Despite one former Rangers chairman, Sir David Murray, denying his board issued second contracts to players which were not registered with the football authorities for a period of a decade or more, a more recent chairman, Alastair Johnston, yesterday accepted that the club were guilty of a “breach of procedure” over player payments.
This being the case, Celtic Quick News will not be so quick in future to blindly accept despatches from Sir David as unerringly accurate. If Mr Johnston insists procedure was breached, that’s good enough for us.
The only matter left is what course of action the SPL, SFL and SFA should follow. On all previous occasions when a club has been guilty of a procedural breach over the registration of a player, the result of any game involving that player has been awarded as a 3-0 win to the opposition and the club have been punished.
On assessing the punishment the SPL Commission looking into this matter will consider if Rangers acted with transparency, with information given openly and when asked, or if breaches were hidden, denied to have taken place, and only uncovered after redacted contracts appeared in the press forcing the authorities to set a deadline on the club.
Mr Johnston insists that “Rangers made absolutely no attempt to disguise” the use of EBTs. Attempts to disguise wrongdoing is serious. This claim is correct but is completely irrelevant to the SPL Commission, who are solely concerned with player registration, not whether EBTs were used or not.
Mr Johnston makes no comment on whether Rangers made an attempt to disguise issuing players with second contracts.
He goes on to say, “I suspect that the [SPL] commission will not pursue this avenue of investigation, but it would be interesting whether or not ‘selective amnesia’ would be exhibited by those executives/directors called to testify under oath about their ongoing familiarity with the Rangers scheme.”
The SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie was a director of Rangers for the first five years of the clubs EBT use and benefited from an EBT himself. Despite these revelations from Mr Johnston, Mr Ogilvie still walks the corridors of power, president of our national game. It would be remarkable to see him testify under oath about the scheme Rangers operated while he was legally responsible for their decisions.
Cynics may suggest that Mr Johnston infers that executives at other clubs were aware of Rangers use of un-registered second contracts. It would be quite astonishing if this was the case and an enormous breach of commercial confidentiality by Rangers.
Looking forward to Raith Rovers in the League Cup tonight. Should be an excellent opportunity for Neil to shuffle the pack and try a few things.
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Andrew67
that sounds familiar -were they winfield sannies or yer actual boots tho’? ;-)
I was in Comiso earlier . Nipped into a bar for a caffe freddo . Bar had a cocktail list . This one caught my eye —
Zombi —-
Dark Rum
Golden Rum
White Rum
Overproof Rum
Spiced Rum
Absinthe
Cherry Heering
Pernod
Grenadine
Lime Juice
Grapefruit Juice
Sugar cane syrup..
I think they could have been Stylo matchmakers.
A67
Actual boots.
George Best and Peter Marinello also wore them.
A67
The Buzz Bomb wore bandages around his feet to save the physio doing it after John Greig completed his shift?
From a distance they appeared like white boots …just a blurrr coz he moved so fast :-)
By the mid-1930s Salim, a winger, was an essential member of Calcutta’s Mohammedan Sporting Club side, and helped them to claim five successive Calcutta League titles.
After the title win of 1936, Salim was invited to play two friendlies against the Chinese Olympic side. A cousin called Hasheem who lived in England, and was then visiting Calcutta, witnessed the first match. Having seen Salim’s exceptional display, Hasheem urged Salim to try his hand at European football.
Hasheem was so persuasive that instead of playing in the second Chinese friendly, Salim sailed with him on the City of Cairo for England. After a few days in London, Hasheem took him to Glasgow and Celtic Park.
Salim was surprised to note that all the Celtic players were professionals. However, when asked whether he would be able to compete with them he nodded in approval. Salim’s confidence encouraged Hasheem to speak to Willie Maley, the Celtic manager.
Hasheem told him: “A great player from India has come by ship. Will you please take a trial of his? But there is a slight problem. Salim plays in bare feet.”
Maley laughed, the idea of a bare-footed amateur from India competing against Scottish professionals was difficult to believe. But Hasheem was persistent and the Celtic manager agreed to give him a trial. Salim was asked to demonstrate his skill before 1,000 club members and three registered coaches.
Salim’s ability, even in bare feet, astonished them. They decided to play him in a match against Hamilton. Besides being a skilful winger, Salim also became famous for playing the game in bandaged bare feet instead of the customary football boots. On his debut in 1937, Salim helped Celtic win 5-1 against Galston and then another game which Celtic won 7-0 against Hamilton Accies. As both of these games were friendlies, he is not recorded to have played.[2] The press were excited about his skills and called him “The Indian Juggler” with headlines such as “Ten Twinkling Toes of Indian Salim hypnotized the crowd at Parkhead.”
However he started to get homesick. But Celtic were determined to keep him in their squad. In order to persuade him to stay, they organised a charity match and promised him 5% of the total proceed. But Salim refused and asked the money (£1,800; not a small sum at that time) to be donated to orphans. In the end, Celtic couldn’t persuade him to stay and he went back to the Indian subcontinent to play for the Mohammedan Sporting Club.
The following is an excerpt from an article in the Glasgow Observer of 5 September 1936 and describes what is said to be Salim’s debut in a Celtic strip, a 7-1 win over Galston. This part article appeared in the Celtic View some time around the late 1980s. “Abdul Salim, Celtic’s Indian International trialist, tickled the crowd at Celtic Park on Friday with his magnificent ball manipulation. In his bare feet he was a conspicuous figure but this was further emphasised by his dark skin against the white and green of the Celtic strip. His play was top class. Every ball he touched went exactly to the place he wanted it to. Not one inch was it out. His crosses into goal were simply shrieking to be nodded into the net. I wouldn’t like to have calculated the score had McGrory been playing ….. Dawson missed a penalty kick which Salim, despite the invitation of Alex Miller, refused to take.”
wiki CSC
The MSM cheerleaders for the establishment’s favourite zombie club will be doing overtime on their post apocalyptic revisionist plots…hoping to inaugurate a whole new generation into a permanent Fugue State over this whole corrupt debacle…if of course they survive it.
How ironical and fitting will it be if the huns cheating is double underlined with a verdict and announcement on 20th November, and record books rewritten accordingly. As the news filters through to the Bhoys in Lisbon, I’d imagine a whole range of emotions will be felt.
Its almost like it was meant to be…
HH
Andrew Smith having a ball during live debate at the Scotsman
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13:36
I understand there is the 3-0 defeat job, but looking at the situation retrospectively, I don’t think that would be possible. The stripping of titles is the obvious sanction.
13:36
Comment From BillyBhoy
I agree wholeheartedly with your reply, Andrew. No smoke without fire ans all that. However, Ally himself was adamant he would not tolerate anyone taking Rangers’ titles away and seemed angry at the mere suggestion it could happen. I think on a matter of principle alone, he just might consider walking away , if that indeed was the outcome. Anyway, thanks for your replies.
13:37
You may well be right. It could afford him a diplomatic withdrawal….Excuse my cycnicism.
13:37
Comment From Jon
Good, succinct, answer. Would officials at the SPL/SFA have known about these non-declared sums?
13:38
The officials that were also officials with Rangers might have been expected to know about them. Yet, Campbell Oglivie claims because the scheme was run by the Murray Group, people even at his pay grade who were Rangers employees didn’t know. How much does anyone at Hearts know about the manner in which Hearts players are paid, I would put out there.
13:38
Comment From Guest
how can they be non declared, they where in company accounts for years
13:42
It said in the accounts: EBTS – £6m. That is not a declaration to football authorities. or tax authorities. You need to declare them to both bodies beyond a line in the accounts. I hear some weak defences for Rangers, this is perhaps the weakest. It was so unclear what EBTs were as listed in the accounts that a member of the Rangers Supporters Trust asked at the agm of 2006, I believe, what the heck they were? He was told they were benefits for the families of players. Hmm. It didn’t declare in the accounts it was player who had EBTs. These could easily have been for directors. They were, in fact, but a declaration does not take the form of a line in the accounts, certainly not.
13:42
Comment From Jon
They have to be declared in the players’ contract and registrations.
13:46
Comment From Guest
I agree that if guilty there should be punishment however, I also think that there was no attempt by Rangers to hide these trust payments from the SPL/SFA so questions must be asked as why it has taken 12 years from inception to start asking questions!
13:51
I’m sorry, but they did. If there had been no attempt to hide these payments they letters of intent, contracts by another name, would have been slipped in to the player contracts they lodges with the SFA. Why weren’t they? Because Rangers knew if they were, these would be taken as the payments they were and so they would pay tax on them. Rangers hid these letters of intent from all, but stupidly kept them in the filing cabinets that were raided by the Revnue in 2008 when investigating the Jean-Alain Bousmong transfer. The jig was up then and there was Rangers’ entire tax affairs, and the Ibrox club. Esssentially, at that point Rangers contracts a terminal disease. They may not have died from it, but that is often the way with such diseases. What happens is the body becomes so immuno-compromised, anything can take it out. Craig Whyte, then, was a bad dose of the flu.
13:51
Comment From Guest
Were the side-letters to agents, confirming that these EBTs were effctively part of the players’ wages ever declared to the sfa/spl?If not, then the sfa/spl would presume the EBTs were just any normal business expense like a free canteen
13:53
Exactly, they were to agents because agents would accept the nod and the wink basis that allowed EBTs to work in the business they were used in. No paperwork, no regular sums, and hey presto, you can fiddel the tax. Rangers had eh, paperwork, and eh, regular sums, and hey presto, the tax man was on to them.
13:53
Comment From Guest
If Rangers have submitted the EBTs to the SFA and SPL and although may have broken the rules on a technicality … are the SPL not culpable for allowing it for over 10 years and does it rule the SPL as nil and void over the same period?
13:55
No, they didn’t submit the EBTS to SPL and SFL. If they did, they are in the clear, as far as registration rules are concerned. Have you heard any Rangers official past or present suggest they are not guilty as regards the player registration rules? No, you haven’t. They moan about the process, the kangaroo courts, the agenda, but they do not defend themselves against the charge that players were not properly registered, as regards the football rules.
13:55
Comment From 9NRO
If Rangers have broken the rules on a technicality … do you think that stripping titles is the proper punishment? We are talking about a technicality here … I don’t …
13:57
It isn’t a technicality. They deliberately didn’t register their players as the rules dictate because to do so would leave them open to £24m worth of tax they were attempting to avoid paying. This is no technicality. It was a dodge they administered disastrously because they got greedy about how much they could save.
13:57
Comment From Jon
A technicality?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:57
Comment From Guest
I’m pretty sure also that if Rangers hadn’t hit the skids then we wouldn’t be discussing it here because Scottish Football would not have dared risk a straight fight with a healthy Rangers.
13:57
Oh, give us strength.
13:57
Comment From 9NRO
Is the SPL dead in the water? Is the SFL now the only credible body suitable for running the game?
13:59
No. The SFL were part of the fudge to let Rangers start again in the First, the most ehtically dubious suggestion in the whole saga, I would suggest. They may even have helped author that plan. None of the governing bodies covered themselves in glory in the summer. The clubs got their in the end with the just settlement…but only because their supporters didn’t want the economics to trump the ethics.
14:00
Comment From SevCo
McCoist is desperate to get away from Ibrox – he must bitterly regret the ‘we don’t do walking away’ quote, because that is the only thing that is keeping him there. He must be hoping that some titles are taken away so he can then ‘walk away’ in mock outrage and get on with the rest of his life.
14:00
I don’t know how you are so well informed.
14:00
Comment From Jon
Jim Farry (lol) would not have stood for a “technicality”!
14:00
Comment From 9NRO
Why have the SFA and SPL already decided that a breach of the rules on a technicality around Employment benefits equals the stripping of titles as was included in the draft made public this week?
14:05
Where is this “technicality” argument coming from? See above. It was systematic rule breaking to avoid paying tax, as the tribunal ruling will demonstrate.
I thinm what the SFA and SPL attempted was plea bargaining. They effectively said to Rangers ‘now, unless you have any defence for this we haven’t seen, just accept this and we can use your guilty as a cover for putting you in the First Division’. Plea bargains are standard in US courts. The SFA and SPL broke no rules in wanting a new Rangers in the SPL, and First Division. They were looking at it from the economics, not in terms of what was right and proper in the sense of a just settlement. They wanted it all to go away and this draft document was one way they saw of dealing with it all as a oner and moving on. Don’t forget though, the five-way agreement also existed in terms of Rangers entering the Third Division. Rangers refused to accept, so the SPL reserved the right to go the commssion route.
14:05
Comment From 9NRO
It is a technicality on each individual contract that may have breached the registration … the EBTs were never kept secret …
14:08
You show me evidence that Rangers lodged with the SPL aor SFA about payments outside of their normal contracts.
Companies register their ofices in tax havens. They don’t make these havens secret. Yet, it sometimes later turns out that their use of certain havens for certain arrangements are illegal. HMRC catch up with them. They don’t say ‘ah, you said you were using the Virgin Islands so we should have known you were laundering money’. That is preposterous
14:08
Comment From mark
mr green has made a great deal of rangers being in the strongest financial position next season do you have any idea how much it will cost to run ibrox & murray park including staff and players wages as well as running costs, is there enough from season tickets an reduced media income or will extra investment be neede
14:09
They are supposed to be up on the deal, with more than enough income to cover all costs, and leave a bit to spare. Their income is understood to be £12m, player costs are £5mm, with other costs. £2m to £3m. So I have heard.
14:09
Comment From Guest
It’s true – for how long has the EBT issue been in the public domain with the ongong tax demand and tribunal? What, at least two years now? No mention of stripping titles prior to February the 14th – complete silence from the SPL and not even a hint of it.
14:12
Doncaster said it wasn’t appropriate to do so while the tribunal was on-going. That would have meant the SPL pre-judging that the letters of intent were contracts, as the tribunal is about to find, it seems. I think the SPL believed Rangers bluster about how they would get a favourably judgement in their appeal against the £24m tax demand from HMRC. Now, though, everyone is seeing the trbiunal for what it is, and Rangers tax affairs for what they are.
14:12
Comment From 9NRO
The SFA and SPL were the iones wanting Rangers in Div 1 and the SFL objected … come on stick with the facts and the truth …
14:14
No, the SFL heirarchy – or certain members of it – hacthed the plan with executives of the SPL and SFA. They were all in it together. That is the fact. Jim Ballantyne and David Longmuir wanted Rangers in the First Division. I know that for an absolute fact. Again they looked at the financial imperative. Their members told them otherwise. Is the truth so difficult?
14:14
Comment From Eric Watcher
We keep hearing the doom and gloom and endless ‘cant do this, cant do that’ with regard to stripping titles. The title stripping is but one of many ‘OPTIONS’ available. Obviously this is the one that is getting the backs of the mighty ‘Newcos’ up but what are the other options available. suspension, expulsion, the death penalty?. There must be lots more that would literally kill off this new company and stripping what they stripped from everyone else is surely the least painful (survival wise)
14:15
I agree. I don’t know why the titles stripping causing such frenzy when there are sterner punishments
14:15
Comment From 9NRO
The SFL refused to be blackmailed by the SFA and SPL that obviously look like they are working together against Rangers … they both even used the same folk on the panel … the same panel that introduced illegal signing embargo against Rangers that they then forced upon Rangers for entry into the SFL … pretty shocking set up indeed …
14:16
See above.
14:16
Comment From 9NRO
If Rangers get stripped of titles from the near inception of the SPL and the authorities knew that EBTs existed then the SPL and SFA are a busted flush … Rangers and the SFL are stronger than the incompetent unfit for purpose SFA and SOPL put together … Rangers will be around when they are long gone …
14:18
Rangers said they operated an EBT scheme. The tax authorities believe they did nothing of the sort and the tribunal next month will likely agree. If Rangers had given their players discretionary loans, they would have no issues now. They would still be in the SPL, because someone other than a shyster like Craig Whyte would have bought them. What don’t you understand. Rangers completely arsed up a supposed EBT scheme by getting greedy and sloppy about how you do the fiddle. Can you get any of this?
14:19
Comment From Player1
If side letters had not been issued, would Rangers still be guilty of improper registrations? And if so then surely, with the SPL rules on player registrations, it would be impossible to run an EBT scheme under SPL rules. Given that it was a matter of public record as far back as 2006, and long before if you bothered to read the accounts, why did the SPL allow Rangers to continue using the scheme until it was shut down by HMRC.
14:22
See above. Because the scheme is about given loans out on a discretionary basis. The side letters were the smoking gun that proved Rangers didn’t give players loans on a discretionary basis. Why is this so hard to understand? People fiddel
BB:
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I believe their strategy was, as they could see the brown stuff hitting the propellors, that selling the club to Whytie for a nugget was a bon idée and that he’d take the flak when HMS Rankers hit the iceberg. They knew they’d then have carte blanche to resurface with impunity on the back of favourable and fawning presstitutes (Jabba to the fore and Cheeko bringing up the rear), and they could brazen it out until they are where they are now, the self proclaimed “richest club in Scotland & debt free” ; having successfully ripped off their creditors, kept their most important assets, and their zombie legions promising mayhem should they be called to account for this massive swindle.
So, now they stand, waiting, in a Mexican stand-off with the authorities and the Law, daring whomever to punish or impugn them in any way.
For they are relying on their fear factor to intimidate all who would deny them their ‘right’ to be as they are. ” Do what Thou wilt Shall be The whole of The Law” is their mindset. They are like a vision of Crowley’s made flesh.
So…when in 2009/10 they saw the future bearing down on them they went kamikaze and they do not care if they take the entre edifice down with them. Just so long as they can keep their ill gotten gains, repay no one and march the streets chanting, ” W.A.T.P! ”
Shortsighted maybe. But then,zombies don’t really do the long game thing.
HH.
south of tunis
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That recipe plays like suicide in a glass.
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thomthethim – My fault, I don’t detect sarcasm unless I’m concentrating :) (thumbsup)
Perhaps Mr. 9NRO should concentrate on researching a new moniker as his may soon be redundant. Of course, he could always convert to Timism, then he could keep it.
should not be Mr 9NROII
Andrew Smith seems to have a perfect grasp on the situation.
Has he been kept under instructions all this time and only now being let off the leash.
Is the MSM realigning?
Are they preparing for post Armaggedon?
Apocalypse roon the corner?
While I wait for the sfa to say something, anything, of real merit or relevance, I notice in my traipsing ’round the web that we in this ConDemNation have gone from “education x3” to the “incarceration for all” as a profit making machine they have slavishly copied from that bastion of imaginary freedom, the bloated and deluded Ooo Ess Aaa.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/25/a4e-prison-contracts-delayed-anti-fraud?newsfeed=true
philvisreturns
14:32 on 25 September, 2012
thomthethim – My fault, I don’t detect sarcasm unless I’m concentrating :) (thumbsup)
*****
Well, concentrate, boy!! :>)
Thomthethim was that your young fhella interviewing Jim McGuinness?
Very fine work, if it was, and a fine-looking bhoy he is too.
Well done to Andrew Smith, the only Scottish Journo I know of who has stated quite clearly, what rangers did and why they did it. AVOID TAX!
Reading the stupid huns comments was painful right enough…
There is a very real sense that the tidal wave is on its way and then we will have the aftershocks to come too.
What a year it’s been, and it’s only September
NextGenSeries announces a 4 year deal with ESPN.
Marvin Hinton,stylish defender for Charlton Athletic and Chelsea back in the ’60s…..
Was famous for his non-regulation footwear….
In the ‘Topical Times Football Annual’ ,1963-64 edition…..
He is pictured wearing a ‘racy’ all-white pair,clearly modelled on the Polaris Submarines of the day….
His cousin played for Arsenal,in the same era….
Celtic_First
14:59 on 25 September, 2012
Thomthethim was that your young fhella interviewing Jim McGuinness?
Very fine work, if it was, and a fine-looking bhoy he is too.
******
Yes and yes, he follows his mother’s side of the family.
Thanks.
Big thrill for him, as he usually covers the soccer and another lad does the GAA.
OG
You hearing anything specific, or just inferring imminence from the rash of rashness lately?
Fat Sally demands to know why windows on aeroplane’s don’t open.
I could go a rashness of bacon, on a piece with HP sauce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvtu_9D9Nt8&feature=share
the boy in white could maybe do us a turn
Picture it- like something out of a Pieter Breugel collage from the “Wedding Dance” or more appropriately “The Blind leading the Blind”- somewhere in Kkkinning Park and its leafy blood stained environs:
About a year ago I was waiting for a bus on Paisley Rd West to Battlefield with one of the pubs booming with an assortment of tribal canzonettas- a number of them are standing outside smoking, occasionally spitting, smoking some more and laughing like gravel scraping down a drainpipe. The sinister atmosphere is thick with heavy malevolence. A querulous looking yob-slob with shaven head and wearing the NTL orange strip began to grunt out obscenities like machine gun fire. He was a pug faced neanderthal with the slack jaw hanging loosely, an elephantine petted lip drooping like a pound of spam…behind him, in the pub a Planet of Hate was forming with the hordes working up their own brand of demonology- evoking, summoning, conjuring up some shared racial event that defined their identity, an identity firmly rooted in opposition, as though possessed by the spirit of the Boyne.
And this neanderthal with the orange strip seemed to possess some sort of antennae that informed him that a Tim was in close proximity. The constant stares at the bus stop, a sniffing of the air and the circumference of the neanderthal’s prowl area increasing until it began to encroach directly upon my bus stop. All I could think of was my green adidas trainers- the hair seemed to liberally sprout out of every ugly crevice of his sweaty hirsuted protuberance…the union jack shorts, tattoos all over the neck, bashed nose lying half way across the pug face, and the shaved eyebrows…the orange strip must have been a reconfigured parachute in order to accommodate the unmanageable corpulence of his ever swelling burger fed body…he was getting closer and then some guy smoking at the entrance of the pub shouted across: “Bongo! Bongo ma man…is it true yae kin drink fur 48 owers solid wiffoot sleep?!”
Bongo glowed with vainglory as he considered his innate capacity to absorb obscene levels of alcohol into the cellular immensity of his rotund frame… taking pride in his ignorance, like stupidity was some bold achievement…and then my bus came just in time before the fireworks had any chance of being set off…I don’t know if I just exaggerated the menace in the air and maybe it was the fact I was a Tim that made me feel uneasy, but safe to say I won’t be stuck in such a situation again in said area of the city. Certainly I wouldn’t put myself in such a situation outside a pub in Bridgeton. I always feel vulnerable in such a scenario. They have some unerring talent for immediately sensing that you are a Tim. But I was taken aback at how in your face it was that night…the Clachan I think the pub might have been…
Is Andrew Smith of the Scotsman the same Andrew Smith who was editor of the Celtic View during the ‘reign’ of the Kellys and Whites?
HH!!
The Battered Bunnet, 15:19
The latter.
The volume has been turned up as more and more have their say – and what they have to say as well.
Johnston admitting a “breach of procedure”… how they move ever closer to the edge… and how the roar of the falls grows ever louder
Can anyone tell me what the score is for getting seats for the Camp Nou if you don’t get them from Celtic? They are on sale on the Barca web site and my brother got one in a sports shop in the Ramblas last time he was there.
Hail Hail
Pat
BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Stevie Murray.
Just before Alan Ball.
TOPICALTIMESCSC
Tallybhoy-Yes.
Pat – been twice and never had a problem.
Going this time and fully expect to get one easily enough, probably at the ground off of a local student who buy them and add 10 euros to the cost to you.
Cheers OG.
DBBIA Presumably Rashness is the quality provided by a Rasher – one who Rashes – whereupon following a good Rashing, one can be said to be quite Rashed. Is that a little rash? If so, can you recommend some Embrocation?
Bom dia,
Not been on for awhile – mainly due to taking the Familia skorrie back to God’s County (that’d be Caithness to the non believers) for the annual pilgrimage. And very nice it was too.
Anyway, back in Rio now and was intrigued by the latest Botafogo attempt to generate cash to pay Clarence Seedorf’s wages. In last Sunday’s game they all wore shirts which, instead of having the player’s name emblazened accross the shoulders, had the name of a fan who’d been drawn from a special contest.
Can you imagine the fun that could be had if the Sevcorians adopted something similar and it was hijacked much in the same way as their recent Fighting Fund scheme ??
Elsewhere, papers here saying that Romulo’s injury will rule him out of for the rest of the year.
Possibly a rasher that’s been smoked,just like the huns.
Tallybhoy 15:34
Your post would be better suited to FF. They like to deal in the ‘Unseen Fenian Hand’ nonsense.