It would be remiss of me not to acknowledge Aberdeen fans’ banner on Saturday in response to their chairman, Stewart Milne’s suggestion that fans are damaging our game with talking about the consequences of clubs being found to be cheating.
I know some people learned the lessons of 2012 but others appear to have acquired amnesia. Back in 2012 only one SPL club was of the view that Rangers should not be allowed to phoenix and gain entry to top flight football. After a considerable campaign by fans, all others, apart from Rangers themselves, and Kilmarnock, decided it would be better if existing rules were allowed to stand on the matter.
Milne was off his head making his comments. The only way to possibly pull a stroke like this would be to keep quiet about it, even then I doubt it would be achievable. Making his feelings known was only going to engage Aberdeen supporters, who will have the ultimate view on what the club do.
The issue remains in the long grass until the Supreme Court have concluded their business, but what we said in October remains valid: if Celtic stand alone, the matter will not be looked at again, if other clubs are on-board, it will be examined appropriately. It is for fans of Aberdeen, United, Hibs, Hearts, Motherwell and make their feelings known.
The Herald’s piece this morning on Newco being “handed a place in the Premiership next summer as a result of some hastily-arranged league reconstruction” was remarkable. It was absurd but also worthy of respect. “NOBODY at Rangers (sic.)” wants this, but as other clubs need for Newco’s promotion is so great, apparently this is not really implausible.
Promote them, not because they are in need, because other clubs need them.
The starting position on league reconstruction is notable. For years only Celtic and Rangers blocked the SPL from being expanded. The majority of top flight clubs live in fear of (and experienced) relegation. They want a less competitive middle to the league. When the SPFL was formed a temporary moratorium of league reconstruction was agreed. This moratorium is due to expire shortly, a window for change is about to open up.
Tracking underneath all of these debates are the financial fundamentals. Newco is not financially viable. They are not viable in the Championship and although Premiership football would give them a few millions more, it would not change the fundamentals.
The circa £17m it takes to run a club at Ibrox before you employ football staff leaves little money for football given their anticipated top-flight income. It would take years and many tens of millions of dead investment to change this, as well as Mike Ashley raising the white flag.
These facts have not been grasped yet as the consequences of the hoped for investment of tens of millions not appearing are not being considered. Dave King might invest £30m-£50m, so with a fair wind everything might be OK. On the other hand, I think even £50m is tight, and I don’t see anything like that money heading to Ibrox.
The consequences of what happened in 2012, even on these pages, have yet to be realised. The old business model is finished, it’s not coming back.
Many thanks to everyone who contributed to the Foundation Christmas Appeal bucket collection on Saturday. You see people at their very best on these occasions. If you want to know how your money will be spent have a read here.
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The Green Man on 22nd December 2015 11:42 am
I don’t think anybody’s right or wrong in this but I do think it’s possible that eg DD is saying one thing publicly and doing another privately. Put it this way given what the experiences of NL et al, if I was DD I wouldn’t be calling Sevco cheating scumbags in public, even if I was working to prove that in private (and I’m definitely not saying he is).
catman
“Not sure if already posted but DD and PL are meeting in London today. ”
Is PL going to Harrods to buy DD a christmas present of moustache wax?
Ah, so that’s where you get moustache wax.
BCW
That’s the wife’s Christmas present sorted then
Ah I get it now.
Protect the PLC and staff from hun violence….but let the supporters look after themselves.
And better yet….remain silent about the hospitalisation of good Celtic supporters.
Nah….I don’t think so.
The cheek of some people…to promote the old firm hatred, but ignore the subsequent violence.
We should be banning that mob from CP.
HH
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 22ND DECEMBER 2015 11:16 AM
ARD MACHA
Correct,mate. Ronny isn’t the problem. And sacking him at Christmas would be a disgrace.
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I know your feelings,but how long are we supposed to go on for?.I hate the thought of RD failing,but I have now lost faith in his leadership/decision making.Not reached by a knee jerk reaction to the last match,but far too many other factors.I honestly now dont believe in him.
I really do hope he proves me wrong.I really do.
Turkeybhoy
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Bringing in a new manager wulny change anything….Geppetto will be waiting for him.
Celtic will stumble along until, the cheating huns are back….then innocent fans will be in for a shock, a horrible shock.
The only other thing that I wouldn’t rule out happening….Aberdeen win the league….Celtic fans wake up, then sack the board and, restructure the club.
Not at the wind-up here but, I think that Big McGhee could put a better product onto the pitch with, Ronny’s players…only saying.
HH
I like the way Phil calls them out for what they are; an extremist right wing group. The Klan is appropriate for them. Intimidation, violence, sectarianism, racism, anti refugee, white supremist – they are all these things. This is who runs scottish football, It’s like a banana republic-
Catman
By all accounts the great Desmondo was jetting into Glasgow on Sunday, golfing yesterday now London the day, the Bhoy gets about……..
Wonder if DD is a Bounder ?
The GASL is raising funds and DD is a customer
Weeminger
No, No, and no again.
In this country, a sectarian attack against the Celtic manager is permissible.
And that is the reason, why we should stand up against it.
Hiding and letting them cheat will be the end of Scottish Football.
We must confront the bigotry.
Silence will solve nothing.
As long as you keep quiet…Nothing will change.
HH
Kev….
Am just about to go off oot, if you want a new manager why not Derek McInnes, surely if his team wins the league his stock is higher than Mark McGhee who has failed at every club (including McInnes’s Aberdeen) don’t get your logic, which probably isn’t a bad thing
coolmore mafia
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Hail Hail fella.
A wee question….why does the likes of Phil not call out the ‘banana republicans’ who run Celtic PLC ?
HH
The Green Man
If you sat down with PL at a game of poker you’d be down to your underpants after half an hour, PL, never shows his hand and is a very clever man, why do you think the Huns hate him so much?
PL knows the fans feelings on the cheating that went on, he also knows if he goes it alone, his plan is done for, now people in here are falling into the trap the SMSM are just begging for, and that includes some of the trumpets in here, divided and conquer, I can see it coming a mile away.
You’ll get your combat jacket with the TBB badge on his/her lapel in here giving it large in here on how poor the club is being ran, where’s DD? PL is in bed with the SFA SPFL RIFC , and of course they are entitled to have there say, same as I’m doing.
Any fool can criticize, complain, and condemn—and most fools do. But it takes character and self-control to be understanding and forgiving.”
If Celtic are getting rings run round them by King & Co, I must be missing something. King is due in Court shortly to face serious charges, Sevco , through Level 5, are pushing for league reconstruction to ensure that they are in the top league somehow or other. They need cheap loans from somewhere or other to see out the season.
We are top of the league and going for a 4th treble in our history. Yet they are running rings round us.
Geez peace ffs!
Try to look back to new year 2000. Heading for thems winning the league by 20 odd points, Murray lording it at every turn.
We are heading for our 11th title since then. Our finances are stable. We will improve on the Euro front. Cheer up, bhoys and ghirls. Don’t let the doom mongers spoil your Christmas. That’s what the huns want.
HH
Gerryfaethebrig
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Gerry, McInnes would have failed with the, Aberdeen that McGhee was asked to turn roon.
Merry Christmas to yer guid self and, all who are close.
Hail Hail – Jingle All The Way.
ger57
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Going for 4 trebles out of what ?….127 ?
Where’s the street party ?
Shooting fish in a barrel / One horse league…
…nae wonder the pars hauf empty.
Merry Christmas.
I now have a view of TD wearing his old pantaloons with only a 2 of hearts and 6 of spades to hide his embarrassment!!!
HH jamesgang
pars=parks
TD67
C,mon T….you know that none of that cut and paste wisdom, will have any bearing on my conclusions.
You see, I can come to my own conclusions, I don’t need help.
Now…I don’t know PL, so its not a personal thing….and I have heard loads of good stuff about him…ive no doubt he is a decent guy.
However…I don’t think he is doing a good job.
But wht I don’t understand….is how DD can sing the praises of the bigots and cheats that play at ipox..
Wise though I am:)….I don’t understand why DD loves Sevco so much?…..can you explain that to me, after all, you know these guys.
HH
Oh aye, I have a stalker thinking naughty thoughts about me, oh dear :))
JAMESGANG on 22ND DECEMBER 2015 12:09 PM
I now have a view of TD wearing his old pantaloons with only a 2 of hearts and 6 of spades to hide his embarrassment!!!
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http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/dispatches-from-a-reluctant-reporter/
But wht I don’t understand….is how DD can sing the praises of the bigots and cheats that play at ipox.. Wise though I am:)….I don’t understand why DD loves Sevco so much?…..can you explain that to me, after all, you know these guys. – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/aberdeen-fans-grasping-financial-fundamentals/comment-page-14/#comment-2741871
That’s easy, like PL, DD is a very clever business man to right?
He only tells the media what they want to know, not, what he thinks…..think about it, your not a dafty, that I do know.
The Green Man
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Hail Hail fella.
Maybe, just maybe….DD knows how all this res:12 is going to pan out and, maybe this is DD’s way of donig a, Martin O’Neill – “Rangers are the benchmark.” – thing ?…Just, maybe…DD with his mindgames….might just spare a few Tims from hun violence when res:12 flattens ibrokes ?
Maybe, Hopefully, Maybe, Hopefully.
Hail Hail
Andy Walker describes Celtic as dull and uninspiring. He should get out his VHS tapes and look back at the videos of the team he played in during his second spell. If he wants to talk about ineffective strikers, he should look at his own performances in the same tapes.
If people think this is the worst celtic team ever, they can’t have been watching too long.
Andy Walker, the man who put the “dull and uninspiring” into dull and uninspiring. Andy is another of the ex celts in the media who has taken the Huns shilling, IMO.
Tondo nelly
One or two of our supporters are feeling a little insecure, and have succumbed to the meeja onslaught on Celltic …… and some, like Neganom, just can’t help themselves ….bless them all ….. I’ll just continue to resist and go to our home games to support my team, thank you very much ….!!!!
Turkeybhoy, if you are having doubts then as far as I can see RD is finished. Like yourself, I am far away but rarely miss a game on Celtic TV, there is no-one to excite, no characters and we are without a clue when we are hunted down, a tactic that is now being recognised by a growing number of opposition coaches and managers. They will not beat us all the time but the warning signs are very often there. Once you get into a rut it can be very difficult to get yourself out and that is where we look to be heading. We have very little shape and confidence is down, it will take a major change to get these qualities back, I’m not convinced we have the people in place at present to do this.
While I’m on a rant, you’ve got to love the sheer brassneck of the SFA calling for the FIFA episode to be fully investigated and run in future with transparency and integrity, without even the slightest hint of irony.
Jingle All The Way
…bed time Zzzzzzzzzzzz…..
garygillespieshamstring
SPOT ON …..another wee insignificant shoite ….!!!! ….hahahahahahaha
TD67
Puzzled at the antics of DD to say the least.
Still don’t get it.
And btw….I think the way the PLC have made wee jay a Celtic ambassador is wonderful, its lovely to see the happiness on that wee bhoy’s face.
So, its not all bad.
HH
http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2015/apr/02/football-stadiums-then-and-now-interactive-quiz-part-two
If anybody fancies a quick wee quiz!
I’ll be ashamed of you if you don’t get 1 out of 10!
With fives minutes to go on Saturday I had a wee look around the three quarters empty ground and thought what could we have done differently.
I looked at the main stand and thought we should have added a top tier.
Once they were allowed into the bottom tier we knew we had 3 or 4 years to act.
Fergus beat them because he had more seats. Once our capacity was 60,000 they were also rans – thus the necessity for cheating.
An 80,000 stadium completed and opened say next summer would have sent a message. It would have been champions league, new out of Scotland league ready.
Daft? Yes. Dafter than going down the gears and waiting on them? I think not.
The Green Man
I agree, I’v met Wee Jay and his dad, and it was my pleasure.
Have you got any idea how long a round of golf takes?
Nae wonder DD doesn’t have the time to go to AGM’s _:))
If the Celtic Board are afraid to do the right thing for fear of repurcussions, whose to say that the players and management haven’t adopted the same approach in the past and might not do so in the future?
Or do they work to a different moral code?
I live in Aberdeen and have done for 20+ years, before that I was in the Highlands..so I am far from a Celtic Park regular – instead paying a couple of visits a year. Prior to that I lived in Glasgow most of my life both with my parents and then as a student. Over my Glasgow years I was a regular attender but couldn’t afford a season ticket.
As life does – I’m now in the position financially but not geographically…although the geography is about to change. My son will almost certainly be going to Glasgow to study next year. This has prompted a few changes – we will be getting a flat in Glasgow and visiting regularly. The perfect justification for 2 season tickets.
So I see myself as a floating voter – I reckon there are 1000s of floating voters – with different circumstances. There are those who purchase season tickets but don’t go. A lot of untapped potential.
Maybe I’m over thinking my personal circumstances but I reckon the right changes and communication from Celtic and we could see crowds grow again.
This is the time to restore confidence.
Those who laud Lawell are right in terms of his business prowess but only if you want to protect the status quo.
If we want to grow – we need to make some changes.
Changes could be any or all of the following:
CEO / Board
Manager/ Coaching staff
Ticket prices
Reducing quantity/increasing quality of players
We need to hear something new that signals growth and ambition…. right now all I’m hearing is status quo/decline.
Now you see, this is what I mean, this embarrassed me to hell, Celtic supporter? Ffs.
Sack Deila Petition Out of Order
A Celtic fan has started an online petition to get Ronny Deila sacked from his position as Celtic manager.
The description of the petition reads:
Ronny Deila has tarnished the reputation of the club in Europe with poor performances in both the Europa League and UCL. Winning the league and domestic cups are no longer enough for a club like Celtic looking to expand and become bigger and better. Celtic need to perform at a much higher level than they are under Ronny Deila. #SackRonnyDeila
Winning the league and domestic cups is not enough anymore?
This is the sort of self-entitled drivel that I have come to expect from a certain section of our support. A section that doesn’t necessarily remember the bad times at Celtic.
While many fans have come to the conclusion that it may be time for Ronny to move on, I think the majority of these people would cringe at this petition.
If domestic success is no longer enough for a Celtic manager then anyone in the hot-seat will surely find themselves at the receiving end of their very own petition at some point during their Celtic career.
I have no qualms with people who would like to see a change in manager. All Celtic fans are entitled to their opinion but between this petition and the venom being shown towards Ronny Deila online, I have come to the conclusion that they are the people who are tarnishing the club with their actions.
This isn’t an article for or against Deila’s dismissal. Ronny is at the mercy of the Celtic support and you can be sure whether he keeps his job or moves on he will do so with dignity.