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TD67
Fair play. If you can stomach it under any circumstances.
I can’t accept what we are becoming.
Interesting to see whats what on here this morning, haven’t been on here in ages (apart from the odd lurk) and i know why.
TD completely agree
What is the complaint? league and cup double and people want everyone sacked, we have craved competition for years outside of Rangers, now they are gone we have it, why are so many complaining?
we are still top, still in control, we will win the league and i believe the cup. Ross county was a disappointment but they were the better team, it happens.
for those who want Ronny etc sacked, when the new manager comes in, why do you think it will be so much better? the new manager would have to work within the same constraints as Ronny as managers before him do you honestly think they would be miles better than him and steam rolling every team they meet?
I would hate to play with shitebags.
I feel for team mates of James Forest.
Cultsbhoy
I agree. We were defeated. Time for a cold shower. I would have much preferred, having had the defeat, to have been gubbed: six nil or so.
If that would have been the case, we would have been shot of Deila and Collins by now.
Robert88
The problem is, our competition comprises of Provincial Backwater Clubs: whilst we have infinitely superior resources than all of our competition combined!
Big Peat of Islay
So do most of the prem clubs over Leicester
that kevjungle fella sounds a pleasant chap, i wonder if he was bullied at nursery.
yes, having the competition at the top of the league is great, but it would be better if it was more to do with other teams improving to get closer to us, rather than us sinking to their level
but i guess it makes the rest of the season more exciting, in an ‘every point is a prisoner’ type of way
but won’t help us 1 jot in Europe (what is a ‘jot’ anyway? – Ed)
something needs to change somewhere along the line
If Peter Lawell pays me £500,000 I will tell him all the answers to our problems, he can get my email address from P67 ;-)
ROBERT88 on 4TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:20 AM
‘we have craved competition for years outside of Rangers, now they are gone we have it, why are so many complaining?’
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We have competition because we have steadily got worse, season after season. It’s not that the other sides have got better.
I don’t know any Celtic fan who craved that.
I’m sorry if I’ve shattered your illusions.
How long do you watch unremitting pish before you say “this is unremitting pish and someone must act to end it”? Never seems to be the answer if many. In the name of loyalty. Manna from heaven for Lawwell the self enriching mediocrity.
ernie lynch
I do not believe we have got worse that’s just down to your own personal expectation of where Celtic should be
HT
A rare moment of balance this morning on CQN.
That 2nd goal and the 2nd half capitulation that followed, coming after 30 very good minutes of play, reflects the problem we showed in the Fenerbache and Ajax games and Malmo at home. We are much less secure in defence this season than we were last season domestically.
The biggest mistake our manager made last night was dropping Efe & It’s not the first time he’s thrown a player under the bus. A manager should defend his players to the hilt in public, Ronny doesn’t seem to do this. Ever since he allowed Derk Bo to be branded a cheat, he’s allowed himself to be influenced by the media, none more so than their relentless campaign against Efe. Yes Ambrose has made mistakes but it doesn’t help when your manager compounds the narrative of blame & then drops the player. It’s not good management to scapegoat & single out one player for the collective mistakes v Ross County. Especially when the Aberdeen game was always going to be a physical one & even more so when you saw the state of their pitch. It wasn’t a night for a new central defensive partnership or for three lightweights in midfield. No it was a night for players who have been over the course before & knew what to expect. We may have still got beaten but at least we would have lost the right way.
I’m not saying the result hinged on not selecting Ambrose but I like to see our managers protecting players. I don’t see RD doing this often enough & this for me is this biggest issue I have with Ronny.
Fixtures
To follow on from an earlier point – how many BIG pressure games has Ronny won (even over 2 legs) ? – cant think of many – yeah we’ve put a few spl teams to the sword a few times but BIG games…? Problem is if we look at the known fixtures between now and April sure they are now all big must win games but are they truly BIG (sure if Ronny loses a few off them and the dons dont but individiually……). So how much opportunity does that give Ronny to restore faith prior to the qualifiers…. and if its a repeat performance in those is it sacking time then… and given the lack (maybe 2-3) of TRUE BIG games between now and then is that a situation we even want to entertain…..
Sackings/Timing
Could Ronny complain if he was sacked by the end of the month? Probably not but as someone else sortoff said is it not a wee bit pointless sacking a manager a week after the transfer window shuts – with the Euro’s in the summer what preparation time would any new signings of his have (ok he’d have more time to assess the current squad/ try to sort out the defending/set pieces/penalty taking/style of play/plan B’s) which is important but this is then back to the old problem that probably 2/3rds of our success barameter for the season falls too half a dozen qualifier games that have come and gone usually mostly before the season has really got underway or the players are properly fit/organised, unless our league format/league changes nothing we do will change that
Lessons Learnt/Improvement
Heres the real problem even I think Ronnie is very slow to learn lessons against teams who frankly we shouldnt be learning lessons from – we were used to sporadically punching above our weight/having a go, now we are target – defending in general, set pieces, style of play/plan b – now thanks to efe I think ronnie is starting to learn and work on those (and yes injuries and budget have played a part) but he should have done that a year ago
Signings
Again a real question, on the other link it said ronnie has now signed about 22/23 players, now I dont know how many of those were proper proper first choices/best choice available at the budget/wet useless sticky plasters but only what 4-5 either have worked out or may yet work out – most have been temporary rancid sticky plasters…..
ROBERT88 on 4TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:34 AM
ernie lynch
‘I do not believe we have got worse’
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Ah well.
You’ll be looking forward to the Champions League then.
ernie lynch
lets hope so.
Looking forward to Paul67 post today
Will it be calm hold your nerve – or –
Will it be manager has to go. ??
67 ECW
67 ECW
I can take a guess….
meds hivny kicked-in yet……
Was hearing the other week that, admiring glances were aimed at, Wigan manager – Gary Caldwell(The Heid) from, high-beaks on the Celtic board……
…..Was hearing the same before the game, last night…..
Adds up when ye think about it……
PL = DD’s puppet
WGS = PL’s puppet
GC = WGS’s puppet
The ole Celtic hierarchy-managerial-puppet-show…since, 2005…….
It seems like, operation empty-the-park is about to reach it’s final cycle……
…..Hmmmmm ?…….
I see an assertion that the gap is closer because Celtic are getting worse, not that Aberdeen are getting better. Make you own mind up based on facts.
2016 League table
Celtic P24 F64 A21 Pts55
Aberdeen P24 F40 A23 Pts52
2015 League table 7th Feb
Celtic P22 F43 A12 Pts51
Aberdeen P24 F41 A21 Pts51
Personally I’m happy banging in a lot more goals at the expense of conceding more. And if Aberdeen improve their points tally to make the competition more exciting, good on them.
BTW. Two weeks later we had won our games in hand and were on 57 points after 24 games. So, we’re 2 points down on last season. Nothing scary about that.
Robert88: are you Lawrie fae Dennistoun by any chance?
on 4TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:39 AM
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The clique circle the wagons and, raise the flag of denial……
I think all those English clubs that have a huge financial advantage over Leicester Cty shoud be sacking their managers NOW!
ERNIE LYNCH on 4TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:33 AM
We have competition because we have steadily got worse, season after season. It’s not that the other sides have got better.
I don’t know any Celtic fan who craved that.
I’m sorry if I’ve shattered your illusions.
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We’re 2 points worse off than last year.
Aberdeen are 2 points better off than what was at the point a great season for them.
You’re not shattering any illusions because you’re talking pish.
CULTSBHOY CAN NOT RELATE TO CELTIC BOARD AMBITIONS ON OR OFF THE PARK on 4TH FEBRUARY 2016 8:18 AM
TD67
Fair play. If you can stomach it under any circumstances.
I can’t accept what we are becoming.
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As I’v said we’ve been in worse situations and I’m still here, and still going, and always will, no matter how many splinter groups, Ultra’s, left wing socialists, and Uni. Students turn up, they (well most of them) will all at some point in there lives be done with all that stuff, me? I’ll always be a Celtic supporter, that’s the difference.
the set up of our team last night was all wrong
we were 6 points clear ..no need to win ..a draw would have been a decent result
a dreadful pitch
yet
we set up our usual inflexible system
one up front ..fair enough
three behind..GMS/Armstrong &McGregor…not a tackle between them..sand dancers ..who will not help in any fashion defensively
two midfield ..Bitton in wretched form of late and Brown ..who is nowhere near match fit
therefore leaving the midfield to be shored up by a half fit Brown affording little or no cover to an exposed CB pairing neither of whom are match fit and have played around 60 mins together
footballing madness
Deila is an idealist …last night called for pragmatism …quite how he couldn’t see that is beyond me
the set up was appalling last night ..the substitutions poor ..the result as expected
add the gutless, heartless and passionless second half display and we have problems
we now have a further problem as Lustig went off injured ..we have no cover ..Janko is long term injured and Fisher is out on loan …step forward Efe for another calamitous return …in the transfer window we did nothing to address this potential issue…instead we continued our collection of wingers
what a mess
we must act now or the unthinkable embarrassment may just become reality
bluegrass celt
Na, clues in the name, not sure who he is
Get stubs in at least we might start defending
Bhoys, calm heads are required.
Some logical thinking needed.
Ronnie is working under intolerable pressure.
We profess not to pay any heed to SMSM.
Are we kidding ourselves?
I see Celtic supporters screaming for his head after any defeat.
Just like SMSM.
Have we been suckered into believing that without Sevco to challenge us we should never get beat?
The goal Hayes scored was immense.
No team could have legislated for that.
Sure Ronnie has made big mistakes and appears inflexible in system and selection.
I kinda like that.
He believes he will succeed.
So do I .
He needs our support not or derision.
We now have a squad that is enormous, mediocrity foisted on Ronnie by Park & Lawwell in the hope of finding a gem we can punt to the EPL.
Here’s a novel idea Peter.
Flog the deadwood, release them if u can’t flog them and invest the wages saved on quality with a greatly reduced squad.
Or keep on bringing in projects?
The system is flawed.
Ronnie is the patsy.
Lawwel & co , time to change, or time to go
HH
Just deleted a long and winding, some might even say prolix, post about the relative levelling of the standard of the game in Scotland. The premise is reasonable, but the post was rambling.
In essence: The standard of the top clubs has slipped (in real as well as relative terms), while that of those lower in the pecking order has increased.
The ubiquity of ‘pro-youth’ football has delivered a huge number of players into the game who, while not good enough to play at the very top level, nevertheless are well trained, well coached and technically capable footballers.
Pro youth has failed to deliver outstanding talent, but it’s delivered an enormous number of very good players, and taken together, they’re capable of being melded into a capable team by a capable coach.
Look at Ross County, ICT, St Johnstone for example. Look at Falkirk, Queen of the South, Stranraer.
Seems the “quality” approach to Scottish football over the past decade has succeeded in driving up the average standard, at the cost of elite performance.
Celtic need a MURDO in the midfield.
An all action, high energy dynamo, workhorse, who’ll chip in a few Celtic-style goals and, can look after himself, win the ball……his name is…..John McGinn….a player who can, tackle without fouling something that, Broony has been trying in the Celtic 1st team for 8 years and, guess what ?….He still leans with his chin….he hisny goat it….if he has ?….Who are we fighting off to keep him ?
Fluck awe these green & white Craig Brown types of p#sh talkers….you’ve helped to empty the park with all yer delusional deflection tactics…..snobs….are killing Celtic….please stop them….please….
Wholehearted support for these Liverpool fans £77 match tickets over £1,000 season tickets a nonsense time to real in the corporate greed
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….meds are now working….oot…..
I am not a Ronnie hater. I quite like him. He is quiet and unassuming. However he is not cut out to manage a club of the status and size of Celtic.
He is a spreadsheet coach (a limited one at that.) He does not have the tactical experience or dexterity required. He seems to be a slow learner .
Do we get rid now ?
That could be self defeating at this stage. But we must put in place plans to have another manager in by the Champions League next season. We have been abysmal in Europe under Ronnie and I cant see that improving whilst he is still manager. We have been beaten by teams with vastly inferior resources to ourselves and that was because they had coaches capable of adapting the right tactics against us and coaches who could inspire passion , a will to win and fire into the bellies of their players.
We will win the league this season. But given our fiscal superiority and size that should be as close to a given as is possible in football.
The team has downsized and regressed. This moneyball nonsense has squeezed the life out of the club and is killing the passion of the fans. Celtic fans are wonderful, truly loyal and passionate about their club.
We really do deserve better than this consistent under achievement.
Ronnie has regressed too in my opinion.
Actually, perhaps he never had the nous in the first place.
How long must our patience and loyalty be tested??
To all the Board lovers ..
If we lose the league is that still part of a big plan?
As said before, the board need to honestly answer two questions.
Have we improved as a team from last year?
Will this squad and management team enhance our chances of qualifying for CL?
If they believe the answers are yes and yes, carry on as we are.
If they believe the answers are no and no, decide if it’s time to change and act now.
If they believe it’s a combination of yes and no, i don’t think that’s possible so would be interesting how they played out that scenario.
TD67 @ 8:08 “there are no certainties in life” Death and taxes the only two certainties in life – Benjamin Franklin mind you Celtic, you or I were not around when he said that. H H Hebcelt
tonydonnelly67 on 4th February 2016 9:05 am
As I’v said we’ve been in worse situations and I’m still here, and still going, and always will, no matter how many splinter groups, Ultra’s, left wing socialists, and Uni. Students turn up, they (well most of them) will all at some point in there lives be done with all that stuff, me? I’ll always be a Celtic supporter, that’s the difference.
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what about right-wing pro-austerity, anti-poor, capitalists that support us, i take it you can handle them no bother?
i guess you can since you have been known to be entertained by them while attending the games
and you are one of course
personally i couldnt give a rats tail what leanings other fans have
i do care about that when it comes to the running of our club though
If PL is willing to back Ronny until the end of the season, then PL must resign if we fail to win the league.