I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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NEGANON2 on 11TH MARCH 2016 10:29 AM
Johnnyrambo. Are you happy with the board then?
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I’m not particularly happy with them, nor am I particularly unhappy with them. I think they are doing a decent job in pretty difficult circumstances.
My own opinion of them is largely irrelevant to the point. One of the (many) problems with your rhetoric is you offer no solutions.
Starve the club of money, presumably reducing the clubs income by several million, hurting the team on the park until DD caves in and sacks Peter Lawwell. Ok fine.
You’re going to have to pay him off so there’s a minimum £1m, if not £2m or £3m. For all his faults, you’re undoubtedly losing a Chief Executive with a wealth of experience in dealing with football clubs and regulators at home and abroad, as well as sponsors, agents and tv companies.
So who have you got replacing him? Given they’ll have the same mandate from DD, what exactly is going to change?
So I guess we’re then starving out DD, a man who put a significant amount of his own money into the club, was instrumental in bringing in the MON era which directly lead to the death of our rivals. Ok fine.
DD doesn’t strike me as someone who is going to be forced out easily, in fact his actions alongside JP McManus and John Magnier regarding the sale of their Man United shares to the Glazers, which was vehemently opposed by Man Utd fans, suggest he wouldn’t be too sympathetic to the ‘fans’ who forced him out.
So who have you got replacing him? Do you have the money? Maybe he knows some American venture capitalists who can stage a leveraged buyout of the club, then make us pay for it? Or maybe his Barbados mate Mike Ashley fancies adding our trademarks to his portfolio?
Meanwhile we’ve lost tens of millions of pounds, on the park the team is in disarray, and in the stands there is civil war.
Have a think about the consequences of what you’re suggesting. If that doesn’t change your mind, give the RST a call and see if you can borrow their ‘We Deserve Better’ banner. Worked out well for them.
FourGreenFields on 11th March 2016 11:38 am Thanks to all involved with Resolution 12 , your hard work and perseverance is appreciated .
Hear Hear,
ps Though I am gratefl for the boards help thus far IMHO It is Time for the board to grow a pair and take the lead on this ,
FourGreenFields on 11th March 2016 11:43 am
Today’s article is such a significant one that most people would have sacrificed the chance of a podium just to read it . I was tempted :))
THE BATTERED BUNNET on 11TH MARCH 2016 11:55 AM
The Resolution will not be televised
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Cracker, BB :-)
Never in my life have I felt so disgusted with anyone connected with Celtic,with the power to do some damage,as I am with PL
Self-serving back-stabbing fifth columnist.
He can gtf as far as I’m concerned. Away and join yer Celtic hating pals.
Philbhoy.
Maybe not buy, but certainly read and watch.
How many of the links posted on here to validate a point come from magazines or newspapers ?
HH.
PHILBHOY on 11TH MARCH 2016 11:50 AM
So, there will be a UEFA investigation, the truth will out, the SFA will get the sack and the club formerly known as Rangers will get their knuckles rapped (to absolutely no avail).
And then we will fill the vacant SFA positions with a load of huns.
As per.
What’s the feckin point of all this?
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Philboy hope you and the family are well-I believe EUFA will look into this and act accordingly after the recent FIFA scandals they will not want something similar to occur on their watch and not be acted upon.
So maybe the SFA might be deemed “not fit for purpose” however Scottish Football cannot exist in a vacuum -we might be placed under the charge of a neighbouring FA ?…Hmmmmmm
Nyon
1st April 2016
Dear Resolutioners,
Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of UEFA’s Club Financial Control Body. UEFA recognised some years ago that the future of the Game was inextricably linked to its financial sustainability, and thus UEFA Club Licensing criteria were established.
Club Licensing is a central element of the apparatus UEFA has implemented to to protect and foster the Game, and it’s fair administration is a prerequisite to a fair Game. We are committed to taking all alleged breaches seriously, and undertaking a full investigation.
From this perspective we are very grateful to you for highlighting the issues contained in your letter and attachments of 10th March.
However, under rule 37b subsection 4 paragraph 1, the CFCB can only be authorised to investigate failures in the processing and administration of Club Licensing following a decision of UEFA’s ExCo, itself subsequent to a formal request received from a Club in membership of a UEFA affiliated Football Association.
In view of this, we advise that you make your representations through the official channels described.
Please note that the deadline for receipt of such representations regarding licensing decisions taken for season 2011/12 is yesterday.
Sincerely,
UEFA CFCB
I would think that provided the letter is received and acknowledged before the time bar, then it would be negated ie there’s no suggestion the process has to be completed before then. merely instigated.
Still Best post I’ve read on here in weeks
Thanks GER57 on 11TH MARCH 2016 8:00 AM
On a more light-hearted note, my son told me of a recent encounter.
Travelling into work in San Francisco, he noticed a fellow traveller was wearing a Celtic badge on his jacket. “Cmon the Hoops,” he shouts. Next thing, a totally different guy starts singing The Celtic Song at the top of his voice. 2 or 3 more joined in. Not bad for 8.30 on a Thursday morning in San Francisco.
Res 12 is not done it’s just getting warm. 3 weeks to go
Lionroars
From Paul67’s Leader
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA. Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved
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Tell Paul he’s talkin’ bollocks!
Bear in mind that football authorities in general are massively focused on showing they’re not corrupt at the moment. The SFA are the perfect unimportant in anything other than historical terms, association to make an example of.
Get it to Gianni Infantino.
C’mon the Ronny Deila and his Bhoyos.
Get those 3 points in the 1st half.
Partick played 3 games in a week.
Always good for the Celtic.
We Want 5.
2 quick points.
1. The current position sounds very like
“you ask…”
“Naw, you ask…”
“No, you’re better at this”
“Nae, am too shy…”
etc.
To me. The Board are shirking their respondibility.
2. Cowiebhoy posted on the last article – when the fans of Triggers Broom were getting overr excited around the purchase of Lennoxtown didtt they, the fans, go straight to UEFA and ultimately get an answer? So maybe a direct approach by fans IS possible.
Philbhoy on 11th March 2016 12:21 pm
No problem my friend Paul67 is talking bollocks
UEFA dont need to do anything ?
Is there a formal complaint being made by Celtic ?
Celtic FC need to go stage 1 and lodge a complaint in accordance with the rules and regulations of EUFA, until they do its bollocks
I mentioned last night that it is worthwhile reading Barcabhoy’s comments on Twitter. What he is saying is informed and has to be considered before deciding what to do next.
It feels like we are on the precipice of something big.
I’d like to thank the fans involved with Resolution 12 for all their hard work. This post provides all the answers they could have provided. Like Celt’s for Change before you, I feel like we are in safe hands as long as supporters follow in your footsteps.
To the CQN posters, the difference of opinions on here is healthy. Let’s just try and keep it civil.
It’s bloody great being a Celtic fan. Hail Hail.
I wisnae ever comfortable hearing the Celts singing about “At nights you hear, bazookas Roar”.
The 10 is almost impossible in this Country, for Celtic anyway. I want the 5.
inCrossmaglen.csc
The guys who have taken the ball on this deserve immense credit & all our gratitude. However I fear in the end it will have been all for nothing. Just by reading the boards initial response to Res 12 for me spoke volumes to where this was heading.
A few telling quotes…..
“The company maintained a consistent that the circumstances should be considered by the football authorities and the matter dealt with fairly & proportionally”
“The comoany took part in the restructuring of Scottish Football”
I understand this was their initial response & much water has passed under the bridge since then, however I think these quotes are extremely revealing. Nowhere are they saying this matter should be dealt without fear or favour but instead were asking for a proportionate response. Also they clearly admit to being involved in the restructuring of Scottish Football. Makes you wonder if this also included the infamous 5-Way agreement?
Perhaps I’m reading too much into this but I believe these quotes point to the clubs complicitness & while they may have indicated willingness to the guys behind Res 12. I sincerely doubt they had or have any desire to expose the truth. The club paying lip service by contacting the SFA & asking “questions” is easily done, if indeed they are complicit? Where it gets more difficult is to raise these same questions with UEFA.
If they are complicit then the club can’t possibly raise this directly as if they do so then in essence they would be fingering themselves. Of course this isn’t an option but neither would it be smart to ignore the clubs shareholders. So what’s the solution? Easy, let’s have the Res 12 guys/shareholders write to UEFA instead. This way Celtic along with the SFA can control the conversation behind closed doors.
I hope for everyone’s sake I am wrong & once UEFA contact Celtic directly, the club will act in good faith. Unfortunately I am one of the many who believe Celtic have colluded with the SFA so don’t hold out much hope.
Again, I hope I’m very very wrong!
JOHANN MURDOCH
I did post that half in jest!
I am finding it difficult to see a real benefit for Celtic or her supporters by all of this.
Scottish football will always be run by huns for the benefit of the huns.
Will referees start giving us a fair deal?
Will other SPL teams thank us for their UEFA bonus when we qualify for the group stages?
Probably not, but we’ll all feel better because we got some diddies fired from the SPFL, who will get replaced by more diddies who will still support the huns.
Mibbe we should just chuck it.
I’d much rather drink Highland Spring water than Evian Water…Needs must… I just can’t get my head around the backwards wording Naive.
Come on the Celtic FC
Chickenshit football club
Sitting in their rightful place at the back of the bus
Disgusted that I have spent so much of my life on love with a whpre
I’m not the brightest but if the Hierarchy intervene they can kick this on beyond this Deadline?
If not.
Nice Timings.
Truth is all that matters.
TBJ says Wee Oscar Knox is in heaven with the angels on 11th March 2016 12:37 pm
Chickenshit football club
Sitting in their rightful place at the back of the bus
Disgusted that I have spent so much of my life on love with a whpre
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You have not, don’t ever think like that.
Johnnyrambo
Your response is simply to give up and say it’s too hard.
I have layed out how I would change things at Celtic lots of times, including in the cqn magazine,
It isn’t rocket science but at its heart is a desire for the football club to progress the focus would be on the field. The problem at Celtic is that what happens on the field is incidental to the board.
You say the board are doing a decent job. Where? I see nothing decent. Nothing is getting better. Relations with the support are at an all time low, the numbers attending are dwindling alarmingly, out turnover is down, the club look and feel shambolic in most of its dealings. Furthermore the club stands accused of collusion in corruption by its own support and says nothing.
As for PL there seems to be a view that he is a great CEO. I honestly don’t know why anyone thinks that. When the Huns died we had a fantastic opportunity to cut the ties from the past, to modernise and to look beyond our immediate horizon. The feared drop in season tickets didn’t happen and the support looked forward to a new era where we could leave behind the racism.
But our board deliberately downsized. They didn’t need to as we could afford to at least maintain. The only opportunity they saw was that now they just needed to be slightly better than the rest of the SPFL (as it turns out it was Aberdeen we ended up benchmarking against). We also emplyed a Moneyball strategy which did not consider team or team building only how much we could earn from selling players on. That wasnt necessary either. thats why Lennon left, thats why Keane refused to get on board and thats why they offerred the job to Ronny (and he was cheap too – bonus).
So how good is our CEO. Pretty bloody awful. He is overpaid, does not lead, is cowardly and clearly likes rubbing shoulders with the corrupt SFA and Hun.
As for DD he is simply waiting to cash his chips is a new euro league etc emerges. He has said nicer things about the Hun support than the Celtic support and couldn’t care less about Celtic. Incidentally he has not lost a single penny on Celtic. He gets his divs, he still has his shares and he will cling onto them till that euro league happens (at which point Celtic will at least double in value).
SO what will a successful bhoycott do? It will threaten DDs investment. He will take fright, get rid of Lawwell and change the strategy. He won’t sell his shares and will still be like a milestone on our neck but he will realise that he can’t push too hard.
It will also force the board to start to openly discuss these matters.
There is absolutely no alternatives. Protests will lead to arrest. The media will remain silent and tacitly supportive of our board. The politicians will kill any momentum that we can get.
Petec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7xGRZkJwRI
I hope you are well sir
It has been toooooooo long
catch up soon
Paul67
How long have Celtic known about the 5 year time bar?
Why, if they’ve known relevant information since Jan ’16, didn’t they pass this on to the Resolutioners?
Why was the information passed to a third party and not to them directly?
Is it purely coincidental that the information was only passed to the third party AFTER BRTH went live on social media?
Paul67
How long have Celtic known about the 5 year time bar?
Why, if they’ve known relevant information since Jan ’16, didn’t they pass this on to the Resolutioners?
Why was the information passed to a third party and not to them directly?
Is it purely coincidental that the information was only passed to the third party AFTER BRTH went live on social media?
Why haven’t Celtic Plc taken the legal route like Fergus did over the Farry incident?
Thanks to all involved with Resolution 12 , your hard work,but i have a feeling our club will sell you out hope i’m wrong
Happy HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPY Birthday
to my wee Grandson Sean Patrick ,6 today and lurking on here fae before he can remember
His favourite song/video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUIhgN7FH8
The Masonic Tory Club of a board don’t have the stomach for a fight.
Res 12, cheatin’ refs on a grand feckin’ scale.
Turn a blind eye to it all, it will eventually go away.
Enjoy yer wages!
They are the wages of sin.
Hell mend you all.
And soon.
‘As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors’
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Or, to put it another way, as of yesterday Celtic were refusing to write to UEFA.
Is that a fair and reasonable inference?
Paul 67
I hope there is a time scale for UEFA to respond within and the plc act before the deadline of 31/3/16 should UEFA not accept this enquiry from shareholders, I do not know why the board have sat on this information that they would not go to UEFA, and I will never trust any of this board going forward.
Where do you start with communication, if it is company policy to keep the shareholders in the dark about something that goes to the heart of the sport here, is it any wonder there is anger suspicion and lack of trust in this board and how they operate, they are NOT stupid people someone or a group of people decided this is how this would be handled and this now has the potential to be nuclear for the club.
Oops.
HAPPY HOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
WEE SEAN,a big Bhoy in the making!!!!!
Hope you’re around when I pal up wi yer smashing Papa soon.
HH
leftclicktic,
I was stunned to hear that my Son, well, he listens to Rap Music before he takes to the field. Oh my guidness me, he told me that and I opened up to him. I am so Very Lucky that I have him, noone will ever know how Lucky I am. Yer the same type, I sense that.
I am so very privileged.
God Bless ye dude.
leftclickTIC
The board want it time barred so they can get on with their wee game of playing at company directors.
They’ve suffered enough!