Being responsible is not always easy, especially when it comes to running a football club, where playing to the gallery offers vastly better short-term returns, and no doubt a rush of endorphins.
If your fans are engaged in an activity which regularly brings them to the attention of the courts, and your club into disrepute, it doesn’t matter what you think of the apparent offense. You may chant an offending song in the shower every morning month, but your only public comment on the matter can be to chastise and urge fans to desist.
Clubs in Scotland voted against what is known as strict liability. This means they are not held responsible for transgressions by their fans – and who wants to be held responsible for the actions of others who protected from personal liability by hiding in a crowd.
Part of the deal on not having strict liability is that clubs must demonstrate that they take all steps necessary to dissuade and educate their fans from carrying out criminal or regulatory offenses. It’s simply not possible for club to tell fans their illegal actions were justified, as this would place the club itself in the firing line.
The nonsense following the Scottish Cup final is all background noise as far as we are concerned, but be aware the contagion will spread beyond those you could consider highly dysfunctional operators.
Solving Kids Cancer in memory of Oscar Knox
Our own Bundoran Bhoy will run the Edinburgh Marathon on Sunday on behalf of Solving Kids Cancer. He has put in an enormous amount of work ahead of the event, for a cause which you are only too familiar with.
26 miles is a long way to run. You can give him some encouragement on his Just Giving page.
Good luck, Tommy.
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Herald Group –not sure why they would turn down one of the biggest sport / corruption stories in Scotland when the target is the SFA.
I would imagine Dave King would also be happy to see the SFA cleaned out ; King ignoring a snivelling Regan at the post cup final aftermath was pathetic for Regan and showed his contempt for them.
Assuming collusion between SFA and the Oldco. Who takes the rap. In the SFA , Ogilvie is gone. Newco , Sevco clean ?
It would be interesting to know why the Herald Group would walk away from a ringside seat at the story of the last 4 years.
BUNDORANBHOY will sort you out with a couple of bucks when I next see you T. Maybe a celebration pint in the rams.
A big well done kiddo you are some man.
HH
KTF
UTLR
Boaby
Could you hook up An Tearmann with my Email addy.
I’m no wantin’ to be pasting stuff and become a diddy :-)
Mighty Tim, indeed, Morrisey23rd, without whom we wouldn’t have gotten the signatures needed to get it started.
Lucky Cody, King know’s the SFA will do his will, so why would he want them cleared out?
We were never paranoid enough.
Mighty Tim
Cheers brother. Deffo need a catchup
HH
WC
They are under pressure eh.
Heraid havering bout ownership.
Why?
Why now?
Offshore ownership in op ed piece. Contrasted with a stinted bit bout the offshore games investigations into the cheating going on at ibrokes and their rentboys on floor 6hampden
I dont recall Sir Dave of cheat being subjected to investigation.
So what is the story media men?
What is the sublime prince of the royal secret….secret?
Your a mess meejah
Your narrative aint half changed
http://itsanewclub.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/not-new-club-then-by-retroscot-140.html?m=1
Watingtobetolds
Crayonscrollers
Youz are an affront to journalism
O2
THOMTHETHIM @ 10:53 PM,
No doubt there are some great posters on TSFM, several from this parish both current and erstwhile.
They are often thought provoking comments and insights. There is even quality blogs from time to time.
But for me, as an heir to RTC it’s a non starter.
Canamalar once got a bee in his bonnet (as is his want:) and has manage to achieve more.
If you remember our CEO once made a through away comment about The Rangers and Rory Bremner.
Well, of course The Rangers put in an official complaint.
This was “answered” by a statement from the SFA President – Campbell Ogilvie.
Personally I was none too pleased by this statement.
I wrote an e-mail to Stewart Regan who graciously replied.
Now, I thought his reply deserved a viewing outside CQN…
It had his views on CO’s comments
It had SR’s views on Oldco/Newco
And
Most importantly, it confirmed that the SFA had infact used the clause in their Articles of Association, headed – Prohibition of Transfer of Membership.
To transfer oldco’s membership to newco.
Quite a significant e-mail at the time.
Well I tried to post to no avail
Tried to register to no avail
E-mailed them to no avail
Not the slightest bit interested…
These chaps seem to run the site for their delectation.
Since they have been running the site, I can’t think of a single major exclusive or initiative they’ve taken to further their aims.
While all of us could name a dozen sites that have shown more endeavour and edge.
I’m not in the business of dissing anyone and as I’ve already said, they have some seriously good contributors, but considering their resources what have they really achieved.
And why do they take it upon themselves to look down their noses at those who don’t “fit”…
Hail Hail
Lucky Cody, why would they ignore, turn down a story?
Doesn’t fit their narrative?
Of message, and news for their demographic?
Lots of reasons.
WILLMACUFREE on 30TH MAY 2016 10:57 PM
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Fair enough, so !
:-))
HH
BGFC
Anyone had problems renewing on-line ?
I so want us to sign Will Grigg, just for the song! It’s epic!!!!
TEUCHTER AR LA
Consider it done,mate.
Gimme a minute…
TEUCHTER ARLA
Sorry,bud.
It will have to wait till I get home and get on my lappy.
I’ve not got your addy on my phone for some reason.
Apologies for daftness.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 31ST MAY 2016 1:39 AM
TEUCHTER ARLA
Apologies for daftness.
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`bout time.
:-0
I’d just like to reiterative in the midst of this Res 12 excitement, lets not forget Morrissey23.
Thon, kant still owes me a twenty,
Doc, I think my new seat is right beside you, which means its right beside h, bring yer ear defenders bruv.
H
H
Boaby,
You have mail :-) Aye and make that 2017 :-) again.
Macjay….He’s catchin’ awe the daftness fae me :-) No havin’ ma best night
To be is to do… Kant
TBM
Macjay, there’s no excusing utter stupidity……………….iz thur?
Went out for a smoke this morning and the telly’s in the foyer were running a story about a woman taken by a croc in the Northern Territory. She went swimming at night in croc populated waters where a massive crocodilian was observed the previous evening. WHF, Aye, lets get wur dookers on and get in there.
That’s as dumb as a hun. Sympathy for her family but FFS, how thick as shit are some people (Note that I’m not singling out thick as shit aussies here), as much as I’d love to.
Hope you’re well and flinging shite at your barbecue while arguing wt yer dug.
HH bruv
Roddybhoy on 30th May 2016 11:42 pm
Exiled Tim
Im like you , Im usually a glass half full kinda guy but where res 12 is concerned ..lets just say im very very cautious of getting my hopes up. Way too many times over the past 4 years them and more importantly the SFA seem to wriggle off the hook , nothing seems to stick to them . For the sake of scottish football I hope this finally nails them but I suppose all we can do is hope that justice is finally done . Well done the res 12 guys btw hat doffed in your direction
Roddybhoy
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I think a bit of expectation management is called for here.
Remember that Res12 took its first faltering steps in late June 2013 at which time the same club narrative had not reached full maturity. It was therefore never an objective of Res12 to challenge that narrative. It may be an unforeseen consequence, but it was never the aim of Res12.
Res12 was trying to use the AGM/PLC route to give Celtic shareholders a means of calling the SFA to account and in doing so set a precedent for other clubs with a similar shareholding structure to do the same. The end game was SFA reform by introducing oversight and accountability leading to fairer governance.
I doubt anyone could claim yet that Res12 has made the SFA more accountable. In fact the SFA have strongly resisted attempts to get answers, but Res12 has certainly revealed just how unaccountable the SFA and clubs are and whetted some appetite for reform.
It has also revealed one of the main reasons it has not happened sooner – the media do not see it in their interests to support such an aim because the evidence of misgovernance involves supporters of TRFC who form a goodly size of their readership.
It is possible that if the TOG recommendation for an SFA review, based in one part on the subject of Res12, the processing of the 2011 UEFA Licence, is realised, that Res12 will have played a part in making the SFA accountable but it is a long way from claiming that it has because.
1. UEFA may find reasons not to investigate.
2. They may on investigation find that both RFC and SFA followed the rules as UEFA intended.
3. They may find RFC didn’t but SFA did or
4. both didn’t but in the a latter 3 arrive at a different slap on the wrist sanction.
So once the case has gone to UEFA CFCB, Res12 will be done in the sense that responsibilities to the signatories of the Resolution to take it as far as possible have been met in full by the shareholders representatives.
The adverts however will hopefully make item 1 above more difficult for UEFA but there is a court case going on that stops the evidence that kept Res12 alive becoming public. There is also the final decision on ebts and it may take the conclusion of both to bring about the aims of Res12, but if the governing bodies look ahead to what may come down the pipe they would be foolish imo to dismiss now what they may not be able to later.
Edit:
evidence of misgovernance is unlikely to be welcomed by supporters of TRFC
So, Auldheid, four years or there about’s ago I answered a call from a numbnut called Canamalr on here. His objective was to sink the SFA.
What’s the score?
Any chance of a headsup?
Winning Captains, if you’re not going to use that bottle I’ll have it back. That’s a Friday night for me.
LUCKY CODY on
30TH MAY 2016 11:42PM
Herald Group –not sure why they would turn down one of the biggest sport / corruption stories in Scotland when the target is the SFA.
*it also affects both of the sfa works teams.the dead club sold for a £ liquidated and the post cva fantasy..kinda has societal and social implications for a way of thinkin that honours her majesty yet swindles her tax,*
I would imagine Dave King would also be happy to see the SFA cleaned out ;
*only to reinstate a murrayesque type see nothing approach to reinstating their trough.good criminals learn new tricks.these 2 are off the radar!*
King ignoring a snivelling Regan at the post cup final aftermath was pathetic for Regan and showed his contempt for them.
*convicted criminals tend to do that.it generally what makes them successful.alas kings convictions are fact.his initial rap sheet with money laundering charges is scary, fit and properly so :-) considering the history in the markets of both clubs*
Assuming collusion between SFA and the Oldco. Who takes the rap. In the SFA , Ogilvie is gone. Newco , Sevco clean ?
*assuming -you having a laugh mate?
Collusion starts with accepting myth.it is a new club.not a newco (nuke-o certainly:-) they have 5 fag burns highlighting the agreement that ‘tupes’ life from the old to the new club
Sevco can be whatever but its a new club*
It would be interesting to know why the Herald Group would walk away from a ringside seat at the story of the last 4 years.
*Ringside seat building the myth/becoming fog
Still pullin articles on request of Sir dave of cheating Long after liquidation too.*
*myview*
HH
Reason SMSM are so reticent is because the whole debacle leads back to Murray & the Banks & Austerity.
Elite covered by their minnions. Sad but True….
& that’s only Fitba…
The Res12 guys could have given Bundoran bhoy a few tips on running marathons :-)
Chairbhoy
“Most importantly, it confirmed that the SFA had infact used the clause in their Articles of Association, headed – Prohibition of Transfer of Membership. To transfer oldco’s membership to newco”
Hi Chairbhoy.
Is that not squinted thinkin that sums up this mess.hope your well
HH
https://youtu.be/51Oq9CHblPU
PJBhoy
If we chip at it. It may crack.
from a wee crack – maybe a bigger one…
Viva la Resolutioners
Only Fitba….
But Fitba under Scottish Banks (and their friends) was indicative of a wider unregulated free for all that working people throughout Europe (and the world) are now paying for, or have been convinced to pay for.
DD has his eyes on the investment prize. He understands the rules. First it was MON, now it is BR. Am I happy? Damn right I am, but how easily my happiness is bought, when I contemplate it, and the fact that our majority shareholder is an Allied Irish Banker too…
Respect to BR, respect to the Resolution12 Bhoys. But did it have to reach this stage…?
All things being equal… No, it did not. It’s a shame, a debacle, a farce… But hey, same as it ever was, just amplified by new media.
Let’s see what transpires, in Fitba or elsewhere first.
A CEILER GONOF RUST on 31ST MAY 2016 2:15 AM
Macjay, there’s no excusing utter stupidity……………….iz thur?
Went out for a smoke this morning and the telly’s in the foyer were running a story about a woman taken by a croc in the Northern Territory. She went swimming at night in croc populated waters where a massive crocodilian was observed the previous evening. WHF, Aye, lets get wur dookers on and get in there.
That’s as dumb as a hun. Sympathy for her family but FFS, how thick as shit are some people (Note that I’m not singling out thick as shit aussies here), as much as I’d love to.
Hope you’re well and flinging shite at your barbecue while arguing wt yer dug.
HH bruv
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Mate.
You wouldn`t believe how often this happens.
People camp within gobbling distance of a remote river in an even more remote location.
This particular lady comes from the Blue Mountains which is a couple of thousand K`s South of the area in question.
So , unfamiliar with the surroundings but could not possibly be unaware of the danger.
Late night dip with a female friend !
Drink taken , m`lud ?
Winter here , pal ,but the days are still bright and often sunny , so a barbecue is always on the cards.
Along with the obligatory drop of red.
Currently Glaetzer ” Wallace ” . :-)
An` I give the dog a bone ……..courtesy Ian Dury.
http://www.ianfraser.org/gavin-masterton-and-the-riddle-of-charlotte-18/
TBM
Linda Kowslowski taught me all about Crocs… And I have never been down in Oz.
But Chancellors of the Exchequer taught me more…
TheBarcaMole
Aye. And there (theirs) the rub….
PJBHOYNYC…
For sure.
Appreciate the response…
Regards & Hail Hail
TBM
Off to bed with one final thought…
Barcamole
Journalists like Ian Fraser should be acknowledged for the work they do, as opposed to PR. We can all rightly complain about the lack of integrity in journalism. When someone like Fraser sticks his head up he should be recognized, that is a crowd funding exercise I would support. A people’s Pulitzer if you may. By God we need one, as much as the 4th estate do…
HH
PJBHOYNYC on 31ST MAY 2016 3:22 AM
Linda Kowslowski taught me all about Crocs… And I have never been down in Oz.
But Chancellors of the Exchequer taught me more…
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Linda sadly separated from her downunder beau.
Who has had BIG probs with the taxman.
The real crocs.