It’s a return to to seed Ajax, which is a good football draw, although the Ajax fans and Amsterdam police make it an unwelcome tie for other reasons.
Fenerbahce lost their Champions League qualifier to Shakhtar Donetsk before beating Greek club Atromitos in the Europa League play-off round. There were no easy teams in pot three, Fenerbahce are about par for the group.
Molde beat Dinamo Zagreb and Standard Liege, so deserve some respect, they will fear no one in this competition.
Happy with the draw, it could have been a whole lot more difficult but as always, we have to arrive prepared as there are no hiding places in Europe.
GOLFERS!
There’s a chance to win a round of golf for four of you at the magnificent Aberdour course, scene of the annual CQN Open, for £1. Taggsybhoy has provided this opportunity, to raise funds to support the Celtic Foundation’s work. If you want to cheer yourself up after a hard week, read about the Foundation’s work here.
A box full of backpacks, pencils and cups for Malawi just arrived at my office (thank you) ahead of tomorrow’s collection at the Celtic Way before the game. Remember to bring along your old backpacks, pencils and handtowels if you have any.
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Beatbhoy
In my extremely knowledgeable position, it is Shine A Light from Exile on Main St……
Sydney Tim
Not as much as we do . Is that Peter’s fault ?
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Scoring v deidco
HH
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Kaiser Chiefs
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The narrative seems to be it was a mistake to appoint Ronnie, a rookie manager to a post like Celtic which demands an experienced hand. How far does that live up to any cursory evidence.
Ronnie is a rookie despite one years managing in Norway’s lower divisions, two years as an ast. coach in the top division and 6 years managing in their top division. He won them a cup (their 5th) and league (their 2nd in a 108 year history). He had European experience of playing Atletico Madrid in a Europa qualifying tie in 2011. He managed them in 2 further Europa qualifiers in 2013, beating Debrecen of Hungary and losing to Czech side Jablonec. He would have had CL qualifying management experience if he had not come to Celtic when Stromgodset qualified for that stage.
How does that compare with Celtic managers
Willie Maley- First managerial post with no prior experience (European experience was not an option)
Jimmy McStay- 2nd post- had two years with Alloa, one of them in the 2nd division
Jimmy McGrory- 9 years managing Killie during the war when no league took place. Took them to a losing cup final before WW2. Took him 9 years to win a league with Celtic and 5 years to win a cup.
Jock Stein- 4 years with Hibs and one year with Dunfermline. Jock had 2 years European experience with the Pars
Billy McNeill- one year with Clyde and one year with Aberdeen. Billy had one European tie with the Dons which he lost
David Hay- 1 year with Motherwell, winning the 2nd div. No priorEuropean management experience
Billy McNeill again- 10 years now in Management- had Euro experience from his first spell at Celtic
Liam Brady- First managerial post- no prior experience at all
Lou Macari- 9 years in management- all in the lower leagues of England. No Euro experience
Tommy Burns- 2 years with Killie, only one in the top division. No Euro experience
Wim Jansen- 15 years in management, 8 were as asst. or Technical director. He won 2 Dutch cups with Feyenoord so did have Euro experience- almost took them to a Final
Jo Venglos- 32 years experience but only ever won 2 Czech leagues in 74 and 75- suspect he had some Euro tie experience
John Barnes- Rookie manager all round- no Euro experience
Kenny Dalglish- 15 years in management- plenty Euro experience
MON- 13 years in management, 4 in the top division winning 2 league cups- minimal Euro experience
WGS- 9 years in management, one years experience of Europe with Southampton- lost his 1st tie
Tony Mowbray- 7 years in management- only Euro experience came in 2 UEFA campaigns with Hibs- both falling at the first hurdle
Neil Lennon- rookie manager- no Euro experience
So, by my reckoning, Ronny has had more prior club managerial experience than all bar Billy McNeill (2nd time around), Lou Macari-(all lower league), Wim Jansen, Jo Venglos, Kenny Dalglish, MON and WGS. He ranks 8th out of 18 managers in prior club experience.
Only Jock, Billy McNeill (2nd time around), Wim, and Kenny had more prior Euro experience. Of the 17 managers who could have had Euro experience, he ranks 5th.
So where did all this rookie nonsense- we usually employ experienced managers with Euro experience- actually come from?
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Roddy scores ’79
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BGX,
Should Lawwell receive a bonus for CL failure by selling Celtics best player ?
Mr Pastry,
Lawwell sanctions every signing from youth level to seasoned pro at Celtic. If he does not fancy a deal he can close it by not agreeing the fee or meeting players demands. Lawwell told Bobo to find a club before The manager Strachan was informed. Bobo told his “agent ” who is still at Hampden who duly informed Strachan. It’s one examples of the power he has. Ronny has no chance.
Auldheid,
Lawwell runs Celtic from top to bottom. This is a well known fact from agents, players families etc
It is wrong that one man is judge and jury in all things Celtic. We have a beancounter in place controlling every aspect of the club reporting to an absentee Landlord. Lawwell decides on who comes and goes. He even picked Ronnys assistant for him.
The ongoing downsizing is evidence that Lawwell is failing the club and the support. £50M lost revenue in 12 months highlights the scale of failure. Winter crowds of 20k will not bother Lawwell. He will just cut the budget.
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Danny scores at Arbroath
HH
Taranis
Cheers.
LATCHFORD on 28TH AUGUST 2015 11:09 PM
Lawwell sanctions every signing from youth level to seasoned pro at Celtic.
Incorrect. PL has to get every signing sanctioned by the board, usually through Tom Allison, DD’s no.2
It gets more hilarious by the minute, the trolls are starting to talk to each other, or to themselves as the case may be.
:-)
Art of war…
:) by God the knowledge and memory that some have on here, we would skoosh it, sadly I can’t remember Tuesday, so I’m out :(
Isn’t it doubly hilarious that when alternative viewpoints are floated, instead of rebuttals we get accusations of Trolls.
No wonder the Top Brass are laughing. If this is a testament of the typical intelligence of the support, then they can continue to keep SNOUT FIRMLY IN TROUGH until they they retire with their mega millions.
Latchford….do you think he sells Celtics best players with his bonus as his first thought?…If you do youre a Moron…Imo
Celtic recorded stupid profits for several year and failed to invest in the team, no chance we will see significant investment and do you know what at 30+ million a year on football department i understand why!!!
we have to many top earners who are not worth their wages
25k for browns passion is 15k over his value to the team
stokes, commons and mulgrew are at 15k per week the most expensive subs in our history
lustig at 15k a week is the highest paid player we have ever had that is never fit
derk and step s are the most expensive players we have that have no chance of ever getting a game at about 18k per week
that will be 90+k a week for zero in return
gordon will be on good wage and earns it
effa, izzy, vvd and boyata will be on decent money and earn it
bitton, forrest, Almstrong, gms and jenko will be on decent money
johanson??? for me kinda lacking in creativity
rogic, mcgregor low earners unproven
griff earning his money
cifci jury’s out
if we can get all the fringe players off the books and all the low to no contributors we might just have 110k for 4 quality players on 27k per week, but then we cant afford that, right!!
Fine margins. We were 2-0 up in 10 mins against Malmo and should have been out of sight such was our superiority. Mistakes allowed Malmo back into the tie. In the second leg Malmo scored but we were hanging on and should have been awarded a penalty and Malmo down to 10 men. One of the worst refereeing decisions I have ever seen since McLeans. We did not play well on the night but again we were on the wrong side of a bad decision. As I said fine margins indeed.
Gordon64 on 28th August 2015 11:29 pm
By your logic then, do we blame bad referrees for our utterly dismal performances outside of the SPL?
We sure must have had a lot of poor decisions then.
By the bucket load, consistently, in every game, season by season.
MALMO SHOULD STILL BE IN THE A&E DEPARTMENT in footballing terms, IF we had the brains and skill to take them to task.
But we haven’t. WE are so BLATANTLY MEDIOCRE that defending this SNOUT IN TROUGH REGIME is tantamount to the worst kind of negligence.
roy croppie on 28th August 2015 11:09 pm
Thanks for sharing, its very likely im in that picture. Was a great day, it was my 16th Bday.
Rod the Nod cfc
HH
Atomic , For Roy’s efforts,
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HH,
Clogher
Roy Croppie
Love the fact that even though I was off for a while when I come back you’re still posting pictures and videos,memories come flooding back.Oh! and I don’t think I ever really apologised for referring to you as Roy Crappie, even though you and the Mrs had a giggle.
Ffs, stop going on about Mr Kevin Nolan, OK he was a good player in his prime, however he is past it now, heavy, slow. He could not keep up with the players from Birkakara and was hooked after 42 min.( no injury ).. Also with respect, some of you have to get a perspective on things.. We got beat by Malmo. Big fxxken deal…Geez a break bhoys….We are Celtic, faithful thro and thro…We have to stop soaking up this hun media stuff.., were doing there job for them !!!! We have some great European nights ahead, look at some of the teams in these groups…How many would grace the CL… We have a young progressive manager who is trying to develop a philosophy, whilst building a “team”.. Come on bhoys…. £120 return Malta-Istanbul, ya dancer…
Malmo’s First goal is a fantastic example of a manager exposing the other sides weakness…We zonal mark the 6 yd line, …Malmo player blocks VVD, Rosenberg runs unguarded from above the penalty spot to the hole between the first post defender and where VVD should be if not blocked….
Watch in on Youtube…Its Clever…
Roy , other Dundee tims apart from the View, lorraine ‘ a woo a woo’ McIntosh of Deacon Blue and the late Billy McKenzie of the Associates.
The picture of Tommy celebrating scoring against them, was the first time we lost to them at CelticPark since the Premier League’s inception in 1975.
That day was a double whammy for me. I got a knock back from a girl, Teresa ‘ Teri’ McCann . My line of I could be so good for you didnae work for some reason. .
Good night all and sleep well.
Bgx
Do you think ronny is aware of that
I don’t
BGX. Let’s make this clear
Every financial decision within Celtic park has to be checked to make sure that it will not deflect the bottom line away from PL KPI’s
End of story
We have know for some time that VvD was for the ofskie, we knew that Jason D would leave.
I’m sorry, but to replace them with a couple of raw rookies really doesn’t inspire much confidence.
The board arse lickers can say what they want, they can delude themselfs that Pedro is doing a grand job, he is re the finances, but the team on the pitch, if you really believe he is, dearie me, and I thot that most Tims had a brain, seems that my naivety strikes again.
Sleep well Timland.
Wits he better be Now mate, coz i saw it and i fancy Kilmarnock + 1 goal at 5/6 away to motherwell tomorrow…Comes up….Im after his job..m
I’d imagine that if you’d tried to place a bet ‘in-running’ on Celtic qualifying after the second goal was scored in the home leg, you’d have found the odds too prohibitive to make any bet worthwhile.
If I imagine right, ( maybe someone checked the odds), then it underlines just how badly we blew the overall tie.
Sydneytim….Aye..nae bother….Another attempt to qaulify for the C/L has gone wrong….Bet that looks good on his C/V……
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I would hope if RD has learned anything he will know that we need to adapt to be able to play a 4 4 2 formation. Its what we know and what were good at.
FFS All ye conspiracy theorists are seriously deluded. Lawell manipulating everything for personal gain, the Board & Desmond are either too stupid to see what he is doing or else are approving it. God give me strength.
442 is last century….Teams play 451..out gun you in midfield…..block your wingers…McColl did it to Hibs last year at Easter road and Dumped them…Tell me a team that plays 442…There aint one…not a succesful one anyway…..
I think if Blackett has an option to buy and an experienced centre half follows (or VVD stays) then it’s a good deal.
People seem to have missed that he is a left back. A big, strong, pacy left back.
Ok, he can’t get into the Man Utd side. Either would our best full back, Lustig, at 21 years old.
I appreciate the fans feel short changed but let’s look at each signing on its own merits and wait until Wednesday before assessing the squad
CHAIRBHOY on 28TH AUGUST 2015 10:46 PM
ATTICUSFINCH @ 8:20
Appreciate your comments pal.
I was just highlighting Nolan as the type of player that we need. I think he’d Bring Nir and even Scott Allan on to an extent that his wage would be worth it in the long run. It’s good to have the best that Scotland has to offer but it needs experience to bring it on.
Malta guy : obviously you disagree with my thoughts and I totally respect that but do you not think we need a Nolan type player? Or do you have your own suggestion as to who would fill that role?
BGX. PL will be retiring in a few years
He wants max pension
Not interested in risk
Cheap signings. Cut costs. Season tickets at 35-40k Sell odd gem every year
Targets met. Bonus achieved to add to pension
SydneyTim on 28th August 2015 9:54 pm
Auldheid
Can I make this quite clear
The spend what you earn policy indeed came in after Seville
That policy ended about 5 years ago
Now the policy is sell and then keep some money in bank incase our gamble fails
Big big difference
Here is how spend what you want earn means
We sell vic. We give NL 12.5m to invest in the team
He actually got about 4m. The rest appeared on AGM balance sheet
Forster sold 10m
Ronny was not given that money to spend
It was used to cover up CL gamble that failed
If we had a spend what you earn policy it would make a huge difference
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So we ring fence what we earn from transfers and use that money to buy players and ignore the other bills that require to be paid but cannot be because we can only spend what we earn on players?
Good luck with that approach.
Breaking even is still the policy and that means breaking even where it counts and that is the many creditors accumulated in running a good size football operation with around 500 employees.
Of course it was used to cover a gamble that failed. It would be bloody stupid to place a bet that you could not survive losing.