What exactly went wrong at yesterday’s Scottish Cup draw? Plastic balls can break open, that wasn’t the problem. The rule which insists that when a ball breaks open the draw must be started again isn’t the problem either. It’s a perfectly reasonable rule, but the event still can the SFA in a dreadful light.
Imagine for a moment that you had a Cup draw to arrange live on international television. You would surely acquire the materials necessary (8 balls and a bowl), and test their effectiveness (mix the balls, pull them out, open), until you were satisfied the process was robust and not likely to embarrass the organisation.
Appropriate preparations were evidently not followed for the Scottish Cup quarter final draw.
Having got to the stage that the draw went wrong, the TV masses were then treated to the most cringe-worthy pregnant pause, as SFA president, Alan McRae completely failed to communicate, either to the watching TV audience, or to the event broadcaster SKY, why he pulled a ball out of the bowl and instead of announcing the tie, declared the draw invalid.
McRae knew the ball was opened before it was drawn, and that this invalidated the draw, but clearly the glaikit-looking TV presenter had no idea what was going on when McRae halted mid-process, neither did the TV audience. A simple explanation:
“This ball is open. Rules state the draw is invalid. We will need to start again.”
….was surely what any person possessing even remote people-awareness or communication skills would have said?
No explanation was given. We were treated instead to the site of a TV presenter trying in vain to figure out why a cup draw was scratched halfway through.
The role of SFA president requires a degree of communication skills, which Mr McRae was hugely bereft of yesterday.
As for the SFA itself, I went to their official site this morning to check the spelling of McRae’s name, only to find they still list Campbell Ogilvie as president, despite McRae’s appointment 8 months ago.
It beggars belief. They just don’t care enough to get the easy things right.
As for getting Morton at Celtic Park! Ooft. After Ross County repeating their Hampden trick on us, Morton will fancy the same.
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16 ROADS – CELTIC ÜBER ALLES…
Would Leon Trotsky be welcome?
What about Vladimir Lenin
Pol Pot?
Chairman Mao?
Did you just search wikipedia for ‘communist’? I’m presuming that as the response is so laughably out of kilter with the MODERN DAY examples I provided. One of whom was a Celtic employee for many years, despite open knowledge of his crimes. Firstly, socialist doesn’t equal communist. And just because wikipedia reckons someone was a communist doesn’t make them so. However, you raise an interesting point, because you forgot that other noted historic lefty Michael Davitt. Another dodgy terrorist of the type you so despise.
The only problem is that Davit laid the first turf at Celtic park and was made honorary patron of the club. I think therefor that your disdain is somewhat misplaced.
This old Socialism chestnut again.
I know! But Celtic will go and peskily have a history of involving socialists – up till the venture capitalist dogs took hold and brought valueless customers on the scene. Of the sort that don’t want their genteel Saturdays spoilt by poor people demanding equality. Or recognition. Or not being criminalised.
Sure didn’t even Hitler himself claim to be a “Socialist”?
The pope claims to be infallible and a messenger of God. Peter Sutcliffe claims god tells him to kill people. What exactly is your point? That lunatics try to justify their lunacy by attaching a favourable term to it?
And you’ll still hopefully be thinking about Michael Davitt at this point. You know, the IRB guy. The land reform guy. The socialist (a bit like Brother Walfrid actually, but without the fundamentalist god botherer bit)
What is Socialism? How does one define the term?
Why not try wikipedia? It’s where you appear to get the rest of your information from? If you don’t like the definition, just change it. Anyone can.
If you think I’m going to spend my time trying to explain something to you that you’re arguing *against*? I’d suggest you know what socialism is *before* posting. Or, if you have a point to make, make it directly instead of trying to obfuscate.
Are the far-left thugs of ANTIFA welcome at Celtic?
I know far left members of various ANTIFA groups. I wouldn’t characterise guys that put their safety in the line of fire against the oppression of others thugs. But feel free to enlighten me as to what exactly makes them ‘thugs’ and not activists. Unless of course you’re a pacifist and decry all moves to violence with the same accusation of thug. I suspect you are not a pacifist however.
So yes – I’d say absolutely members of ANITFA groups would be welcome at Celtic Park. Anyone prepared to stand up to bullies and oppressors deserves credit. The far right believe in oppression. It’s not ‘freedom of speech’ to exercise freedom of oppression. The far right oppress gays, trans people, females, liberals, pretty much anyone that gets in their way – and they need to be stopped. By any means necessary. If you had ever crossed paths with them you might have a different outlook. They hate Celtic. And they would have no problem kicking 7 bells out of you simply because you don’t match their ideology. Antifa make the streets safer for people. That may no be a message you like, or one that you understand, but they do.
The history of Celtic is littered with ‘far-left thugs’.
/p
Hi,Paddy.
How about this for a hypothesis?
The far left IS the far right.
Stalin IS Hitler. He just had a higher body count.
Who posted
“The Pope claims to be infallible?”
The Pope is infallible, but only in matters,of dogma and then when in conjunction with the bishops they proclaim a doctrine to be true.
It is not a CLAIM.
It’s a matter of fact handed down from Jesus himself.
“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven.”
The history of Celtic is littered with talented left wingers.
Charlie Tully, John Hughes, Bobby Lennox in my lifetime.
We had our fair share of right wingers also.
Johnny Higgins the Jinky being the outstanding ones.
What is it about Viewpark?
‘GG on 10th February 2016 4:22 am
I was tempted to climb on to that one too. :-)
One doctrinal proclamation in my longish lifetime,I think.
GG
Charlie,I think, was on the right……….7-1 game. …of happy memory.
3 minutes to eat my last block of chocolate, and drink my final soda.
Biscuits are finished and no packs of Kit Kats or Chocolate digestives are left in the cookie drawer.
The grand kids will have slim pickings when they raid the cookie jars and biscuit drawer.
Ashes on forehead at lunchtime tomorrow and the fast will be in full flow.
The Lenten Observance begins, even for old codgers like me.
Macjay
He was on the left for most of his appearances I believe.
I saw him at Broomfield on March 17th 1954 when we won 6-0 on our way to the double.
Even the sun shone that day, and the fans sang Hail Glorious St Patrick.
I remember the walk to and from the game as if it were yesterday.
Even if I can hardly remember yesterday.
P8ddy,
great reply, the problem in today’s sociopolitical landscape is that the western so called democracy’s have moved so far right that people don’t recognise themselves for what they are, 16 roads and a few others come on condemning socialism as a far left political/economic philosophy when 50/30 years ago only the Americans would have made that claim, Americans who at the time were building an empire.
They described the sociopolitical landscape with a circle showing the left and right arc’s of the circle with political bias, it really never worked but for their purposes and for the hard of thinking who only ever looked to have their ignorance re-enforced it’s structure was/is never questioned.
It used to be that communism was the far left and socialism was left with mixed economy as centre left.
So to use their stupid analogy, what we now have is that the circle has moved right one place and Socialism is now considered far left, mixed economy as left and tory policy is now considered centre left, while nationalism is considered centre right and fascism/imperialism are considered right and are the current main player in so called western democracy’s.
Communism is now so perverted and misrepresented by the imperial fascists it is no longer understood by most and has simply been lumped under the socialism banner to associate extreme political philosophy/economics with both.
At least that’s my observation.
‘GG on 10th February 2016 5:06 am
Tully,Collins,McPhail,Wilson and Mochan.
As a wee guy, I saw him at Parkhead taking a corner from the right ,putting it behind and being booed by the Jungle.
Right at the end of his career. Perhaps his last game.
A poignant moment, G.G.
Winning Captains on 9th February 2016 11:44 pm
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Wim walked away because, Fergus chose to keep the bad smell that was CEO Jock Brown who made the workplace one, insufferable ordeal for anyone who wasn’t prepared to be a puppet.
Wim wanted to recruit ‘two’ players to keep the momentum going after, stopping the 10.
The ‘two’ players were, John Collins of Monaco and, PVH…canny remember who he was with at the time but, can ye imagine a front pairing of – Henrik and, PVH ?
A PVH, managed by a manger who was more astute than what PVH had previously experienced at Celtic Park.
A front two of – Henrik and Pierre and, a midfield ‘3’ of, Collins, Burley, Lambert….why would that be viewed from any other angle than – improving the product on the pitch ? Do the Celtic support not deserve to be treated to a product that, if it’s not increased in quality then, it should surely set out to maintain that quality.
Across the city at the time, the huns had responded to Jansen’s success by, bringing in Advocatte and, the start of the train wreck, all because…Celtic pressed they’re buttons.
Did Fergus deny the return of, Collins and Pierre because he had ‘issues’ with both players on their previous stint at the club ?
Did Fergus put his own, personal ‘bag’ ahead of the quality of the product on the pitch ?
Did Fergus, possibly ?….Deny the club a £20 million CL-money-pot by, his childish, selfish bickering with the successful management team who,….imho….would have taken the club into their 1st ‘ever’ Cl-Group-Stage, by overcoming Dynamo Zagreb ?
Cliques and cronyism have at, various times in Celtic’s history….booted the fans in the haw-maws.
Look at the amount of green & white hoped knives that have been stuck into David Hay’s back by the club over the years and, maybe you’ll understand why his realistic take on the Celtic manager situation is, fas more authentic than, Tom Boyd’s imho…..is TB not an employee of celtic with his Celtic TV stuff and, ye know what ?….Some of the stuff that TB comes away with on Celtic TV is, Celtic View(pravda) induced.
Cliques and, Cronyism don’t equate to, all inclusive….imho.
…..aye…..
HH
Off oot to get my ashes and, light a wee candle that, one day….Celtic FC will be run by, the immigrants, the asylum seekers, the poor, the oppressed.
Bye Celts.
Good morning fellas from a dry, clear skied and frosty East KIlbride. A scrape of the windscreen required then off for the ole Ashes.
The very best of luck to our young Bhoys this evening in their last 16 knock out tie against Valencia in the UEFA Youth League. £5 pay at the gate (£2 concessions) or (like me) get home from work in time to catch the action on BT Sport Europe – 5.00pm kick off.
KeV
I’m pretty sure both Davie and Tom have roles at the club
P8DDY on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 2:37 AM
16 ROADS – CELTIC ÜBER ALLES…
Would Leon Trotsky be welcome?
What about Vladimir Lenin
Pol Pot?
Chairman Mao?
Did you just search wikipedia for ‘communist’? I’m presuming that as the response is so laughably out of kilter with the MODERN DAY examples I provided. One of whom was a Celtic employee for many years, despite open knowledge of his crimes. Firstly, socialist doesn’t equal communist. And just because wikipedia reckons someone was a communist doesn’t make them so. However, you raise an interesting point, because you forgot that other noted historic lefty Michael Davitt. Another dodgy terrorist of the type you so despise.
The only problem is that Davit laid the first turf at Celtic park and was made honorary patron of the club. I think therefor that your disdain is somewhat misplaced.
This old Socialism chestnut again.
I know! But Celtic will go and peskily have a history of involving socialists – up till the venture capitalist dogs took hold and brought valueless customers on the scene. Of the sort that don’t want their genteel Saturdays spoilt by poor people demanding equality. Or recognition. Or not being criminalised.
Sure didn’t even Hitler himself claim to be a “Socialist”?
The pope claims to be infallible and a messenger of God. Peter Sutcliffe claims god tells him to kill people. What exactly is your point? That lunatics try to justify their lunacy by attaching a favourable term to it?
And you’ll still hopefully be thinking about Michael Davitt at this point. You know, the IRB guy. The land reform guy. The socialist (a bit like Brother Walfrid actually, but without the fundamentalist god botherer bit)
What is Socialism? How does one define the term?
Why not try wikipedia? It’s where you appear to get the rest of your information from? If you don’t like the definition, just change it. Anyone can.
If you think I’m going to spend my time trying to explain something to you that you’re arguing *against*? I’d suggest you know what socialism is *before* posting. Or, if you have a point to make, make it directly instead of trying to obfuscate.
Are the far-left thugs of ANTIFA welcome at Celtic?
I know far left members of various ANTIFA groups. I wouldn’t characterise guys that put their safety in the line of fire against the oppression of others thugs. But feel free to enlighten me as to what exactly makes them ‘thugs’ and not activists. Unless of course you’re a pacifist and decry all moves to violence with the same accusation of thug. I suspect you are not a pacifist however.
So yes – I’d say absolutely members of ANITFA groups would be welcome at Celtic Park. Anyone prepared to stand up to bullies and oppressors deserves credit. The far right believe in oppression. It’s not ‘freedom of speech’ to exercise freedom of oppression. The far right oppress gays, trans people, females, liberals, pretty much anyone that gets in their way – and they need to be stopped. By any means necessary. If you had ever crossed paths with them you might have a different outlook. They hate Celtic. And they would have no problem kicking 7 bells out of you simply because you don’t match their ideology. Antifa make the streets safer for people. That may no be a message you like, or one that you understand, but they do.
The history of Celtic is littered with ‘far-left thugs’.
/p
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Thanks for the considered response.
However, I disagree with everything that you have written.Sorry to say.
See you have just confirmed what I have stated with regards to this “Socialism” thing – It’s all open to interpretation.
The Celtic Football Club, if it is to be categorised into any one particular title – then it certainly has to be this – a Christian club, not socialist, but Christian – if that’s what you insist on doing.
Communism and in all it’s different forms and guises,and there are many – Communism is incompatible with Christianity – simple as that.
And you are going to sit there and try to tell me that ANTIFA are not disciples of Karl Marx?
I’ll tell you exactly what ANTIFA are, first and foremost – Anti-Christian, that’s what.
Then there you go with the old minority rights chestnut, the feminist groups and the gay groups – if ANTIFA are so concerned about the rights of those minority groups – should they not be targeting those whom bury women up to their necks in sand and throw bricks at their heads for committing alleged adultery, or flinging alleged gays off tall buildings?
That’s cultural Marxism, the definition of hypocrisy.
As for labelling me a far-right extremist – a don’t think so. I am without politics, I don’t vote nor support any political party, left, right or centre.
Yes, I despise Communism in all it’s forms – see your greedy corrupt politicians, they are all Marxist parasites in my opinion.
See you’ll shout the odds about MIB referees, while extolling the virtues of Communism/Socialism – even though the Masonic, Communists and Zionism are basically the same thing, as I have already explained here previously.
Furthermore, the continuing criminalisation of Celtic supporters is nothing but a disgrace in this day and age. I support FAC and any Celtic supporter whom is victimised – and that includes Antifa Celts. It makes no difference to me.
Lastly – you doubt that I am a pacifist – well that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Don’t forget that you started this discussion – trying to dictate who should and who shouldn’t be welcome at Celtic Park.
What I try to do is highlight the fact that we all have different opinions as to what Brother Walfrid would say.
I’m finished with this,and I am not changing my mind for yerself or anyone else – also I don’t like the tone of your statement, or your cheeky attitude, which is unnecessary.
Good luck.
Excellent piece on BBC Breakfast there regarding EPL ticket prices. Both the Football Supporters First and the Spirit of Shankley representatives presented their case well.
A good point was made, would the EPL be such a marketable product without passionate support?
Football tourism isn’t a nice term. I think it belittles neutrals who pay good money to watch a football match, but surely a stadium full of such people is bad for the EPL. The club’s really need to reconsider how they charge their core support.
the cultural fascist speaks
Sorry, I didn’t see your response SFTB.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 12:51 AM
16 roads
“SFTB – Is that you crying racist once again? ”
It’s me saying the guy you admire has a self-inflicted record- he “silenced” himself. The State did not make him a mortgage fraudster, a football hooligan, an assault perpetrator, or a person who crossed a border on a false passport? Does this “brave” individual ever take personal responsibility for his own actions? Did a big boy make him do all these things?
And neither was Dylann Roof set up, except by the white supremacist community that he and Tommy/Stephen admire so much. Do you still stand by that?
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First and foremost – Yes, I am of the opinion that some of those shooters in the states are drugged up patsys – set up by the federal government to incite either a race or civil war, so that martial law can be implemented at anytime.
Secondly with regards to Stephen Lennon – what do I admire about the character in question – two things only from what I know.
1.He is a very brave person.
2. He isn’t a tout, refuses point blank to stand up in court and testify or even bring charges against any of his many assailants.
That’s all for now. When I read his book I’ll get back to you.
The reviews say it’s an excellent read, well the verified purchase ones do anyway.
Cheerio the noo.
Good morning to you Canamalar.
16..,
You have more in common with Islamic jihadists than 99% of the Celtic support.
Yet proclaim who should be welcome to Celtic Park.
Was there a full moon last night ?
No Canamalar, unlike you I am not a dictator – the far-left wing on here stated their opinion as to who shouldn’t be welcome at Celtic Park.
My response was that I don’t think that Brother Walfrid would be over the moon with the Communist/Marxist division of the support – specifically due to the fact that Brother Walfrid was, to the best of my knowledge, a Christian fellow.
Communism being the antithesis of Christianity, and all that there and all.
I’m not calling for anybody to be banned or censored.
Get it?
GG,
I’m just a wee bit too young to remember John Higgins; but my Dad used to speak to me of him with awe in his voice. I think only Jinky came close to him, in my Dad’s eyes.
Good morning CQN
Hope to see more of this protest (German story linked)against the greed culture
If we could only mobilise communist marxist division at Celtic park:-))) im a season ticket holder and somehow i missed this section, sounds like my kinda thing too going to contact the JPTaylor on twitter ask about moving in to that section
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/09/borussia-dortmund-football-fans-ticket-protest?CMP=share_btn_tw
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON…
Hi,Paddy.
Good evening! :)
How about this for a hypothesis?
The far left IS the far right.
What comes next? War is peace? Freedom is slavery?
Frankly, the idea that the left wing is right wing is nonsense . A myth peddled by those who wish to float ever more right. It’s a lie pedalled to undermine anyone taking direct action against their oppressors.
Stalin IS Hitler. He just had a higher body count.
Revisionist lies. I’m making no case for Stalin, but the idea that his body count was up with Hitlers is an invention. Again, not justifying Stalin, but that myth is up there with ‘Gerry Adams is a baby killer!!!” et al.
/p
Lionroars67
The GB did something similar at St Johnstone (they kicked footballs into the stadium from the car park) to highlight how kick off times were being controlled by SKY with no thought for supporters. It was a 6pm midweek kick off.
Some truly weird contributions to CQN these days.
Reading that the rumenigge led eca are looking at a revisal of the champs league format
They want 20 teams from the top 5 leagues ( Spain Germany Italy France England )
Also talking about automatic qualification for the ” big ” clubs without domestic league position qualifying
‘GG…
The Pope is infallible, but only in matters,of dogma and then when in conjunction with the bishops they proclaim a doctrine to be true.
I posted it. And it’s every bit as preposterous a claim as David Icke’s ‘lizard people’.
It is not a CLAIM.
I IS a claim. Whether or not you believe it, it is a claim. For it to be fact you’d have to A. prove Jesus exists, and B. Prove the Catholic Church is the one true church. Good luck with that.
It’s a matter of fact handed down from Jesus himself.
Not. Sure. If. Serious.
But I’ll go with it. God is a myth. Part of a social construct designed to control and and exploit. God/Jesus/The Holy Ghost do not exist. It’s not even that they’re dead, they’re just part of the biggest scam in history. The puppets for con men the world over to control folk en masse.
“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven.”
Inconveniently, there’s no heaven either. Part of the same God fairy tale.
Ordinarily I wouldn’t be so blunt, my Mother is a believer and I respect her, and your right to believe in whatever creature makes you feel better about yourself and the world. However, when present with statements like the above, then in essence the gloves are off – If you’re going to force religion on me, I’ll force my own views back.
And those are – Successive Popes have been enablers for fascist dictators, for paedophiles, for war mongers and for anyone with a cheque book large enough to enrich the church. God doesn’t exist. Religion is a deeply unhealthy belief system that does more damage then god.
So…. now we’re on the page page….
/p
Hamiltontim on 10th February 2016 8:58 am
Yes it looks like the supporters are revolting, long live the revolution :-))))
Hope you are well mate
When you factor in the economic realities of many of Liverpools fans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3264696/Liverpool-season-ticket-holders-pay-average-46-Premier-League-match-double-price-Stoke-fans-fork-out.html
16..,
who are the far left on here ? and what do you consider far left ?
How did I get the grand title of dictator ?
You have made it very clear you are an imperial fascist as per Gods ruling style being the only correct way to rule and only ruler, no ?
Forgive me if I’ve picked up the wrong connotations that I apply to your rants.
“As for labelling me a far-right extremist – a don’t think so. I am without politics, I don’t vote nor support any political party, left, right or centre.”
Is exactly how all all far right extremists claim to be above politics yet do everything within their power to impose their “no politics” on the rest of us.
I mean it wasn’t that long ago we were having arguments with people who were telling us the capitalism is not politics, using the exact same argument you use to in an attempt impose your doctrine, imperial fascists also want rid of voting.
As I said earlier, too many people are now so confused by the drivel they are fed they don’t know their ares from their elbow and only ever accept the drivel that re-enforces their own ignorant stupidity.
Here’s how I think about it,
I consider myself a Christian,
I hope I am right and there is a God and that the Christ is the son of God.
I believe in the Christ is the son of God, I cannot prove it and neither can anyone else.
I do not believe I have the right to impose my beliefs on any one else.
I accept I may also be wrong and that there may actually be no God.
There is no reason in the world why I cannot have Christian and Socialist beliefs
When a fascist tries to tell me that they are inconsistent and cannot possibly compliment each other I can only pray for that poor misguided idiot, that their road to Damascus moment is not as far away as it sounds.
Jeez, this morning’s posts have me scratching my head…
How DO you put bold font in your posts? What is the correct way to worship the God of WordPress to allow me to achieve this?
16 ROADS – CELTIC ÜBER ALLES… on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:29 AM
‘My response was that I don’t think that Brother Walfrid would be over the moon with the Communist/Marxist division of the support – ‘
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He probably wouldn’t be too happy about the number of supporters who are divorced, or who are living in sin or who practice homosexuality.
And he’d probably think the players’ shorts are a bit well, too short.
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‘Communism being the antithesis of Christianity’
Only if you think it is. I’d have thought ‘from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs’ is compatible with most major religions.
Man convicted of stabbing Celtic fan 40 times hunted by police
A MAN jailed for stabbing a Celtic fan 40 times is being hunted by police after going into hiding. Police have launched a manhunt after Sean Tait, 27, breached the terms of his licence and is now wanted for a recall to prison.
Tait, from Newcastle’s Belgrave Parade, was sent to a young offender’s institution in 2006 for launching a vicious attack on Celtic fan Gary Buckley.
According to local news reports at the time, Mr Buckley, from Glasgow, had only been in Newcastle for a matter of hours before he became separated from friends on a drinking session. He met a group of teens but they began taunting him over his support of Celtic.
Locals raised the alarm after they saw Tait and two others kicking him as he lay near Newcastle’s Summerhill Square.
Mr Buckley, who was 26 at the time, was set upon by Tait, who stabbed him in the back, face, body and legs with a knife, puncturing both of his lungs. He survived the ordeal after being admitted to intensive care.
Maidin mhaith CQN.
This blog is getting far too frivolous and light-hearted for my liking.
Árd Macha
SCULLYBHOY on 10TH FEBRUARY 2016 9:32 AM
Jeez
Can’t we just send people like that to Australia?