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93 days of this left, the farming of Patrick Roberts

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May is not out, the manager is not formally in place yet, but there’s an early bit of transfer rumblings underway as Celtic begin the process of building a squad for an attack on The Nine.

In response to speculation linking Celtic to one of his players, Motherwell chief exec, Alan Burrows, wrote on Twitter, “figures in papers are often educated stabs and not a true reflection on either what one/any club might be prepared to pay or the other might be prepared to accept.”

In short, any inquiry from Celtic for David Turnbull is at an early stage and conversations will not be around the figures reported.

We have 93 days like this until the transfer window closes….

Like you, I enjoyed watching Patrick Roberts.  He is a gifted player and good professional.  His could have been a permanent signing for Celtic but Pep Guardiola had other ideas.  Now he has signed a new contract, keeping him at at Manchester City for another three years, a club he will almost certainly never play competitively for, while simultaneously agreeing to a one year loan at newly promoted Norwich.

It is hard to escape agricultural metaphors when watching what the tier one clubs in England do with young talent.  They are a crop to hoard and sell, not to consume.  City paid Fulham £12m for Patrick four years ago.  His new contract will be worth several millions per year, and when his value is right, they will sell him.  This is a business model, independent of first team considerations.

A season in the English Premier League could be enough to raise a fee in excess of £20m, but there is a risk going to Norwich.  Patrick’s talents are most valuable unlocking packed defences.  Players of craft are less valued the further down the league you go, where robustness and counter-attacking football has become mandatory.

He would contribute his share in that Manchester City squad, or at Celtic, but his bit-part season at relegated Girona is a portent of what could lie ahead for him in Norwich.  At least he’ll be able to catch the tunes on North Norfolk Digital.

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  1. Fool Time Whistle on

    Billy Bhoy

     

     

    Thanks for this info.

     

     

    Now his reply makes so much more sense.

     

     

    HH

  2. I noticed one of the slimy journos asking Peter Lawwell if he had thought about appointing someone “fresh” instead of Lenny!

     

     

    Why are we so scared of these people? Would he have dared to ask that question in Govan?

  3. Melbourne Mick on

    FOOLTIMEWHISTLE/CHAIRBHOY

     

     

    As usual, great posts from you ghuys, just watched that media thingy

     

    there and all i gleaned from it was that poster behind Lenny and big

     

    Pete.

     

    TRINITY TREBLE

     

    I just luv that.

     

    Need to go and get the t shirt, PADDYMACOZ are you lurkin? what about

     

    our new CSC top with TRINITY TREBLE on it?

     

    Surefire seller.

     

    H.H Mick

  4. Fool Time Whistle on

    If the Herald piece is accurate then I am much happier about the club’s response(s).

     

     

    I still maintain that the club itself was also victimized by these criminals, men who exploited their sometimes tenuous connections with Celtic in order to carry out their crimes.

     

     

    HH

  5. WeefratheTim on

    Good morning all.

     

     

    So pleased to have made our swindon csc journey a bit more pleasant on his coach journey home. We had a brilliant conversation while he was travelling on the M6. I know the journey can be tedious, but, by the time we finally lost the contact, moby masts issues, we had sorted out every issue regarding World Tjteats.

  6. Melbourne Mick on

    Before i go and look for hurtin huns do you think i should just

     

    get a magic marker and write on a white t shirt.

     

     

    TRINITY TREBLE

     

     

    Answers on a postcard to a Celtic family member 8-)))))))))

     

    H.H Mick

  7. Melbourne Mick on

    WEEFRATHETIM

     

     

    Thought i was on my own there, strange talking to tims all over the world

     

    at this time.

     

    Hope you are good.

     

    Wish the Swindon laddie would come back on here.

     

    By the way ,watch out for those Tjteats , there a menace to society lol.

     

    H.H Mick

  8. FOOL TIME WHISTLE @ 12:40 AM,

     

     

    Well, that could well be the case.

     

     

    However, Celtic have through the professionalism, endeavours and dedication of many athletes, coaches and staff, since the last time Lenny was last Manager become amongst the top thirty most valuable Clubs in Europe.

     

     

    How many of the Clubs above us need their Manager to convince the support of that? He should in no way shape or form have to be on the defensive on his new appointment.

     

     

    It was obviously a stage managed event… We need a positive attitude, a detailed plan, a thunder returns approach.

     

     

    Why does Lenny have to reproach himself about anything, unless in the eyes of the Board there are questions.

     

     

    If you think about it all big feeds into was what happened at Hibs? Does he have to give Leeanne Dempster mea culpa… that was months before he rejoined us… has he grown up and got more wise in few months?

     

     

    No, Lenny is Lenny is Lenny…

     

     

    As Bigbhoy said, that was regarding the Celtic Boys abuse Scandal.

     

     

    Another area where our executive have totally failed to lead or Manage. If we are hoarding money to deal with a potential liability that we have, the PLC need to stop the secret squirrel nonsense and start dealing with issues.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  9. WeefratheTim on

    Mick

     

     

    We are the good ghuys. Lol. Mick is just fine. He must be as I was tied to my phone for over an hour today. Lol. Seriously, we appear to be building for the future. A source told me today,,,,…according to a non executive director, we have already signed 7 players. Not holding my fkn breath on that one. Lol. How are they wonderful animals of yours doing? Have been off for yonks, lost contact. HH

  10. Melbourne Mick on

    WEEFRA

     

     

    Got the same info as you, and from a very reliable source, big investment

     

    in playing staff and stadium reconstruction.

     

    Is it pie in the sky?

     

    Wait and see.

     

    What animals are you talking about? is it the heeby jeeby wans a see in my

     

    drunken nightmares lol.

     

    H.H Mick

  11. GUYFAWKESAFOREVERHERO on 31ST MAY 2019 11:16 AM

     

     

    MadMitch on 31st May 2019 9:08AM

     

     

    Each to their own, I don’t think the trend of increasing cash balances in Celtic’s reported numbers is a growing issue.

     

     

    I see it as a consequence of the Co-operative Bank heading for the hills as far as providing support to a football club. Their £30m mountain of cash has been removed from our gift during the past four or five years and to counterbalance the negative effect of such to the AIM, we’ve replaced the bank’s promised support with our own reserves. All that’s left with the Co-op is a £2m credit card facility and the £6m loan being paid back. Looks like £1m per year now, first instalment included in this season’s interims.

     

     

    Hh

  12. The Champions League (LMFAO) Final will hopefully be a game worth watching – Klopp will get his team to attack.

     

     

    I hope there are a few goals in the game for both teams.

     

     

    Disgusted by the ticket prices. £5000 was a commonly quoted figure and there is no guarantee its a Genuine ticket for those hoping to buy over there.

     

     

    UEFA and FIFA are despicable Organisations.

     

     

    The Teams competing should be getting much larger allocations – 80% sounds reasonable to me – 20% corporate is more than is deserved.

     

     

    UEFA is so f’n corrupt.

  13. WeefratheTim on

    Mick, sorry was mixing you up with someone else. Interesting you heard the same things. After I have put so much cash in to my beloved Celtic, they batter deliver a Champions League Trophy. Ayr aweright maybe not. HH bro and will talk tommorow in your wvening. ???????????????????????????

  14. WeefratheTim,

     

     

    Timeless.

     

     

    We are creating History.

     

     

    Deeeelighted you will be getting back to Celtic Park mair often. That place is Good for the olde Soul.

  15. GUYFAWKESAFOREVERHERO on 31ST MAY 2019 12:00 PM

     

    The hands can’t hit what the eyes can’t see on 31st May 2019 11:28PM

     

     

    The only conclusion I can draw – the football industry is now toxic to banking institutions.

     

     

    I reckon our oft repeated independent, stand alone policy mantra is multi-layered. Not only aiming a bullet at our noisy neighbours, but also sending a message to the SFA, banks, AIM. Everyone really. We’re doing it our way.

     

     

     

    We churn cash at an amazing rate these days, more than a million per week. I doubt any individual pound hangs around too long in the bank account. I encourage anyone who has ten minutes to read Celtic’s Reports, split it 30 seconds on the p&l, 30 seconds on the balance sheet and the remaining 90% of your tiime on the cash flows.

  16. i’vehadtochangemymind on 31st May 2019 10:52 pm

     

     

    The GB have finally lost it

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3aGlKYlEiY

     

     

     

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………..

     

     

    I think we are over playing this most emotional of songs these days.

     

     

    Save it for the Biggest of games please CFC.

  17. Good morning CQN from a damp underfoot but sunny Garngad

     

     

    POG- on reading back, I see congrats are in order for your bhoy, it’s amazing how the kids make us proud, no matter if they are doctors, lawyers, joiners or manual workers as long as they are decent human beings.??

     

     

    Does anyone know when transfer window opens???

     

     

    D. :)

  18. If anyone’s interested in something to watch, a new series of bad blood on Netflix

     

     

    About Canadian mobsters, good viewing.

     

     

    I also just started watching the Blacklist and it seems quite good.

     

     

    Might squeeze in last weeks cup final again before CL final tonight???

     

     

    D. :)

  19. Pete said:

     

     

    ” I think we are over playing this most emotional of songs (YNWA) these days.

     

    Save it for the Biggest of games please CFC.”

     

     

    I quite agree, Petec.

     

    Golf beckons.

     

    Cheerio for now.

     

     

    JJ

  20. Looking forward to tonight’s game, 2 teams that if I had to watch English football it would be these two.

     

     

    Quite attacking good footballing sides, I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

     

     

    Since we did not make the final this year……Who is everyone rooting for??????

     

     

    It would be good if Spurs won it for the first time……

     

    But our ex players with Liverpool…..

     

     

    Mmmmm such as long as it’s a good game

     

     

    D. :)

  21. Couldn’t give a sh@t about tonight’s game ..

     

     

    Champions League my ar@e!!

     

     

    Financially driven farce!

  22. onenightinlisbon on

    With all due respect to those individuals who suffered horrendous abuse at the hands of the abusers does it not make you wonder about the timing of the front page headlines about Celtic just after the the great success of our club or am I just being cynical?

  23. prestonpans bhoys on

    Did anyone notice this Turnbull guy when Motherwell played against us. Unless he was the eejit who scored the goal from a free ball then I certainly didn’t.

  24. Celtic have a way of working that, has for the most part, revolved around signing younger players and selling them on for for profit the best part of 10 years. Even rodgers was pushed down that road. No way the board is gonna change tact for lenny. Celtic have benefited from this way of working with preformance and transfer fees.

     

     

    This season we will likely see ntcham, sinclair and/or rogic etc… sold to pay for new players. We will not have a net spend because that means We have not followed the plan.

     

     

    The result of this plan has seen Celtic on a sound financial footing. We have got to watch some great players in the hoops i.e. victor, vvd etc… We have won more that We have last.

     

     

    Celtic could always do some things better, just like any business and that sound be the goal.

     

     

    More emphasis shound be placed on developing our own players and We should not allow our first team to grow to offer 22 first team players.

     

     

    Celtic should look to progress off the field as much as on the field.

     

     

    HH

  25. Courtesx of Up The hoops TSFM

     

     

    What they all want to get back to.Time eh.

     

     

    MURRAY’S BLUEPRINT – By Ken Gallacher : March 2000

     

     

    Scotsman newspaper

     

    ———————————————————————–

     

     

    Just as promised, Rangers are moving on to another level from the rest of Scottish

     

    football, as chairman David Murray announced a new investment of £53m for the

     

    Ibrox club, with a further massive cash boost soon to follow. The eventual cash

     

    injection could soar as high as £80m as Murray guides the club into what he believes

     

    will be a new, golden era for the Scottish champions. The money involved, the

     

    biggest financial boost for any Scottish football club, will enable them to move into

     

    Europe’s elite over the next few years. Yesterday, however, Murray maintained, as

     

    always, that he will not turn his back on Scottish football to play in any other league,

     

    and that while he remains in charge of the club, he will retain a responsibility to the

     

    domestic game.

     

     

    It is clear from this latest move, however, that the Glasgow giants are setting an

     

    agenda that no other Scottish club can match – and that appears to include their Old

     

    Firm rivals, Celtic, who are trailing by 15 points in the Premier League championship

     

    and are now looking at a financial gap which the Parkhead club might not be able to

     

    bridge. There have been hints around Glasgow that Celtic could be ready to attempt

     

    a share flotation of their own, but it would seem unlikely they would be able to match

     

    the financial clout that Murray has put together. The Ibrox chairman promised his

     

    shareholders good news and a more prudent financial strategy at the last annual

     

    meeting of the club. He has now delivered this by taking on board several very

     

    heavy financial hitters, South African-based David King is worth around £300m –

     

    £20m of which he is investing in the club he followed as a young man in Glasgow.

     

     

    The Ibrox chairman has spent several months and many sleepless nights piecing

     

    together the plans which will eliminate Rangers’ debt, currently sitting at around

     

    £40m, provide finance for the new training centre and the soccer academy which will

     

    be housed there, and still allow cash to invest in new players. He said: “I want to

     

    make it clear from the outset that while our small shareholders, our supporters who

     

    have an interest in the club, will have the opportunity to invest again if they want,

     

    there is no pressure on them to do so.The bulk of the rights issue is being taken up

     

    by myself and David King and some other smaller investors, including Alastair

     

    Johnston, who is a long-time Rangers supporter. We also have Trevor Hemmings

     

    coming in as an investor and Tom Hunter will join us some time in the future.

     

    Essentially, the investment we require is in place and we also have a major media

     

    deal in the pipeline which is very exciting and will bring in further serious investment

     

    to the club. I told you earlier this week that I had run the club up to now on a

     

    high-risk strategy which has involved carrying large debt.”

     

     

    “These days are over. The whole method of running the club is going to change,

     

    because we are in a situation right now where we do not need to take the risks we

     

    have had to take in the past. We don’t have to spend the same money on players,

     

    for example, as we have had to do over the past two years when we were

     

    restructuring the team after the arrival of Dick Advocaat. At the moment, we have

     

    two new players set for next season, Allan Johnston and Fernando Ricksen and Dick

     

    is looking for another quality striker. He is working hard on that right now. Dick and

     

    myself know what we are aiming for. We want to be in the Champions League every

     

    season. This is what we want for the club and this is what we have been working

     

    towards. However, we shall not be going on any wild spending sprees in the transfer

     

    market. We have a player or two to add to the squad – a top-class international front

     

    player, as I said, but we don’t need to buy Numan, van Bronckhorst, Mols, Reyna, or

     

    McCann – because we have these lads in place already.”

     

     

    “Believe me when I tell you that we are going for it this time – we want to be

     

    successful in Europe, and the money we are raising now will take us there.”

     

     

    “This is the last part of the jigsaw for me, but we shall always be a part of Scottish

     

    football and we will take our domestic responsibilities seriously. We respect the other

     

    teams in the Premier League and we know this news will make them try even harder

     

    against us. But, so be it. Barcelona don’t win every week. Bayern Munich don’t win

     

    every week. Manchester United don’t win every week. Yet, our supporters expect us

     

    to do so and we shall always try to do that. What we do know is that to be in the

     

    Champions League, we have to win the Scottish title, and that is our aim every

     

    season. We shall always be here with our roots.” However, the mega-deals Murray

     

    has been working on are sure to carry Rangers out of the reach of their rivals here

     

    at home and unless Celtic can somehow find the means to strengthen their own

     

    financial standing even the age-old rivalry between the Glasgow giants will be

     

    threatened as the Ibrox men grow ever stronger.

  26. Gordon64 on 1st June 2019 12:45 am

     

     

     

    ‘https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17677483.celtic-fc-to-break-silence-over-historic-sex-abuse-allegations/ Tell the truth and shame the devil’

     

     

     

    ****

     

     

    It would be good to think that this is Celtic proactively taking the initiative on the issue with the genuine intention of trying to reach some sort of resolution with all the victims.

     

     

     

     

    The concern though is that Celtic are simply being reactive and defensive in response to threatened legal claims.

  27. I heard the ole flutes and drums in EK earlier but managed to avoid seeing them. Grrrrrrrrrr

  28. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Reading back, the levels of conjecture re the job offer to Lennie last Saturday are truly astounding.

     

     

    To put this to bed once and for all, this is what REALLY happened.

     

     

    Desmond wanted Moyes.

     

     

    Lawwell wanted Lennon.

     

     

    Bankier had no preference.

     

     

    The three agreed to decide and announce on Monday, 27 May (the proposed timing worth remembering).

     

     

    On cup final day, 60 minutes gone, 1-0 Hearts, Desmond turned to Lawwell and simply said “See?” pointing to the Hampden pitch.

     

     

    25 minutes later, Lawwell turned to Desmond and said “Told you!”. Desmond was NOT happy with his CEO.

     

     

    Full time, the three men retreated to a private room.

     

     

    An argument ensued.

     

     

    UNBELIEVABLY, Bankier suggested settling the manager decision with a COIN TOSS.

     

     

    He pulled out a coin, Desmond called heads and Bankier flipped, the coin falling tantalisingly to the floor.

     

     

    Lawwell and Desmond simultaneously bent down quickly, banged heads and were both knocked out.

     

     

    (They would later claim, independently, they just wanted to see the outcome of the executive decision first. The grubby truth is both men wanted to get their hands on some more money).

     

     

    Bankier panicked. He picked up a jug of water to throw over Desmond and Lawwell in order to revive them.

     

     

    Just in the nick of time, he remembered he was a Tory who wouldn’t lift a finger to help another human being unless there was something in it for him.

     

     

    Having composed himself, Bankier did a quick Cost Benefit Analysis, a Risk Reward Review (both in his head), and then sat down to wait for his colleagues to come round.

     

     

    Desmond and Lawwell awoke at the same time.

     

     

    Lawwell was dazed.

     

     

    Desmond had a terrible ringing in his ears.

     

     

    He murmured “Oh, I hate noise”.

     

     

    Bankier misheard and thought he had said “Moyes”.

     

     

    So he pushed a dazed Lawwell out of the room to find the nearest microphone …..

     

     

    … and the rest is history.

     

     

    Just to conclude

     

     

    I can assure everyone my sources on this one are as accurate as they’ve ever been.

     

     

    There is a 3 – 98 % chance of rain today.

     

     

    My exclusive has a 2 – 99% chance of being completely accurate.

     

     

    Hail hail

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