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I may have told you this before, apologies if I’m repeating myself.  Around 20 years ago, in a TV studio minutes after a Rangers victory, a former captain, Terry Butcher (what ever happened to him?), told the audience, “David Murray will not stop until he’s won two European Cups and 10 in a row.”

Use of the personal term “he”, not the club name, struck me.  Murray was personally invested in this matter.  Such a burning desire did not make David Murray a bad person, he owned the dominant club in Glasgow, but the team he was dominating had all that glorious history.  If the boot was on the other foot, you’d want the same.  I would.

Perhaps if Jock Stein had stayed at Hibs, Celtic would have stayed in mediocrity, David Murray would have had a more affordable dream and the liquidation of his club would not have been necessary.

You know it’s true…….

On Tuesday’s STV report that Hearts manager, John McGlynn, said:

“How many fans would think they could win the league if Celtic weren’t in it at this stage? All [clubs’] fans would.

“That would cause great excitement and I think it would bring fans back to the game, at the lower clubs.

“If you look at the rest of us outside Rangers and Celtic, we’d all fill our stadiums if we thought we’d realistically have a chance of winning the league.”

There are screeds written and spoken about our game but the McGlynn Plan is the most productive comment I’ve read all year.  Well done to STV for the report, hopefully they will put the same questions to others in the league. This is the most important question for Scottish football right now.

It’s time for these clubs to throw off their downtrodden ways and genuinely compete for the Scottish title.

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  1. JJ

     

    young Jamie in Arbroath this weekend,

     

    somepeople saw he looks like some guy currently on the x factor but as I dont watch it I cant tell you what he looks like.. o))

  2. ernie:

     

     

    Mate I was trying to highlight how fast the news was spreading and how each news outlet is inspired to unique and evocative journalism. I think each of those that I quoted came from Press Association Ltd.

     

     

    It was sort of tongue in cheek stuff.

     

     

    So there is not really any point in telling you what the Benbecula Times has to say on the subject. Too many Tims on the books there for it to be impartial anyway.

  3. Rogueleader

     

     

    Top post.

     

     

    I had a wee root around twitter last night. Long ball tactic was getting pelters. A couple of incredible twitter highlights was one long established twitterer saying he intended ‘walking away’ and the oft repeated ‘at least we can’t get Celtic’.

  4. kitalba

     

     

    11:14 on 1 November, 2012

     

     

    I just didn’t want you bhoys out in the colonies thinking that the demise of the huns was front page news in all the wee newsagents the length and breadth of Scotland.

     

     

    I know how susceptible you are to romanticise what it’s like back here.

  5. Reposting this from previous as it puts focus on the Scottish Government’s lack of action in the past and also mentions the establishment of an independent expert group headed by a Dr Morrow to advise on measures to eradicate sectarianism.

     

     

    A development to watch.

     

     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-19749789

     

     

    Big Nan

     

     

     

    06:50 on 1 November, 2012

     

     

     

    Top of the morning to you all from a still-dark Fife.

     

     

    There is a good article on the Courier website at

     

     

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/National/article/25732/raith-rovers-chairman-fires-volley-at-holyrood-over-its-efforts-to-address-sectarianism.html

     

     

    In this piece Raith Rovers Chairman Turnbull Hutton gives the Scottish Government a dressing down for their sham Sectarian legislation:-

     

     

    Raith Rovers chairman fires volley at Holyrood over its efforts to address sectarianism

     

    The Scottish Government has been blasted by a football chairman over its attempts to tackle sectarianism.

     

     

    Turnbull Hutton of Raith Rovers questioned whether progress has been made since infamous clashes between the Rangers and Celtic managers during an Old Firm game in March sparked a nationwide debate.

     

     

    The Fife club became embroiled when director Eric Drysdale’s involvement in an SFA tribunal charged with imposing sanctions on Rangers was revealed.

     

     

    Police were called in when Rovers received chilling threats, including one to burn down its Stark’s Park home.

     

     

    Journalist Alex Thomson’s recent Channel 4 blog backed claims some Rangers fans resorted to intimidation in the wake of the club’s demise.

     

     

    A number of other journalists also told of similar threats as a result.

     

     

    Mr Hutton, who emerged as a supporters’ hero when he criticised the SFA and SPL’s attempts to deal with the Rangers newco during the summer, said it backs his belief the Scottish Government has shown a general lack of leadership in dealing with the sort of intimidation his club was subjected to.

     

     

    He said yesterday: ”This is not a Raith Rovers issue.

     

     

    ”Life goes on in Kirkcaldy whatever division Rangers are in and we get on with it.

     

    ”But I find it strange that we’ve gone from a view that we’re the greatest little country in the world to a position where we’re going to be voting for independence two years down the line and we’re still talking about sectarianism.

     

     

    ”Jack McConnell (former First Minister) at least made an attempt to address an issue that he saw as demeaning for Scotland and there were two or three conferences where church leaders and politicians spoke about the issue.

     

     

    ”Alex Salmond comes along and does nothing before Neil Lennon and Ally McCoist have a handbags session and suddenly Salmond’s in there holding a conference involving police, politicians, football clubs, church leaders,politicians, TV people — the lot.

     

     

    ”What’s happened to that?

     

     

    ”But it’s clearly far more wide-ranging than just football clubs and something has to be done about it.”

     

     

    The risk to Stark’s Park itself was raised by Fife Police, who acted on information from Strathclyde Police — a threat Hutton described as ”credible and factual”.

     

     

    But asked if more needs to be done to curtail the kind of behaviour that arose a few months ago, Mr Hutton added: ”I don’t think Alex Thomson’s blog leaves a lot of follow-up questions, other than for the West of Scotland and for Strathclyde Police.

     

     

    ”But if Alex Thomson’s blog is in any way accurate, all of this is happening in the greatest little country in the world two years away from an independence vote and nobody is saying a thing.

     

     

    ”I have to ask where the leadership is in Holyrood on this issue?”’

     

     

    A Scottish Government spokesperson highlighted a number of key initiatives ministers feel will make a difference.

     

     

    ”The Scottish Government have made clear that bigotry and hatred will not be tolerated and we are taking forward a wide range of action to eradicate sectarianism once and for all in Scotland.

     

     

    ”Clearly, it cannot be tackled overnight but strong progress is being made.

     

     

    ”We’ve brought in new legislation to give police and prosecutors additional tools in their armoury to punish those who peddle sectarian hatred, including a new offence of threatening communications.

     

     

    ”This is being backed by £9 million over the next three years to help organisations take forward wider work to tackle sectarianism because we’ve always said tackling bigotry isn’t just about legislation or just about football. And only last month, we appointed a new independent expert group to help advise on current and future policies to eradicate sectarianism in Scotland, chaired by Dr Duncan Morrow.”

  6. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on

    No matter how invisible the coverage of the death of the huns and their dying spawn in the msm, the hurt of their supporters does not go away.

     

     

    Will not go awy.

     

     

    Ever.

     

     

    They are seriously damaged and without redemption.

     

     

    Dear God thank you and my Dad for making me a Tim.

  7. Philbhoy @11 05

     

     

    Nasser —– sounds accurate .

     

     

    3 million lined the streets of Cairo for Om Kalthoum’s funeral { 1975?] —– huge numbers turned out all across Egypt . Massive turnout on the streets of the Maghreb , the Middle East and the Horn of Africa . Millions and millions paid their respects .

     

     

    Sold more tunes than Elvis and Frank Sinatra combined

  8. Philbhoy - It's just the beginning! on

    Has the wee fat noxious one been nominated for Sports Person of the Year yet?

     

     

    Well, ye never know!

  9. Ernie:

     

     

    Another dagger through a proud Scotsman’s heart, I don’t know how much more I can take.

     

     

    Ah! I suppose I’ll just have to soldier on.

     

     

    Hey! just out of curiosity… are you a defrocked judge?

     

     

    Just askin’ like.

  10. Marrakesh Express on

    For anyone who watches soccer am…wouldnt it be good if Frankie Fryer did the ibrox tour this week and lined up Green, Whyte, Duff and Phelps to do….’I know what time it is, you know what time it is, they know what time it is?’.

     

    G W D P…’Its Liquidation time…ooosshhh!’

     

     

    hh

  11. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    Sixtaeseven 9:46

     

     

    From the Glasgow Herald this morning:

     

     

    “Lord Hodge was asked to allow Duff & Phelps to exit as administrators with partners from accountancy and audit firm BDO, James Stephen and Malcolm Cohen, overseeing the winding up of the old firm.

     

     

    Wishful thinking?

     

     

    ————————————————————————-

     

     

    This is exactly the line that we should be encouraging – the Old Firm did indeed “wind up” on 31st October 2012 due to the Liquidation and termination of one member.

  12. Hernryclarkson 11.08

     

     

    Selling drink after hours.

     

     

    So you were reported for another form of Liquid ation.

     

    A67

  13. The deafening sound of silence throughout the MSM made me check out the meaning of “liquidation”.

     

     

    But we can relax , they really are – no more.

     

    Can they still even claim to be “the people”?

     

     

    “We are the zombies ! ?” sounds better.

  14. Steinreignedsupreme on

    Rangers liquidated. Sevco denied a glamour semi-final at Hampden.

     

     

    Seven Hard Days With Francis Gay should be a belter this week.

  15. EmeraldBee\o/ proud to be an internet bampot

     

     

    11:31 on 1 November, 2012

     

     

    Auldheid @11.19

     

     

    And there is not one Catholic in Salmond’s cabinet! You would think that given Scotland’s demographic ……………….!?

     

    ____________________________________________________________________

     

    When Salmond called a Govt-summit after the ‘shame-game’…that was an open goal for the Celtic board to drag all of this – Anti/Celtic/Irish/Catholic-Corruption onto the World Stage. imo.

     

    Celtic should have held a press conference and told the world that – “Under NOOOO circumstances will Celtic Football Club be attending ANY Govt-Summit on the basis of, having three players booked !!!” “End Of !!!”

     

    That would have dragged this – Scandal of a country onto the world stage and, all it’s dirty little secrets would have been laid bare. imo

  16. I’d like someone official from Celtic to nail the ‘old firm’ line that wee Chick and others are spouting. In every post match interview with a Celt on Tuesday he asked if they’d want an ‘old firm’ game in the next round.

     

     

    This isn’t just semantics. There are a few offerings but Professor Tom Devine gives the best researched answer to where this expression came from. At the turn of the century the Boards of Celtic and Rangers (deceased) were in unison in their protracted fight with powerhouse Queen’s Park about professionalism. The ‘old firm argument’ was an expression used in the media about professionalism and in the end was won by Celtic and Rangers (deceased) and football turned professional.

     

     

    Corporate structures were in place, professionalism surged ahead and the devoutly amateur Queen’s Park sadly faded away from prominence.

     

     

    The term does not refer to the colours or badge of the Rangers strip, the stadium or the fans. It refers to the corporate, professional structure that was born, in tandem with Celtic, that went on to revolutionise football as a professional sport.

     

     

    One of those companies died. You could almost say that Queen’s Park actually won half the battle, in the end. But the ‘Old Firm’ as they became, was not a union of the beautiful game in Glasgow but a union of structure, now torn asunder. A marriage of convenience and Celtic are a widower. Some may grieve, but the funeral was yesterday and we have closure.

     

     

    I have often felt the campaign not to use the term was a futile one. Not that I disagreed with the sentiment that we did not like the permanent association, but until now the actual meaning of the term could not have been questioned or a cogent argument against it been offered other than ‘we don’t like it’. But it can now. One half of the ‘Old Firm’ arguers is dead. We aren’t. No one else can fill that place in history. The Rangers may or may not eventually be pretenders to a slot as one half of the prominent Glasgow Derby. But then again they may be our Tranmere, our Meadowbank Thistle, our Walsall. But whether the dinosaurs like wee Chick like it or not the ‘Old Firm’ died along with Rangers 1872.

     

     

    Good.

  17. A well informed bird told me this week,Tennents are interested in renewing sponsorship with Celtic ,after current deal expires at the end of the season………but not so keen on Sevco…

  18. Interesting point from Paul McConville.

     

     

    Any idea about relative cost of teams.

     

     

     

    Paul McConville

     

    October 31, 2012 at 10:57 pm

     

     

    Ignatius –

     

     

    Yes – it is an easy sum. All of the Rangers team apart from McCulloch and Wallace came through the youth system or as a free transfer. The total transfer fees were £3.75 million for the two named.

     

     

    For Inverness, if you take awy the one player on loan, the frree agaent signings and free transfers, and those who came up through the Caley Thistle youth system, you are left with….

     

     

    …no one.

     

     

    The combined transfer fees for the 13 Inverness players who played tonight was NIL.

  19. The liquidated Rangers did a bit of damage before they went into the blender, but if I remember correctly their friends such as John Yorkston, Chairman of DAFC said that not getting payment from Rangers for their half of the cup-tie between the clubs was quite all right. There was no problem.

     

     

    Seems as if the jovial John might not have been 100% according to reports in this week’s Dunfermline Press after 7 directors quit!

     

     

    Front page leads with:

     

     

    THERE are still concerns about the future of Dunfermline Athletic amid top-level meetings at the club yesterday (Wednesday) and Tuesday.

     

     

    Seven directors resigned from the main board amid rumours sweeping the city that the club was in financial difficulty.

     

     

    Chairman John Yorkston allayed fears on Tuesday of a fall-out at boardroom level but could not be contacted yesterday (Wednesday) to address concerns of a cash crisis at the club.

     

     

    Meetings took place on Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning and, asked to clarify the club’s position, a statement was sent out in Yorkston’s name just before we went to print.

     

     

    It read, “DAFC, in common with most every other football club in Scotland, has to work hard to manage cash flow.

     

     

    “The club has always met our financial obligations in the past and this is something we are working to achieve going forward. What we can say is that we are looking at ways in which the club can attract additional revenue – the new structure will play an important part in this and we look forward to providing clarification in the coming weeks.”.

     

     

     

    ……………………….

     

    DAFC now have only 4 directors. Gavin Masterton (remember him with the toss of a coin?), his daughter, Yorkston and one other.

     

     

    Interesting times indeed.

  20. The Battered Bunnet on

    From the BBC site. I’m guessing the BBC is still refusing to interview LeCoist for fear of what he might come out with next, and are thus simply reporting him in writing.

     

     

    Ally McCoist says the new Rangers’ defeat by Inverness Caley Thistle on the day the “oldco” formerly entered liquidation shows how far they have to go to return to the top flight.

     

     

    The Third Division side were knocked out of the Scottish Communities League Cup 3-0 at Ibrox.

     

     

    “I’m extremely aware of how far we’ve got to travel,” said the Rangers manager.

     

     

    “We have got a long way to go and tonight showed that.”

     

     

    Goals from two brothers – Andrew and Graeme Shinnie – released by Rangers before they dropped out of the Scottish Premier League helped the top-flight visitors into the semi-finals.

     

     

    And McCoist said his side must do better in the Scottish Cup on Saturday against Second Division outfit Alloa Athletic – and in their quest for promotion.

     

     

    “I will not make excuses for the second half performance and I won’t make excuses for the slackness in defending at the three goals,” said McCoist.

     

     

    [Image: McCoist (in an ill-fitting shell suit) looks on in despair as his side head for League Cup defeat]

     

     

    “The league is, without doubt, the most important thing. We have to get out the league. Anything we do in the cups is a bonus.

     

     

    “That said, it is a big disappointment tonight and we’ve got a very big game on Saturday.”

     

     

    McCoist said his side failed to match their performance in the previous round, when they defeated a Motherwell side who were then top of the SPL.

     

     

    “In the second half, Inverness were better than us, without doubt, and deserve to be in the semi-final more than we do,” he said.

     

     

    “It was an opportunity for us to compete against an SPL team again, which we did do against Motherwell.

     

     

    “The level of intensity that we played the game at tonight was miles short of the intensity that we played the game at against Motherwell.

     

     

    “In the second half, we got what we deserved and so did Inverness.”

  21. EmeraldBee\o/ proud to be an internet bampot

     

    11:31 on

     

    1 November, 2012

     

    Auldheid @11.19

     

     

    And there is not one Catholic in Salmond’s cabinet! You would think that given Scotland’s demographic ……………….!?

     

     

    …………

     

     

    No idea about the rest of the Cabinet, but Roseanna Cunningham is Catholic. But hey never let the facts get in the way of your tirade

  22. And another amusing point:

     

     

    And The Spin Keeps Coming:

     

     

    My brief foray into football punditry was prompted by the piece on the official Rangers website reporting on the match.

     

     

    The particular sentence which caught my eye was the first in the piece:-

     

     

    “RANGERS crashed out of the League Cup as SPL side Inverness exploited their youthful inexperience to record an ultimately comfortable victory at Ibrox.”

     

     

    I know that one of the mantras chanted by the fans of Rangers this season is that their team has been disembowelled by the effects of administration, sale of assets, players leaving under TUPE etc.

     

     

    Here too the official Rangers site attributes the outcome to “youthful inexperience”.

     

     

    I added up the ages of the players who made it on to the field for each time.

     

     

    Rangers – 14 players – total age 355 years – AVERAGE AGE 25.3

     

     

    Inverness CT – 13 players – total age 315 years – AVERAGE AGE 24.2

     

     

    I looked too at the Celtic team from last night.

     

     

    Celtic – 14 players – total age 344 years – AVERAGE AGE 24.5

     

     

    Maybe Rangers suffered from “youthful inexperience” (and two of their players were teenagers as opposed to one from Inverness) but looking at the figures, their SPL opponent were even more inexperienced.

     

     

    Mind you, one cannot help but feel sympathy for an attempt to excuse what must be a demoralising defeat, after the high hopes which followed on from the previous round’s win over Motherwell, and the weekend victory at Clyde.

  23. A Napoli website ———

     

     

    ” Glasgow —addio all Old Firm . I Rangers non sono di piu ”

     

     

    Goodbye to the Old Firm . Rangers are no more [ dead ! ]

  24. The huns are biblically dead, but not all is joy and light ‘cause amongst us walks the devil incarnate and in my parochial colonial paranoia I think that incarnate bears more than passing resemblance to Campbell Ogilvie.

     

     

    I have a seventh sense… I see rabid huns hiding behind ties. (sometimes – with their mum’s help – they can even put a respectable knot into them, but some of them are ahead of the game… they buy the pre-knotted ones.)

  25. Correction DAFC now have only 4 directors. Gavin Masterton (remember him with the toss of a coin?), his two daughters and John Yorkston.

  26. Celtic have no reason to have joint sponsorship with any team.The directors must make this very clear.We stand alone.HH

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