I go off on a tirade, let me just say that yesterday in Paradise was magic and that I am not by nature as bitter as this post may make me seem J. I am in fact, quite chuffed at our recent results, as I’m sure you can all imagine. Hail hail!****

And so the predictable media hoo-ha over Artur’s papal t-shirt begins…

What an absolute disgrace the media in this insular little country is. I am sure that Artur’s primary motivation was to wind up the Rangers fans who have, let’s not forget, subjected him to sectarian abuse the kind of which – if spewed against any other ethnicity or religion – would be universally deemed unacceptable.

My only conclusion in this whole affair is that Artur has – I presume unwittingly – exposed many Rangers fans, the Scottish media in general and the union head as bigots.

Fraser Wishart, especially, should hang his head in shame. It is not within his remit to criticise the legal actions of players in his union. He has also completely failed to provide any public support of a player who has received vile sectarian abuse and had the indignity of a procurator fiscal warning dished out for the callous and offending act of blessing himself. He has also failed to condemn such treatment of players. I remember him being particularly vocal when there were incidents of racial abuse at Fir Park. Rightly so. Did he even so much as utter a peep of condemnation during the seven years in which Neil Lennon endured racist and sectarian abuse on a regular basis?

Every time Artur does something remotely – for want of a better word – inflammatory, the same illogical adages are trotted out. He blessed himself – God forbid! Y’Gads, he even “sarcastically” applauded the Hibs fans…

“He could have caused I riot,” they say.

“It was a breach of the peace,” they say.

These are the exact same mantras anyone who still reads a red top or listens to Radio Clyde and its clones will read and/or hear today.

They are, of course, nonsense. If an image of the Pope incites anyone to riot in 2008, frankly, it is that person who should be prosecuted for breach of the peace, arguably with a hate-crime motivation thrown in.

All this cod-legal jargon from people who simply do not know what they are talking about is completely unhelpful as well. Notice that we do not hear any mention of Artur’s legally enshrined right to manifestation of his religious belief and freedom of expression – guaranteed under Articles 9 and 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights and legally enforceable in a Scottish court by virtue of the Scotland Act 1998 and the Human Rights Act 1998.

I am very rarely moved to respond to any of the inane whitterings of tabloid journalists or radio pundits in Scotland but this is an important issue – one which holds a rather uncomplimentary light up to Scottish society.

The fact that people first consider that some eejit might be offended before they consider basic civil liberties is indicative of the backwardness of this country, or at least certain sections within this country.

Does anyone remember an article in the Evening Times in the aftermath of our away fixture against Hibs a few months back? Remember Artur’s “ironic” waving?

Matthew Lindsay's "article" in the Evening Times before the game in the Nou Camp about the waving incident at Easter Road is possibly the foremost example of appallingly lazy sensationalism I have had the dubious pleasure of reading this year. Couple it with the sensationalism we are all seeing fester over Artur’s “controversy” and a pattern emerges.

I am loathe to drag up the Lindsay article but it is, I feel, indicative of the current situation and very much typical of journalism in this country.

The media do not like Artur – he is a big, gallus, successful athlete who knows who he is and doesn’t care one jot what other people think of that. And he isn’t afraid of flaunting that fact.

Mr Lindsay suggested that Artur waving at fans in the Nou Camp in a similar fashion to what he did at Easter Road would cause a "full-scale riot" - a response it did not even illicit at Easter Road.

What a shamefully irresponsible thing to write! A spurious claim with no evidence which we now know to be false.

And here is where I see a connection: the exact same argument we are seeing in relation to t-shirt-gate…

Mr Lindsay remarked that Artur’s ironic waving "could easily have provoked an ugly, even violent, response". I would assume that most sentient beings would agree that anyone moved to violence at a football match due to someone waving at them is the one guilty of "indiscipline", not Artur Boruc. The same applies to someone moved to violence by a t-shirt depicting a religious leader.

Artur was then accused of "continued indiscipline", and it was remarked that "this is not the first time he had hit the headlines for the wrong reasons". This is absurd. What examples of such indiscipline are there? How many times has Artur Boruc been sent off for Celtic?

Never.

This is clearly a not-so-veiled reference to the media-created furore surrounding Artur Boruc's practice of blessing himself before matches since this was the only other controversial issue at the tine of Lindsay’s writing. Only in a country as morbidly obsessed with its own disfunction as Scotland could such an act be construed as in any way inflammatory. Blessing oneself is not a manifestation of indiscipline. It is a manifestation of Artur Boruc's religion; a manifestation guaranteed by Articles 9 and 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights. It is a shameful indictment of the insidious sectarianism in this country that the incident provoked any reaction at all. Equally shameful is Mr Lindsay's allusion to it.

And even more shameful is that they are all at it again!

Artur Boruc is a world-class player and a fantastic character - Scottish football would be a far duller place without him. He is certainly a wind-up merchant. But this does not mean that Artur Boruc did anything wrong. I would contend that Artur’s only inadvised action is to leave himself open to such lurid tabloid spin. But I suspect he doesn’t give a toss what is written about him, and that is fair enough.

The fact that Artur Boruc produces such idiotic ramblings is the fault of what Mr Lindsay in his article called “the cretins who attach themselves to Scottish football" and no-one else.

Journalists (and player’s union bosses) should be less neglectful of the truth - and their responsibilities in a civil society.

And these responsibilities should surely be engaged by the vile famine chant sung by the vast majority of Rangers fans at Parkhead in the last two Old Firm games. Has there been any mention of this in the media?

I haven’t seen any.

The Rangers fans sing to me to “go home”.

I am home.

As Heaney so eloquently wrote in “Whatever You Say Say Nothing” –

"Yet I live here, I live here too, I sing,

Expertly civil-tongued with civil neighbours..."

Some of our neighbours aren’t so civil.

Again, in the case of Artur, we have seen a mere pantomime turned into a potential riot, whilst nary a peep is made of “the famine’s over chant”.

The famine and its effects killed up to one and a half million innocents and produced an unprecedented exodus of another million people. So far as I’m aware, wearing a t-shirt of the Pope hasn’t killed anyone yet.

Only in Scotland. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Zbyszek COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:07 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:08 COMMENT-BODY:Nacho...[American Spanish, possibly diminutive of the name Ignacio or alteration of ñato, pug-nosed, ugly, poor (alteration of Spanish chato, flat, snub-nosed, from Vulgar Latin *plattus, flat; see plate).]

Can't be Much room in McGeadys Back Pocket...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:09 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67,

Bill Leckie???

Sailing a bit close to wind with that article today about Artur.

Why mention Tommy Burns though and his illness to try and score points???

I would be none to happy about it. When are Celtic going to finally take a stand against these guy's? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

UNEW Mike COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:14 COMMENT-BODY:I havent posted in a few days because i had problems with my password. Delighted with yesterdays result more so because we came from behind to win which showed guts and determination. Scot MCDonalds performance was excellent and once again Barry Robson and Gary Caldwell stepped up to the mark -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

UNEW Mike COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:18 COMMENT-BODY:was delighted with the way nakamura closed out the last 10 mins of the game but was disgusted with the chants from the Rangers fans when he lined up to take the free kick in the first half. My wife who is japanese and currently in japan visiting her parents has told me that these factually incorrect but racist chants have attracted attention and disgust in japan. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:20 COMMENT-BODY:Rangers' fans sing a lot of offensive songs. And they do so konowing that they will be allowed to get away with it. every time these morons are allowed to bring their bile to our stadium it reminds me of jusyt how much I hate their club and everything it stands for.

But they also sometimes tell the truth:

"No one likes us" and "There's not a team like the G****** R******"

Both of these statements are true, although perhaps not in the way they intended.

Chic Young got it absolutely right for once yesterday on the radio. When Artur's T-shirt was mentioned he immediately stated that it was those who saw it as a problem who were the ones with the problem.

Shows what a sad little country we have become when Chic Young is the voice of reason. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

UNEW Mike COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:22 COMMENT-BODY:also on the nakamura front he is in no hurry to quit celtic even though laptop loyal would have you believe that Yokohama Marinos will sign him up. He loves the celtic fans and sees an important responsibility in helping/mentoring Koki Mizuno at Celtic so expect Naka to stay beyond one more year as he is also keen to play along side Mizuno for the celtic first team -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:24 COMMENT-BODY:WGS -In the last official Club statement there was a clear, unequivocal refeerence to the policy of the PCC to unwanted press intrusion into deeply personal matters, eg serious illness.

'Under the Press Complaints Commission Code of Practice, the need to respect an individual's privacy with regards to matters of health is clearly stated and we trust that this will now be the case going forward, in relation to Tommy and his family.' is what the Club said as recently as April 24 th. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:26 COMMENT-BODY:So given that statement I would expect that John Reid and Peter Lawell will give that sad excuse for a human being the whole 9 yards. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:33 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic First, I don’t plan to write anything about Benny.

PJBhoynyc, I don’t expect to see many pick up this stat.

Zbyszek, :-)

Madeira bhoy, thanks for that note.

Bhoysfour, no complaints if that happens.

Serpent’s, no apologies necessary.

WGS, you read The Sun? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Declan COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:36 COMMENT-BODY:Robbie Keane Steven Carr and Damien Duff celebrate Celtics vctory over TFOD -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

itzallova COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:45 COMMENT-BODY:It is estimated that at any one time, 0.7 percent of the world's population are drunk -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:48 COMMENT-BODY:new article posted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

lurgan53 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 15:56 COMMENT-BODY:Itzzzzzzzzaaaalllllllooooovvvaaaaa @15:45

Hic?? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 16:01 COMMENT-BODY:On the Sun journalist we spoke of earlier. I recall apizza related incident involving Sir Alex at Manu.
A week later he brought his team to Glasgow to play them and there was the said reporter trying to hand him a wee frozen pizza as he got off the train for a cheap photo op. Sums up our 4th estate in some respects. Inky, you may be able to comment on editors' orders etc.
Good to see a lot of old St Pat's boys populating this blog. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:49 COMMENT-BODY:Thanks Inky @1709. When I meet said journo again I'll bring up the 'I voz only following orders'!!
Iquite like the guy but that story- put out on the front page- reeked of incitement to me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lardo66 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 19:53 COMMENT-BODY:I should also commiserate with you for having not been taught history by Bill Doig, the man who annually threw out the poor sap who was sent around the school collecting for the Haig fund, likening its name to the Goebbells fund for international Jewery! Oh heady days indeed. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bankiebhoy1 COMMENT-DATE:29/04/08 15:55 COMMENT-BODY:Is anyone else having difficulties posting?

Ned Ludd ( CSC) -------- TITLE: Lusty celebrations the sign of a team reborn AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/27/2008 09:52:00 PM ----- BODY: Even though Rangers played as well as they have at Celtic Park in years, they still ended up losing to a Celtic fight back which will live long in the memory. I am never concerned when Celtic defend a corner kick; although I cannot give you the stats, we lose very few goals this way, so as well as the predictable frustration of conceding two ‘preventable’ goals (aren’t they all) I was genuinely surprised. Barcelona hadn’t lost a headed goal all season until they arrived in Glasgow two months ago, when Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink and Barry Robson both scored headers in the first 45 minutes, which was not statistically (or tactically) significant, so I have to conclude that losing two goals direct from a corner today does not reach statistically significant proportions for Celtic. What may be more significant is the ratio of goals we lose to direct attempts on target. There can be few more satisfying goals than one which comes from both your strikers linking up. 11 days ago it was McDonald who headed on for Vennegoor of Hesselink and today Jan returned the compliment. Both players looked tired and off form recently which for me was typified in the penalty miss by McDonald against Rangers, but that injury time winner seems to have changed things. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player who didn’t score celebrate as lustily as Scott McDonald did then. He set up a really important goal and it looked as though a weight had been lifted from his shoulders. His touch, which we have despaired at recently, was perceptively better against Aberdeen last week and when I met a couple of CQN’ers before kick-off I predicted he would be our winning player today. Can you tell me when we signed the hard man, Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink? His tackling in both Rangers games this month was uncompromising, it’s as though he has realised that these games are as much about the physical battle as silky football. He was not the only hard man today, Robson and Hartley again were up for the battle, even Samaras knew when to make an important foul. Talking about lusty goal celebrations, what can we make of Mr 167%, Barry Robson? I get the feeling this guy is loving every minute of life as a Celtic player. He also showed the experience we missed in central midfield earlier in the season, as the match drew to a close he held the ball and carried it into space. He even tried a cheeky wee one from a corner kick that hit the post. First name on the team sheet for me. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 21:55 COMMENT-BODY:yes -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

big liam COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 21:55 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoydell ,

Shay Given , Stephen Carr , Damien Duff , were giving it large singing and jumping around with Celtic scarves and hats. Few photo's of these 3 are doing the rounds. Robbie Keane was allegedly in attendance as well as Mick McCarthy. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 21:56 COMMENT-BODY:pfayr ya beggar! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 21:56 COMMENT-BODY:SIR...WGS...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:01 COMMENT-BODY:just catching up with the posts from earlier..

gordonj @ 17.26...

only one thing to say to that and god bless ronald biggs..
pmsl -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:02 COMMENT-BODY:porridge

i`ll give this gong to el cardo ..for he`ll win feck all else this season:¬) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:02 COMMENT-BODY:StevieS,

You got mail,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:04 COMMENT-BODY:BigChip

from previous

Paradise Windfall

rangers, particularly walter, have been complaining about having too many fixtures to play for the best part of a week now.

regardless of what the manky mob say, their manager clearly does not think it is an advantage -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:04 COMMENT-BODY:5 points clear having played 3 games more.

Perfect

We have them in our sights and will hunt them down like dogs -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BHOYDELL COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:05 COMMENT-BODY:Big Liam, Thank you, Stephen Carr, it was bugging me all day. They were a few rows in front of me and giving it big licks, Shay given was belting out the Holy Goaly....

BTW, did anyone else (like me) find the "god bless the pope" T-Shirt a bit OTT? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:08 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67,

Was it not Walter that released BR from Rangers?

Seem to remembe that BFwas on the verge of getting punted as well because they had Jonas Thern,etc...

To think of the stick BR and SB used to get when they came to CP with Dundee Utd and Hibs, now look them snarling at opposition teams and geniunely loving been part of our football club. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:09 COMMENT-BODY:Can somebody update me what JMCN said about Jimmy Calderwood & Nicholl? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:09 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

If the corner had gone in instead of hitting the post, the first name on the team-sheet would have become Charles Patrick Robson. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:10 COMMENT-BODY:gordon j..if your out there..
and if your easly offended dont click..

pistols -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:11 COMMENT-BODY:bhoydell

if your going to religiously abuse a player constantly for 90 mins twice a year at your home ground

if you are going to make up pejorative banners

if your players are going to seek out individual players when you win to pretent to be sportsman like
THEN NO

it wasn`t OTT

GIRFUT

WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:11 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoydell

Word is that their Newcastle team-mate Alan Smith was at the other end giving it all manner of sectarian garbage.

Wonder if they were all sharing a car back down the road. You'd have to hope so from a carbon footprint point of view. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:12 COMMENT-BODY:wgs..basically jackie went to town in a dressing room bust up and accused js and sandy c of bullying certain players including consedine -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:14 COMMENT-BODY:I thought Barry Robson was excellent- before the 2nd McDonald goal he won 2 or 3 tackles in a row- reminiscent of the bite we used to get from Murdo or Big Roy.

It took SBrown's suspension for him to be given a chance -he looks to be grabbing it with both hands. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:14 COMMENT-BODY:CELTIC FIRST

ALAN SMITH IS A NED

HE`D BE IN GOOD COMPANY -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:14 COMMENT-BODY:Don't you just love it when your long post that with my terrible keyboard skills takes an age to type gets lost somewhere in cyberspace. Getting the evil eye and the huffs in the background from mrs bananas so will post again when I get peace in the morning!

Oh Artur Boruc, The Holy Goalie........

WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED!

Good night and God Bless amigos! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

~Kevtic COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:15 COMMENT-BODY:Glad everyone had a great day.

Yes Robson is a real Celtic player (just like legend Thommo) - is his first name Bryan or Barry?

My sons' first derby today. After his shower tongiht he's only gone and wrote 3-2 on steamy window. Makes you proud. Although wife thinks it was me and give me ears a bashing while he dreams of 3 in a row!

3 BIG matches to go but at least the league table looks great tonight.

Sweet dreams ~ Hail hail. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

VertWolf COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:16 COMMENT-BODY:Paul

interesting adjective but spot on according to the definition below - Barry certainly played a lusty game and is metamorphising into the admiral of the team - arm band next year?

VertWolf

Thesaurus: lusty

adjective

1. Full of vigor: able-bodied, iron, red-blooded, robust, strapping, sturdy, vigorous, vital. See strong/weak.
2. Feeling or devoted to sexual love or desire: amative, amorous, concupiscent, erotic, lascivious, lecherous, lewd, libidinous, lustful, passionate, prurient, sexy. See sex/asexual. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:20 COMMENT-BODY:ill post it...seeing as no one has

very true -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dontbrattbackinanger COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:22 COMMENT-BODY:Jean-Claude Darcheville responds to today's disappointment by getting into extra training for Thursday -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:22 COMMENT-BODY:NIGHT ALL

happy PF looking forward to his work the morra

hail hail

MARTIN42

still standing

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

big liam COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:23 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoydell ,

Not in the slightest. Big Artur takes abuse every single day as we all know. What some forget and is widely unknown to the masses is that not only Pope John Paul II , Artur's fellow countryman and Former Spiritual Leader of the Catholic Church of which Artur belongs , Also Pope John Paul was also a promising Goalkeeper!

Anyway ,

I hate the old PC world where people demand to be easily offended and its pretty insane that 7500 thousands rangers fans who sung a lot about the Irish potato famine today get easily offended.

Juan Sara , former Dundee player praised God with a t-shirt every time he scored , Their own Marvin Andrews sported religious Tshirts on the pitch regularly and would anyone take offense at Kaka displaying praise the lord T-Shirt?

We'll find that its because its Artur Boruc that people are offended and its because he's a Catholic.

Plain and simple.

Today , reading the reaction from some quarters on the simple T-shirt something clicked in me on the real meaning of the Scotland's Shame Banner from last weeks game. Scotland's Shame is the denial that Anti-Catholicism exists in Scotland. It echoed loud from even some of our own today but its not lost on Artur Boruc. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:23 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoydell, Artur’s tee shirt is not what I would have worn, but I have not suffered the sectarian abuse he has – which I am convinced was the cause behind the effect.

WGS, ha! Good point.

Celtic First, :-)

Porridgeand..

Some advice when posting:

Type in Word and paste into Blogger. If gets lost, press F5 (refresh) and click OK when asked, which should see it arrive safely.

VertWolf, interesting idea on the armband. No arguments from me.

For the record, I was heading towards the first definition of lusty. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:27 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

Once again, thanks for the platform. We shed our tears, shout our frustrations and CELEBRATE till we are Hoarse here !

awalkacrossthe rooftops - thats not the real pistols thats mclarens 3rd attempt at controversy after lydon leaves.

(1. New York Dolls - communist chic
2. Original pistols
3. Farce with sid / ronny biggs et al)

Anyways .............

.............

Wooo Hooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great result, great team effort. Great that the crowd didnt turn on Gordon when we went behind.

Skippy was great !

Caldwell, I might just start calling you Gary after your last 2 performances against r*ngers.

Paul Hartley and Barry Robson , I love how much you know what playing like a team like this means.

Naka, did I say 3 weeks ago that you disappear in theses big games? Shame on me !

Neil Lennon, You enjoyed that didnt you!

All team , thanks for a great day.

Edward U, theres still time to switch sides, your on here enough I'm sure someone will sub you a jersey ;)

Ok, so whats the permutations?
Is it doable?
If we can win all 3 do we need r*ngers to lose 2? lose 1 draw 1?

where are the stattos?

Couple of guiness, a Glenfarclas followed by an Ardbeg Uigadeal,lovely. Any parties on? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

rimtimtim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:29 COMMENT-BODY:I'm glad that Barry Robson is proving good value for money Paul, he has got just that Alan Thompson like mettle which is needed against a physical team. We know the majority of Scottish refs won't protect the ball players in the Celtic team. When the likes of Aiden sees Barry and Paul Hartley taking them on, he gets on with doing what he does best, gliding by defenders.

As for Scott McDonald, he really is turning into Celtic class.

I'm so pleased that Scotland's footballers have chosen Aiden McGeady as their player of the season. Not that the season is over yet, is it? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:31 COMMENT-BODY:oh aye and for one whos going to watch the full spl at 11pm..watch aberdeens darren mackie when he scores..over the hoardings...no booking..surprise.. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:32 COMMENT-BODY:Thanks for the info on the Paradise Windfall Sir Jock, I'll have to check it tomorrow as the results for today aren't on there yet.

I expect someone won the jackpot already, but a £50 gift voucher wouldn't go amiss... I could use it to buy some "Champions 2007-8" merchandise from the Celtic Superstore.

;o) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:36 COMMENT-BODY:nae bread..i know..was the best response i could find to gordons post on you tube..it did get a farce agreed..egos took over big time..one ego in particular..

everfeelyouvebeencheatedcsc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PjDali COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:39 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:44 COMMENT-BODY:In my 12 hour round trip up from Leeds today (excluding from Moffat northwards), I noticed 2 coaches, about 5 or 6 minibuses, and at least 2 dozen cars sporting Celtic colours. And one car sporting Rangers colours.

Celtic truly have nationwide appeal, while it is fairly evident that the manky mob do not. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:47 COMMENT-BODY:awalkacrosstherooftops,

Thanks for that!

No One Is Innocent was a double A side with Sid Vicious's version of My Way - a single as we used to call them or a 45 for older readers.

I have a copy somewhere in one of several boxesof similar records picked up in my youth during the 70s and 80s. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:48 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67,

I was saying today the resposibility Aiden has for us and we can't help him out sometimes. By that i mean after the wee man has played his heart out and ragged we don't have another impact player like him to swap him with.

When Shaun was here we could do that but we haven't really replaced him. Koki perhaps? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:49 COMMENT-BODY:Awalk
re everfeelyouvebeencheatedcsc
funnily enough I saw that very clip of the last US date just last night.

and yes i thought we were gonna be cheated oot of this league!

Now my optimism has returned.

Pdjali

I hoped 2 draws or a loss and a draw would suit us. Ta. I can definately dream they will draw 2, and I can dream that we will win 3 - that is possible.
The heart is back in the team and we fans are feeling it again. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PjDali COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:51 COMMENT-BODY:Nae Bread....

I'm no statto but we've a goal difference of +54 and presently 80points...(still 9 points to play for)

We win our last 3 games by at least a single goal and we're up to minimum of +57 goal difference and final total of 89 points!

Assuming we win our games...please!

Gers so far have 75 points and goal diff of +47 (6 games = 18 points still available to win)

They would be needing to win 15 points or 5 wins to steal our title ....and finish on 90points

So if the game plan goes ahead as we all hope, then either 2 draws to draw us level on points(drop 4 points) or better 2 or more defeats (ha ha) will see us through.......but ONLY if we keep up our part in this.

Goal diff might well come into play so us rattling in a few one of these days would do us very nicely.

If anyone reckons I'm overlooking possible stats \ points please correct me...but it's been a helluva long day!

Hail Hail!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

mcgrory-for-arsenal COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:52 COMMENT-BODY:bejingcelt.et al

hands up.. i got it wrong.
i predicted a while back that strach would only win 1 out of 6 against smith.

we have our pride back.

there was a fire in the belly today. rankers look beat.

well done gordon.

and well done gary caldwell, magnificent performance....again!

i know for a fact that barry and his dad were big blue noses.........
not any more

barry robson... you are a celt my son ;-)
our title challenge was re-ignited with the tackle on dailly and fully lit-up with that courageous penalty

the lurgan bhoy has asked/told the fat lady to sit back down cos..
it aint over, till its over

i always felt strach overcoached inadequate signings...
barry robson shows what can happen when you make a 'good' signing and let him get on with it -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:52 COMMENT-BODY:gordon...you cant beat the late 70s/early 80s..some class stuff in that era..indeed the great band even put out an album... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

minx1888 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:53 COMMENT-BODY:MOTM - DJ in paradise fantastic thunes today :)

Martin42 lovin my blisters!

Enjoy your week bhoys and ghirls life is good! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:55 COMMENT-BODY:nae bread..optimism returned??
a good sign..

STILL STANDING UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the right rev. david hay (preaching pure football) COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:55 COMMENT-BODY:by jove. just in. heavily inebriated.
im glad i didnt throw my towel in ;-)
barry robson & paul hartley...i didnt want them.
barry robson & paul hartley...im glad we have them.
gary caldwell, more a captain than big mick ever will be.
artur boruc.......his last season in hoops.
oh aye, and barry robsons penalty...a big roy moment.
we are making them work for it, but always rememeber...
(sorry paulo) we will never be mastered. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PjDali COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:56 COMMENT-BODY:Nae bread made an **** of my original post as I forgot the mankymob had 6 games or tightropes left to walk....so had to revise the numbers....aherm some seasonal adjustment!

Would agree I can see them dropping points now, they look knackered and we've all seen with our own team what pressure does when you're really feeling it........the fans affect the players and every misplaced pass causes adverse noise.....players will be really feeling it!

If Hibs can open the wound up that bit more next weekend and we cement that 8 point gap on saturday I hope that Untd or M'well can then add the gritty salt in the coming weeks. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:57 COMMENT-BODY:Caldwell is a player. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:59 COMMENT-BODY:What a day

well done to the celts and to my young 4 year old boy who said to me when i got back home that he was glad celtic won.

Wg just woke up mate get the vouchers and the drink during the week.

the pistols -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Nae Bread come on the 'tic! COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 22:59 COMMENT-BODY:Where did you dine tonight whitedog? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:01 COMMENT-BODY:If Artur goes then the man to replce him must be Timo Hilderbrand

Get him for 2 million tops and like his mate Andreas Hinkel is unhappy in Spain. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:02 COMMENT-BODY:AM OFF TO WATCH FULL SPL..PARTY TO BE STARTED LATER... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

whitedoghunch COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:02 COMMENT-BODY:Nae Bread come on the 'tic!

it was the nieces birthday party today so cakes and ices at the grandparents. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BobbyEwing COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:02 COMMENT-BODY:Hail Hail
There are two things which are brilliant about what Artur done today.

1. It ups a mirror right in the face of the anti-catholic fervor that exists in Scotland. No one can critisise his action without themselves being exposed as a bigot. As someone said previously see, Juan Sara, Kaka, Andrews and many other players who brandish religious t-shirts.

However the bigyin knew he was on the wind up. and the goons on real radio and radio snide with be condemning him for weeks.

2. Strachan's response. ..I'd have a problem if it was god save myra hindley. but not... brilliant.

Top Class. I've been convinced for weeks that we are going to win the league. Still am. they employ they same 61% away win record that they have achieved all season and we win.

The hard part is us winning all our games. But I think we can and will.

Ole.
Bobbby. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

zimmerman COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:03 COMMENT-BODY:i got a hold of,.. and held onto the posthumous medal that my grandfather was awarded from de valera for the irish wars...seemed to do the trick...lets hope it works all the way to the title...stand up for the champions. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:03 COMMENT-BODY:Nae Bread and PJDali

The number-one priority, as we all know, is that Celtic must win all three remaining games.

If we do, two draws for them could see it go to goal difference on the last day. Goals in the games ahead, for this reason, matter immensely.

We have a seven-goal advantage at the moment, which sounds great, but if Rangers win five out of seven matches they must, logically, reduce that difference.

By my reckoning, if we win the next two games by a single goal and they win four out of six by a single goal, drawing the other two, we would go into the final game with a five-goal advantage, which would be fantastic.

It would be nerve-jangling on the final day, but I'm sure that after the 0-1 defeat to Motherwell at Celtic Park, every single one of us would have settled for that scenario. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:07 COMMENT-BODY:Nae Bread, thanks for your thanks.

Rimtimtim, on Barry Robson, I’m away to find my friend Bhoy Molloy’s fulsome praise of him.

BigChips, I assume you enjoyed you day.

WGS, Koki might well prove to be the release you are talking about.

Mcgrory-for, well done. A few leaders there too.

Whitedog, “Caldwell is a player”, I’m sure I’ve read that here before from someone in less popular times. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:09 COMMENT-BODY:My thoughts on goal difference:

If we win 3 out of 3 we get to 89 points.

If they win 4 and draw 2 they get to 89 points.

Our goal difference is 54, so 3 narrow wins makes 57.

Their goal difference is 47, so their four wins would need to come by a total of 11 goals to beat us.

St Mirren is to me their only chance of a large win. But if we could win our three games by more than one goal, it could make a big difference in the end. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:10 COMMENT-BODY:Sorry lhads. I messed up too.

Rangers have six games left. I'd be looking for them to win no more than three out of the next five, drawing the other two, taking us into the final day with a six-goal advantage, which would surely mean winning at Tannadice would be enough. Surely.

Trying not to get too ahead of myself.

One game at a time.

LinaMartellCSC -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:12 COMMENT-BODY:typical the golf goes to a play off..hunskelping delayed on setanta -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:13 COMMENT-BODY:Of course, one draw in the next five would still make it very exciting on the last day: us with a goal-difference advantage beating Dundee United by any score, just waiting for big Zander or Jamie Smith to grab a late equaliser at Pittodrie.

Even that is a scenario I think we'd have settled for after the 0-1 defeat to Motherwell. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PjDali COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:15 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic_First;

Goal diff is something the team will surely soon be keeping an eye on!

Not sure where I'd rather be for the last game of the season if we honestly had to really go for it.

Dundee Utd can lose goals but A'deen have also been very poor at times QoS putting 4 past them??

It will be a nerveracking, pant filling day if it goes down to that...but must surely be due a last gasp title after black sunday and 2003. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:18 COMMENT-BODY:What that means is that Celtic have had a pretty marvellous month since that first Saturday. Well done Bhoys.

It's been a real battle to keep the title hopes alive, but we've taken a few giant steps.

Three games to go. Keep it going Bhoys.

WG, don't know about you, but I found myself unable to resist "using up" a Memorare today at the penalty.

I will bombard heaven for the next three games. Whatever it takes. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Emmett COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:19 COMMENT-BODY:Actually thought that Robson should have went off and Samaras on before the penaltybut thats why I play Football Manager and Starchan actually does it...

I've booked my flights over for Hibs game but I'd love to go to BB for drinks before hand..fly in at 8am on sunday so will need something to keep me awake....coffee with whiskey normally helps...Whereabouts is this mytical place..?

I have an image of Paul67 sitting on a big chair at the bar with people paying homage? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

rimtimtim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:If we can beat Motherwell then we can do it.

Rangers will beat Hibs and Celtic will beat Hibs as well. Rangers will draw at home to Motherwell or Dundee Utd and it will come down to the last game of the season. And those final fixtures have a tantalising look about them. Much better opponents than Dumfermline and Kilmarnock or even Motherwell and Hibs, the North East teams against

But first Motherwell eh!!

Or I´ll launch into a version of
E M AIIII,
last track on ra pistlos album!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

rimtimtim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:20 COMMENT-BODY:pistols even

Jilted John coulda been a contender -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

celticlover COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:22 COMMENT-BODY:MATCH REPORT: CELTIC 3 RANGERS 2

PRE-MATCH COMMENT. It’s amazing the difference a 12.30 kick off on a Sunday makes to this game. Last week t you could sense the excitement as walked with the crowds but to-day it was a quieter atmosphere but still a positive one. Only disappointment was in Naylor being included, I would have preferred Wilson. Also had the feeling that McGeady would be the catalyst for victory as I just do not rate Broadfoot.

This was going to be the 379th competitive Celtic v Rangers match and G.S’s 13th Rangers game (hoping that’s not testing fate!).

BORUC ….…….6 A great one handed save in the first minute and then left rather helpless at Ranger’s two goals. After that though it was a pretty quiet day for the Pole. Wonder if anything will be said about his after full time T-shirt which had a picture of the Pope on his back!

HINKEL.... ….. 5 Had a torrid first half defensively and did little in an attacking sense apart from a great long ball which set up the first goal. Had a slightly better second 45 mins.

CALDWELL…. 8 Was outstanding in the last game and kept that performance going with another very influential display. He found Cousin difficult to cope with in the aerial battles but the longer the game went on the more dominant he became.

McMANUS…. …6 Had to go off with an injury in the second half but up until that point he was steady if not impressive. Once again did not display any signs of marshalling his teamates in his role as Captain.

NAYLOR …….….4 If you compared his positive contributions against the negative ones I’m afraid that the latter would be the longer of the two lists.

McGEADY …. …..6 I thought that he would have had a much greater influence on the game that he had but he did supply McDonald with a great pass that set up the second goal.

ROBSON. ……….7 Booked early on in the game but that did not prevent him from exerting a lot of influence the longer the game went on. He demanded the ball when the penalty was given, grabbing it from Samaras, and drilled it in for the winner.

HARTLEY ……… 6 Not as prominent as Robson but went about his business in an effective way.

NAKA…….. …….. 6 The first half passed him by except for a great free kick but he stuck to his task and was a vital player when it became important to show some composure after Celtic scored the 3rd goal.

McDONALD.. ….. 8 MOM For a player who had been going through a bad run of games he certainly picked the right one to rediscover his form! He never stopped trying and his composure when scoring the first goal was top class. His second goal might have benefited from a deflection but at least he had the confidence to go for it. It was his very sensible play which led to the penalty and he also unselfishly set up JVOH for a great chance. Now the 4th top scorer in the history of the SPL.

JVOH…………6 Laid off the ball perfectly to set up McDonald for the first goal but spoiled his performance by failing to bring the ball under control after being set up by McDonald. He also displayed how awkward he is when being asked to control the ball with his feet.

SUBS

SAMARAS …….. 5 Replace JVOH and did not do as much with the ball as I had hoped.

O’DEA ……………5 Replaced McManus and fitted in very well. Wouldn’t mind him being given a run alongside Caldwell

BROWN ………….. 4 I thought he would have replaced Naka but it was Hartley who went off. Did not make any impression on the game.

REF…………. (Thompson) 5 An interesting performance. In the first half, every foul he awarded seemed to go Rangers way but in the second half it started to go Celtic’s way.

THE GAME ……8 Full of excitement, goals, sending offs and a terrific atmosphere.

GOALS ………. 1. A great long ball by Hinkel that was met perfectly by JVOH who flicked it into the path of McDonald. He steadied himself and rifled the ball past Alexander.
2. McGeady cut inside and waited until the time was right to release McDonald who swiveled and looped a ball over the goalie.
3. A very good ball from Naka released McDonald who showed strength and nous to be tumbled over by Broadfoot.
4. The Rangers goals were well delivered corners met well by Weir and Cousin but Celtic’s zonal marking was not too impressive.

COMMENTS ….. 1. The stadium looked great as the sun shone on the righteous and left some in the dark. The banners all added to the wonderful visual experience. The crowd stayed with the team and the team delighted the crowd.
2. G.S. was proved right by leaving Naka on for the last 10 mins as Naka used his skill to walk the clock down. His little shimmy at the end that resulted in the sending off was top drawer.
3. Celtic must ensure they see off Motherwell in next weeks ‘Cup Final’ I’m not sure that Rangers nerve will hold out. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

garygillespieshamstring COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:23 COMMENT-BODY:Well done to all today : players, management and supporters.

All the media rubbish about Gordon Strachan and us disliking him because he was not "celtic minded" is just to cause division in our house.

Some of us are celtic minded because we were brought up in a Celtic supporting household. Others I know came from different backgrounds from me and became celtic minded and are as much "celtic minded" as anyone.

Jimmy Gribben the Celtic trainer said Jock Stein might not come to Celtic because he was not "Celtic minded" because he was a supporter of Edward's lot, not because of his religion.
As Bob Kelly said in his book, he very quickly became celtic minded as did many of our great players and managers.

Henrik and Lubo probably knew little of Celtic but grew to love Celtic like so many others before them.

Gordon Strachan was not Celtic minded because he was a Hibs supporter as a young boy. From some of his comments recently, he has found out in the last two years what Celtic people have had to put up with over the years.

We have always welcomed anyone to our club as long as they were prepared to do their best for us.We should not be giving the media the chance to say anything different.

I have always been behind Gordon Strachan as a manager and will continue to support him. My one issue is his dealings with interviewers. I have no qualms about the way he treats Darnel King and the rest of Murray's lapdogs. However when he treats the Celtic TV people in the same way, Gordon does himself no favours. Maybe someone at the park should remind Gordon that he should not tar all journos with the same brush. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:Enjoy

great goals from a great team -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:24 COMMENT-BODY:Whitedoghunch

That Peter Howson is a bit of a painter.

Peter Howson -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

IBelieve COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:25 COMMENT-BODY:Another great result for this season. Been some tense and exciting games, last minute winners, the works. You really get your moneys worth at Celtic Park! :)
Well done the players, Well done the fans.
This is a young team on the verge of greatness. Keep it up bhoys.
COME ON THE CELTS! Champagne and Fireworks are awaiting... :) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:31 COMMENT-BODY:golf..first hole halved..another 15mins til the games on... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

lurgan53 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:33 COMMENT-BODY:Bhoydell.
OTT? Never! Never ! Never!

Can I say that after watching both reruns @ 6.00 and 9.30 that we were brilliant! And as I type now - with the help of a bottle+ of Shiraz that I am so so sooooooo happy!!!!!!

Many amay heroes. G Caldwell Skippy Barry Robson Aiden ...... can I ask for a word of support for our captain. He looked devaststed after going off - and a lot of poaters have been on his back recently. C'mon lhads and lassies get behind them all. God it was so good to see a Celtic team playing again with passion and belief. And I'll tell you something else. These past two months have been a steep learning curve for Gordon Strachan. Now he knows what being manager of Celtic is all about. I think we're looking at a different man now.Win or loose the SPL - he'll do for me!!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

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The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:35 COMMENT-BODY:Awalk

easy come easy go

tinsiltownbrakeclub -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:37 COMMENT-BODY:Back in from the Game 2 Hours ago 6:30 local time...

To Happy/Humble to say anything...

So i went back and gave Everybody who Posted in the Last 24 Hrs a score/points... took 2 Hrs at second last Name and Blogger F**^%**& F&%#(*** F***&**&*...IT...2 HRS...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

garygillespieshamstring COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:38 COMMENT-BODY:rimtimtim

Can you remember what the connection was between the pistols and the single Why Dont Rankers Sign a Catholic?
I think the band name on the single was the 4-2's, a reference to ten men winning the league but that might be my imagination.

I cant remember if John Lydon or Malcolm McLaren had a hand in it. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Alobundy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:39 COMMENT-BODY:No quarter given, none asked for.

Fat lady sat down?.

Cmon the Hibees. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:arthur..all this talking is only bravado -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

zimmerman COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:40 COMMENT-BODY:"god has been pleased to save us,we pray that he may be pleased to save us to the end,..but we must do our part"...mon the hoops. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:41 COMMENT-BODY:A rankers view of Artur Boruc

Idiot Boruc up to his old tricks

Yet again, the idiot that is Artur Boruc was up to his old tricks. The Polish goalkeeper revealed a 'God Bless The Pope' t-shirt after today's Celtic victory.

I mean, can he not just behave himself for once in an old firm game? Why he needs to act like this I will never know, he needs to grow up. He surely can't get away with this, I hope the SFA come down on him like a ton of bricks.

And before we start getting into this 'he is only showing his beliefs etc etc', let's get one thing straight, he done this for one reason and one reason only, to wind up the Rangers fans. Listen, if I seen a guy walking down Argyle Street with a 'God Bless The Pope' t-shirt, I wouldn't blink and eyelid or give it a second thought. But this guy does it on live tv and in front of thousands of Rangers fans.

I don't believe in any sort of religion, so personally I am not offended by it, but unfortunately, a majority of Rangers fans are, and whether you agree with their view points or not are not relevant, because at the end of the day, if you've got some idiot parading around in a god bless the pope t-shirt in that kind of atmosphere, it COULD cause a riot and it could cause people to be seriously injured or worse.

For that reason, the authorities should hit this guy hard, for one thing, it is not his first offence, it isn't even his second. If I was his manager I would be having serious words with him. Ok, we know you don't like us, but you don't need to wear a t-shirt to prove it. Boruc, you are a prat, plain and simple.

Do you think he would still have unveiled the t-shirt if Rangers had won? Do you know something? He probably would have, he has no brains. If he had any brains he would realise that he could become a target for a hate campaign.

As a decent Rangers fan, I hope that that never ever happens, but let's face it, there are people who follow Rangers who are capable of it. That's why the SFA and whoever else need to come down hard on him and make an example of him, for his own sake if nothing else. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:43 COMMENT-BODY:and while im at it..red car/fountain..discuss

perplexedlyriccsc -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:45 COMMENT-BODY:the spirit of arthur lee...

Napoleon made That Statement B4 Waterloo...!!!

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:45 COMMENT-BODY:Celtic_First

dont know where you live but peter howson has a gallery at the trongate where you can buy original works at reasonable prices

reasonable being a relative term but outwith my personal price range

its called the third step, a reference to his battle with alcoholism i imagine -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

jmyjnstn67 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:45 COMMENT-BODY:Testing -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Thom The Thim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:45 COMMENT-BODY:A most gratifying post script to today's result is the gracious acknowledgement by some previously anti Gordon, Caldwell etc. posters to the efforts these men have put into their game.

I too wavered a bit after the Motherwell game, but I think GS called it right when he called it fear.

I now firmly believe, I think, that we are on the right road, on and off the park.

There is a perception that we, as a club, are not going to be pushed around any more. PL's proactive stand on the extension nonsense put down a marker.

I also liked GS' answer to Lovell's pre or post match reference to Celtic having the full week to prepare.

He said, "Aye, but I wouldn't mind still being in those competitions". Class. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BobbyEwing COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:46 COMMENT-BODY:celticlover. Im not sure I can agree with your analysis.

McGeady although he never delivered a decisive ball was brilliant, kept the whole left side occupied all day.
Hinkel, was SLOW (eh Kojo?) once or twice and got caught. But I think he proved, when he needs too he can move his brain and feet quick enough. He will be fine.

Naylor. Apart from his ridiculous 7 iron to no one he is pretty solid.
JvOH was also ace. hard as.. won lots of headers only thing he made a mess of was the ball McDonald played just behind him where he took too long.

Samaras is 110% skelly ! yes sorry. thats how it is. thats why he hardly got a game at man city, thats why we aint gonna buy him. He's a good lad, got good energy, but has the same skill level as Novo!!! did I say that?! sorry.

As for Hartley and Robson - well they were/are ace. hard as nails and always pass to feet.

Caldwell apart from the possible 3 handballs played well, although I wish he would stop his Beckenbaur complex it really doesnt help him.

Why does Big Mick need to watch the attacker chase him down b4 lauchin it into rowZ? wierd. ODea has a real chance I reckon.

Anyway here's hoping some big money swoops for Duff and Keane !

on yersel Big Mick ! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

jeez_I_thought_blinker_was_pants COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:48 COMMENT-BODY:Garrygillespie.......

I'm pretty sure it was..

Pope Paul & the Romans

Embdy know any different...?

Get that Golf aff!!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Spirit of Arthur Lee COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:49 COMMENT-BODY:Awalk

do you recall a band Endgames

waiting for another chance what a tune -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Стахановец COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:49 COMMENT-BODY:It should be noted we have a few players who are walking a bit of a suspension tightrope should they get another booking or two.

Aiden McGeady is on 9 yellow cards in the league

Massimo Donati is on 8 yellow cards in the league

Scott Brown is on 7 yellow cards in the league

Scott McDonald is on 5 yellow cards in the league

Stephen McManus, John Kennedy and JvoH are on 4 yellow cards.

John Kennedy is injured and Scott McDonald does not have enough games to get another suspension.

That leaves the rest walking a bit of a tightrope. Going into the last game without McManus, Brown, McGeady, JVOH and even Donati would cause a few problems combined with injuries.

However, Samaras would replace JvoH, Brown is no certain start, Donati shouldn't kick another ball and McManus may well be injured anyways. McGeady would be a big loss though.

Compare this with Rangers who only really have Cuellar and McCulloch as a possibility for a final day suspension, and McCulloch is crocked. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGreenTrumpet COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:54 COMMENT-BODY:Paul Hartley: his crack on Bazza Ferguson's ankle in the first half was an interesting one today - the snarling, dirty-when-necessary PH we used to love to hate when playing for the jambos hasn't surfaced much in the Hoops. He made a timely appearance today. How BF hates having his midfield authority questioned - brilliant.

Barry Robson: I am never confident when watching a Celtic player preparing to take a penalty, and yet today there wasn't a doubt in my mind. That's how you take a penalty against the huns. And that's how you celebrate it, as well. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

garygillespieshamstring COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:54 COMMENT-BODY:Jeez

thanks for that, that name rings a bell.

Crax

Am I right in thinking that under the "suspension starts two weeks from the last booking rule", we would need to pick up the bookings next weekend? If so, watch for a card fest at Fir Park.

They will stop at nothing.

There's only one Thomas Murphy. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gogo1967 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:55 COMMENT-BODY:loumacarisbettingslip - Was this a cut and paste job? If not who is this mythical "decent Rang£rs fan" i've never met adecent one!

Isn't it GLORIOUS being a celtic fan?

Gordon
Who LOVES standing up for the champions! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:56 COMMENT-BODY:JVOH...

Has been booked 7 Times since Samaras came in Jan...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Стахановец COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:58 COMMENT-BODY:garygillespieshamstring:

Part of the problem though is that if a suspension is given too late to come into effect this season, it carries over to next season. When that happens, the suspension counts against their record for next season too, and they incur further and lengthier suspensions quicker, that's why Scott McDonald's was so long for the standard 5 yellow cards, due to Motherwell appealing his red card last season and the suspension taking place for the first few games of this season.

We need to maintain discipline or we put ourselves at a disadvantage right away next season. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gogo1967 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 23:59 COMMENT-BODY:I know im only new and maybe i'll ruffle a few feathers but wasn't Gary Caldwell Fan-bloody-tastic today?

He certainly isnt MY 1st choice but since the barca game has he put a foot wrong?

Gordon
Who just LOVES standing up for the champions!
(and is MAJORLY impressed by Caldiniho recently) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Thom The Thim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:00 COMMENT-BODY:Gogo1967 said...

loumacarisbettingslip - Was this a cut and paste job? If not who is this mythical "decent Rang£rs fan" i've never met adecent one!

Stand by for the backlash from the Kumbya CSC. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Dick Byrne COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:00 COMMENT-BODY:Sir,

Whilst watching an episode of the popular American television programme "Frasier" earlier this evening I was struck by the remarkable likeness between the actor Mr. John Mahoney who plays the role of the grumpy, irascible, greeting-faced Martin Crane & Mr. Walter "Watty" Smith, the grumpy, irascible, greeting-faced Manager of Scotland's perenially second best football team.

I wonder if they are by any chance related? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:01 COMMENT-BODY:Gogo1967

was a cut and paste job from a rangers site -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:02 COMMENT-BODY:Question...?

What is Missing in your Life If...

After That Result Today...

Someone can sit down and say yea But He Played Not to Good...?

o1bhoy

wherewereyouinthe90sCSC... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

garygillespieshamstring COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:07 COMMENT-BODY:crax

You are, of course, 100% correct in what you say. I overlooked the consequences for next season completely in my short term greed for another championship.
If Skippy had not been in the position you describe, we might well have beaten Kilmarnock in the first game of the season and not be in the situation in which we currently find ourselves.

hail hail
ggh -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:08 COMMENT-BODY:I actually felt McDonald struck a better penalty last week; tucked nicely into the corner albeit quite softly. It was one of those which if it goes in everyone comments on how cool it was but McGregor went the right way so it's a rubbish penalty. While Robson struck it quite powerfully it was pretty much down the middle and if Alexander hadn't already commited himself to the corner then he would have saved it quite easily I think. My preference for a penalty is struck powerfully towards a corner so I guess if you merged the two penalties it would have been one quality penalty. It doesn't matter because he scored it so nice won Barry! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGreenTrumpet COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:08 COMMENT-BODY:The Holy Goalie:
Hun quoted above commented If he had any brains he would realise that he could become a target for a hate campaign.

Could become the target of a hate campaign? As opposed to now, where they just love the big guy? How would he be able to tell the difference? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Стахановец COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:13 COMMENT-BODY:Every little counts garyg!

Although to be fair, Kilmarnock are pants and we should beat them at home even if we are playing Miller/Zurawski.

However, we also missed McDonald for a few games mid-season bcause of that earlier suspension, and with McGeady, Brown and JvoH being carded all the time, we don't want to be missing them for chunks again next season, especially if we hope to have an extra three or four domestic games by progressing in the domestic cups. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:14 COMMENT-BODY:Is BR now a member of that
illustrious club called

The Huns-Skelpers

Re. paul hartleys tackle on bazza fergushun,was something wee bertie auld would have been proud of -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:14 COMMENT-BODY:Caldwell...

Is Rightly getting Pelters-Sorry Plaudits...

I watched the Last OF Game 4 times Caldwell and Hinkle linked Up as if they had been Teamates for years...

Not as well today But Hinkle is Giving Caldwell space/time that he's never had before...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:18 COMMENT-BODY:Thegreentrumpet

agree seems the decent rankers fan
doesnt make any sense with his
outpouring of indignation of Artur -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGreenTrumpet COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:19 COMMENT-BODY:Lou: surely Skippy is now an official hunskelper too? Although, if I'm being greedy he should've put his foot through the chance at the start of the 2nd half and had a hat-trick. I think we'll forgive him! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

winningemmell COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:19 COMMENT-BODY:Nite ghuys and ghals -

God bless you, God bless Celtic and God bless Sean South

and The Holy Ghoalie

WG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:24 COMMENT-BODY:jim duffy on setanta just said the gary caldwell
handball was deliberate but christian daily's wasn't

dear oh dear oh dear -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

EdwardUrsus COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:24 COMMENT-BODY:Martin42 :- From last thread. Fair enough yiou have every right to be standing up and even dancing tonight. I always say the team that scores the goals deserves the win and although today was a close game you scored the goal that counted. I still think though that your family buying you a comfy chair for the end of the season would be a good investment (if nothing else you can maybe sell it cheap to me if things go otherwise than I hope)

P.S The thought of WinningGemmell skipping down the road is somehow urreal :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

loumacarisbettingslip COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:27 COMMENT-BODY:thegreentrumpet

any celtic player who scores 2 goals against THEM in a game

gains automatic entry into and lifetime membership of

The-Hunskelpers club -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lemons Teeth COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:31 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne
While watching the game I was drawn to the uncanny likeness of these two fellows:
http://tinyurl.com/6abwwl :-) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGreenTrumpet COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:31 COMMENT-BODY:Lou: agreed. And he can always get the hat-trick next season. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TheGreenTrumpet COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:31 COMMENT-BODY:Forza Viola!

Forza Biancoverdi! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Thom The Thim COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:35 COMMENT-BODY:Dick Byrne

How very, very dare you linking that fine upstanding, Morecombe born, Celtic supporting actor with Ol' Snake Eyes.

Remember, we have the Grace of God about us. They don't. It's in the eyes.:>) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:35 COMMENT-BODY:Man Utd...Rankers...

Have Their Eyes on the Wrong Trophy Both won't Win Both...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:46 COMMENT-BODY:bobbyyewing

Samaras may not make it at Celtic but he certainly has more skill than Novo!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJNYfGNqTRE

He's proven so since he's been here -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serutiku COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:47 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Sir J. Stein COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:49 COMMENT-BODY:at least walter has something to fall back on when it all goes belly up

walter at asda -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

MVG COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:51 COMMENT-BODY:Saw all sides of the average Rangers fan today. I tend to drink in the West End when I go to Glasgow but had to fly back tonight so tried to drink in town. Could not get into Failte or The Admiral so me and a couple of pals traipsed down Waterloo St. Walked into a pub and a guy I used to work with was in there. A real Rangers man (runs two supporters buses) shook my hand as I walked in and said Be caredul this is a BIG Rangers shop. I looked around no colours but took his advice and me and my pals left. Contrast and compare two and a half hours later. At Stansted Airport, a fella with Union Flag on hgis shoulders abusing a lad and asking him outside, it turns out this bear had been giving the lad and his girlfriend snide abuse on the plane.(he kept calling her a pig) The bear had two mates with him who were not interested in the slightest, but the union flagged one wanted to take it further, my pal walked between them and the bear said he'd take them both on. His pals were now very embarrassed but the girl and her fella were upset at this absolute joker. He didn't do his team's reputation any favours today, whereas the fella I used to work with enhanced it greatly. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Serutiku COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:53 COMMENT-BODY:The race for the SPL Championship so far...

Starring:

Gordon as Jurgen (Das Kapitan) Prochnow - Celtic as U-96.

Wattie as Gregrory (Capt Ahab) Peck - Rangers as the Pequod.

Just when you think the mighty green and white whale (cunningly disguised as a sub) is done for...

Gordon v Wattie

There again maybe Gordon is Ahab and Wattie Das Kapitan - don't think we'll really know for sure till the season's finally over - the torpedoes at the end looked very similar to our torpedoes today though... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kingoh COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:57 COMMENT-BODY:at23.07 Paul67 said...

Whitedog, “Caldwell is a player”, I’m sure I’ve read that here before from someone in less popular times.

Was that me,Paul????

Glad to see some positive comments about Gary at last. I was beginning to think I only had Kojo for company when it came to my opinion about Caldwell. It really is time to give the guy a break! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Glasgowsellick COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 00:58 COMMENT-BODY:This post has been removed by the author. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

awalkacrosstherooftops COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 02:53 COMMENT-BODY:spirit of arthur lee..

have the album building beauty..total class..also the single shouting out for love..

for you sir..

endgames -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

half and half COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 03:22 COMMENT-BODY:Get up them stairs ya dancer ye!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 03:40 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67

"Lusty"...... I will get back to that in a moment...

Great day.

I do not know what Mick has said or done to upset... (or is that energize) our diminutive Striking Talent .. But its working....
:0)

BarryBhoy....BarryBhoy....BarryBhoy.......
Tenacity.... And no little Guile.
:0)

They have been pushed them to the edge...
Keep pushing and we will win this.

And for you Paul67... an early birthday present...
Roll on the Lusty Month of May
:0) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

fan-a-tic COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 03:47 COMMENT-BODY:SMcD today was one you should be proud of.Likewise GC and BR and honorable mentions to the rest of the team and especially the magnificent support. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 03:58 COMMENT-BODY:What a birthday weekend.

Saturday's outing with my family blended into a fantastic Sunday morning.

Quote from the Pope used by priest at mass this morning. He surely spotted the broad grin on my face.

"The one who has hope lives differently.
The one who hopes has been granted the gift of a new life."

Welcome back to those who were in despair and have resurfaced into the light.

'GG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

PJBhoynyc COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 04:06 COMMENT-BODY:Happy Birthday 'GG

I grinned and waved a thumbs up at a hoops wearing bhoy on 42nd st late this afternoon....He grinned and nodded incessantly.... No words needed to be said.

The Hopes are becoming Tangible again.

G'Night Y'All. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

logger 'GG COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 04:12 COMMENT-BODY:What is it about Murray that ruins promising football managers.
Two of the Mint's former employees are facing relegation fears.

McLeish is third bottom with only two games left. I bet he wishes he'd stayed at Hamden Park.
Le Guen is also third bottom with three games left to play. I bet he wishes he'd never left France.

I bet the cardigan is quivering tonight.
And how well is Souness doing these days?

'GG -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

o1bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 05:47 COMMENT-BODY:"HOPE"

The essence of optimism is that it takes no account of the present, but it is a source of inspiration, of vitality and hope where others have resigned; it enables a man to hold his head high, to claim the future for himself and not to abandon it to his enemy...

o1bhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

georgiebhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 06:35 COMMENT-BODY:Neilybhoy(bath\vale)

just playing catch-up after a long weekend aff work and no internet connection at home, so sorry if you had a reply, but I am from The Renton originally.

How can I help?

G. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Taurangabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 07:14 COMMENT-BODY:mcgrory-for-arsenal 22:52

Big of you mate. You have been given a hard time for being negative on a few occasions but you show your worth when you put your hands up after these last two games. We should never have lost the Ipox game either. Good on ye. I am not going to talk down any Celt until after its all done and dusted but I might have to put one hand up after the end of the season myself.

Nothing much to add to the joy. We know we are a much better team then them and we are a team just starting. Keep the faith.

The twelfth man did us proud yesterday. Keep it up bhoys and ghirls. Give Ghordon and his bhoys everything you have.

hail hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

smashin milk bottle COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 08:54 COMMENT-BODY:GaryGillespiesHamstring:

Re: The classic single "Why dont Rangers sign a Catholic" by Pope Paul and the Romans.

It was Jimmy Lydon (Johnny's brother). This was an offshoot of their band "The 4 B 2's" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

iggyploper COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 08:59 COMMENT-BODY:Just driven to work and had talk sport on the radio, can't beleive what I heard, some scottish chap living in down on Oz (hun) saying that the SFA are bending over backwards to give the spl title to celtic? amongst over things saying the first goal was off side (whatever happened to benifit to the attacking team?) and big jvoh should have been red carded along with aiden? hunbelievable!! talking aboth hunbeliveable, scot booth was shocking, i had to turn the volume off as he was winding me up so much, without doubt he is worse than mark hatley who at least pretended to be a commentator. Hail Hail!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:01 COMMENT-BODY:Hail hail,
what a lovely weekend, like few here I am, celebrating my birthday, 46 today.
Friday - its ok honey go out and have agood time.
Saturday - dragged up town for my present the usual nouveaux middle-class shops - armani, boss, and the ilk - had a brain storm - never in my life have I owned a hoops top, time to remedy this abhoration and into the celtic shop on Argyle St we did venture, a look around the ground floor was frutless nothing caught my eye, try upstairs, upstairs I jolly well sprung like a coiled string, a glance around led me to my top, the cotton hoops with only 67 european champions, no adverts nothing, like a 7 year old I was mesmerised, was told to look around to see if there was anything else I liked, and like the kid was afraid I was being prepared for the worst news I stood my groung till the top was taken from its peg and included with the stuff being carried.
As you probably have gathered the rest of the shop tour was over in a flash I got what I always wanted and never really Knew how much till saturday, I'm chuffed to bits.
Sunday - Bright eyed and bushy tailed with a feeling of opTIMism rarely encountered prior to a glasgow derby, my new lucky hoops top faced its biggest challenge to date, with great pride I pulled on my new lucky hoops top and headed to the dolphin in partich to get the bus, unusually we could not get radio snyde on the bus so knew nothing about the team selection till inside Celtic park, but who was picked was an irrelevance as, yep you guessed it I had on my luck hoops top, anyway towards the 66th minute my faith in my lucky hoops top began to waine (?), and I was just hoping I could wear it back and working out if I wore it to anawy game and we won would it be just a lucky away top for me. How I could ever question my lucky hoops top must be like some people questioning managers and players abilities, slight difference being my new lucky hoops top can only be lucky or not, I think there might be a little more to a playing/managerial career, but like the life expectancy luck does have a lot to do with how I rate them and wether this top is in it for the long haul.
Hail hail and here's to my new lucky hoops top. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

holysoulsalarmclock COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:24 COMMENT-BODY:Apologies if these have already been mentioned. Two things struck me about the match and funny that neither were to do with skill or flair but are nevertheless vital ingredients in a winning team. Paul Hartley's face coming out of the huddle. Barry Robson shouting (raging) at Mick-when Mick was limping about the box-to get on the ground and give everyone a breather. Great stuff. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:25 COMMENT-BODY:Emmet, aye right. Blackfriars St, Merchant City, easy to find.

Kingoh, I may well have been.

PJBhoynyc, :-)

Canamalar, Happy Birthday. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:34 COMMENT-BODY:cheers Paul67 -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

scottishleaf COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:38 COMMENT-BODY:Great win.

Keep the Faith -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bloke109 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:42 COMMENT-BODY:The Sun's front-page headline:

Pope on a Dope

You could not make this up. Scandalous. Whatever the rights and wrongs we may feel about the wearing of the t-shirt, this is pathetic. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:52 COMMENT-BODY:Emmett,

Behave yourself, man.

That view of Paul67 sitting on his throne with every member of the clique paying homage belongs to a deranged poster from the North of England.

If truth be told, the one subject rarely talked about is Celtic.

Do not know who would be in attendance on a Sunday, but am sure there would be more than a few.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:53 COMMENT-BODY:Footballers

And

Football

That's what won the day.

It's so rewarding when you get to see your team play with the style and panache and nous you know they have. It is electrifying to see your team get back to the notion that if needed we could and would have scored more than them.

I relished the futile verbal machinations of Scott Booth as he systematically destroyed his integrity as a commentator with his nanosecond contradictions and his threadbare pursuit of besmirching the Celtic team's win and obvious superiority.

I thought the performance before against them went a large way to remove the invented 'monkey' on our back inregards to Wattie. A pure invention - he holds no hoodoo and has quickly found out that you should not believe what you read about yourself in the papers.

I was dismayed at the continuance of the referee's (Interchangable it would seem) belief that Barry Ferguson can do no wrong - and I shudder to think what the man would have to do to get a card.

Whittaker's tackle(sic) on Nakamura (Who has had two blinders for us) summed up their frustration with themselves and their set-up.

My personal thanks go to Aiden McGeady for the bravery he showed in spite of the mammoth football lesson he was shown last time by Nacho Novo - Aye Right!

Novo your ceiling in ability and football climbs no higher than the one in the tatoo parlour you so readily frequent. A wee fish in a cesspool.

Well done Celtic.

Thank You Celtic.

Onwards

Umc-3-G-L -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 09:57 COMMENT-BODY:The sun is no surprise, the greatest defender of calling jingoism and bigotry/racism free speech, but then only in the best bigoted little country in the world. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the devil plays 4-5-1 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:02 COMMENT-BODY:Delighted with the performance yesterday! Especially 2nd half.

After the Murderwell defeat at Parkhead, the least I expected of the team was to win back some of the faith I had lost by winning the remainder of our games and putting TFOD under real pressure. 2 more to go to achieve that aim. (Gawd that Murderwell defeat hurts!!)

Re the game yesterday, have to admit I was worried the way things were going in the first half. P67 wrote a prior article about Rankers playing style. 1 up front, get the ball forward and attack the 2nd ball with the masses of players they have in midfield. JCD couldn’t win the first ball last wed which allowed us total dominance. Yesterday, Cousin win just about everything in the first 35mins. This hasn’t been unusual this season. I don’t think either Caldwell (who did have a good game yesterday) or McManus are physically strong enough against big centre forwards. The pattern is there….Velicka (Hearts), Miller (Aberdeen), the big lad from Benfica and Cousin yesterday. We have one monster of a centre half at the club – but I’m more likely to get a start than him.

Rankers may move Cousin on in the summer (certainly not for £3m though), but they will bring in a similar type and maybe even better as Cousin is not that great.

Thinking forward to next season, a better version of Bobo is what we need. Heres hoping WGS and the SSM are on it.

Hail Hail!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Theragswerepublicansdisdain COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:03 COMMENT-BODY:Paul and my fellow cqn'ers, the Rangers fans latest ditty is spot on. The famine is over; three in a row and hungry for more. Their famine is only just beginning.

Also can anyone confirm that the tatoo on Bazza's neck is his best before date?

Therags...

G.O.D bless C.Q.N -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:07 COMMENT-BODY:preyed on the momentary weaknesses of Dailly and Kirk Broadfoot,

The Celtic chief executive's initial response to Walter Smith's
savaging on Friday was, apparently, a hearty laugh and the question,
When can I expect the summons?'

Sounds like Tardy Floorboard has lost a bit of wind in his sails. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

TerryO'Neill COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:12 COMMENT-BODY:canamalar happy birthday enjoyed your story it confirmned that the excitement felt as a young boy sometimes can be relived,you made me smile.That cotton Celtic jersey is the one i wear on the few occasions that i pull on the hoops and it always gives me a buzz.

Yesterdays game provided a glimpse of hoe we differ from them.At half time on the top tier Rangers section a large union flag was being unfurled or should i say was trying to be unfurled.

It reminded me of an attempt i made one time to put a duvet inside a duvet cover.The tangled mess that was that flag brought about mirth in the Celtic support and the discomfort of the hapless huns made for a welcome half time diversion.

Finally they unravelled it to a huge ironic cheer from the Celtic support.

The difference is that they would not have the humour or subtlety to cheer. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

tooheys_new COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:30 COMMENT-BODY:After the disaster of Motherwell all I asked was that we made Them at least win th league, not hand it to them. We have done that and more.

Now is the time for a steady hand and grim determination. We must not let it slip.

As others have said Gary Caldwell has been immense the last couple of games. We are all aware of his weaknesses but too often he has shouldered the blame for our captain's shirking of responsibility. Again I thought that yesterday he was lacking in leadership and judegement. But not a time for recrimantions. Onwards to the title. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:32 COMMENT-BODY:He plays on the left -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:33 COMMENT-BODY:He plays on the right -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bazzabhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:35 COMMENT-BODY:Aiden McGeady, he makes the huns look no very good.

Did anyone see him refusing to shake captain unbookables hand twice. brilliant, clean about ye ya bam.. im still pashed.

Oh and by the way.. the people defending scott fud booth...... you for real?????? The man is a fud . -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 10:56 COMMENT-BODY:Today feels like the calm after the storm. Isn't it good to see so many hurting huns?? Those who were confident of taking something from the two games against us are now really worried that the wheels are falling off the bigot bus.

Three wins, bhoys. Give us three more wins. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the devil plays 4-5-1 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:03 COMMENT-BODY:Re Skoosh Boof – I remember he and Eoin Jess were the great white hopes of Scottish Football in the early 90’s as they came through the ranks at Pittodrie.

Eoin Jess was a big blue nose who desperately wanted to join TFOD. It never quite happened. Wonder if his love of the dark side rubbed off on Skoosh Boof.

Eoin Jess latterly went on to achieve the square root of hee haw as a player (despite having ability).

He still had a better career than Skoosh Boof!!

Setanta is really struggling for credibility down south as they try to take on the vastly superior and greatly respected SKY SPORTS. English fans only really care for players from the SPL that they know and respect….Burley may get some as he played in the premiership (though not much as he wasn’t really that good).Butcher will as he is still regarded by some as a great England Player/Captain. Skoosh Boof????

Celtic V TFOD is the big showpiece to try and sell SPL to the English Audience.

Setanta will have to try harder to do that as it will really only be the big names that attract the audiences – by that I mean the likes of Larsson/Sutton/Hartson (others such as Liam Brady and Mick McCarthy come to mind) and on there side Laudrup/Butcher/Souness (I hate him too, but imagine you are trying to sell your core product). Even SAF who used to do summaries on SKY would be worth a shout.

Without bigger TV audience – you get lesser TV revenue which is why Setanta really should be lifting its game from Skoosh Boof!!

HAIL HAIL!! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

tully57 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:07 COMMENT-BODY:Great spirit shown by everyone yesterday - players, manager and fans. There's no feeling like waking up in the morning knowing we've beaten them.

As someone who doesn't always appreciate WGS's attempts at humour in interviews, I absolutely loved his defence of The Holy Goalie when asked about his teeshirt:

"He's not a bad lad, to be fair - the Pope. If it was 'God bless Myra Hindley', I might have a problem"

Well said wee man.

The outrage and fury in the land of "One Scotland, Many Cultures" regarding a tribute from one countryman to another is incredible.

When a Rangers goalie wore a black armband - in a game against Celtic - in memory of a terrorist murderer, it was hardly written about.

Well done The Jungle Bhoys and all the volunteers for a great banner display yesterday. I really believe that lifted our fans and the support we gave yesterday was tremendous. What also lifted us was the vision of Martin42 appearing at the top of the entrance steps in the Upper North Stand roaring out :

"STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS"

Well done Martin - a sight to behold.

Rangers are now a weakened team and their morale is low. They have been forced to play some seriously bad players - none more so then Broadfoot. He is so bad they've started calling him "Chapel".

They will drop the points we need them to drop. Our big challenge is winning our own games. Go on Bhoys.

We Shall Not Be Moved. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

roybainestache COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:10 COMMENT-BODY:the devil plays 4-5-1

Win or lose the title this season we are still only a fwe players away from being a very good team.

Rangers on the other hand have some very big decisions to make.

At the back they won't get away with 4 centre backs accross the defence.

Weir won't go another full season,Cuellar will be touted for the fee and McGregor is 50-50 to go.

Also the style(?) of play has to an extent been found out.

They are hard to break down but if you pace players with skill, pace and who will stand up to them you have a good chance.

The Rangers supporters and press (surely the same) won't give Smith the same leeway next season for the way they play.

If Smith tries to integrate more skill into the midfield team the shape will need to change.

Rangers will have more change this summer then we will,and as we have seen every transfer is a gamble.

Final point.
Good to see us getting the treatment from a hurting press.
The more they dish out the better we are doing.

Did anyone hear Traynor yesterday saying the Paul Hartley did Bazza to agravate his ankle injury?

I wish Celtic would ask the referee from the Aberdeen game to explain why he disallowed Samaras "goal", might shut up the Andy Davis protection Society. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

ianinjesi COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:12 COMMENT-BODY:I think Rangers had let a young Eoin Jess go whereas Scott Booth was frequently mentioned as a target for Celtic.
I still think that Rangers have the edge but all Celtic can do is win the three games, not easy, and hope.
Rangers looked strong yesterday but couldn`t sustain it.
The large banner their supporters had shouldn`t have even mentioned, failing, faltering and weakening. That was poor psychology! :-)I hope they bring it to every match! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

canamalar COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:21 COMMENT-BODY:Terry O'Neill cheers, it was a scratch the surface and we're all wee bhoys who get excited about our true love story.
hai hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

the devil plays 4-5-1 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:29 COMMENT-BODY:roybainestache - agree fully with your points. Just hoping that one of the few players to take us forward is a commanding centre half.

Smith does have a lot of decisions to make in the summer. And I think he will go bigger and stronger. To add more skill would be a risk that he has never taken before. Especially if, as expected, the budget on offer to him is no where near what we are being led to believe. They are the only club I know which continually tells us that the value of their players bought as transfer fee PLUS value of contract over the 3/4 years! The proposed 10m kitty will not get stretch that far with the inclusion of contracts!

Far be it for me to focus on what they will do there...however, i would be seriously looking at the continued lack of performances from captain unbookable. To me he is offering nothing. Just as well he never gets bookings/suspensions as that might force Smiths hand and play another player who'll contribute more!

The suspension of Scott Brown forced WGS to play Robson and Hartley....our season may be transformed on this decision. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

BigChipSuk COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:36 COMMENT-BODY:Paul67, yes it was fhantastic, thanks, in spite of the 8 hours of driving to get there and back... the first time I've done the return journey on the same day! And the weather was infinitely better in Glasgow than it was in Leeds, where I arrived back to a huge thunder & lightning storm.

And special thanks to John Ward for providing me with a ticket to the executive lounge in the North Stand at no charge. John, you are a real gentlemhan! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

porridgeandbananas COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:44 COMMENT-BODY:Paul, thanks for the advice about ensuring your posts don't go missing. I usually highlight my post, right-click and copy in case something happens but last night I never. Beer/Wine + keyboard = disaster usually!

Still feeling good after yesterday. I felt Rangers edged it first half, especially the first half-hour but you knew they couldn't keep that up for 90 minutes, in fact they managed 30 then we dominated completely.

At no time after we took the lead did I feel they were likely to score, and the only had one chance that the wee rat sent wide of goal. It didn't stop me feeling sick inside with worry though even being so comfortable. What I particularly enjoyed about the last 20 minutes was the way in which we kept the ball. very rarely was the ball punted aimlessly upfield, we got into triangles, played simple passes and denied them the ball. If they don't have it, they don't score.

I've only watched the last couple of minutes of the game again, just at the point where Fergushun fouls Skippy. He turns to the ref who is no more than 5 yards away and shouts 'I never fing touched him ya fing c'. It just proves how much of a free rein he has. What was particularly funny was when he gave away the free kick Whittaker comes into shot, pointing at his head to Fergushun as if to say 'Keep The Heid'. This from the guy whose team, already down to the bare bones, goes and gets himself sent off with 10 seconds of the match to go!

I just hope we keep it up for the next 3 games and who knows what might happen. I firmly believe they will drop points as next week is now a must-win for Hibs, especially with the chance that we will beat Motherwell. They never usually find Easter Rd that easy so after being dumped from the UEFA (hopefully after extra-time) on Thursday hopefully thats the first of the 4 points we need dropped.

Zimmerman...if you're lurking....and if you are the same zimmerman I know.....you still have my video! haha. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

MikeyBhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:46 COMMENT-BODY:Just rewatching the game looking to spot the things I missed first time around and subsequently mentioned on here.

The SMcD 2nd goal celebration when Big Mick comes over is a strange one indeed. I'm in two minds as to whether SMcD is genuinely peeved that Mick is trying to congratulate him and pushes him away, or that he is just so pumped up after his goal that its just playful aggression.

However he then goes and celebrates with Barry Robson and its all touchy feely again.

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Theragswerepublicansdisdain COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:49 COMMENT-BODY:BigChipSuk,

Although the weather was awful here in Leeds, the sun was shining at full time.

Therags... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

St-Gris COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:50 COMMENT-BODY:See the extension that no-one at rangers had asked for - Is that the same extension that Walter/rangers had asked to go to May 27th.

Or have i got it completely.

Come on Walter - you want Peter Lawell to come clean. Clean your own doorstep first.

Whens the deadline for applying to extend the extension? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Madra Rua COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:51 COMMENT-BODY:Woo Hoo, I’m still half p*ssed !
What a game, we tore them apart.
What a pity Hartley wasn’t our captain this year.
If he, Bobo and O’Dea were first on the sheet, we would have the league won.
Anyway, I watched the game in a local bar, followed by the Munster rugby match.
Eventually got home at 1am. Fell asleep on the chair, woke up, freezing, at 4.30am.
I’m now DYING in work.
Never mind, I have yesterdays dinner to look forward to.
The match? I thought we gave away two very soft goals, apart from that, Artur could have had the day off, (loved the t-shirt).
McDonald was excellent, as was McGeady.
It will take a plastic surgeon to get the smile off my face, Well done Bhoys.
Now let the Gods do as they will.
If we win the league, it will be our greatest victory in years, if not, we have at least restored our pride. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Ulysses McGhee COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 11:58 COMMENT-BODY:I'm off work - long weekend - and what a weekend!

But I'm now basking in my parting comment (Friday) to two workmates (one colleague, one manager) both govanites.

I turned in the car park and shouted

'Sunday. Scott McDonald. When he breaks your hearts at lunch time. I want you to remember I told you it would happen. And I want you to picture my smiling face.'

'Never gonna effin happen mate. Never.'

'Just remember I told you it would happen and picture my smiling face' -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:00 COMMENT-BODY:new article posted. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

madeira bhoy COMMENT-DATE:28/04/08 12:24 COMMENT-BODY:The Sun headline really p##### me off, as previously idiots like Frazer of ProdFA wishart.

Lets be honest Boruc does it to wind them up. But why shouldnt he, its them that have the problem.

Would Frazer Wishart have condemned Rosa Parks, she knew that refusing to move from her seat would wind up the racists, it did cause civil unrest. Was it her fault or the fault of the racist americans at that time.

Does he condemn homosexuals who show affection in public, knowing that homophobes will be angry at seeing it.

Im surprised there has been no move to remove him from his position. How can he stay in a position when he only sees his job to be the defender of one side, and generally the wrong side. -------- TITLE: Celtic 3-2 Rangers, 27 April 2008 AUTHOR: Paul67 DATE: 4/27/2008 05:12:00 PM ----- BODY: Scott McDonald scored twice and won a penalty, converted by Barry Robson, as Celtic beat Rangers 3-2, the first time they have come from behind to beat Rangers in 15 years. McDonald opened the scoring after only three minutes after Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink set him clear with only Neil Alexander in the Rangers goal to beat. Rangers responded to going behind positively and used two successive free kicks outside the Celtic box to apply pressure. Artur Boruc was forced to palm the ball away from his area after an early Rangers corner before Davie Weir headed an excellent Steven Davis corner into the net to pull Rangers level. Shunsuke Nakamura almost gave Celtic the lead again with a free kick from a tight angle that Alexander punched away on the line before Rangers scored again. Davis found Danny Cousin with a near-post corner, who headed Rangers into the lead on 29 minutes. At this point Rangers were in the ascendancy with their extra man in midfield allowing them to force the play and pressure Celtic players into making mistakes. Aiden McGeady changed the pattern of play by committing defenders down the Rangers right and it was from such a move that Celtic drew level. McGeady cut inside and passed to McDonald who had his back to goal. The Australian international knocked the ball two yards to his left before swinging round and cracking a shot high into the Rangers net. The goal was a mirror of Nakamura’s shot that was punched off the line against Rangers 11 days ago. Nacho Novo missed what looked like a league winning chance in the second half when the ball broke free to him inside the box after Danny Cousin crossed from the left, but Novo shot wide; this was to be Rangers last genuine chance. Early in the second half Scott McDonald got behind his defender inside the box but the chance was lost when he sent an awkward cross to Vennegoor of Hesselink. On 70 minutes the same situation presented itself but this time McDonald kept his body between defender and ball, and was barged to the ground by a clumsy Kirk Broadfoot; penalty to Celtic! Barry Robson, who had another outstanding game, grabbed the ball this time and sent a thunderous shot straight into the middle of the goal, which Neil Alexander was wise to dive away from. The final 20 minutes were nail biting for the home support but Celtic never looked like conceding a goal and ran the clock down with some intelligent possession football. In the final minutes McDonald twice won free kicks by shielding the ball and being barged to the ground for his efforts before a tired looking Steven Whittaker hacked Nakamura in a similar incident and received his second yellow card of the game in the 93rd minute.

Labels: Match Report

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Wireman COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:14 COMMENT-BODY:First? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

The Narrowbhoat Tim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:16 COMMENT-BODY:From previous thread

WGS commentating on Arturs T-Shirt to the Daily Mail.

"Celtic manager Gordon Strachan made light of the antics of his goalkeeper Artur Boruc who revealed a 'God bless the Pope' T-shirt following the 3-2 win over R****rs at Parkhead.

After the game the Poland international, nicknamed the 'Holy Goalie' by the Celtic fans, took his goalkeeping shirt off to show the t-shirt with a picture of the Pope and accompanying slogan.

But Strachan joked: "He's not a bad lad, to be fair (the Pope). "If it was 'God bless Myra Hindley', I might have a problem."

God Bless Gordon Strachan CSC

Holy Goalie -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

chennaiseabird COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:21 COMMENT-BODY:Danny??

Nacho No Pockets. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Glasgowsellick COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:22 COMMENT-BODY:30th Birthday today and what a wonderful gift!! It is so much sweeter when you ram their 'bouncy...' down their throats.

Artur Boruc, you are a legend!!

Well done everyone today.

Off now to celebrate... twice!!

Paul, great work you have been putting in, over the last couple of months especially!!

Your efforts are appreciated!!

Hail Hail. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Lubo COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:23 COMMENT-BODY:My Paranoia pills are not working anymore. Successive penalties and red cards against them!

Great result today, we deserved the win. Barry Robson was magniificent in the second half. Skippy looks back to his best.

Is it a coincidence that the new found "spirit" returned at the same time as Neil Lennon?

Lubo.

BTW... Were my eyes playing tricks or did anyone else see WGS with a packet of Wine Gums before the end? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:26 COMMENT-BODY:Is WGS a secret Sex Pistols fan?

"God save Myra Hindley
And God save Ian Brady
Even though he's horrible
And she ain't what you'd call a lady" -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dub-tim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:29 COMMENT-BODY:lubo, you forget that we had another two pen claims wrongfully dismissed. your pills do work, you just need to up the dosage... -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hoopsIdiditagain COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:30 COMMENT-BODY:Now I'm looking forward to going to work tomorrow.
WELL DONE LADS.
Last time I posted I said the team had no bottle, they have now proved me wrong. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Martin42 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:35 COMMENT-BODY:EdwardU,

I have been "STANDING UP" now for nearly three years and I have no intention "SITTING DOWN" which is` for losers and I really think that if we are not the losers, then it can only be one other team.

I wonder which team that can be?

Edward, keep your spirits up, there is always next year.

However, Edward, I am sure you know the formula by now, 2 in a row is achieved often, 3 in a row seldom and when it is, the team goes on to 9 in a row.

What a depressing thought for you.

STAND UP FOR THE CHAMPIONS,

Martin.

PS,

What is this gout, Edward, I spoke to Winningemmell after the game and he was skipping all the way down the London Road.

Martin. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

hail hail COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:39 COMMENT-BODY:Let the People Sing

Hail Hail -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

gweedorebhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:40 COMMENT-BODY:Fantastic result great to see the huns get it right up them.

Great performance by the DJ about time we had some back to basics songs. Also under pressure at the end complemented the holy goalie who i fear by his reaction may have said his old firm farewell.

Very tense day but thank god we managed to win. Now over to hibs and motherwell. We may lose this league but at least we know what we have to fix next year.

We must ensure that we do not over look the things that must be addressed

Hinkle and naylor looked poor today and whilst caldwell was very good mcmanus was shocking at the first goal and has no distribution other than a pass to naylor.

Also if GG is on the go for £3million we have to say no thanks.

Robson caldwell and skippy all amazing.

Well done celtic

Also took a drive through harthill on way home just to noise the scum up. It's true i could not see a handsome hun!

Brilliant. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:41 COMMENT-BODY:What a great day - and praise due for Gordon Strachan and all the players.

Couple of wee points - Neil Alexander looked very nervous to me in the tunnel (I was confined to Setanta). That can't have done him any good today.

David Weir's demeanour as he trudged off at half-time spoke volumes, I think. He looked a beaten man with 45 minutes to play.

Crisis - (n) Any state of being requiring the introduction of Amdy Faye. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

lurgan53 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:44 COMMENT-BODY:Lubo
I was thinking the same thing re Lennon's return. But the plaudits should go where they belong - stand up Mr Gordon Strachan.

Setanta are showing a rerun at 9.30pm. I have a lovely bottle of Shiraz awaiting - kept off the soup last night in anticipation of a favourable result. Looking forward to watching it again minus the nerves. Even the wife says shes going to watch it as well!
She might do - but she's not getting any of my Shiraz!!

Still standing! Still Proud! So so proud. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:44 COMMENT-BODY:gweedorebhoy: You might be right about Artur but that's for another day.

Who is GG? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

WGS COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:47 COMMENT-BODY:Game on Setanta 2 at 6pm -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

gweedorebhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:48 COMMENT-BODY:one star means more

Samaras -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Gordon_J COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:49 COMMENT-BODY:What a great day to be a Celtic fan. The sun shining, YNWA ringing around the ground and our heroes giving us the result we craved. I count myslelf so lucky to have been in paradise today.

And I can't wait to watch it all over again tonight! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:50 COMMENT-BODY:I saw her today at the reception
A glass of wine in her hand
I knew she was gonna meet her connection
At her feet was a footloose man
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need
And I went down to the demonstration
To get my fair share of abuse
Singing, were gonna vent our frustration
If we dont were gonna blow a 50-amp fuse
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
I went down to the chelsea drugstore
To get your prescription filled
I was standing in line with mr. jimmy
And man, did he look pretty ill
We decided that we would have a soda
My favorite flavor, cherry red
I sung my song to mr. jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was dead
I said to him
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You get what you need
You get what you need--yeah, oh baby
I saw her today at the reception
In her glass was a bleeding man
She was practiced at the art of deception
Well I could tell by her blood-stained hands
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
You get what you need
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
You cant always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you just might find
You just might find
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One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:51 COMMENT-BODY:If I'm not mistook, the last time we played THEM at this time on a Sunday, The Herald had a "Breaking news" report on its website.

Can't think what should be different this time. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Billy Stark's Telescopic Heid COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:52 COMMENT-BODY:Great effort in today's performance. Skippy was great. McGeady scared them to death even though his passing was off today. Huns at breaking point - lets go get em!

Artur Boruc - you are legend. Let's see how Scotland's Shame and the Shamettes in the media like them apples. With twisted logic and rage I'll warrant.

One disappointment today - confirmation (as if were needed) that Mick can't defend his box. Time for a change - 2 years of this now - not good enough. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

caeser1967 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:52 COMMENT-BODY:Mr SFTB (from previous thread)

From the previous thread.
I did not use the drought word with reference to our strikers - you did, are you a tabloid (or broadsheet) writer.

I personally have little faith in JVOH's ability. Although he has averaged 1 in 2 over the dozen or so games. Which i guess you cannot grumble at.
Samaras, have to say jury still out, seems to drift out of the danger area to often and to easily. £3M+, uncertain!
Was honking last week Vs Aberdeen goal apart when he got his chance to start.

So i will 100% stick to my original notion that i hope that skippy has got his confidence and shooting boots back on over the coming 3 weeks. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:53 COMMENT-BODY:Novo was wearing pocketless shorts

whereas Aiden had old fashioned rugby shorts on , the one`s with two pockets , one for ned novo and the other for bentfoot

i had a great day

up to Glasgow for 10 mass at St Alphonsus

some breakfast

hump the huns

back home in time to see Munster reach the Euro cup final ....i`m at a stag in Galway last weekend in May which is the date of the Final

an injury to Weir and a sending off for Whittaker

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Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:54 COMMENT-BODY:Message for BoltonBhoy

Valladolid just scored in the third minute of stoppage time. Jonathan was the scorer.

“Pucela, pucela, pucela,” ringing out.

Valladolid 1-0 Almería. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

setting free the bears COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 17:59 COMMENT-BODY:Caesar

I quoted you accurately.

You said:-

"The other 2 dont look like weighing in with ,any goals at the moment."

I feel that is a ridiculous statement since Samaras scored last week and JVOH the week before.

So, if drought is not an accurate summary word for your assertion, what exactly do you mean by "at the moment"?

Nobody scores goals that count in the week between fixtures. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

bournesouprecipe COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:00 COMMENT-BODY:here is the Celtic Message -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Bhoy Sean COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:01 COMMENT-BODY:I'm soo over the moon after that result. I can't wait to watch the re-run on CH67 at midnight.

Caeser1967

In defence of Jan, He has averaged a goal every 1.8 games over 49 matches. He has averaged a goal every 2.2 games over 396 games in his career. It's pretty impressive. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Kojo COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:01 COMMENT-BODY:Sir Paul

Just caught the game... a much too early start,for this part of the woild....It was... well...too early!

That, being said... on with the SHOW!

I am sorry, but if I must,then ....why not?

Now, do the following observations sound all too familiar?

"TACTICS? SMACKTICS!"

"It is NOT the FAULT OF THE MANAGER!

IT IS THE FAULT OF THE PLAYERS!"

and this from 3 weeks ago....

"The Celtic will smash the G.A. on Wednesday!"

"And THEY soitenly did, Ollie"
"Yes, Stanley,THEY soitenly did!"

And now comes the rhetorical ""Why"...

WHY?

Remember, when I said?...

"Because Celtic... they have touched bottom...
THEY HAVE HEARD THE RUSTLE OF ANGEL FEATHERS!"

and the following particular exclaimation, has been repeated by me,at times... during the past THREE MONTHS...

" I LUV GARY CALDWELL... Gary Caldwell is one of my FIRM FAVORITES!"

And all of these statements have been coming from a guy, who has NEVAH PLAYED THE GAME!

My only sport..besides GAWF.... being..... TEN PIN BOWLING!

I am feeling mighty vindicated.... SMUGITY! SMUGITY!

Although, I have been indeedly, prescient... I am not by any means.. Poifect!

I do admit to being ....probably.. Na!... the very FOIST... FLINGER of Fickle Flying Haberdashery, on this Forum!

A Premature Ejection,NOT to mention... a DEPLORABLE Rejection of FAITH!.... So, I will not Mention it!

Oh!Well!

I have inserted this regrettable action on my part... to show that even I ...can call it wrong...on occasion!

Todays, game?

Luvved it! Luvved it! Luvved it!

It had everything!

High DRAMA... High ANXIETY...

High Jinks!

The Jinky Part?....

Why Arthur's Crowning Crow..!Isn't HE SUMPTIN'?

How many games do we have to play?

Is it Four?

Anyway, I am confident that we shall win them all...

Howevvvvvvvvvvvvvvah!

I will leave the final denouement of this saga,nestling, in the lap of the Gods!

Now Gabriella,my dear... where did I put that DRAMBUIE?

Kojo. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

HHBhoy COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:02 COMMENT-BODY:Hi Paul, I hope you don’t mind me posting this again I didn’t notice your new article comment :- )

It looks like the Fod are getting their December at long last; I just hope it takes a few points off them as it did to us. Given the choice I’d still rather be in their shoes, but wouldn’t be too confident about the next few games they have to play. Interestingly enough we have shown bottle when it counts, and rose to the occasion and got our 6 points. The Fod have tried to get away without losing and lost. Now both teams are in the position of not daring to drop points. We have what it takes, and believe we will accumulate the remaining 9 we need. Can the Fod do that? No, I don’t think so, as shown here today they are shaky, and it could well be, come next weekend that we indeed will push father ahead. We have the beating of Motherwell, I can see them losing away to Hibs, (after losing to Fiorentina).
3 defeats in a row for the Fod will be too much for them – the team, Wattie-face and the Orcs.
A complete meltdown is around the corner, it started last week, and we’ve put more coal on the fire.
It was a sweet result today. Well done to the team, the fans and Gordon Strachan.

HHBhoy -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

pfayr COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:02 COMMENT-BODY:billy stark

mick was dreadful..his injury may keep him out....... he should however be dropped but that was never going to happen despite his poor form

Caldwell was again excellent and apart from the first half hour had control of Cousin

BTW ...couldn`t beleive that BB wasn`t on the bench

both full backs were crap with Hinkel (who had really been coming on to a game )being particularly rank ....to be fair didn`t look fit
Naylor...what does MW have to do to get a game ..this guy gets away with murder in a Celtic shirt

and whoever mentioned the DJ... spot on ...great tunes created a wonderful atmosphere

still buzzing -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

One Star Means More COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:05 COMMENT-BODY:Just a few hours after our most important win for many moons and the blame and bickering starts. Just enjoy it, can't you? -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

mpre27 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:06 COMMENT-BODY:Fantastic!!! Congratulations!

C´mon the Hoops! -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

geebee1978 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:08 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo...

Weren't you also the original "Towel-thrower"?

We'll see whether or not your ball was crystal come the end of May ;) -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Greenwells Glory COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:14 COMMENT-BODY:Kojo my man great result
Angel feathers :- The incomparable Jimmy Cagney in " Come fill my cup"
(If I'm not mistaken)
Yer Pal Greenwells who has partaken of too much common beer but has a fine Dalmore cigar malt to look forwar to when he sobers up
Let us ride the river with sand in our collective craws Greenwells -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Paul67 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:15 COMMENT-BODY:Glasgowsellick, Happy Birthday.

Kojo, agree, Gary Caldwell is in outstanding form.

HHBhoy, aye, we had the injury problems in December, they are having them not.

Pfayr, Bobo would have been on the bench but for the U-21 rule. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

caeser1967 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:16 COMMENT-BODY:SFTB - Sorry gramatical/typo error.
To many MGD's post match

hit , instead of m

Statement should have read
"The other 2 dont look like weighing in with Many goals at the moment." not ,any.

Boy Sean - thanx for the stat attack on Jan thats a surprise to me. Cannot argue wae stats like that.

I questioned his goals in big games ratio.

But with recent goals Vs barca and hun hopefully he can continue with this trend.

Still think skippy is best goal hope for remainder and sincerely hope he has confidence back and shooting boots back. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:16 COMMENT-BODY:Real Madrid fans are gathering at the Plaza Cibeles in central Madrid where they celebrate their triumphs. Atlético fans take the next fountain along the Paseo del Prado, Neptuno.

Betis-Villarreal kicked off 15 minutes ago. If Villarreal fail to win, Real Madrid, who kick off at eight our time, need to beat Athletic Bilbao to be champions with four games to spare.

Could be an especially good weekend for Winningemmell: Celtic beat Rangers, Man Utd and Barcelona lose and Real Madrid clinch the title. All that plus all those Teser vouchers. All the atheists must be wondering if there is something in religion after all.

Couldn't happen to a nicer mhan. If Real Madrid win, fair play. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

caeser1967 COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:17 COMMENT-BODY:How sore the terrible capitulation Vs 10 man Motherwell 3 weeks ago at home. How costly. With these 3 points I would have made us favourites at this stage. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

Celtic_First COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:18 COMMENT-BODY:Villarreal have scored. Goal of the season.

Marco Senna scored from the centre circle.

Even the Betis fans have stood up and applauded the goal. -------- COMMENT-AUTHOR:

dub-tim COMMENT-DATE:27/04/08 18:21 COMMENT-BODY:i see, and hear, the rangers fans kept up their form of spouting garbage. again, they felt they needed to remind everyone that the famine is ov