“The Scottish FA has a responsibility to all its members and must implement its rules without fear or favour”. Stewart Regan, SFA chief executive, 24 April 2012.
What chance the SFA will be able to act without fear now? I don’t imply they will act without favour, but do you believe SFA panellists can act without fear? Anyone who participates in Rangers appeal process and upholds their punishment will act despite fear.
This process, one of the most important the SFA has dealt with in years, has been subverted, and that calls for a far greater sanction that any already imposed.
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top ten
All this talk of transparency is going to Fat Sally’s head.
Well, enough so that I can see his scalp through his transparent hair.
HH
ahhh fook 2nd. curse you token tim curse you!!
Paul67,
Do people act without favour when fearing for their safety?
McCoist has truly subverted the whole process Paul.
he knew exactly what he was doing with his comments.
He MUST be taken to task on those comments, despite his “honest” condemnation today.
Despicable does as despicable is.
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Hang them high
Agree 100 % ….There should be sanctions against the individual concerned, and possibly the club also as he was speaking through their media outlet.
At what point does UEFA speak up on all of this ?
At what point does Celtic FC publicly refuse to back the SFA any further and seek a proper process of governance in our game ?
At what point do we say no more we have lost confidence with our national association ?
Hail HAil
OOT A PUFF trying to keep up.
You on steroids Paul67?
Although worth remembering this is a sideshow compared to what might happen after the finidings of the other enquiry…….
Tamlaghtduff Bhoy,
in the “words” of someone far wiser than I:
“nah nah nah-nah nah”
:-)
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Paul
Surely the process now have to be handled by a third party FA or UEFA
You cant miss at the moment Paul, every shot firmly on target. Let’s hope we convert the chances we get on the park in the same comprehensive way come Sunday
European Compliance Panel can be the only responsible body qualified and secure enought to preside over this issue. They have already offerd assistance, time to accept that offer, for the safety of sfa operatives and integrity of the Scottish game.
Is it just me or have D&P / Blue Knights and Bill Miller all gone very quiet last 2 days ?
I wonder if Michael Grant followed up on this with investigative journalism or if he was waiting on Paul67 or Phil to pick up on it ?
MONDAY 12 MARCH 2012 Donald Muir, the bank’s inside man at Ibrox, has questions to answer
Michael Grant
Chief football writer
PICTURE the Rangers scandal as a giant battleground where everyone has been hit and bloodied to some degree.
In the biggest mess of all is public enemy No.1 Craig Whyte, who strode triumphantly into Ibrox last year and now wouldn’t be safe to walk the Glasgow streets.
Sir David Murray has become increasing toxic for leading the club to the edge of the abyss. Rangers company secretary Gary Withey is accused of obstructing attempts to release bank money which came from season-ticket sales. Lawyers Collyer Bristow have been alleged to have been unhelpful. Duff and Phelps, the administrators, have been accused of dithering and being Whyte’s lackeys. Ticketus were happy to profiteer from speculating on supporters’ loyalty and they’re panicking about not being able to get their £24m back. HMRC have not been paid by Whyte and are at least £15m down, a sum which could multiply by four. Players have lost up to threequarters of their wages. A handful of staff have lost their jobs. Ally McCoist is stressed to the hilt. Fans have been sick with worry. The SFA has been told their “fit and proper person” rules are powderpuff. Paul Murray, sacked from the board last year, now faces the pressure to deliver which comes with building up the fans’ hopes.
It has been like a financial cagefight and no party has escaped at least collateral damage. Well, perhaps one. There is one unmarked party in the story of Rangers’ disgrace, a key participant in the story, but now almost forgotten and free from the mudslinging. Who was it that Walter Smith said was “running the club” in the final months before Whyte’s disastrous takeover? Who was it who sanctioned Whyte before leaving the scene with all of its money paid up in full? Lloyds Banking Group must look at everyone still immersed in this carnage and, laughing up its sleeve, think ‘what a bunch of mugs’.
When Donald Muir joined the Rangers board in the autumn of 2009 he was variously described as a “turnaround specialist” and a “company doctor”. Lloyds put a gun to the club’s head and insisted that he went on the board. Former chairman Alastair Johnston said the bank made it clear that it was a condition of Rangers’ credit facility that Muir had to be a director. Muir was the guy who oversaw an aggressive clawback of Lloyds’ debt at Rangers. He ran the show. When it was said that club staff couldn’t buy a paper clip without running it past him first, the joke had a ring of truth. Because of Lloyds, Smith went two years without being able to buy a player. Because of Lloyds, he spent a while working without a contract as Rangers couldn’t afford to commit to one. It was “terribly compromising” to have Muir sitting in on meetings when the board wanted to discuss financial strategy, said Johnston.
When Muir joined the board Rangers’ debt stood at £33m. When he left – on the day Lloyds got out and Whyte took over – the liabilities were pegged at just £18m and falling. From the shambles of Rangers’ finances, Lloyds pulled off the miracle of getting back every penny they were owed. When Sir David Murray talked about selling Rangers only to someone with the club’s best interests at heart – gee, that worked out well – Lloyds’ view on where the club ended up was not so explicitly expressed. No wonder: now it appears they didn’t really care so long as they got their money back and were long gone before the big tax case verdict landed.
Well, that’s business. If Rangers say they don’t do walking away, then banks don’t do emotion. They weren’t under any obligation to look after Rangers beyond holding up Whyte’s proof of funds document from Collyer Bristow and saying, “Look, he’s got the cash – we’re off”. But what about Muir?
Muir and David Grier go way back. They’ve known each other for years. This time last year, Muir was on the Rangers board and Grier was the turnaround specialist advising Whyte on his takeover. Now Grier is a partner in Duff and Phelps, the administrators Whyte succeeded in appointing. So did Muir and Grier know that Whyte intended to fund the buy-out by flogging future season tickets rather than using his own money? How come Whyte felt he had the authority to go to Ticketus and get a £24m advance on the season tickets on April 7 last year, 28 days before the takeover went through? Ticketus had done previous deals with Rangers, remember. When Whyte offered to flog them Ibrox season tickets, it’s unthinkable that they would do anything other than pick up the phone to someone at the club and check his authenticity and credentials to sell. If Lloyds were “running the club”, and Muir was its man on the board, did he give that approval?
Muir described himself as a Rangers supporter and a guy who cared about the club. He was Alex McLeish’s mate. Well, he may have worked wonders for Lloyds, but how big was his role in placing Rangers in Whyte’s hands? Can he look himself in the mirror today and feel he served “his” club? Muir’s not likely to be seen at Ibrox any time soon, but in December he had a VIP seat at the Old Firm game. He sat beside Whyte.
TTT @ 12:48 – you tell em, Forrest !
T4
Burnely78,
I noticed RTC’s tweet earlier:
‘The argument that “it was all Craig Whyte” will soon be exposed for the laughable deflection it really is. #patience’
Anticipation building on that side of the huns “issues”
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
The Token Tim on 26 April, 2012 at 12:53 said:
Burnely78,
I noticed RTC’s tweet earlier:
‘The argument that “it was all Craig Whyte” will soon be exposed for the laughable deflection it really is. #patience’
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Still won’t be mentioned in msm, who’s really to blame.
Just heard Alan Sugar . The Apprentices had to sell food in Edinburgh. One team tried to sell gourmet food out side Tynecastle at the game v Admin FC. They were selling their food at £7.99.
Sugar states “£7.99? They do not pay that for a striker there.”
some sterling stuff being posted online today, Paul, Emperor Forrest The Donegal Journalist and Alex Thommo
The hordes of hades are in turmoil
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 26 April, 2012 at 12:50 said:
In this instance it’s not the SFA who are to blame.
It’s the huns, and in particular, McCoist.
He knew the names of the people on the panel were when he went on hun TV and said he wanted to know who they were.
He had only one reason for doing what he did and that was to ensure these people would be outed and intimidated.
It is also difficult to escape the conclusion that the source of the leak was the huns. The SFA must discipline them.
Duff & Phelps must be held to account for what is going on at the club they are supposed to be in control of.
when stormount became an embarassment for westminister they finally shut it
down and intervened and decided to run it themselves because those that had run it for 50 years were incapable of governing it at the time, uefa you know what needs to be done just do it.
Paul
You’re absolutely right about the subversion that’s going on.
From the moment McCoist used Rangers TV to make a premeditated call for the names of the 3 panel members to be made public (names he already knew or if he didn’t it was only for the want of asking), there could only be one of two outcomes.
Either the names remained confidential, which would be seen as confirming the view that “the SFA is a Timmy conspiracy”; or the names came out and, even without the subsequent direct threats, an intimidating marker would be laid down for future panels.
Rangers and McCoist have previous on this. As far as I’m aware, the only other time the anonymity of the SFA panel system was breached was the last time McCoist was “absolutely shocked” at their judgement (over Sone Aluko’s dive).
The SFAs new disciplinary and judicial panel system is being systematically undermined by one club and one manager, while even those in the MSM who summon up the journalistic integrity to criticise, do so in a seemingly half-hearted, mealy-mouthed way, giving McCoist every possible benefit of the slightest doubt over his actions, and they continue to be drowned out by the succulent lambers.
Scottish Football has been run by and for one club for decades. Unless the SFA stand up to Rangers now, then if Scottish Football has any future it will be on Rangers’ (or their successor’s) terms.
Ernie
but they wont … so my question still stands
Two days and counting and you you know why.
It is to allow them to readdress the issue have you seen Rangers newsnow
Ally McCoist urges quick SFA appeals process over Rangers’ transfer ban STV 11:53
McCoist disgusted by Rangers fans threats Orlando Sentinel, Florida 11:42
Scottish News: Rangers manager condemns threats The Rutherglen Reformer, Scotland 11:39
Rangers forward Steven Naismith plays down talk of return this season STV 11:37
Rangers manager condemns threats The East Kilbride News 11:35
Rangers manager McCoist ‘disgusted’ by threats Belfast Telegraph 11:31
Ally McCoist ‘disgusted’ by threats made to members of SFA judicial panel STV 11:23
McCoist disgusted by threats to SFA panel The Scottish Herald 11:06
McCoist disgusted by threats to SFA Panel but defends demand for transparency Daily Mail 10:58
Police look into threats to SFA panel members Evening Express 10:52
Sfa Call In Cops Over Threats Daily and Sunday Express 10:44
McCoist ‘disgusted’ ESPN Soccernet 10:39
McCoist ‘disgusted’ by threats to SFA pane… ESPN Soccernet 10:39
Loven Feeling Glasgow Rangers – Official Site 10:35
McCoist ‘disgusted’ by threats The Northern Echo 10:35
Deceit, Criminality and Fraud: How Whyte Ruined Rangers RangersMedia 10:27
Hail HAil
James Forrest
Outstanding post buddy. Outstanding.
My only question to the MSM in this little backward nation of bigots would be:
Do you credit McCoist as being an intelligent human being?
MWD
Lloyds Bank, laughing up their sleeve? How much David Murray debt did they have to write off?
I’m sure it suits Duff and Duffer for this to drag on and on.
The most overworked emploee of theirs will be the guy who’s adding up their bill.
Kittoch-Sporting Lisbon was my first impression too,socks should be hoops or plain white.
gokwancsc
Make that “employee”.
Not liking the new home top. Didn’t like the away top or third kit either. Shame.
Hoping that the fear factor backfires – people wont want to be seen to be letting the idiots win and will hopefully uphold the decision after any appeal.
do we really think mcmoist is that bright………..or is he being used by others?.
Pound,pound,pound,pound
You cost a pound
Pound,pound,pound,pound,
You cost a pound!
Your just thugs who will get
Your history stripped,
Your Scotlands Shame
Were all sick of your shit.
The taxman knows you he won’t leave you alone,
You’ve ripped of the country
And the soldiers you’ve blown
You cost a pound,
You cost a pound.
beachbhoyscsc
Maybe he First Minister should air his thoughts as to how the great scottish institution is currently handling its affairs, theyve gone from lying, cheating, tax avoidance to potentially placing members of the public at risk of harm, what part of the fabric of scottish society does this fit into alex?
In hindsight, lying, cheating, tax avoidance threats of violence
they meet all the criterias to be succesful member of the London or Scottish Parliaments
On a lighter note :
A taxman with a sense of humour – amazing!
A real reply from the UK Inland Revenue. The Guardian newspaper had to ask for special permission to print it. The funniest part of this is imagining the content of the letter sent to the Tax Office which prompted this reply
Dear Mr Addison,
I am writing to you to express our thanks for your more than prompt reply to our latest communication, and also to answer some of the points you raise. I will address them, as ever, in order.
Firstly, I must take issue with your description of our last as a “begging letter”. It might perhaps more properly be referred to as a “tax demand”. This is how we at the Inland Revenue have always, for reasons of accuracy,traditionally referred to such documents.
Secondly, your frustration at our adding to the “endless stream of crapulent whining and panhandling vomited daily through the letterbox on to the doormat” has been noted. However, whilst I have naturally not seen the other letters to which you refer I would cautiously suggest that their being from “pauper councils, Lombardy pirate banking houses and pissant gas-mongerers” might indicate that your decision to “file them next to the toilet in case of emergencies” is at best a little ill-advised. In common with my own organisation, it is unlikely that the senders of these letters do see you as a “lackwit bumpkin” or, come to that, a “sodding charity”. More likely they see you as a citizen of Great Britain, with a responsibility to contribute to the upkeep of the nation as a whole.
Which brings me to my next point. Whilst there may be some spirit of truth in your assertion that the taxes you pay “go to shore up the canker-blighted, toppling folly that is the Public Services”, a moment’s rudimentary calculation ought to disabuse you of the notion that the government in any way expects you to “stump up for the whole damned party” yourself. The estimates you provide for the Chancellor’s disbursement of the funds levied by taxation, whilst colourful, are, in fairness, a little off the mark. Less than you seem to imagine is spent on “junkets for Bunterish lickspittles” and “dancing whores” whilst far more than you have accounted for is allocated to, for example, “that box-ticking facade of a university system.”
A couple of technical points arising from direct queries:
1. The reason we don’t simply write “Muggins” on the envelope has to do with the vagaries of the postal system;
2. You can rest assured that “sucking the very marrow of those with nothing else to give” has never been considered as a practice because even if the Personal Allowance didn’t render it irrelevant, the sheer medical logistics involved would make it financially unviable.
I trust this has helped. In the meantime,whilst I would not in any way wish to influence your decision one way or the other,I ought to point out that even if you did choose to “give the whole foul jamboree up and go and live in India” you would still owe us the money.
Please send it to us by Friday.
Yours sincerely,
H J Lee
Customer Relations
Inland Revenue
Ghuys It’s the hoops ,ALWAYS BEAUTIFUL.
HAIL HAIL