40 years of B team failure


In the grand scheme of things, it might not seem to matter that Celtic’s B team have no reserve league to compete in next season.  It will not determine the outcome of the league title and will affect Premiership teams equally.  The impact of what happens in reserve football are, however, real and long lasting.

For decades, Celtic have dominated Scottish youth leagues, yet the ability to transform players who shine in their age group into first team regulars is woeful.  James Forrest, Callum McGregor and the superstar from Wishaw are all we are inclined to talk about since Paul McStay bookended the golden two decades 40 years ago.  Compare that to the relative success of Hibs, Aberdeen, United, Motherwell, even Hamilton Accies!

Reasons for failures are usually complex and simplistic explanations by outsiders should come with a Dunning-Kruger health warning, but I know multiple iterations of Celtic coaches have bemoaned the lack of competition our development squads face.

A young David Turnbull at Motherwell would have taken midfield responsibility as his side battled teams of equal or greater ability.  The same player at Celtic would play in a team that dominated possession every week and always faced weaker opponents.  No one improves their sharpness, industry or skill continually facing weaker opposition.

The consequence of all this is that we can expect our finest talent to wither on the vine more often than grab a pitch-side megaphone unless and until they face better players week-in, week-out.

The perennial ‘Colts team’ proposition now sits with the Scottish Lowland League, which I do not expect is of a great standard, although many of their pitches are better than their SFL counterparts.  It is better than nothing and possibly better that a Premiership Reserve league, however, if we want to reverse a 40 year trend, we will need to be far more creative.

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  1. An Tearmann on



    i was going to answer your points


    as usual no link or source provided.a common theme of yours



    Hardly suprising eh


    once of working class stock now your head is fried with Brexit and like your hero the ever charitable George Galloway now bedpatting and working with Tories


    you are as confused about politics as when you used to rant about Tony and betraying rhe working class.


    just a confused mess.


    your giro will be ok T dont worry.


    if only George stood without the Tories or the brexit mob.he betrayed.just like tony

  2. Re Season tickets…It was reported a couple of days ago that ‘they’ had sold 20,000 season tickets in the first ten days of being on sale.

  3. Tontine Tim on

    BANKIEBHOY1 on 6TH MAY 2021 1:29 PM



    Didn’t the huns fold the reserves league when they knew they were a busted flush financially?



    *I believe it was when we were on the verge of NIAR.

  4. An Tearmann on

    Frank Terry


    setting free the bears



    pint owed and never ignored by me anyway







    psssh. howsh the teef?




  5. Tontine Tim on

    As we all sit here some of us on various sites greetin like big weans over missing oot on the ten let me take you all back tae 51 year ago the day when I sat on the concrete step at the San Siro wondering what the donald duck had happened.



    This was the team that 3 weeks before had, not the first time or last, won the “Battle of Britain” and in between both ties had been robbed of a back to back treble by a mitb that make the current ones clones of St Theresa of Calcutta.



    Apart from the result that was one of the best days I ever had supporting the bhoys, from the minute I stepped on tae the coach at Alexandria Fountain with 2 pals who are sadly no longer with us until we departed from a strike torn Milan airport we, Celtic supporters, behaved impeccably.



    The organisation like the game itself was a shambles, it had been a toss up between Rome and Milan and football as a spectator sport lost out, nae programmes, stewards or any attempt to assist us “foreigners”, IMHO the fact we had gubbed one of their favourites 3 year before might have played heavily on that.



    The home support were also quite nasty and I can recall jumping up and down with my mates after big Tam’s goal and feeling a prod on my back, I turned round and it was one of the angry natives with a brolly.



    Now I’m normally a good natured person, even back then in my very early 20s, but this infuriated me, I had lived out here 8 months previously working with Italians so had an idea of the language, va fangool and threatening tae shove the brolly up his culo comes tae mind, at that they all ran away.



    Stuck in the airport all night tae until they eventually shoved punters on planes without showing tickets or passports/visas and on different flights than they came in.



    Suffice tae say they never were given a Big Cup Final for another 31 years, Bari and Rome were preferred to them.



    On the way back down the road we stopped outside Gavinburn SMT Depot, there were workers repairing the roads and having a good laugh at us. St Patrick might have been born there but OK was still a hun hell hole.



    And yet this was not my worst memory of supporting the bhoys, neither was Thistle in 71, Raith in 94 or even Falkirk in 97, no that dubious dishonour goes tae Black Sunday, as far as I was concerned and still am there were no excuses, not even ebts and honest mistakes, too many players seemed burnt out that day.



    Did it stop me supporting the Celtic, heck no, and neither did Artmedia at the start of the next season, as the Bunnet once said “Being a Celtic supporter is not always easy, but it is always worthwhile.”



    After the disappointment of the San Siro we headed off for a North American tour, minus Jinky, Brogie and the Bear who were carrying injuries.



    If the 66 one was the catalyst for the Big Cup and good times ahead this one had disaster written all over it.



    Bluenoses over here still love tae talk of how George Best ran the show in their 2-0 win over us, although it should be noted that manure had already acclimatized themselves tae the time change and had played Bari while we, after a 20 hour journey via Montreal tae TO, had arrived the evening before.



    We had back tae back draws with Bari, the 2nd being abandoned after some rough play by the Italian side which led tae players being ordered off before the ref decided tae take his ball and go home.



    More confusion arose as the smsm had led us tae believe we could only draw with local side Barrie, a city 70 mile north of TO, oh how they laughed.



    By this time Jock was back hame tending tae business which was rumoured tae be transfer requests from the wee mhan and big Tam. Further turmoil continued with Tam and wee ten thirty being sent home for a situation in the Kearney Club, was this season of promise never going tae end.



    As we approached the new season we were a bit tentative, however that soon disappeared when in a friendly at hunden against the high flying Man City who had just won the lavvy cup the MOTM was their goalie Joe Corrigan.



    Then for our opening game of the season, an LC tie at swinecastle we won 2-1, but it was the next game 4 days later that brought a smile to our faces, in the GC Final at hunden a Celtic side minus big Billy, Brogie, Luggy, Jinky, the Buzz Bomb. Harry Harry, Stevie, wee ten thirty and the Bear, in fact pretty much a reserve side beat a full strength hun side except for the goalie who we had tried tae sign 3-1 with the much maligned big Tam grabbing 2 while the mighty Quinn got the other.



    Nothing tae worry about as we matched the 6-in-a-row by “Wullie Maley was his name” as well as adding the SC in a replay against deidco 2-1 with that scoreline flattering them with the wee mhan being absolutely magnificent that sunny May evening.



    So let’s get over this scheidty season, one where IMHO a perfect hun storm occurred.

  6. Markiebhoy



    You can get those 7 thousand million + folk on the Isle of Arran probably.



    Who gains by alarming us about what could happen in the future?



    GREEN is my favourite colour but all these green politicians we have are grey and want to take the spice out of our lives.



    I can identify more with a real indigenous indian who may be facing real ecological problems than problems a schoolkid from Sweden might have



    What is unsustainable is the hoodwinking of an increasingly knowledgeable and capable population by frightening them with doom and gloom It´s almost lutheran/calvinistic, “The End is Nighhhhhhhhhh”

  7. Phil Mac saying the new I have secured up to £20 million in Far East investment.



    We shall see.



    For me, Newco has all the hallmarks of a Ponzi scheme.

  8. GREENPINATA on 6TH MAY 2021 5:06 PM



    For all Rafa’s qualities, he’s a manager with his best days behind him and was claiming £12.5m a year.



    There’s no way a Scottish club will pay anything like that.

  9. ernie lynch on

    RIMTIMTIM on 6TH MAY 2021 6:55 PM








    ‘Who gains by alarming us about what could happen in the future?’






    Our children.

  10. Greenpinata on

    GEEBEE1978 on 6TH MAY 2021 7:06 PM



    You are correct on both counts. Rafa is maybe in the twilight of his managerial career and no Scottish club could pay £12m GBP per year.



    The Rafa reference was only used as an example that the correct renumeration can entice managers to go into unusual territory.



    I think if we get Eddie Howe it will be a tremendous coup. A clean break with new ideas and a new beginning.


    Here’s hoping.



    Cheers and HH.

  11. TIMHORTON, hoopy thanks.



    GLENDALYSTONSILS, indeed, thanks.



    MCPHAIL BHOY, CQN will be 16 years in July, I was only a pup!



    POR CIERTO, I intend to, thanks.



    GLASGOWBHOY, Martin42 gets the relative name in all other circumstances: Dad.



    YOGIHUGHES, many thanks.



    THE STAR ABOVE THE CREST, thank you.



    MARKIEBHOY, you’re very welcome.



    PARKHEADCUMSALFORD, yes it has been. Thank you.



    MAGWAI, thank you!



    LAXALT, let’s hope so, thanks.



    SCULLYBHOY, cheers!



    THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY, you’re very welcome, thanks.



    JAMESGANG, thank you.



    CORNELIUS, you are v welcome. My best wishes to your wife, I hope she is on top form soon.



    CELTIC40ME, thanks.



    GO TELL THE SPARTIM, thank you.



    JHB, many thanks.



    RIMTIMTIM, it sure is and May ’67 especially special.



    CELTIC MAC, I’d take Tony now! Thanks.



    NORRIEM, thanks, Norrie.



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    HOT SMOKED, let’s hope so.



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    STANLEY SCEPTRE, delighted to hear it, thanks.



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  12. Saint Stivs on




    happy birthday and my apoligies for getting others filling up your inbox.



    Next up …………..



    Did Martin go to Lisbon or stay home ?



    My twin brothers were born on the 11th in the back room of a house in the Port, 6 weeks early, 2lbs each saved by the local gp who attended the house.



    I asked my faither how come he never talked about lisbon, i just assumed he was there.



    The bliddy twins, that whit.

  13. I didn’t realise that there was so many Celtic supporters that were so stuck in the past and i’m talking about you RIMTIMTIM,ERNIE LYNCH and MARKIEBHOY you’re either blind to the damage Westminster has done to this country for the last 40 years. Destroying our heavy industry with no plans for mass retraining for the communities left behind in the 1980’s by the Thatcher government, who squandered our oil money in unemployment benefit. We then had a Labour government Whom I supported and canvassed for in the 1990’s. Who then gave us PPI which future generations will still be paying off to the private sector for years to come. They then took us into an illegal war in the Middle East. After that Gordon Brown was complicit in the biggest bank crash since 1929 which led on to Tory austerity for 10 years. Why on earth some people think that Scotland with The most wind and tidal power in Europe, a great food and drinks sector, and is the only country in the UK that exports more than it imports not capable of being Independent just like numerous countries of similar size throughout the world beats me.


    To finish I’ll get back to the football when on earth is this board going to get its act together, appoint a Manager and start getting plans for next season moving.

  14. fairhill bhoy on

    Belated birthday wishes to our host Paul 67.


    Have a great day 🎉🎉🍻🍻🎂

  15. An Tearmann on

    71 days


    things to be getting on with Celtic


    come on its gettin like the old billy connolly




    dae sumfin,dae sumfin.




  16. Phil Mac piece on investment from the far East makes little sense.



    Local chaps keeping the lights on with equity confetti. Loan due to Dave King. Unknown but significant payout to Mike Ashley on the cards. As I recall there are other liabilities.



    But yet a hedge fund manager is putting in 12 or 15 million? On the basis of potential CL money?



    Really the numbers don’t add up. If there is any truth in it them it is more likely another onerous contract than a guy looking to get a return on his significant investment.



    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  17. On the reserves, are we looking to other countries as to how they are developing players?



    No point reinventing wheels.



    Playing the young guys against motivated and older part timers is no bad thing in the short term. Sometimes toughening them up is what is required mist. If the skill is there it will emerge but only if a player has the courage to demonstrate it up against workmanlike and aggressive opponents.

  18. Greenwells Glory on

    Paul 67 (Paulus LXVII), Salve salve; – Many Happy Returns Paul, hope you have a great family day.



    Non ducor duco




  19. AN TEARMANN on 6TH MAY 2021 7:51 PM



    That fella in the background calling her a fascist and a Marxist. Do these people even know what these words mean? :)

  20. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    PAUL67 on 6TH MAY 2021 7:18 PM



    Happy birthday from me and WeeBGFC.



    I don’t know whether to thank you or blame you for the thousands of hours I’ve spent on here since I stumbled on the site during the RTC years.



    Certainly finding CQN has been something that has impacted my life, and many others – even if it is only given some an avenue to have right auld moan :-))



    You changing your moniker to Paul68 now that you are a year aulder? I must say, you’re holding together well for a pensioner :-)






  21. So after 9 League Titles and Quadruples ,Many Celtic Supporters are thinking of not renewing their season tickets shame on the lot of you,When the going gets tough then the cowards give up ,You are not Celtic Supporters ,you only want to be a supporter when we are winning but when we lose you don’t want to know,So don’t come back you won’t be missed.

  22. ernie lynch on

    MMCCARTNEY on 6TH MAY 2021 7:25 PM




    Scotland will be worse off if it leaves the UK and the poorest will suffer the most.



    But you keep indulging in delusional nonsense if it makes you feel good.

  23. Well my vaccine experience was not what I expected. Told to go to a nearby school. Large queues outside as if they weren’t organised appointments at all. Took my Street name, no seat offered and hardly any privacy in that silly wee cubicle! Barely had enough room to pull down my breeks. Anyway had to administer myself despite the place being full of staff. The jab itself was pretty cool- shaped like a wee pencil and wasn’t in a fridge, just a wee box. Instead of a bandage or gauze you’d expect to soak up all the blood (and there was a lot of it) was two totally non-absorbent pieces of coloured paper. For medical staff, they weren’t very friendly and looked at me funny especially when I said i was looking forward to round two. Anyway i think I coped quite well, the people waiting to go next looked horrified right enough, poor souls.




    Ps Hoopy Birthday Paul 67🍀

  24. prestonpans bhoys on




    Take it you were buying your season ticket in 1994 to keep the Kelly’s and White in power😵

  25. squire danaher on

    TIMBHOY2 on 6TH MAY 2021 8:27 PM


    So after 9 League Titles and Quadruples ,Many Celtic Supporters are thinking of not renewing their season tickets shame on the lot of you,When the going gets tough then the cowards give up ,You are not Celtic Supporters ,you only want to be a supporter when we are winning but when we lose you don’t want to know,So don’t come back you won’t be missed.





    You make quite the assumption that non-renewals are wholly attributable to dissatisfaction at the onfield product available to customers.



    Dissatisfaction at the club runs deep in respect of a number of off-field issues.



    Watching Celtic man and Bhoy for 53 seasons and never so disillusioned.

  26. squire danaher on




    Belated happy birthday and thank you for your efforts with this site.