It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge Aberdeen fans’ banner on Saturday in response to their chairman, Stewart Milne’s suggestion that fans are damaging our game with talking about the consequences of clubs being found to be cheating.
I know some people learned the lessons of 2012 but others appear to have acquired amnesia. Back in 2012 only one SPL club was of the view that Rangers should not be allowed to phoenix and gain entry to top flight football. After a considerable campaign by fans, all others, apart from Rangers themselves, and Kilmarnock, decided it would be better if existing rules were allowed to stand on the matter.
Milne was off his head making his comments. The only way to possibly pull a stroke like this would be to keep quiet about it, even then I doubt it would be achievable. Making his feelings known was only going to engage Aberdeen supporters, who will have the ultimate view on what the club do.
The issue remains in the long grass until the Supreme Court have concluded their business, but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone, the matter will not be looked at again, if other clubs are on-board, it will be examined appropriately. It is for fans of Aberdeen, United, Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell and make their feelings known.
The Herald’s piece this morning on Newco being “handed a place in the Premiership next summer as a result of some hastily-arranged league reconstruction” was remarkable. It was absurd but also worthy of respect. “NOBODY at Rangers (sic.)” wants this, but as other clubs need for Newco’s promotion is so great, apparently this is not really implausible.
Promote them, not because they are in need, because other clubs need them.
The starting position on league reconstruction is notable. For years only Celtic and Rangers blocked the SPL from being expanded. The majority of top flight clubs live in fear of (and experienced) relegation. They want a less competitive middle to the league. When the SPFL was formed a temporary moratorium of league reconstruction was agreed. This moratorium is due to expire shortly, a window for change is about to open up.
Tracking underneath all of these debates are the financial fundamentals. Newco is not financially viable. They are not viable in the Championship and although Premiership football would give them a few millions more, it would not change the fundamentals.
The circa £17m it takes to run a club at Ibrox before you employ football staff leaves little money for football given their anticipated top-flight income. It would take years and many tens of millions of dead investment to change this, as well as Mike Ashley raising the white flag.
These facts have not been grasped yet as the consequences of the hoped for investment of tens of millions not appearing are not being considered. Dave King might invest £30m-£50m, so with a fair wind everything might be OK. On the other hand, I think even £50m is tight, and I don’t see anything like that money heading to Ibrox.
The consequences of what happened in 2012, even on these pages, have yet to be realised. The old business model is finished, it’s not coming back.
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Just back from getting cup semi tickets at Ticket Office. Strangely only selling tickets for North Stand. No East Stand tickets on sale. Suits me as I prefer the view from North Stand but assume they must be trying to fill that first so it doesn’t look so empty on TV.
DELANYS DUNKY
Thanks for that G, good to be back. HH
What if……Celtic draw the huns in the cup and….Big Warburton does a, Big McGhee on Ronny’s roasters ?
DAVIDOPOULOS
In no way was I trying to put you off,merely pointing out the difficulty.
I reckon we are about £100m away from nirvana. That’s the problem. And the board know it.
Morning Celts
So far on CQN…I have learned that DD was angry at the Hun cheating(supposedly).
Yet DD doesn’t seem to have a problem waxing lyrical about the same cheats,
I’m confused….which one is it?
Davidopolous.
Keep Digging.
HH
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
No, no, didn’t think you were.
As I stated previously, it would be very difficult to attain the utopia, if indeed that’s what it is.
Regardless of the pros and cons of our manager, it doesn’t sit well with me people calling for him to lose his job in the mouth of Christmas, while we sit atop of the league.
Goodwill CSC
Árd Macha.
Pat Nevin in wee bit of soapy.
Chelsea midfielder Cesc Fabregas is reportedly taking legal action against pundit Pat Nevin.
Nevin, who spent five years with Chelsea, made a claim that Fabregas was the player who said he would ‘rather lose than win’ for Jose Mourinho.
His comment on BBC Radio Four’s flagship Today programme last week, with Fabregas’ form dipping considerably this season.
Presenter Garry Richardson, who stated a senior player didn’t care about results under Mourinho, brought the topic up to which Nevin replied: “Yeah, that was Cesc Fabregas, wasn’t it?”
And now Fabregas is set to take legal action against the pundit for the remarks,
HT while I understand your point I think it ignores Celtics engagement with corruption. If we are being forced to accept the cheating then it is game over. Then the fulcrum which brings us together is built on a lie and cannot succeed and will instead decline.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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Maybe I’m getting the wrong end of the stick here but, are you saying that Celtic fans would need to find £100 million to take over the club ?
I think that there’s a simpler way…..play the game of bluff…
Sit on the SB-money….tell DD etc… to run the club without the fans money or, get out….don’t come back and…the fans will put the SB-money in and…do what DD etc do….run the club with the fans money.
Which begs the question….why have useless-kowtowing-invisible-directors in the 1st place ?
HH
ARD MACHA
Correct,mate. Ronny isn’t the problem. And sacking him at Christmas would be a disgrace.
Nevin getting his erse felt for messing with a ‘big’ club.
Aye, not long ago…in a land not far away from here….Nevin and McLean from BBC Scotland were trashing the Celtic supporters / customers during the SCF 2011.
The Celtic hierarchy dealt with the issue head-on…..they sent a letter to BBC watchdog.
Powderpuff-Rudderless-House-Of-Cards-In-Freefall PLC /FC.
KEVJ
Aye.
It would.
But we wouldn’t have a team to support if we did that.
As I said earlier to DAVIDOPOULOS a huge part of the problem is that the board know all this.
The Glorious BS
” Do you think it is possible that tricky Dicky – well known for broadcasting pro-Sevco and dave king propaganda – is trying to sway the opinions of these Celtic fans whom you think are so easily persuaded are influenced by the media? ”
I had not given that tactic any thought at all but ,yes,whilst I do not believe that that is what he is doing, I do think it is possible.
JJ
The glib and shameless liar and his bigot cohorts have rung rings around the hapless Celtic PLC.
They sevco mob believe it is their right to cheat….their agenda is let us cheat or else.
So how do we deal with the cheating twats?
Well according to some….we better not upset the huns , in case they get angry.
Yeah really…..that’s the sage advice.
This kind of bs is what Celtic supporters are up against.
We are actually being told to let them cheat.
However….I don’t think that will be happening…we should never fear the truth.
Those that do fear the truth, in all probability, have something to hide.
Stand up against the cheating…..it cannot be allowed to go on.
Strip the titles.
HH
Ronny like, Big Hapless Take It On The Chin Tony Mowbray before him…is, a nice man working for a collection of, faceless-kowtowing-swivel-eyed-charlatans who will throw him to the dogs when…10,000 go to the stadium of, plastered haunting memories that they’ll never live up to…..pics, plastered all the way round the stadium….just to remind everybody of, how far the Glasgow Celtic have fallen.
Davidopoulos-good post,the divide between the fans and the Board,has never been bigger since wee Fergus appeared on the scene.
TGBS-agree re Wilson,a ratbag.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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Why would we not have a team ?
The fans sit on the SB-money….
The hierarchy want to be in control, well that control carries great responsibility….like, being the majority shareholder means, when things go erse up…the ‘controller’ has to pay the wages etc….
How long do ye think that would last ?
Call the hierarchy’s bluff and….they’ll head for the hills….imho.
Sometimes….we need to introduce a little anarchy.
Run away, Run away…..The Huns are coming.
Help!
We better let them cheat, just in case any of the PLC get battered by huns.
But…never mind if the supporters if they get attacked.
This is the narrative lately….and it is total bs.
HH
Neganon2 @ 8:52 “I think it’s true” after making serious allegations against two people on the blog. Not I have proof/evidence but I think!!! Take my previous advice and take some time out
I don`t think those who are constantly negative have had any success in ridding us of any Board Members.
I do think those who are constantly negative have had some success in ridding us of CQN posters.
JJ
Top of the league, still in 2 cup competitions and still it’s not enough for some of our fans. The Celtic world has gone mad.
SFTB@ 10.38
Yes they do all count the same. It’s missing at the moment. And that’s from me, someone who’s quite a Ronni-ista.
HH jamesgang
The Green Man on 22nd December 2015 11:22 am
Two quick questions.
1) Can you accept that while they may not be speaking publicly about it, Celtic are at the very least not ignoring what’s going and are perhaps actively involved in work to bring the cheating to light?
2) Have any employees of Celtic been subject to threats and intimidation for simply carrying out their jobs?
JJHS
You are constantly negative to Celtic fans, who do not take your view.
Recently, you even compared Celtic fans to Sevco fans.
And let me remind you….Celtic fans are not upset for nothing, and they have a right to object to the way the club is run.
James gang
The examples I gave were all from this season, and you admitted that they count.
So why is it missing?
I don’t think as fans we have ever been close to the board, I remember my father never having a good word about the Kelly’s or the Whites, as for Ronny getting the sack at Christmas (which he won’t) it doesn’t sit right with me when he is going for 5 out of 6 domestic trophies…..
Get Scott Allan in the team along with Anthony Stokes and the goals will come, Griff will get 30+ and Ciftic & Cole might get 10 between them so 40+ from our strike force will see us picking up more trophies
The Green Man- totally agree. The usual scottish nod and a wink where the protestant club are allowed to cheat. Everyone knows it.
They are a dying breed, and i don’t believe their influence reaches anywhere near it did previously, but it is still there- the orange fest, the last minute penalty, the daily record phone in, radio Clyde, the majority of loyal toasting journos, public disorder at orange walks, blazers at the SFA, LNS, the denigration of our game because sevco aren’t there, sectarian singing with impunity,…….and on and on.
If they aren’t eventually stripped of their titles I’m not watching scottish football anymore. I’m not watching a league engineered for the most protestant team to win. I don’t expect anything to happen- just expect cfc to get ripped off for the rest of my life by the scottish football establishment. That, and the most protestant team to win- that’s what it’s all about isn’t it?
Weeminger
This is my problem.
Yesterday I was told that DD and PL were angry at the hun cheating.
Yet, DD waxes lyrical about the same cheats.
Now…don’t you think that is a bit misleading to say the least?
Which one is?
Did the PLC say anything about the Celtic fans(BT and his folks), who were violently attacked in the Gallowgate recently?
And let me add….if the PLC are concerned about the consequences of bigotry, why don’t they say something?
HH
Wow! Some heavy hitters in today eh?
Celtic are corrupt and involved in the cheating that’s been done by the SFA SPFL and RIFC ?
Was that a fact? Or a thought? I’d say. The latter, then again?
That PL is a bad bad man.
I genuinely believe internet forums can help create divisive little groups of people
On this site, I have seen plenty of rumours being touted as facts. Some of which I know are false.
And let me add….if the PLC are concerned about the consequences of bigotry, why don’t they say something? – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/aberdeen-fans-grasping-financial-fundamentals/comment-page-14/#comment-2741842
Seriously?
Having been a supporter of the “Give the manager time”side,I regret,I now have grave doubts about the guys ability to lead us.Not just Saturdays game,but that one game encapsulated all that is going wrong at the moment.I watched most of the game with my head in my hands.How the fans who braved the weather,and managed to dodge the last weekend before Xmas,must have felt is beyond my comprehension.
I can see no logic in many of RDs decisions anymore.I know we have injuries to experienced players,but this was Motherwell outplaying us.The Scott Allan thing is a real source of worry for me.Surely this game was the one to give the boy his start.In his best position.A bit of guile,a fine passer of the ball,trying to pull some strings.No.Brought on as a sub,with the team labouring near the death,and stuck out on the wing.
It breaks my heart to say it,but a change is needed.This cannot go on.
Maybe he has been unlucky,ie,Mulgrew injured for most of the season,as I am sure he would have partnered Simunovic,with Boyatta,struggling to maintain any kind of form,giving us a bit of experience there.Sometimes you have to make your own luck.
Brendan Rodgers would be the only person I would attempt to bring in,even then,he would need to be backed in the transfer window.Would he come?.Would anyone come?.Would the board back any new manager?. .
TD67
Aye seriously.
How can you on one hand complain of the possible violent consequences of telling the truth….i.e. the huns wont like it.
And then….ignore the violence against Celtic supporters.
In your world, that might work.
But it doesn’t work for me.
Anyway….you don’t count….PL is your brother:)
HH
Not sure if already posted but DD and PL are meeting in London today.
Turkeybhoy
My patience is up yet, but understand your concerns.
Brendan Rogers? Interesting – i’d forgot about him.
Probably meeting to finalise the Pepe deal. You heard it here first.