It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge Aberdeen fans’ banner on Saturday in response to their chairman, Stewart Milne’s suggestion that fans are damaging our game with talking about the consequences of clubs being found to be cheating.
I know some people learned the lessons of 2012 but others appear to have acquired amnesia. Back in 2012 only one SPL club was of the view that Rangers should not be allowed to phoenix and gain entry to top flight football. After a considerable campaign by fans, all others, apart from Rangers themselves, and Kilmarnock, decided it would be better if existing rules were allowed to stand on the matter.
Milne was off his head making his comments. The only way to possibly pull a stroke like this would be to keep quiet about it, even then I doubt it would be achievable. Making his feelings known was only going to engage Aberdeen supporters, who will have the ultimate view on what the club do.
The issue remains in the long grass until the Supreme Court have concluded their business, but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone, the matter will not be looked at again, if other clubs are on-board, it will be examined appropriately. It is for fans of Aberdeen, United, Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell and make their feelings known.
The Herald’s piece this morning on Newco being “handed a place in the Premiership next summer as a result of some hastily-arranged league reconstruction” was remarkable. It was absurd but also worthy of respect. “NOBODY at Rangers (sic.)” wants this, but as other clubs need for Newco’s promotion is so great, apparently this is not really implausible.
Promote them, not because they are in need, because other clubs need them.
The starting position on league reconstruction is notable. For years only Celtic and Rangers blocked the SPL from being expanded. The majority of top flight clubs live in fear of (and experienced) relegation. They want a less competitive middle to the league. When the SPFL was formed a temporary moratorium of league reconstruction was agreed. This moratorium is due to expire shortly, a window for change is about to open up.
Tracking underneath all of these debates are the financial fundamentals. Newco is not financially viable. They are not viable in the Championship and although Premiership football would give them a few millions more, it would not change the fundamentals.
The circa £17m it takes to run a club at Ibrox before you employ football staff leaves little money for football given their anticipated top-flight income. It would take years and many tens of millions of dead investment to change this, as well as Mike Ashley raising the white flag.
These facts have not been grasped yet as the consequences of the hoped for investment of tens of millions not appearing are not being considered. Dave King might invest £30m-£50m, so with a fair wind everything might be OK. On the other hand, I think even £50m is tight, and I don’t see anything like that money heading to Ibrox.
The consequences of what happened in 2012, even on these pages, have yet to be realised. The old business model is finished, it’s not coming back.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed to the Foundation Christmas Appeal bucket collection on Saturday. You see people at their very best on these occasions. If you want to know how your money will be spent have a read here.
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What happened to the Dr John Reid Dossier that he was going to blow away the huns with ?
Who was taken in by this boardroom, smoke n mirrors nonsense ?
KEVJ
I’m beginning to think he took it with him. Or left it in the biscuit tin.
So, the buns went under the radar for 4 years to swerve having to pay ‘any’ of the £140 million that they stole ?
Aye….who’s the mugs ?
KEVJ
They died,mate. What they have come back as is a pale imitation,rubbish players,hamstrung by debt and internal feuding.
On top of that,their stadium is falling apart and no-one is sure who it belongs to.
Aye,they have body-swerved the debt,and I would have had them pay more dearly for all their sins,but they have paid a price,and are still paying it.
Speaking of Newco,Sainsbury’s opens in a few minutes-and I’ve got a turkey to buy.
Catch y’all later.
KEVJ
In case I don’t get a chance later in the week,have a grand Christmas,you and everyone who matters to you.
HH
Good morning friends from a very wet, extremely windy and far from festive looking East KIlbride.
Ciftci the next Mark McGhee …under Mark McGhee?
Too far?
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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Hail Hail fella, hope yer well.
Aye,…..it pains me to say this but….Reid was only one…off a Celtic – hierarchy – executive – operative – conveyer-belt of, deceitful chancers who have the easiest job in world football….taking money from, trusting-innocent-well-meaning Celtic supporters.
Is there a bigger crime than that ?
Deceiving – cheating – ripping-off….Celtic supporters ?
There are times when I think that, these folk just appear into the Celtic world and fill their pockets….where did they come from ?….Did the bad fire reject them ?
Know what’s wrong with the Celtic hierarchy ?
They’re terrified that, Celtic supporters might just achieve an exit out of Scottish football and, know what the best bit is ?….Celtic supporters could achieve this exit and….the hierarchy wouldn’t be needed anymore.
Fast- forward….SB-renewal time…..Celtic supporters, sit on the SB-money…refusing to invest it into the club whilst, the present hierarchy are in control….remember, SB-renewal time will fall, just as the cheating huns are about to return into the same league as Celtic, probably on the back of the ‘failed’ res:12 movement….with the board telling us that they did all they could….too late….etc….for Auldheid etc…I hope res:12 will bear fruit but, I’ve said before….the only way that justice will be done is if….Celtic fans with-hold SB-money….announce at a ‘national’ media conference that, Celtic supporters feel that, the kowtowing Celtic hierarchy will have to be removed and replaced by, Jeanette Findlay and her ilk as, the hierarchy can no longer be trusted given their acceptance of all the Rangers chicanery which was, has, will be handled with a sooty and sweep approach which represents and speaks for….no….Celtic or, any other clubs supporters.
“The game, the game is over, the rebels have gone.”
Aye….wee McCann made sure of that.
Fans have to control the club…..if they don’t…..then, they’ll be paying to be dirtied by all the devils in hell.
Hopefully a switch will be flicked before it gets that far.
HH
Bobby
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Where is the certificate….authenticating…the death of Rangers ?
Even Celtic’s media outlets refer to them as – Rangers.
It could be argued that, Rangers have been denied the opperchancity for, 4 years to get their hands on the CL-money-pot….coz of Craig Whyte ?
In the same period….Celtic FC have managed to ‘blow’ 3 CL-money-pots and, because Celtic PLC is rudderless….nobody has been sacked for this mis-management which has cost the club / company….£60 million ?
Bobby….Rangers will ‘never’ be killed off…know why ?….Coz, Celtic PLC is operated like a fools-paradise.
The hedonistic hierarchy at Celtic Park are only interested in the supporters of the club when it comes time to take money from them….the hierarchy will do hee-haw for the fans….they’ll even charge the supporters the full whack for the privilege of watching a product on the pitch and, in the dug out which depreciates as the years go by…..
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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All the best to yer guid self and all who are close to you.
And thanks.
Hail Hail – Jingle All The Way
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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Bobby, all the best to yer guid self(Legend) and to all who are close to you.
Hail Hail – Jingle All The Way.
BMCUWP,
Aye a did see a couple of people ask questions but for the most part it was the ostriches wetting their knickers.
Being treated like he was a regular poster was what caught the eye.
I would be able to post properly, under Big McGhee :)
…..laters….
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA on 22ND DECEMBER 2015 7:14 AM
Ciftci the next Mark McGhee …under Mark McGhee?
Too far?
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Bang on the money mate….post of the day :)
Hail Hail
Right, ah know yeez are awe waiting for the eejit tae get oan the bus…..
….well, that’s me away noo but…know what ?….Ah’ll no be sitting at the back :)
Hail Hail – bye………
Auldheid. Ok I never saw your response. I gave up my season book this year disgusted at the cheating and inaction for the Celtic board.
But it’s not just the cheating for me now. It’s the disgusting way in which Celtic treat it’s supporters as well. Constant needless downsizing, Moneyball (funny how Paul has stopped crowing about that particular flight of fancy) but more than that the collusion with police scotland (illegally) and the constant attacks on supporters for whatever misdemeanour (and occasionally doing so without any evidence of wrongdoing) whilst singularly failing to protect the support or even stick up for us when faced with Scotlands institutionally racist media.
So Celtic are afraid of that media are they? And we are told are afraid of the social unrest? Well Celtic fans have faced that for as long as I remember but never have Celtic abandoned us more than now. I’m sorry but what makes the board so precious and the support so disposable.
Celtics disgusting treatment of the support is mystifying. Perhaps though, as we see on these pages, dehumanising the Celtic support allows the board to justify its collusion in corruption and will cow the support when we finally get the revelation that Celtic will allow the cheating to pass and to continue.
Or perhaps that Celtic just see money in racism and are perfectly happy for the supporters to continue to be victims.
Scotland is an institutionally racist country. As I have repeatedly shown the evidence for that is everywhere and keeps reappearing. That’s why it is institutionally racist (a self reinforcing cycle). This ranger debacle is casting more light on this subject than ever before. The racism is laid bear.
The motivations for the actions and inactions are there to be exposed and challenged.
But Celtic are ducking it. It’s a once in a lifetime. No actually a one in 200 year opportunity for change. Sure it takes courage. But when you are paid upwards of 800k a year you are supposed to have the courage to act when a game changing situation emerges.
Celtic have singularly failed to do so. Worse in fact they are colluding with it.
This is the end of Celtic as we know it. Sure we will limp on but tens of thousands will never go back and those that do will know they are living a lie.
Pauls increasingly hollow claims of the most ethical club I. The world will leave an increasingly bad taste in the mouth. Celtic will diminish. Meanwhile the Huns will be helped to prosper and all will be well for racist Scotland.
Pl, DD and the others have betrayed us and betrayed our forefathers. Our chairman has told us that we are criminally racist for criticising them. But he is strangely silent on the real racism.
The board are inept, corrupt, leaderless, arrogant, complacent and they are now failing off the park as well as on it.
This regime will not go and they cannot afford (for their own credibility) to replace Ronny (who is simply a victim in all of this). Relations between the board and the support are at a disasterous level but their arrogance and the need to hide their corruption means they will not act to med it.
I was ther on Saturday as Celtic paraded Santa at half time. I could sense the disgust from the crowd. Gimmicks don’t help when the house is burning down.
And we can get guys to come on here and tell us how well Celtic are run. What despite all the evidence to the contrary?
Wake up everyone. Our club is about to die.
If Griff is still injured this weekend, I think we should go with Ian Bankier up front.
Whether he’d be any good or not is beside the point. At least we’d know what he was there for.
Morning all.
Pitch black, wet and very windy down here.
I imagine that reflects the mood on here, although I haven’t read back.
I heard an interesting discussion on Radio Scotland with an American journalist about FIFA and corruption. The man said he found it interesting that it was the USA and not the likes of Scotland which had made the investigation. I wonder if he was making oblique reference to our own corruption, seeing as the SFA has been infested by the likes of Dallas, Ogilvie and even Gordon Smith. Am I not right in thinking that these 3 have all been publicly tarnished yet seem to be able perfectly acceptable to the SMSM for regular quotes and articles about all things football?
NegAnon2 on 22nd December 2015 7:50 am
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Hail Hail fella.
I don’t know how many bulls-eyes you can hit with one dart but…
…that was just, Wow! Wow! Wow!
Next summer’s SB-renewal day will ‘have’ to be the day that all Celtic supporters…are on the same page….not to seek, out of disgusting in-action…so far….justice, against the evil that Scottish football supporters have had to endure throughout the ‘entire’ David Murray era…but, as you say…Celtic are going to die…they’re in free fall just now…the huns back next season will…I think…trim Celtic’s attendances to 10,000 or worse. Celtic supporters have been duped by a charade about the hund dying for 4 years now…some where sooked-in and, their gluttony over ice cream and jelly…amounted to no more than the supporters taking their eyes woefully off the ball as….the huns slithered their way back in through div 3.
In a nutshell…..
Sack The Board – restructure the club.
Cojones have to be present at all levels of the club.
Boardroom – Dressing room – Football pitch
Celtic supporters generate 33% of the financial tunover in Scottish Football.
Now, just think of the clout that that gives the supporters….if they would wake the fluk up and realize it !!!!
The most powerful force in Scottish football are an, organized, everybody on the same page….collection of, rebellious Celtic supporters who ‘WON’T’ kowtow to a hun-establishment.
The Force is in your hands, Celtic supporters….just reach out and grab it….please!
Neganon2, all the best to yer guid self and all who are close to you at Christmas.
Hail Hail – Jingle All The Way.
…have to leave now,…laters….
NegAnon2
Do you everything is truly lost. If there was a way to change the club would you be on board with that?
I think regardless of whether the board actually show some backbone or not on the cheating, the club needs to change. I don’t have any solutions right now but I am researching a couple of ideas (which are probably pipe dreams to be fair). But if the club could be changed, would you be on board the process?
It’s been a good week for the doomsday I’ll tell you mob. Second domestic defeat of the season and the sky is falling in. Enjoy it while you can negatronics, wallow in yer misery because Glasgow is Green and White and Celtic will resume normal service against the jam tarts. Hail hail.
Neganon2@7.50 am
Well said, I agree with every word.
HH
Goooooood Morning CQN
I like the new buzz word – Rudderless,
That’s Doc and Kev J used it in past 12 hrs
Very accurate may I add :-)
Hail Hail and aff back ooot
The Battered Bunnet
A couple of days ago Auldheid mentioned a post of yours that set out Dermot Desmond’s MO at Celtic. I believe he may have been talking about this one: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/vulnerable-underbelly-of-fenerbahce/comment-page-1/#comment-2689271
If so, I think you are on the money. The reason I am interested is that I am wanting to open up discussion about post-DD Celtic. If Celtic prove to not be up for the fight to clean up Scottish football, do you reckon your timeline of another 10 years waiting for EPL could be shortened via fan action? (i.e. could we have a post-DD Celtic sooner?)
Another point [to all], Auldheid and others were talking about reports that DD was raging when he found out about the extent of old co cheating. Was he raging because TBB was right and that his EPL dream had been torpedoed by the the reputational damage of the cheating? (just conjecture, I have no information on the workings of DD).
NEGANON
Strong stuff,mate. Can’t agree with it entirely,but the gist of it is along my line of thinking too.
As I said on Sunday afternoon,we are in serious danger of following the huns into oblivion,but through our own actions-or inactions.
I think the club is at a crossroads. It seems to be blindfolded with no idea which way to turn.
Davidopolous yes of corse I would. It’s boardroom change we need. It would be relatively easy to unify and energise the support and thereafter galvanise the entire club.
But that takes vision and courage. Both of which I see little of.
There is still a chance to turn this around but we can be seen by Paul’s increasingly bizarre articles, the board are not for changing and instead want to blame everyone else (particularly the Celtic support). Paul and Auldheid are now practicing some pretty difficult mental gymnastics while also hoping we forget all that has gone before.
They are very close to the board.l at least one of them is doing the boards bidding.
But I hope the intelligence and nature of the Celtic support will out and we will not buy the guff. But it’s difficult to walk away from something you love.
NEGANON
Nae offence,mate. But be careful wi what you post. That was a fairly serious allegation to make given its speculative nature.
NegAnon2
Thanks for responding. What if it wasn’t just boardroom change? What about structural change? I know that would be much more difficult than the relatively easy methods of energising support, but I think it something worth thinking about.
Had a look at CQN this morning. No change so had a look at the BBC website. This is how Richard Wilson finished his assessment of Ronny Deila:
” Deila is not a lost cause but the board will continue to assess his work because he has not yet been wholly persuasive.”
Sad that an oft times maligned BBC journalist is much fairer than many on CQN.
If those who promote either side of the argument in a narrow, one-sided fashion,continue to do so, then CQN will gradually lose its raison d`etre ie To offset the bias of the MSSM.
Cheerio for now,
JJ
Jungle Jim Hot Smoked
For the record JJ, I love Ronny Deila and believe he will get it right…
:)
Bobby I think it’s true though.
Davidopoulus the problem now is one of trust.mindont think I can ever trust this particular board again.
NEGANON2 on 22ND DECEMBER 2015 8:37 AM
But it’s difficult to walk away from something you love.
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Just afore I go…
That comment above is exactly the card played by the Celtic board to, trump the supporters…year after year.
They play with the fans emotions, that’s for sure.
So, back in the day….1994….Brian Dempsey, Celt’s For Change and….yeah, the Celtic ‘clique’ in the media….the ones who weren’t on their prayer-mats, round Murray’s table….the hurting-Tims from the SMSM….
Gerry McNee
Hugh Keevins
Paul Cooney
Davie Provan
…yeah, we had..
Celts For Change
Brian Dempsey
Celtic-media-clique
…all continually banging the drum that, Celtic were ready to fall over the cliff…if…the board was not sacked.
The above mentioned groups….won the hearts and, minds of the Celtic support to the extent that, Gerry McNee said – “If, Celtic had as many golden nuggets on the pitch and, in their board room as they have amongst their supporters, then they would be an unstoppable force in football.”
Now, just think about that….an, unstoppable force in football.
A, Celtic Football Club where, Directors, managers, players, supporters were all on the same page.
McNee was the only SMSM person to hold / offer that opinion…the rest, probably secretly feared it and, they probably still do ?
The thing is…..who’ll win the hearts and minds of the Celtic supporters of today ?…Before it’s too late ?
If anybody answers ah’ll get back to you, tonight or the morra.
Celtic supporters – You’ll Never Walk Alone.
….Off oot…..
NegAnon2 on 22nd December 2015 7:50 am
That’s the umpteenth time you’ve claimed the club are colluding illegally with the police. What’s your evidence? Do you have any that shows that the club didn’t receive the appropriate documentation from the police that compels them to release supporter data if an individual is suspected of being involved in a criminal act, or a future one (and it doesn’t need to be football related any crime will do).
FAC have lawyers on board. Why haven’t they taken the club to court on this? I imagine it would go along way to stopping fans getting criminalised and yet they seem not to have tackled it. Do you not find that strange? Breaching the DPA is hugely serious and if some of these boys’ have had their lives ruined by it, they’d at least get a decent wedge in compensation.
I’d genuinely like to get to the bottom of this. There may be a FOI request possibility on the number of requests the police have made to Celtic to release data but I doubt you could get much more than numbers out of them, which would be a bit meaningless. Unless it was dramatically higher or lower than we think it is.
Neganon2 ……… are you trying to tell us YOU have “vision and courage” …….. your posts are consistent in one aspect only…..hate-filled …….
Kev j I know that’s what the board rely on. It was ever thus. However havin personally experienced the pain of doing so I can only sympathise with other supporters.
67 heaven. I don’t believe my posts are hate filled at all but I am not dancing around the issues.
Weeminger. Celtic denied then admitted giving season ticket details to the,police. I am pretty surety at was in contravention of the dp act. However even I wouldn’t want to take legal action against Celtic.
Diarrhoea would be a thing of the past under Big Mark McGhee
The sequel to Stephen Hawking’s book, debunking everything he said, will be written by Mark McGhee
Star Wars would become watchable under Mark McGhee
Lord of the Rings would look like Social Realism under Mark McGhee.
Katie Hopkins and Donald Trump would make sense under Mark McGhee.
And it would not be work time already if we had Mark McGhee
Neganon @7.50
I don’t agree with your every word though I agree with far more of them than you’d perhaps expect of me.
But I do think you have the ‘perfect prism’ for analysing our present situation within that post.
I think DD loves golf. I think he loves investing to make money. I think he likes Celtic. No more. No less.
I think PL views CFC principally through a business lens though I’ll accept the word of those on hear who vouch for him as a supporter of the club. But that business lens is prime. Perhaps as it should be given his role as CEO and the hubristic example from across the city.
You see Celtic as so much more than that. So many of us do……
HH jamesgang
Jobo
The only good thing about the weather is you!
HH jamesgang