Reacting to adversity

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I like Scott Brown and Leigh Griffiths’ reactions to our recent adversity.  It says a lot about them.  They both personalise responsibility for what happens next, this is an important part of recovery – and success.

A week ago I wrote that the League Cup semi against Ross County was the biggest game in the rest of our season, and that it wasn’t a game I’d bet on.  It provided the toxicity cup football can generate, creating a crisis mentality which rolled into Aberdeen on Wednesday.

This psychological phenomenon has to end now.  Feel free to put a date in June in the diary to get back to it.  We are in a genuine league title contest, something you and I talked about as a great thing for Scottish football not so long ago.  We have no God given right to be miles ahead of anyone.  We are here because we’ve made mistakes and an opponent stepped up.  Welcome to Celtic.

If you want to open an inquest when the patient catches a cold, knock yourself out, but I’m not up for it.  If we want this title, we circle the wagons and give the manager and players the encouragement they need to get the job done (and, erm, that includes you, ‘Phyllis’).  You can be sure Aberdeen fans will do nothing less.

Tomorrow the focus switches to Perth, where Aberdeen take on St Johnstone.  They won their first 8 league games this season, but the wheels came off the tractor immediately after their most important victory away from home – at Tynecastle.  Next up was a League Cup game against Hibs, the loss of which plunged them into a five-week chasm.

They are a team who get notoriously nervous just when they begin to think they are in with a chance.  We’ll see what Tommy Wright does with them tomorrow.

Enjoy your football.  Enjoy this league race, the challenge and the disappointments.  Enjoy that thrill when a goal goes against Aberdeen, or the downer when they score.  It will make the finale all the more rewarding, I promise you.

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  1. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    1998-11-07: Celtic 6-1 Dundee, Premier LeagueThis is a featured page

     

    Match Pictures | Matches: 1998 – 1999 | 1998-1999 Pictures

     

    Trivia

     

    Celtic were hoping that Gould’s knee injury from the Zurich game was not as bad as thought. He had a scan on the damaged knee and when medial ligament damage was found he was expected to be out for at least a month. Gould picked up the injury when colliding with Stephane Mahe for Zurich’s first goal.

     

    The Record announced that Mark Viduka had been signed from Croatia Zagreb for £3.5million and was awaiting a work permit.

     

    Having flitted about on the edge of the team for too long and being far from a fans favourite, it looked like Darren Jackson was headed away to Wolves, initially on a three month loan with a view to permanence. The move fell through when Wolves sacked manager Mark McGhee.

     

    Rumours emerged that the club was making a bid to bring Johan Mjallby from AIK Stockholm.

     

    The injury situation was getting pretty grim with Gould injured and subbed in the previous game against FC Zurich. With Kerr also tearing a ligament in his hand during training McCondichie came in from the Under-21s, Rieper (ankle), Annoni (hamstring), Blinker (groin) and Stubbs (groin) were still absent, Burley had picked up a groin strain. Burchill was a preferred starter to Brattbakk; Mahe was suspended following his red against Kilmarnock. Boyd came back into the squad along with Riseth and Moravcik.

     

    This was Moravcik’s debut game.

     

    The pre-match Press conference became heated with persistent questioning of Dr Jo not on team matters but matters connected to finance at the club and the bringing in of new players.

     

    Just an hour before kick off it was announced, to great jubilation by the majority of the Celtic support, that Jock Brown had resigned as General Manager

     

     

    Review

     

    No one saw this result coming particularly as Dundee had beaten Hearts the previous week and were on a five game unbeaten run. Two penalties, three goals for Larsson, two for starting-debut bhoy Burchill, an excellent debut for Moravcik, Barry Smith sent off for Dundee and Jock Brown’s resignation all made for a very nice day out.

     

     

    Teams

     

    Celtic:

     

    McCondichie, Boyd , McNamara, Larsson, O’Donnell, Donnelly, Lambert, McKinlay, Moravcik (McBride 69), Burchill (Brattbakk 85), Riseth.

     

    Subs Not Used: Jackson, Hannah, Crossley.

     

    Goals: Larsson 9 pen, 18 pen, Burchill 27, 53, Larsson 58, Donnelly 65.

     

    Booked: Boyd (Celtic)

     

     

    Dundee:

     

    Douglas, Smith, Irvine, Anderson (Raeside 73), Annand, McInally, Falconer, McSkimming, Miller, Rae (Grant 73), Hunter.

     

    Subs Not Used: Magee, Coyne, Langfield.

     

    Goals: Annand 21.

     

    Booked: Hunter, Annand, McInally, Raeside (Dundee)

     

    Sent Off: Smith (18) Dundee

     

     

    Ref: S Dougal (Glasgow

     

    Att: 58,093

     

     

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    Match Report(see below)

     

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    Celtic Dundee

     

    Bookings 1 4

     

    Reds 0 1

     

    Fouls 9 10

     

    Shots on Target 11 2

     

    Corners 11 0

     

    Offside 5 1

     

     

     

    Celtic rise from the dead

     

    Celtic 6 – Dundee 1

     

     

    Scotland on Sunday 08/11/1998

     

     

    CELTIC are a club characterised by crazy days, the sort so often laced with darkly comic undertones.

     

     

    And so it was that only an hour or so after Jock Brown’s loveless life as Celtic General Manager came to an end a quite astonishing afternoon should ensue in which the team and their supporters so happy to have him leave them behind danced on his grave.

     

     

    Indeed, the home punters took their seats no doubt relishing the opportunity, in song at least, to bury Brown. Instead, six goals for their side to the good later, they were praising and clearly believing a symbolic burial and birth were inter-related.

     

     

    If the atmosphere, initially at least, for the first match of Celtic PB – post Brown, natch -was not quite carnival it was certainly free of the carnaptious element that has made Celtic matches in their citadel this season so gruff.

     

     

    There are many who viewed Brown as believing himself rather too close to a god-like figure in his erstwhile football role. But that the gods were conspiring against the Celtic GM who has ceased to be such was summed up by 90 minutes played by those chosen by head coach Dr Jozef Venglos.

     

     

    Like men freed from the shackles of an oppressive regime, the 11 whirling dervishes in green and white performed as if their every action was marked out by a joy of simply being alive. Celtic bristled with intent from the kick off, swanning over Dundee before quite simply swamping them. The Dens Park side, who had lost only once in their previous five games, for so long looked as if they would have rather been somewhere else…anywhere else. And, where the passing of Brown was concerned, enough ironies toppled down on top of one another in the course of the 6-1 victory to have Alanis Morissette wetting herself. Not once during the 18-month era of Brown did Celtic manage to score six times in a match, yet the ink was hardly dry on his resignation press release before such was achieved.

     

     

    That the win was underpinned by a two-goal debut from Mark Burchill, one of many players with whom Brown struggled in contract talks, and new signing Lubomir Moravcik, whose 300,000 signing from MSV Duisburg three weeks ago fuelled the fans’ anger towards Brown, who they perceived as attempting to do things on the cheap, really did represent nose-thumbing in the direction of the departed official.

     

     

    It was a day of levity all round for those of a green-and-white disposition, this extending even to head coach Venglos who refused to play ball when questioned about the effect of Brown’s departure on what he conceded was the best performance of a Celtic team in his time in charge.

     

     

    The Slovak spoke of the “invective” he has been forced to deal with in his time in Scotland (surely even Venglos’s vocabulary wasn’t given a spurt by Brown’s bombing?) and pleaded with the press simply to enjoy the moment. “Don’t spoil it all with the questions I have been asked for the past three months. Let me enjoy the performance. I have a smile on my face, you have a smile on your face, enjoy yourself and relax,” he smiled.

     

     

    And it was smiles all round Celtic Park from as early as the eighth minute when Burchill cutely flicked the ball into the box before hustled by Gordon Hunter with referee Stuart Dougal adjudging the challenge serious enough to award a spot kick, that Henrik Larsson coolly converted. A harsh award, as it seemed the official was intent on making life after Brown sweet for Celtic. This impression was given further credence when he red-carded Barry Smith for giving the 18-year-old Celtic striker a full body search in mid air in the incident that brought penalty No 2 and conversion No2 for the Swede. A tad harsh on the Dundee defender perhaps with the Celt not fully in control of the ball. Two down, a man short and only 18 minutes on the clock suddenly turned the game into, Dens boss Jocky Scott conceded afterwards, “a damage limitation exercise”.

     

     

    That they could not limit the damage was in part the result of a delightful debut from 33-year-old Moravcik, the kind of continental midfield orchestrator who doesn’t so much hit passes as lovingly craft them and, after Eddie Annand had snuck in behind the makeshift Celtic defence to slam home a shot to pull back a goal in the 22nd minute, it was the rare vision of the Slovak that pushed the contest beyond the visitors once more with a wave of the wand that doubles up for his foot to send Burchill clear for a slamming finish in the 27th minute.

     

     

    Celtic’s pressure was incessant and within 10 minutes of the second half they had made it 4-1. The razor-sharp Burchill once again showed himself capable of all the things that the striker he was replacing, Harald Brattbakk, had found so difficult, when he controlled a cross with his left foot and tucked the ball away with his right. Within five minutes Celtic had made it six, an outrageous curling ball to the back post from Moravcik providing Larsson with his hat-trick before Simon Donnelly played keepy-uppy in the box prior to planting the ball wide of Robert Douglas.

     

     

    Manager Interview

     

    Dr Jo Venglos post match:

     

    “I am pleased with the way the team played against Dundee. It was good to see the players enjoy themselves. Please don’t ask me about other things, about all the things happening off the field. Ask me about the game. Just let me relax. “

     

     

    “I know who is a good player and who is not. This is only a beginning. There will be more difficult games ahead but Lubomir can handle it.

     

    ”Overrall this was the best performance we have had since I arrived. It was skillful and the team, played well as a group.

     

    “We had good finishing, good passing and plenty of goal opportunities which I have always said is the main thing.”

     

     

    “Every game is different but I was pleased with Mark Burchill’s performance and his qualities. With the support of the other players he was able to express himself very well but every game is different.”

  2. Gerryfaethebrig on

    Mark Wilson on stupid silly bull*** (ssb)

     

     

    The manager (talking about Ronny) has to be animated, the players don’t respond unless they see the manager animated, Man City are cuffed as that Pep guy canny manage as I haven’t saw Pep being animated yet

  3. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Greenpiñata,

     

    We don’t know if he was or not but would anyone who takes it upon themselves to report a driver who has been drinking no be doing society a bigger favour by telling the driver if they get into the car and drive they will be reported, that way the driver is faced with a choice, if they still get into the car they deserve everything they get, if they decide to get a taxi the threat has done society a favour by having one less drunk driver on the road ?

     

    Reporting a drunk driver without warning IMO is just badness that does not help anyone least of all any victim.

  4. No sure when the perception changed, but I remember years ago when someone got done for drink driving it was bad luck that they got caught, over the years it has changed to what it is today, over here it’s a problem, everybody seems to do it and the attitude is like it was in the UK all them years ago.

  5. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    In fact, those who report could be seen as aiding abetting drunk drivers as they knowingly

     

    let the driver get in the car and drive, when they could have warned the driver that they will be reported.

  6. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    I personally consider a car to be a deadly weapon and drunk drivers responsible for a death due to their condition should be charged with culpable homicide in fact any death caused by a car should be initially considered murder.

  7. The recent changes to the drink drive laws represented the worst of the morning side curtain twitcher legislation that the SNP are so proud of. It should have been accompanied by a more reasonable punishment regime (as it is in most countries which have that low level of drink allowed). We are in the grip of laws passed to in some way compensate victims (which simply isn’t possible) and in fact are simply ruining more lives. The technical changes in ,aw don’t of course deter the repeat offenders who were already ignoring the law anyway. Not a single live will be saved just loads more ruined.

     

     

    Canamalar you are displaying the worst of a reactionary punish anything that moves society. When the law was passed I gave several examples where your approach here would lead to parents being jailed for crashing a car that had their children in it (who died). You would jail them and quite frankly it’s senseless state madness.

     

     

    But hey every day we become a society more and more intolerant and reasoned. Who am I to argue. Woe betide any of us who make a mistake.

     

     

    Pretty sad really.

  8. This time last week we looked in good shape, we were on our way to only our 4th treble having scored 15 goals with only 3 against in the last 3 League games as well as a comfortable away victory in the cup at a tricky venue in adverse weather conditions.

     

     

    Then the roof caved in and the Celtic sites have been in meltdown.

     

     

    We were well on top in the semi against RC with an early goal when the cheating, and it was that, kicked in. We struggled against such adversity. For the 2nd time in 9 months the craft took care of our trophy aspirations.

     

     

    Heading up to Pittodrie 3 days later and on top again early doors when a wonder goal plus slack defending cost us the game, however in the 93rd minute I saw a light at the end of the tunnel, LG scored.

     

     

    Although we were denied the points that goal may have been the catalyst for our season.

     

     

    Today the same sheep went down tae Perth playing a club that literally gave away one of its best players tae sevco, and gave away they did as that mob has nae money. We will never see the money owed us for developing the quisling.

     

     

    I didnae give much hope of them dropping points but then again I said last night that sevco would gub the hun controlled and managerless knights templar in the early game.

     

     

    All help would be given the sheep as it’s all about stopping Celtic. After their 4th goal I thought we have a fight in our hands as St Johnstone was now on an 8 game losing streak. But again they lost a late goal, in fact 2 late goals; our goal average is still supreme. We will persevere and be crowned Champions in May prior to completing the double.

  9. Tontine Tim

     

    I see the person your reference who has recently joined sevco, his father is in qatar with Celtic u17’s and posted a report on the official website of the first game, I do not get this guy signing for them at all.

  10. Hamiltontim on 6th February 2016 12:01 am

     

    TONTINE TIM on 5TH FEBRUARY 2016 11:47 PM

     

    Have you ever spoken to anyone employed at Celtic who has had direct dealings with Peter Lawell?

     

     

    So you haven’t?

     

     

    Respectfully, before sticking up for Peter it might be worth speaking to one of the employees at Celtic who deal with him regularly and then make such posts TT.

     

     

    *I wasn’t sticking up for PL as per se, I was trying to indicate what life is like in the corporate world where the main aim of an employee is to keep their masters happy.

     

     

    If PL urinates off employees at Parkheid mibbees they should be looking in the mirror and question what they are doing wrong.

     

     

    Wullie Maley has often been referred to as “gruff” and not a nice mhan. FFS he tried to sell our greatest ever goal scorer and struggled to handle the legends that were Tommy McInally and Patsy. But he did win trophies.

     

     

    Former Celts including Lisbon Lions have indicated that big Jock was quite a brusque character and not what it says on the tin.

     

     

    I have no doubt MON was the same and no one was more cheekier than WGS.

     

     

    Nice guys finish last or if not last definitely not first i.e. Jimmy McGrory, Tommy Burns and Mogga.

     

     

    Tommy Burns once said “When you pull on that jersey you’re not just playing for a football club, you’re playing for a people and a cause.”

     

     

    Aye he’s right but first and foremost we are a business and have been since 10 years after the club was founded when we became a private limited liability company which is why we have, in spite of opposition, won a huge array of trophies.

     

     

    Although James Edward did win trophies and unique ones at that his greatest success came when the Big Mhan was brought back fae Llanelli. Bob Kelly had a sin to answer for this nice mhan’s managerial career and if he hadn’t brought Jock back the “Kelly Kids” would have been a part of fiction and no the future Lisbon Lions.

     

     

    Personally I prefer we have someone like Peter Lawwell and the Kaiser who are well respected businessmen in charge than a rag and bone patter merchant or clarence.

     

     

    Peter Lawwell will eventually leave but it’s my wish that it is a position with the SFA and then UEFA.

     

     

    It has been alleged that DD was fit to be tied when he found out about the shenanigans’ that bader and the SFA got up to which cost us a huge amount of money.

     

     

    It wasn’t for the love of the zombies that he planted his own men in place at the SFA and SPL to further his larceny, but simply voracity.

     

     

    Didn’t the late David Taylor, no fan of the zombies and pressed the SFA to after them for compensation when they poached naesurname, incidentally this is viewed as one of the reasons he left the SFA for UEFA,

     

    say that when he was a General Secretary of UEFA one of the worst aspects of the job was at the pleading of his former employee having to stick up for the deid team after another one of their transgressions in Europe.

     

     

    All the titles and trophies in the world being stripped will not bring back the money that was denied us. Us and other sides and not just Scottish.

     

     

    That’s why IMHO opinion PL is part of a bigger plan tae ensuring we run Scottish fitba, fairly and squarely (nae pun intended) for the benefit of all the clubs.

     

     

    As I have already said we are in year 2 of a 5 year plan, a plan that has the Board’s approval, not just DD and PL. Every successful business operates this way.

     

     

    Sometimes, there has to be a bit of fine tuning and tinkering along the way but we again IMHO will not deviate from this.

     

     

    One of my biggest fears in recent years was PLG, he came in with the mandate tae change the zombies, he didnae fail, had them still in Europe when he was sugar lumped, ned and fan power saw him replaced with one of the worst managers the Toffees have ever had, and look what that got them. Liquidation.

  11. Watching the rugby and the lines of bottles of alcohol sitting on the wall in front of the spectators.

     

     

    We football fans really are treated like scum in comparison.

  12. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    From the Summer edition of the Celtic View from 1972.

     

     

    Dan Drake is astonishingly one of the greatest Celtic supporters having witnessed the club literally at its inception and saw the club all the way through its highs & lows over most of the 20th Century.

     

     

    He was from Maryhill and was a well known active Irish Home Ruler in the West of Scotland even after Home Rule was overshadowed by the events of the early 1920s.

     

     

    Dan Drake really did see it all, and below is an interesting interview with one of of our greats on the terraces.

     

     

    Supporters – Dan Drake pic

     

     

     

    Supporters – Dan Drake pic

     

     

    http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Supporters+-+Dan+Drake

  13. dessybhoy on 6th February 2016 6:27 pm

     

     

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    I see the person your reference who has recently joined sevco, his father is in qatar with Celtic u17’s and posted a report on the official website of the first game, I do not get this guy signing for them at all.

     

     

    *neither dae I, personally I would rather live rough down Dumbarton quay than don the black mass vestments. What doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul

  14. OBA and alcohol, no chance non corporate fans will be allowed to drink at games if the authorites ned incidents to justify it they will create them.

  15. Tontine Tim

     

     

    Good evening.

     

     

    I’ve heard enough about PL and his management style to reckon that it’s more than just being a tough boss.

     

     

    What I would agree with is the possibility that his next job is with the SFA and UEFA. As a Tim I think he could be a decent ally behind enemy ranks.

  16. Alcohol is regarded as part of the Rugger atmosphere.

     

     

    We can leave a pub in the Gallowgate after 5 or 6 pints or so with a match ticket for Parkhead and be legitimately arrested. We don’t even need to enter the ground, just attempting it is enough.

     

     

    Shocking.

  17. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    Can I ask if your friend in the board is just a fan like you and me or part of an organisation in Canada?

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    Fullname: Robert Hilary King

     

    aka: Robert King, Bob King

     

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    Reference: Black Panther Member, jailed for 29 years out of 32 years in solitary confinement and released for wrongful arrest (released 2001).

     

     

    BackgroundSupporters – Robert King – The Celtic Wiki

     

    Celtic’s culture and ethos to those who have ever had the good fortune to experience it can be touched by its nature. There are though cases where those who are attracted to the Celtic support to whom we can only be in awe. One of those is the incredible Robert King.

     

     

    Robert King is one of the feted ‘Angola Three’.

     

     

    The Angola Three are three prison inmates – Robert Hillary King (born Robert King Wilkerson), Albert Woodfox and Herman Wallace – who were put in solitary confinement in Louisiana State Penitentiary, a.k.a. Angola Prison, in April 1972 after the killing of a prison guard. Robert King spent 29 years in solitary confinement before his conviction was overturned and he was released. We can only imagine what the impact on him was. Yet despite that it didn’t break his spirit, and he won an appeal to quash his conviction in 2001, and was released to the joy of many.

     

     

    This summary is too short to give full justice to the life and times of Robert King. What he endured is frightening, a slight on the US justice system. He made his mistakes in life but that doesn’t give the authorities any right to serve an unacceptable level of abuse against him or anyone.

     

     

    In 2015, to the amazement of the support, Robert King carried out an interview on CNN wearing a Celtic top. Questioned why he wore it, he replied that he wore it as it represented: “oppressed people like me”.

     

     

    Apparently a known Celtic fan, and has reportedly travelled to Scotland to attend matches in the past. If only we knew he was present.

     

     

    Not known exactly how he came to be a Celtic fan, but the legendary Gil-Scott Heron (son of ex-Celt Gil Heron) recorded a song called Angola about injustice in that prison. That is a possible source of the relationship.

     

     

    A fascinating gentleman, to whom we should be humbled to have in our support.

     

     

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    YouTube Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D33Hpcbs-Y (2015)

     

     

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    Angola Three: Robert King dons Celtic shirt on CNN

     

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    Robert King wears a Celtic shirt during an appearance on US news network CNN. Picture: Contributed published 12:34 Friday 12 June 2015

     

     

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/angola-three-robert-king-dons-celtic-shirt-on-cnn-1-3800550

     

     

    A MEMBER of the Black Panthers who spent nearly 30 years in solitary confinement appeared on CNN last night – wearing a Celtic shirt.

     

     

    Robert King, one of two surviving members of the Angola Three, spent the majority of his prison sentence in solitary confinement for the killing of a prison guard at Louisiana State Penitentiary, in 1972, and the murder of a fellow inmate the following year.

     

     

    He, along with Aklbert Woodfox and Herman Wallace, were convicted in 1971 of armed robbery. King was released in 2001 after his conviction for the murder of an inmate was overturned.

     

     

    He appeared on the US news channel wearing a Celtic shirt, saying that it represented “oppressed people like me”. He is known to be a Celtic fan, and has reportedly travelled to Scotland to attend matches in the past.

     

     

    Woodfox, the other surviving member of the Angola Three – Wallace died days after his release in October 2013 – remains in prison. A judge ordered his immediate release earlier this week and barred the state from trying him a third time for the death of prison guard Brent Miller, but the attorney general has appealed that ruling.

     

     

    Teenie Rogers, the widow of Miller, has pleaded with US authorities to exonerate Woodfox. She said the state should “stop acting like there is any evidence that Albert Woodfox killed Brent”. King, Woodfox and Wallace were active in hunger strikes and work stoppages that spurred improvements to prison conditions, and all three suffered harsh treatment afterwards as prison authorities kept them isolated at Angola to prevent more disruption.

     

     

    Angola Three’s Robert King looks back on 30 years of solitary confinement

     

     

    ‘We were caged up,’ says King, who was released in 2001 after a court reversed his conviction, as he closely watches the fate of the last of the three still in prison: Albert Woodfox

     

     

    Angola Three

     

    The ‘Angola Three’: Herman Wallace, Robert King and Albert Woodfox. Photograph: angola3.com

     

     

    Associated Press in New Orleans

     

    Wednesday 10 June 2015 23.33 BST

     

     

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/10/angola-three-robert-king-solitary-confinement

     

     

    Robert King says he watched nearly three decades of his life fade away in solitary confinement inside Louisiana’s Angola prison, sometimes glimpsing the world through a small window and longing for the few hours a week he might feel the sun on his face.

     

     

    “We were caged up,” said King, who was released in 2001 after a court reversed his conviction in the death of a fellow inmate in 1973. “I don’t think a person can go through that and come up unscathed.”

     

     

    King is one of three men known as the “Angola Three,” who supporters say spent decades in solitary confinement at the Louisiana state penitentiary, often referred to simply as Angola, the town in which it’s located.

     

     

    Another man, Herman Wallace, was released in October 2013 when a judge granted him a new trial and died days later, after the state at first fought his release.

     

     

    Now, King is closely watching the fate of the last of the three, Albert Woodfox, after a judge this week ordered his immediate release and barred the state from trying him a third time in the killing of a prison guard in 1972.

     

     

    The attorney general is fighting that ruling and has said repeatedly that the evidence shows he is a killer. State officials say Woodfox has been in a form of protective custody called closed cell restriction, but not solitary confinement. They say he’s allowed to watch television through the bars of his cell, talk to other inmates in his tier, read books, talk to visiting chaplains and leave his cell every day for an hour.

     

     

    “The perception of ‘solitary confinement’ is a far cry from the reality,” said Aaron Sadler, a spokesman for the attorney general’s office.

     

     

    For now, Woodfox is being held in a jail where he’s awaited his new trial since February. His supporters estimate he’s spent a total of more than four decades in isolation, with some breaks in the 1990s and in 2008.

     

     

    It’s a situation King knows well. He spoke to the Associated Press by telephone from Austin, Texas, where he now lives.

     

     

    King said he was shackled at the hands and feet anytime he left his cell. He said he could see and converse with a handful of other inmates in the immediate vicinity, but they all had to be careful not to talk too loud, or too much, or they would be written up.

     

     

    The conditions changed over time. At first there was no window or time outside, but eventually he was allowed outside for short periods a few times a week and given a cell with a window.

     

     

    “If it was raining, too hot, too cold, they wouldn’t let us go outside, and they wouldn’t give us makeup time,” he said.

     

     

    Many experts say such conditions, whatever the name, can have detrimental effects on inmates. Some have reported anxiety, paranoia, depression and hallucinations, said Dr Sharon Shalev, a research associate from the Centre for Criminology at the University of Oxford who runs the website http://www.solitaryconfinement.org.

     

     

    Shalev said she’s had prisoners tell her they harmed themselves just to reaffirm they were still alive.

     

     

    There are no precise figures on the number of inmates held in isolation, the Vera Institute of Justice said in a May report. However, the report said estimates range from 25,000 – which includes only those held in so-called supermax facilities – to 80,000, which includes those held in some type of segregated housing across all state and federal prisons.

     

     

    The report also said inmates in isolation are more likely to kill or hurt themselves than those held in the general population.

     

     

    What has made the case of the Angola Three and Woodfox in particular such a lightning rod for international attention has been the length of time they were in isolation. Tory Pegram of the International Coalition to Free the Angola 3 said Woodfox was first put in solitary in April 1972, the same day the guard he was eventually accused of killing died.

     

     

    Louisiana corrections officials have said he was in closed cell restriction for many years but declined to elaborate because litigation is pending.

     

     

    Meanwhile, King is eagerly awaiting his friend’s release. He started driving from his home in Austin on Tuesday to meet Woodfox when he was released but turned around when that release was delayed. But he plans to be there if and when Woodfox walks out of the jail.

     

     

    In the years since his release, King has written a book and often gives talks on his experiences. When asked how he didn’t go crazy, he replied, laughing, “I didn’t say I wasn’t crazy.”

     

     

    “It was bitter,” he said. “But there are some things that you can make out of lemons. I just tried every day to make lemonade.”

  19. No a fan of rugby, full of manky, greedy no voters, but, fwiw rugby and football fans are different

     

     

    England fans sang “Swing Low…” while standing right next to Scotland fans, without a hint of bother, despite the ample amounts of bevvy.

     

     

    Football pretends to have ‘family sections’, Rugby actually promotes the idea, the idea that opposing fitba fans could stand next to each other with a bevvy, and sing their ‘anthems’ without a hint of bother, is seriously deluding themselves.

  20. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Mags..,

     

    As I said, deadly weapon, the only time people can be murdered and the murderer will walk free because they were at the wheel of a car.

     

    To be perfectly honest I believe the limit should be zero tolerance, no alcohol.

     

    Driving is a job and too many people refuse to accept the responsibility associated with driving because car owners have always been treated differently, initially it was a money thing, to be able to afford a car meant you were upper or middle class. The law has always made excuses for people in that bracket, their young thugs were high spirited while working class were thugs.

     

    As for your argument about a parent causing a crash and murdering their own children what’s your point, it’s the same argument as post natal depressed mothers murdering their own children, the law considers it murder but not if she does it in a car “accident”.

     

    Alcohol is a drug and should be treated as such. Because we have been conditioned to make excuses for booze does not make it any less a drug it just makes us hypocrites.

  21. Hamiltontim on 6th February 2016 6:35 pm

     

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    Good evening.

     

     

    I’ve heard enough about PL and his management style to reckon that it’s more than just being a tough boss.

     

     

    *cheers HT, I know nothing about PL but I do know how the corporate world works and it’s no pretty.

     

     

    We now live in a time of reduced pensions, minimum wage and zero hour contracts.

     

     

    Thank Henrik Larsson I got out when I did; my replacement was at least half my age and possibly salary tae.

     

     

    What I would agree with is the possibility that his next job is with the SFA and UEFA. As a Tim I think he could be a decent ally behind enemy ranks.

     

     

    *I think he’d be amazing and the huns are now raphaeling themselves at the thought of it, hence the aggressive attacks.

  22. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on 6th February 2016 6:38 pm

     

     

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    Can I ask if your friend in the board is just a fan like you and me or part of an organisation in Canada?

     

     

     

    *both

  23. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    TT

     

    There in lies the problem

     

    There is no middle of the ground as both need each other

  24. Gerryfaethebrig on

    I do t know how many people drink n drive it’s something I would never do as I can’t drive …. But the people who feel the need to comment away an hie us peace ….. Apologies if anybody has had a personal tradegy involving this but am afraid the condensers should maybe just worry about their own misfortunes… We all have them

  25. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Tontine Tim

     

    On Wednesday night my cousin was on the message service to my other cousin in Canada

     

    Jim in Canada wanted us back in the car park , Francis whom I was with wanted Ronnie sacked, I asked that we win the league then decide

     

    My point being we all have individual opinions and don’t need to be part of the board or a supporters association to have an opinion because we all spend our hard earned cash on our team

  26. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on 6th February 2016 7:00 pm

     

     

     

    Tontine Tim

     

     

    On Wednesday night my cousin was on the message service to my other cousin in Canada

     

     

    Jim in Canada wanted us back in the car park ,

     

     

    *is that wee Jim who was in high school with one of my daughters.

  27. Just thinking. We won the league by 17 points last season. We beat the sheep X 4. Had the sheep won twice, our margin would have been 5 points. Had the sheep won x3, we would have lost the league by 1 point. What does this mean for this season.? Can only afford to lose v the sheep if we win all our games. Beating them at home , I think,would guarantee us the league.

  28. Saint Stivs says SACK THE BOARD on

    Miss Celtic 1966This is a featured page

     

    Miscellaneous

     

    Beauty Pageant

     

    Celtic embraced the swinging sixties not only by producing a phenomenal football team on the park but by hosting its own equivalent to Miss World – Miss Celtic 1966. Her sash said “Celtic Queen”.

     

     

    The winner was the lovely Kathleen English representing the Port Glasgow no.1 CSC.

     

     

    http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Miss+Celtic+1966

  29. Evening all.

     

     

    As a retired driving instuctor, car, car and trailer, PCV (bus) and LGV (truck). Also NEBOSH qualified, no sympathy with anyone found guilty of drink driving. The devastation of their selfish actions can cause horrendous implications for families who are unfortunate enough to have casualties due to these people’s selfish actions. Not judging anyone, just offering an opinion. HH

  30. Gerryfaethebrig on

    Bigshuggy

     

     

    I don’t want you to panic but I was thinking the exact same today, this point last season seemingly we had 3pts of a difference but had already beaten the dandy dons twice so we are not that much worse of, in fact in my world we must be better off as Aberdeen are 6ts better off and we are 6pts worse off but more or less still in pole position……

     

     

    Any eijit can use a stat to suit their argument (ie me)

  31. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    TT

     

    The very one

     

    Last time I was in Canada 2001 for my grand funeral in Windsor he took me to Donnelly bar-:)

     

    We went to bramblea for game at st Johnstone which was cancelled due to the fog

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