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40 years since an iconic striker youth graduate

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Notwithstanding we had four strikers isolating and that under most circumstances, four strikers would be sufficient, the games against Hibs and Livingston highlighted a long-term problem.  Celtic have been able to produce wingers, defenders and midfielders who have become first choice starters in the first team, but we are unable to produce a striker.

In the last 20 years, Craig Beattie is arguably our most successful striker-graduate from the youth system (gulp), and he moved on having scored 13 goals for the club, the kind of return Leigh Griffiths may have hoped for in a month, a few years back.

Gerry Creaney made his debut 31 years ago and spent a couple of seasons as a regular starter, before eventually playing Premier League football for Manchester City (it was a different world back then, kids), but Gerry was nowhere near a top performer at the club.

It is now over 40 years since the last iconic striker, Charlie Nicholas, came through the youth system to electrify Celtic Park for three seasons.  He returned for a five-year spell later, when he largely stood on the same spot every 90 minutes, before working out some deep therapeutic issues as a media pundit in later years.

40 years and we were unable to produce a striker with the talent of Leigh Griffiths, despite many changes in coaches, systems and first team budgets?  This sounds unlikely.  I suspect the opportunities afforded to the young Leigh at Livingston were denied to hundreds of Celtic youth strikers.

 

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  1. DESSYBHOY- another excellent point, but the Club and the CEO need to point these out ,not a manager who has lost any credibility he once had.The Board has the silence and secrecy of the Masons…….go figure mate

  2. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    HOT SMOKED on 18TH JANUARY 2021 3:38 PM

     

    Are lennie`s words not precisely what many have been asking for from our Club?

     

     

    Should he not be praised for his defiance in the face ot the constant anti-Celtic nonsense we face in Scotland?

     

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    Hot Smoked – with you on that one.

     

     

    I’ve watched only the 40 or so seconds.

     

     

    Based purely on that ….

     

     

    Not only do I not see anything wrong – I think it should be a benchmark for our relationship management with the media, the football authorities and the government.

     

    (Not other clubs except Sevco and Hearts)

     

     

    They are all against us.

     

     

    Have we been abysmal this season?

     

     

    Yes. Completely.

     

     

    Doesn’t change that they are all against us.

     

     

    Are they “in our face” against us?

     

     

    No. Some of them are understated and sleekit.

     

     

    Discrimination whispered in a posh voice is still discrimination.

     

     

    But they are all against us.

     

     

    Good on you Neil. More of the same please (from you and your successor AND the board).

     

     

    Politeness and persuasion don’t work.

     

     

    The discrimination is too embedded.

     

     

    They are all against us.

     

     

    This is NOT an excuse to wallow in paranoia

     

     

    It is an opportunity to aggressively recognise, mitigate, manage, control and publicise a disadvantage that our club has operated under for 100+ years.

     

     

    And we are still here.

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Keep The Faith

  3. I KNOW that the Dubai Trip was stupid but…

     

    I would LOVE Neil Lennon to call out the Scot Gov. especially when Celtic could do no more than punish Bolingoli the way that they did with Nicola sturgeon getting involved etc…and yet soon after NINE Hun players were allowed to play in a game without knowing the Test results…and HER Govt. CONGRATULATED the Huns after Arfields party, and how the Huns had ” Dealt” with ONY Two Offenders at the time….I NEVER heard or read about the Scot Gov investigating ” How MANY” Hun players were actually at that party…surely Arfield was at his OWN Birthday Party ?

     

    I would LOVE Celtic/Neil Lennon to have the NAMES of ALL the Hun staff that were at that Party…real evidence…. and then question the Scot Govs lack of Investigation etc…or did the Scot Gov cover it up ?

     

     

    Its been protrayed in the Media and by the Scot Gov….and ON HERE earlier that it was Beers ALL ROUND by the Poolside in Dubai….Neil Lennon has said Today that, 70/80 % of the Squad are Teatotal…so the ACCUSATION that EVERY Celtic player was consumi9ng alcohol is 100% WRONG !

     

    I believe Neil Lennon on this issue…not the media or Scot Gov.

     

    HH.

  4. glendalystonsils on

    I agree we should be challenging the historic, antagonistic attitudes towards us .

     

     

    It is very important , almost 10% as important as sorting out our football issues .

  5. Bournesouprecipe. Many years ago Arsenal were playing on a Sunday when I was in London. So I went along to see Nicholas play. In fact, he never got a game. To make matters worse I got my pocket pick on the way out and lost my wallet and all its contents. I also had my pals wallet for safety. There we were in London with only a few pounds between us. Fortunately I knew a lad in a bank who gave us a loan of a hundred pound to help us out. So you see I am not always rejoicing when I see wee Charlie spouting nonsense on the TV.

  6. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    On the Huns’ birthday party. Do we have evidence / facts of other attendees, or is it just conjecture?

     

     

    Not that I don’t believe it – I’m just wondering if there is evidence that can be utilised – or is it all “he said” / “she said” sort of stuff?

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  7. Rumor that the club feels they were screwed over by the government regarding Dubai.

     

    A final check regarding suitability to travel to dubai was made by club officials in a meeting with the government on morning of Rangers game and we were told it was OK to go. When Julian’s test came back positive we contacted the government and provided seating plans for plane, bus, eating areas etc. We also provided video footage to confirm all these arrangements were followed. Apparently based on this we expected 3 folk to be required to isolate due to their close contact with julien – mostly.medical staff. However the government.came back to us the following day and said, because it was an overseas trip they were broadening the area to 4m instead of the 2m that applies to all other flights. This meant the entire front section.of the plane had to isolate which was 16 players and staff members who had been sitting on their own in each row on either side of the aisle. Celtic complained that the rules had been changed and that they were being more harshly treated than other organisations but the suggestion came back that the government would just stop the game up here if they pushed it.

  8. If true, why does Lawwell not tell it as it is? A coward with no balls…..or he might be blackballed?

  9. How in the name of god can any Celtic fan stick up for the media . These people hate us with a passion . BBC full of ebt huns ,who hunted a pundit for not following the party line . Nickolas, Walker . Commons , Duffy , proven . the list is endless , and that’s only the tip of the iceberg of former celts . I think it was a bad decision to go we should have played a couple of games in hand , with covid being detected within the camp was nirvana for the rat pack , who were already on cloud nine at there favourites running away with the title , Neil Lennon will have to go , but he shouldnt be the only one ,higher up the tree should get a long overdue clear out as well . But it’s only Neil Lennon who is prepared to stand and face the enemy . Bombs . bullets . Batterings as far as I’m concerned it’s time for him to go . But there will be no venom for him coming from me .

     

    As we know the virus can be caught easy enough here without going abroad , shops , supermarkets . birthday parties . HH

  10. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    !!BADA BING!! on 18TH JANUARY 2021 4:42 PM

     

     

    Club must have solid documentary evidence of the same – yes????

     

     

    Release it….and let them declare the season null and void (and bliddy hurry up about it!!!!)

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  11. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    BGFC – evidence? Fair point.

     

     

    Here is what we do know definitively.

     

     

    Jordan Jones and Gorge Edmondson went out to celebrate Scott Arfield’s birthday.

     

     

    That’s it. Nothing more.

     

     

    Just my opinion – the above is not credible.

     

     

    But it is what has been served up.

     

     

    Other facts not revealed.

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Keep The Faith

  12. !!BADA BING!! on 18TH JANUARY 2021 4:42 PM

     

     

    I assume all corrospondance was in E Mail.

     

    If true, there will be a traceable record.

     

     

    Get the gloves off and so what if stop the game.

     

     

    HH. N&V

  13. Garngad to Croy on

    Bada Bing

     

     

    No wonder Neil Lennon was so angry, rules changed again, much confusion all round. The reality is that Football should not be happening at the height of this Pandemic and we should all be confined to the house eating government supplied rations with fear of torture if we venture out. That is how China dealt with it.

  14. chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=youtu.https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=youtu.behttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=youcvtu.be

  15. Bada

     

    If that is true it needs put out on the Official Club Website, something stunk about who is making Track and Trace decisions within Health Boards, as we saw from the Armstrong case when Tierney was told to isolate didnt and played a game for his club, we had Christie sitting out, just because folk are in a position of responsibility doesnt eliminate bias and predjudice, the FM waving arms about saying she is no fan of football may be so, but Track and Trace is a system open to interpretation and therefore manipulation.

     

    There was no criticism or follow up on Tierney from Holyrood.

  16. BADA BING

     

     

    Yip, polemics, controversy, and conspiraacy, completely dodged in Peter’s cosy wee tete ta tete with Gerry McLaughlin of Celtic TV, no questions asked.

     

     

    Leave the dirty work to Neil Lennon he’s a dead man walking anyway.

  17. So the huns have a party & the host isnt there. Fuckin nonsense. They think we are stupid.

     

     

    Andy Walker is a massive soup taker & will suck up to get any gig. Same as the worm McCann.

     

     

    Feck Sky. It hasnt done the zombies any hassle banning shortbread. Financially or otherwise.

     

     

    & yes, where is our CEO to tell these f**kers to ‘do one’.

     

     

    HH

  18. TBB

     

     

    No, we might well have had a case, but it’s unlikely there would have been an outbreak unless measures were overlooked and social distancing guidelines breached.

     

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    How do you explain what happened at Villa (without government reprimand) when they stayed at home and had a serious outbreak?

     

     

    The following is from the Birmingham Live site:-

     

     

    “Dean Smith credited the work of Aston Villa’s club doctor this week for helping keep him, his players and backroom staff safe during the club’s Covid-19 outbreak.

     

     

    Villa’s first-team bubble had been isolating for a period of 10 days following 14 confirmed cases last week which forced the postponements of fixtures against Tottenham and Everton.

     

     

    Speaking about Villa’s head of sport medicine and science Ricky Shamji, Smith said: “Our doctor Ricky Shamji has been outstanding in all of this. The be-all and end-all is our duty of care to our players, our staff but also the families they go home to as well.”

     

     

    With Smith highlighting the work of his backroom medical staff, here we take a look at the head coach’s support team at Aston Villa – from CEO Christian Purslow to scouts and analysts in charge of recruiting Villa’s next signing.

     

     

    Here’s a short profile surrounding the 23 people behind the scenes at Bodymoor Heath:”

     

     

     

    They go on to list a team including CEO, Spoting Director, coaches and scouts, sports scientists, phsios, Head of Nutrition and a very overweight masseur.

  19. Bada,

     

     

     

    All sounds plausible – I’d have hoped Peter would have confirmed much of that succinctly in that hastily conceived on-air mediocre mea-culpa…but he didn’t.

     

     

    THAT information belongs in our hands……….. and heads.

     

    It wouldn’t have changed my mind on the appropriateness of the trip but it would have softened my harsh view on the Club’s actions a wee bit.

     

     

    IMO, Neil should always just stick to bland team updates and stuff like that……….

     

     

    He tends to get drawn into conflabs with hacks that given his experiences in Scotland and the motivations of our hacks, they are best avoided…….. Peter could have taken on scoddish hypocrisy in a million other areas and didn’t. What would have had more credibility when we were in the ascendant – now doesn’t have the impact it might have.

     

     

    HH

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    BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 18TH JANUARY 2021 4:46 PM

     

    BGFC – evidence? Fair point.

     

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    Cheers Pal – I think we need to really pin people to the wall about a few things but – like Res 12 and so many other things – even with evidence, we seem all too happy to bend over and take it right up the hin’-end.

     

     

    IF the above (about Dubai) is true, and IF NL is aware of the facts – then that means PL is too – and has saw fit to say fek-all about it. IF all of that is true – then even more disgraceful sending NL into a gunfight with nothing but blanks to fire back.

     

     

    As GREENPINATA says – if they have emails, lets get them out and shame them.

     

     

    PL has had much more damning evidence, and about much worse things, and done nothing with it other than bury it – so don’t hold your breath.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  21. Maybe Lennons saying what Lawwell really wanted to say, but couldnt, in his interview.Theyre a tag team.

     

    Andy Walker is an arrogant wee shite.His commentating grinds my gears aswell

  22. glendalystonsils on

    ADI_DASSLER NOT FOR 2ND BEST on 18TH JANUARY 2021 4:54 PM

     

     

    He’s a glove puppet normally found on Peter’s right hand .

  23. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    PAUL THE SPARK on 18TH JANUARY 2021 4:51 PM

     

    I imagine Arfield would have been at his own birthday party

     

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    I agree 100% – but who has the photos – nothing on social media would beggar belief? We need a journalist in the ‘media’ team who is used to this murky world.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  24. Well said Neil Frances Lennon.

     

     

    A 20 man conga after Scotland qualify and not a word from rancid MSM or the usual suspects, that’ll put a few of the low life’s back in their place just like Martin O’Neil did a few weeks ago.

  25. The Battered Bunnet on

    SFTB – I’m not familiar with the circs, but suggest “unless measures were overlooked and social distancing guidelines breached” might have something to do with it.

  26. garygillespieshamstring on

    Hot smoked : Thanks

     

     

    Re Harry Brady He said that Celtic had contacted the Scottish government either before the hun game or on the day of travel and were given the all clear to go. Once they were away, the Scottish government changed their position.

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