It doesn’t really matter to me how other people write their own history. If Queens Park claim to be the same Club as the Queen of Clubs, they are welcome to, as long as they respectfully allow me to express scepticism. Fortunately, Queens Park’s business model is not dependent on making such an outlandish claim.
A whole lot of nonsense has been written on the subject of a recently liquidated football club, “it was the holding company that was liquidated”, when it wasn’t actually a holding company, and then we have claims about advice from a “panel of the London Stock Exchange”, which was quickly withdrawn.
We are asked to believe that a football club cannot go out of business. It’s an interesting thought, not one I subscribe to, but interesting nonetheless. If you are happy with this belief, fair play to you, it doesn’t matter what anyone else believes.
I’ve met Jim Spence. He’s a guy who emerged from the Dundee Untied fanzine world and established a reputable career in the game. His affinity for United has never been hidden, nor should it be. United, as all clubs, have gone through periods of turmoil but Jim has called things as he has seen them, with his own club, and with others.
This week Jim made a comment about a football club which went into liquidation. It was more tempered than comments made by a former manager and director of the liquidated club, by the chief executive of its successor club, by all the contemporary newspaper coverage, and by the successor club’s current head of PR. Despite this, Jim has been on the receiving end of a sustained campaign by the thought police.
Jim may privately think what those at the successor club once said, but if he also wants to express those thoughts, the consequences can be acute.
He’s not alone. I know others in the media who have told me straight that they are not prepared to touch the Newco/Sameco subject, the resultant hassle is not what they got into journalism for.
Charlotte Fakes has given us a glimpse into how powerful people can manipulate and control Scotland. It has given reason to pause ahead of next year’s big decisions. The BBC and only the BBC are strong enough to stand up against bullying, you can forget the commercial media for one simple reason, this subject is the equivalent of commercial self-harm.
It wouldn’t seem like the weekend without Rangers International writing about going legal on someone or other, although I suspect they’ll be content having played to the gallery with this one and not trouble the BBC, but questions remain for the BBC, no matter what happens next.
I consume enormous volumes of BBC output every month, it is my first port of call for news, and often my last. It is one of the best aspects of British life, but if it can be intimidated like the commercial media, there is no point in it existing in the first place.
Fortify your journalists or shut the doors.
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Just watched the shaktar karagandy game again and still get a buzz seeing commons sammy and jamsie bursting the net what a game bring on barca Milan and Ajax, we fear no one HH
16 roads – Wee Oscar the Celtic warrior.
14:25 on 7 September, 2013
‘the rant.’
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You got that bit right.
Steinreignedsupreme-He is being hung out to dry ,because his colleagues have pedalled the hun lie about being the “same club”.The more the huns make a noise about this, the more the BBC is being boxed in to a corner they don’t want to go in to.They must support their man,who is being persecuted for telling the truth.HH
From the one man sevco borrd meetig fallout seen this on TSFM
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What is a Deed of Novation?
In: Deeds and Ownership [Edit categories]
Answer:
A Deed of Novation is used where one party transfers its rights and obligations under a contract to another party. A novation usually happens when the seller of a business transfers the contracts with his customers to the buyer. The consent of all three parties – the transferee, the transferor and the other contracting party – is required to effect the novation.
I’ve copied the above from WikiAnswers. If the answer is accurate, then it would seem that there must have been at least 3 copies of the original deed, one for Sevco Scotland, one for D&P, and one for Sevco588. And that excludes solicitors’ copies. So to me it beggars belief that the original deed couldn’t be found. To me that means that there was no deed of novation. Which is really good news for Craig Whyte, whose c;laim that the switch of the acquisition to Sevco Scotland was invalid is suddenly looking pretty strong.
And shouldn’t a deed be properly witnessed to be valid? I’ve always thought so, but maybe some legal expert can help on that one.
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Basically Chuckles had a meeting and decided to change Craig Whytes ownership to him (IMHO things has a long way to run over at the gift that keeps giving.
Till later all
ps A wee belated shout out to the staff at Wishaw Gen who looked after me so well yesterday.
even got coffee & biscuits :))
Thanks Ernie.
:)
ernie lynch:
My father never went to a Huns game in his life, one of my brothers is to date the same. My other brother would never step foot in Ibrox. I’d go anywhere to see the Celtic. Given the opportunity I’d be there; and especially so against the huns. Not for bigoted or hateful reasons, just so I could watch my team beat our biggest rivals.
Remember one thing Ernie, to date I think I’m the only Tim on here that has said I would have the huns back. (with caveats of course).
Hate begets hate if the latter is weaker than hate.
hun skelper
I still got nervous when they got that free kick in the 94th min
canny explain itcsc :))
Has there been any update on the numbers of signatures on Canamalar’s petition ?
Is the magical 100 in sight ?
Anybody ?
And sorry Ernie, I agree with you, I am much more concerned with what Celtic do and say than I ever bother to wonder what the huns are doing or saying.
The truth is out there, but they can’t handle the truth!
Summa-It’s a good article but-“I have considerable sympathy for journalists such as Peter Smith and Richard Wilson at the Glasgow Herald, honest hard working journalists whose job is made a whole lot more difficult in view of the press shutters at Ibrox being firmly shut.”
Wilson is as bad as any Lapdog telling the “same club” lie.
Did anyone see the boy Pilkington that came on for the Republic last night looked like a mix of David Beckam & a muskateer.
fancy facial haircsc
till later this time (honest)
i’m neil lennon (tamrabam)
14:25 on 7 September, 2013
The Deady Bears, makes me smile very time I hear it:-)
Astor
They cant go back to somewhere they aint been before
The mob can go back to celtic park… but the team they now follow cannot as that would be the first time the rangers would play there
Paul67
That was an outstanding piece of writing. The BBC has no where to run with this one as your last paragraph succinctly sums up, thank you.
BSR
re last Saturday evening; i eventually got the wee Senga joke but i was on the planet Bevvied and the brain was eh, zombified (and no I’m no) to reply. Nonetheless, thanks for making me laugh
Exactly TBJ, Rangers might have died, but the huns are alive and very much kicking.
Big Nan, petition signed and shared.
Jim Spence will not be sacked over this…he is extremely well liked by his colleagues at PQ…he is great company and is straight as an arrow…unfortunately, the same cannot be said about some of his desk mates…they will not rock the boat lest they fall out of their ‘comfort zone’ seats…it’s one thing the corporation being banned from bigotbrox, another if an individual has the door closed on him…he will be made to feel like an outcast and a leper, unlike Keevins at CP who seems to enjoy and makes a meal of his ban…anyway, standing up for Jim Spence…
Monaghan1900
14:17 on 7 September, 2013
Big Nan
14:08 on
7 September, 2013
Had look at something called “The Surname Database” and found this:
“Recorded in several spellings including Monaghan, Monahan, Minihan, sometimes as Minogue and Monk, but more correctly O’Monahan, this is an Irish surname of great antiquity. It derives from the pre 10th century Gaelic word ‘manachain’ meaning a monk, and hence the use of the English spelling and surname of Monk from time to time.”
Would never have occurred to me.
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It wouldn’t have occured to me but speaking to a kinswoman of yours the fact/theory? was pointed out by her. Although it is by no means universally accepted.
Edward McLysart in “More Irish Families”, 1960 at Page 180 comments:
“The name [Minogue] belongs primarily to East Clare. The townland Ballyminogue in the parish of Tuamgraney marks the centre of its present location. It is to be found also on the other side of Lough Derg, in the Barony of Lower Ormond, where several families were resident when the 1659 Census was taken.
The Bishop of Leighlin who died in 1050, Cierihen O’ Muineoc, described in “The Annals of Loch Ce” as a “Tower of the Piety of Erin”, was perhaps of this sept, though Leighlin is far from Clare, but nearer home was Walter O’ Mynok, as he is called in the record of a trial in 1313, acquitted of a charge of stealing cattle near Limerick.
In modern Irish the name is O’Muineog. O’Muineog according to Woulfe, is a diminutive of Manach, a monk, and this derivation, though not generally accepted, would seem to be corroborated by the fact that Monaghan, and Mannix, both similarly derived, are recorded by Matheson as synonyms of Minogue. However from my own intimate knowledge of the district from which they are reported I would say that Monaghan is very rare if not unknown in East Clare. I know of just one Mannix.
In Offaly, O’Muineog is anglicised Minnock and as such is found there in small numbers today.”
So there you have the Minogue/Monaghan position according to McLysacht who was Chairman of the Irish Manuscript Committee and formerly Chief Herald of Ireland.
Wonder if he would sign my petition?
H.H.
A stor
I love doing the zombie walk at them. And with my new champions league ringtone… a big smile on my face
Marrakesh Express
14:26 on
7 September, 2013
Excellent post
The SFA are a disgrace in relation to how they dealt with the whole process of Rangers administration then into Liquidation, We all know why! no further explanations required, EUFA are hiding behind this as a matter entirely for the national association to sort out, as you say it is a cowardly cop out, EUFA know all there is to know in reference to the Govanites, i agree completely they should and need to step in to resolve some important issues, unfortunately there is no mechanism to make them rule honestly and comprehensively.
Big Nan
14:47 on
7 September, 2013
Wonder if he would sign my petition?
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Every possibility that McLysacht would – Cierihen O’Muineoc would be a bit more ambitious!
HH
Big Nan… more chance of getting kylie or danni…
Funniest thing ever on YouTube….sheer class….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqtqVfdQ0dg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvqtqVfdQ0dg&nomobile=1
Kikinthenakas
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AStor..
Remember one thing Ernie, to date I think I’m the only Tim on here that has said I would have the huns back. (with caveats of course).
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Oh No Your Not..!!
Don’t Shout back..
Oh Yes l Am..!!
Summa of PantoCSC
tinytim
14:18 on 7 September, 2013
I’m afraid they’re anything but united …..l rm hate ff, and vice versa……!!!!
Monaghan, Walter O’ Mynok sounds like my kind of guy and if he were here I am sure he would.
desertbhoy, Kylie is all right, but I am not so sure about that sister of hers!
TinyTim @ 14:18
I got quite emotional reading your post.
One of my best friends keeps saying that the only thing that can stop Celtic’s total domination of Scottish football for decades is Celtic fans.
!!Bada Bing!! 14:28 on 7 September, 2013
“He is being hung out to dry ,because his colleagues have pedalled the hun lie about being the “same club”.The more the huns make a noise about this, the more the BBC is being boxed in to a corner they don’t want to go in to.They must support their man,who is being persecuted for telling the truth.HH”
The reality of the situation is everyone is becoming fed up with these dimwits – who have no capacity for learning from previous mistakes. They act aggressively because they think that will change the facts. It’s like when someone losing a debate starts shouting because they think that will make a difference. It doesn’t.
These are the same people who defended Craig Whyte and Charles Green with when the rest of us could see they were shysters – and then turned against them when it was too late to do anything about it.
Yet they don’t hound Myth – the man who is on record as saying he “wishes the new club well.” The non-executive director who didn’t bother turning up to meetings.
Jim Spence has nothing to worry about here. Nothing at all.
Write to the BBC in support of a man telling the truth. Simple support is often the best.
TBJ:
The way they (the huns) see it, is they got to ditch all their toxic debt and they are working their way back up the leagues (leagues they should never have been allowed to be playing in yet) and doing so with the second most expensive squad in Scotland. (Ignore for the moment their cash flow problems, the street huns do). The stupidity of the huns is empirical in how they mock your zombie walk by doing their own zombie walk parody (I could link them doing it but I just can’t be fecked digging it out.
The average huns problem is he just wants to support his team; I have empathy with that. Where I get my own nose out of joint, well that is the lengths that the authorities and the media will whore themselves to, to accommodate a club, and its bastard child, that was/is, not playing by the rules, countered by the deafening silence of a nation.
So if the Celtic Football Club, in silence and lack of protest, condone what is going on, why would any board loving Celtic Supporter not wish to tag along with the official, ‘look the other way’ doctrine of the Club?
Now happy clappers, besides me, ought to take a wee moment or two, to think about that, before they boycott the next Celtic v The Rangers game.
Travelling in a fried-out combie
On a hippie trail,head full of zombie
Quite an interesting discussion re what Celtic would print on tickets should Sevco FC ever have the privilege to play at CP for the 1st time?
I for one would be very p’d off if the tickets / programs stated Celtic FC V Rangers FC rather than the correct Celtic FC V THE Rangers FC. I am sure I wouldn’t be alone in this either. For good measure i’d be tempted to put the establishment dates of the clubs along side their names Celtic FC est 1888 V The Rangers FC est 2012.
Kilbowie Kelt @ 14:31
Has there been any update on the numbers of signatures on Canamalar’s petition ?
Is the magical 100 in sight ?
Anybody ?
_____________________________________________________________________
He is slowly making his way towards having enough to table the resolution. However time is running out and he may end just short. So, if you or anyone you know has shares and have not get returned a signed scanned resolution. Please do it today.
http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=433
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AStor..Ernie..
It’s Like this..
After the Stadium was Rebuilt..The First Old Firm Game was what 62,000
The Next Time we Play Rangers it will be What 61,389 or there about..
I Would say that of the Say 55,000 Season ticket holders for the Stadium reopening there are between 18,000 to 22,000 Still going week in week out..Some home and away..Some that Never go to Away games..
So for every 2 Great Big Tims Ernie mentions who have Stopped going (Ernie will Supply their reason to Suit his Argument)..There are New Supporters flocking to Celtic park every week..
l have Heard Ernies Story a Hundred times on Here..Just like we hear of New Fans just as Much..
Its the Cycle of Life..
I’ll No be Back..If..I’ll No Go..If..
We Will still have a Full Stadium..Just Like Tomorrow..
Oh and Ps..Have You ever heard anyone on here say..I Won’t be Back to the Champions league games..Or a Cup Final..
Na..Didnae think So..
Summa
Summa:
I do remember you saying you’d have them back, the caveats parts escapes my memory though. However, I know your an honest man and if you said you did, then that is good enough for me; I stand corrected. There was never one, there were two of us.
leftclicktic oscar in our thoughts
14:30 on 7 September, 2013
hun skelper
I still got nervous when they got that free kick in the 94th min
canny explain itcsc :))
Haha me to jumped of the chair when FF caught it HH
I have some sad news to relate today.
My brother, Miki67, passed away earlier this week (on Tuesday); it was a comfort that this happened peacefully, at home (he had struggled for a long time against cancer, and been in and out of hospital over the past few months). He leaves behind his wonderful wife Viv, and a community of friends who have been a great support during this difficult time.
Part of that community is certainly the Celtic family, and CQN. I know there are a few people on here who got to know Michael well. He had a lot of fun posting on here and I know he enjoyed debating on any number of topics over time. He also managed to make it along to a good few games in Paradise, always enjoyed immensely (we won every time !)
The funeral arrangements have just been confirmed; both the service, and a gathering afterwards, are open to all who wish to attend. The service is at Wimborne Woodland Burials, on Monday 16th September at 12pm, and then gathering at The Horns Inn afterwards (a short walk from the grounds), from around 1pm onwards.
I would also like to mention the support provided by the NHS, and the associated care groups involved, most notably Macmillan Cancer Support. They are all truly wonderful people who give so much, and made Michael as comfortable as possible, enabling him to be fully cared for, and supported, at home.
If anyone would like to send a separate message then I understand you can obtain my email address from Paul67. (assume that’s OK Paul).
All the best,
Larrybhoy