At the front of Celtic Park on Saturday a statue will be unveiled to our greatest ever captain, Billy McNeill. Billy joins our founder, Bro. Walfrid, our greatest ever manager, Jock Stein, and our greatest player, Jimmy Johnstone, in being honoured in this way.
Achievers of this calibre are so rare I cannot imagine the circumstances under which another candidate for a statue will emerge. Even if we go on at some point in the future to win the Champions League, it will be nothing like what Billy and his team did. Modern European champions are the distillation of global scouting, money and big business. They don’t take the bus from the town they were born into training for years at the club they will collectively bring to the summit.
Without being distracted by contemporary issues, I have hope for the future, and for Celtic, but on Saturday we will peer through a telescope that looks back 128 years. Billy McNeill encapsulates the values and traditions which founded and nurtured Celtic throughout this period. Not only that, he is the man who led the team (in every sense of the word) to one of the most incredible sporting achievements in football history.
Get to the game early and be there for Billy. Be there for yourself. Our memories of Saturday will last. We’ll recall the first time we saw his statue, and that we were there to share his smile on the day.
Get your friends along. Bring the kids. Tell them who he is and what he did. You or they will never again get a chance to honour Willie Maley, Jimmy McGrory, Jock Stein or Jimmy Johnstone, but you can be there to share an important occasion with Billy McNeill. That, my friends, will be a precious moment.
On Thursday morning, near Shawfield, Glasgow the Caring City are loading their latest batch of aid bound for migrants camped in Serbia. Much needed winter clothes are being shipped. They are looking for four volunteers to help load the container. Starting at 9:00 they should finish by 11:00.
It will be physical work but they are offering tea and rolls in compensation. If you can make it along to help these great people with such a worthy cause, email Ross Galbriath, ross@glasgowthecaringcity.com and let him know. I bet you also get something out of the experience you’re not expecting.
Thanks.
Stocking fillers, books, DVDs and all sorts of wonders (actually, just books and DVDs, but they are great) are available at the CQN Bookstore.
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Whit happened to WITS?
Happy Birthday SOAL
Have a great day :)
HH
Just because your paranoid, disney mean they’re no out to get you
I’m getting a bit of deja vu here. Wasn’t Milne one of the chairman that initially came out in favour of Sevco being kept in the SPL only to have the fans rise up against it and everybody make the right decision? Maybe the all draw straws to see who puts themselves in the firing line, in order to actually get a fan reaction.
Seriously though following his statement I reach two conclusions:
1) he knows nothing about his own fans, who lets face it aren’t really best buds with the Orcs;
2) I think DK has alerted somebody that admin is a possibility and therefore promotion is threatened.
Do these chairman not realise that many (if not all) of us are interested in football as a sport (in general terms) and in some respects the fact that we follow a specific team is secondary. I think they view it in terms of WWE – it’s just entertainment.
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 16TH DECEMBER 2015 7:27 AM
I have every faith in the resolution bhoys but none in our own CEO and board who are feathering their nests whilst our fans are ridiculed as being obsessed and treated like second class citizens by police Scotland Sunday being another example when 1 copper decides to go into the kids whilst the orcs throw bottles and coins at Morton fans( nothing to do with our board other than the difference in treatment)
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I made a response to a specific allegation :
“KevJungle hurting Tim – CSC ….dont be duped by the silence…Celtic’s board are in bed with the ‘silent’ colluding establishment…. ”
I don`t live in Scotland but,like you,would be outraged at the situation you describe ,having lived through similar blatant examples of preferential treatment.
Do you seriously imagine that any action taken by the Celtic Board would change in any way the behaviour of police Scotland?
What does this have to do with Celtic ?
“orcs throw bottles and coins at Morton fans”
Is that not a matter for the Morton Board?
What have they done about it?
Surely,that`s the question you should be asking?
Don’t know what all the fuss is about Billy McNeill. I saved a penalty against him at Butlins and I was only eleven. There’s only one King Billy. Looking forward to seeing the statue one day. Classy and dignified leader on and off the park even if he was gash at penalties. Hail Hail.
If it’s not the Orange Order.or the Masons.for god sake how did we get 9 in a row… on the park against another 11 players that’s how we did it.can’t be bothered with all this everyones against us.that’s what all the huns say.as for being a Mason. my grandfather was one.and he was a great grandad.as with people there are good and bad.
Today’s gossip.
Norwich and Swansea will have to look elsewhere for a striker with Leigh Griffiths set to sign new Celtic deal, Dundee United’s John Souttar could sign a pre-contract with the Parkhead club in January, and Falkirk boss Peter Houston insists league reconstruction will be pushed through if Falkirk win the Ladbrokes Championship title.
Norwich give up hope of landing Leigh Griffiths
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NORWICH City are set to concede defeat in their bid to land Celtic’s Leigh Griffiths after it emerged the striker is set to pen a new bumper deal at Parkhead.
Manager Alex Neil is looking to bolster his squad for the second half of the English Premier League season as the Canaries battle to stay in the top flight.
A swap deal with old Celtic favourite Gary Hooper was previously mooted, but it now appears Neil will have to turn his attentions elsewhere.
The same goes for Swansea City, who’s previous manager Gary Monk was also a fan of the 25-year-old. (Various)
Celtic set to sign Dundee United’s John Souttar
CELTIC are poised to offer a contract to Dundee United youngster John Souttar, who will be available to move from Tannadice when his current deal expires next summer.
United have twice tried to tie the 19-year-old, who can operate in both defence and midfield, to a new deal.
However, negotiations have broken down on both occasions and it means Celtic will be able to offer a pre-contract this January.
A development fee will have to be paid to United by means of compensation, but that shouldn’t put off the Scottish champions who have long been an admirer of the player. (Evening Telegraph)
‘There will be reconstruction’ if Falkirk win title
PETER Houston is convinced league reconstruction will be pushed through this summer if his Falkirk pull off a shock and pip Rangers and Hibs to the Championship title.
And Falkirk manager Houston believes that if they could beat both of their rivals to the one automatic promotion slot, the revamp Bairns chairman Doug Henderson has called for will be firmly on the agenda.
Houston said: “Do you think if Rangers and Hibs don’t go up this season there might be league reconstruction? Or if Falkirk went up as champions? I know what I think would happen. There would be league reconstruction. Scottish football is in a scenario now where we need big clubs back in the top league.” (The Scotsman)
Little chance of Gary Mackay-Steven return to Tannadice
DUNDEE United have distanced themselves from rumours that former winger Gary Mackay-Steven is set to return in January to help the club’s relegation bid.
The player moved to Celtic last season in the double swoop that also saw Stuart Armstrong move to Glasgow. After enjoying a strong start to life at Celtic Park, Mackay-Steven has been badly out of sorts this season, falling down the pecking order as a result.
However, while it’s likely United would welcome the player back given the club’s current plight, they insist no contact has been made. (Evening Telegraph)
Aberdeen to offer Ryan McGowan pre-contract
ABERDEEN are set to offer Dundee United full-back a pre-contract in January.
The defender’s deal expires at the end of the season and is unlikely to receive an offer for an extension as one of the highest earners on a struggling side.
Dons’ boss Derek McInnes is on the hunt for a replacement for current first choice right-back Shay Logan who looks set to leave the club next summer. (The Sun)
Liam Henderson wants to see out season at Easter Road
CELTIC loanee Liam Henderson wants to remain at Easter Road for the duration of the 2015/16 season and defeat his parent club’s main rivals in the battle for the Ladbrokes Championship crown.
The midfielder has been in impressive form since joining Hibernian as part of the deal that saw Scott Allan move to Celtic Park.
He’s been a regular in the side under Alan Stubbs and insists he wants to keep getting regular first-team football while helping the Edinburgh club get back to the top flight.
Hibs are currently three points behind Rangers in the table. (Daily Record)
Jack Ross ‘bruised’ by exit from Hearts
JACK Ross, the new manager of Alloa Athletic, has made a career out of bouncing back. Released by Dundee at the start of his career, he vented his frustration in a positive way at junior level and soon made it back to the senior game.
But he admits to being left slightly shaken by the manner and suddenness of his exit from Hearts in mid-October. “Bruised” is the word he used to describe how he felt when he departed Tynecastle after little over a year as under-20s coach, a role he combined with first-team responsibilities as one of head coach Robbie Neilson’s assistants. (The Scotsman)
Ronny Deila confident James Forrest to sign deal
CELTIC manager Ronny Deila is confident winger James Forrest will sign a contract extension with the club.
The 24-year-old’s current deal expires at the end of the season and his club are keen to get him tied up after some impressive form this campaign.
“Peter Lawwell is on top of these things all the time and he knows what is going on,” said Deila. (Evening News)
Kenny Miller: Rangers not yet proven their mettle
RANGERS striker Kenny Miller has conceded that the Ibrox side could be vulnerable to Hibernian’s push in the Championship because they have yet to prove their mettle in a title chase.
Earlier this week, the club’s captain Lee Wallace was bullish about the fact that the league leaders would see off their rivals because they have “the best side, the best manager, and the best training ground”.
However, Miller admitted Mark Warburton’s team were largely untried in these situations. (The Scotsman)
Anthony Stokes returns to Celtic after ban
STRIKER Anthony Stokes will return to Celtic training today in a bid to save his career at Parkhead.
The Irishman was suspended for two weeks after letting his frustration get the better of him before an away clash at Inverness. Stokes had been told he wouldn’t be involved in the game and took to Twitter to vent his anger.
When announcing the suspension the club insisted Stokes still had a future if he was willing to clean up his act. (Daily Record)
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See Peter Houston is predicting (expecting) league reconstruction if Falkirk manage to beat Sevco and Hibs to a promotion spot. Alarming.
Yikes. I failed to beat the Daily Bugle to the news ;-)
The Protestant League, or ‘who got the covered end at Hampden’. Criteria is based only on who is the most protestant team.
1- Rangers
2- Hearts
3- Airdrie
4- Motherwell
5- Aberdeen
6- Dundee
7- Dunfermline
8- Dundee United
9- Hibs
10- Celtic
You’d think this is a spoof, but the reality as we know is laughably sectarian, a policy put in place by a laughably sectarian SFA
Good Morning Bhoys from a dull dreich Central Scotland a new contract for Forrest and Griffiths now that would be good rumours of trying to offload GMS I think are not so good if true. H.H.
Did the EssPeeHell not paint themselves in to a corner last time they tried league “reconstruction” by introducing a minimum 18 month notice period for such action in the future? Or did I dream that?
Macjay
My point de orcs was as an example for us to use in discussions re ova. Remember the act discussed by us after we went cap in hand to Salmond after having 3 players booked against the dead mob
Hunderbirds,
I don’t think we’ll need to worry about Falkirk finishing in front of them two.
HH
Oba
Geordie M
9 points. I live in hope, but point taken.
Happy Birthday The Spirit of Arthur Lee
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uNQuDj2zXf4&autoplay=1
Everybody’s gotta live
HH
xxx
The add on ate the end is to be expected of course.?
Celtic to make bid for Tom Bradshaw?
Recent reports have emerged suggesting that Celtic are preparing to make a bid for Walsall’s striker Tom Bradshaw during the January transfer window.
The report says that Celtic have been keeping tabs on Bradshaw over the duration of the season so far, and now Deila is ready to make a bid for the in form player.
Bradshaw has been in good form for Walsall since joining from Shrewsbury back in 2014. This season he has notched an impressive 12 goals in 23 appearances in all competitions. He has scored 32 goals in 60 appearances in his career so far at Walsall.
Bradshaw has also caught the eye of Chris Coleman, the Wales manager, who recently called him up for their game against Holland, although he didn’t make an appearance. There’s talk that he will be called up for the Euro’s in the summer as well.
Other reports are suggesting that Celtic are preparing to make a bid of around £1.5 million for the 23 year old. The report comes from a Walsall based website and says that Walsall are in contention for promotion, so they would hope the club would reject any bids for their best players.
Bradshaw has been likened to ex-Celtic striker Gary Hooper, and has attracted interest from other clubs as well as Celtic, one of these apparently being Rangers.
Would you like to see Celtic sign Bradshaw?
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I think we have to accept one way or another the Rangers with all there baggage will be back in the SPL next season and it will be hailed by the MSM as a great achievement. I also believe that many Celtic fans say they would prefer never to see them in the SPL but we will sell more season tickets because and that for me will show a silent majority of hoops fans have not followed the cheating close enough to understand what has and what is going on at Ibrokes. H.H.
My apologies if already posted?
RSVP
“It is extraordinary that representatives of other Scottish clubs – who admit the damage done to Scottish football by Rangers’ removal from the Premier League – should even wish to re-engage with this issue.It is time those individuals, who represent other clubs, recognize their legal and fiduciary responsibilities to their own clubs and shareholders rather than submit to the uninformed ramblings of a few outspoken fans to whom attacking Rangers is more important than the well being of their own clubs.This is a misguided attempt (that will ultimately fail) to rewrite history and defeat Rangers off the park when their teams could not do so on the park at the time. The history of many other clubs would have to be rewritten if this illogical argument was to be consistently applied.”
‘We discussed the importance of Rangers to Scottish football, repairing and improving the relationship with our fellow clubs. The last few years have brought challenges not only to Rangers but to Scottish football as a whole. I will primarily rely upon Stewart (Robertson) to build the ongoing relationship however I would be grateful if during the course of 2016 I could have the opportunity to meet as many clubs as possible.’
The aforementioned statements are by career criminal Dave King. Number one was written as a response to the news that HMRC had prevailed at the Inner Court of Session.This successful appeal had a number of ramifications. Dave King was a director of a company that engaged in illegal tax avoidance schemes. Dave King was a director of a company who issued a denial that side-letters were attached to the Employment Benefit Trusts. Dave King was party to a conspiracy to lie to HMRC and the SFA. As a former director stated in 2002, everyone knew they were cheating but they thought they would get away with it. Mr Adam was prescient in his analysis. King and SDM (who charged Rangers £500,000 per annum for his ‘expertise’) and others did get way with it.
Let’s turn our attention to statement two which came to light on Phil Mac’s site late last night. In a letter sent to chairmen of clubs in the SPFL, King replaces the iron fist of his first statement by extending the velvet gloved hand of friendship with a cordial invitation to lunch or dinner. King, who is noted for his parsimony and congenital mendacity, would be unlikely to pay for his proposed rendezvous. During this lunch, if inadvertently caught telling the truth, he would probably retract his statement and lie, just to keep his hand in.
As for the rationale for this volte face, look no further than his recent meeting with Neil Doncaster. There is little doubt that at this meeting, Mr Doncaster apprised Mr King of some home truths. The six members clubs of the SPFL are spitting blood at having been duped out of titles and prize money by an exercise in tax evasion. Mr King’s inflammatory statement (one) hardened the resolve of all six chairman. If Doncaster was going to keep a lid on their increasingly fractious demeanour, a charm offensive by King would be helpful. Doncaster was one of the five who approved King as fit and proper. Doncaster’s chums at the SFA, Stewart Regan and Sandy Bryson. rigged Emeritus Lord Nimmo Smith’s findings to favour Rangers. A £250,000 fine and costs is a small price to pay for seven league titles, seven league cups and six Scottish Cups during the period when the illegal DOS and EBT were deployed. I’m sure Mr Doncaster, who unlike King does not have to lie in regard to his academic qualifications, engaged in some quick mental arithmetic to highlight that even with the costs of Mr Smith’s commission included, King could preserve twenty titles at a mere £20,000 per title. It would be remiss of Mr Doncaster not to mention that if King did not agree to pay, the thorny issue of UEFA qualification during this period could lead to inordinately severe sanctions to Rangers and the SFA. This scandal has to be contained ‘for the good of Scottish football.’
This ‘let sleeping dogs lie’ mantra will be repeated in the SMSM ad infinitum in the coming months. There is even a piece in today’s National extolling the virtues of the ‘Blue’ Pound. Mr Hannah believes that Dave King’s ‘millions’ will restore Rangers to their rightful place as part of the Glasgow duopoly that have won the league titles in Scotland for the past 30 years. However there is a fatal flaw in Mr Hannah’s argument. Mr King earns 5 million rand per annum. He has done so for the past two tears. This amounts to just enough to pay the fine and the costs to the SPFL and a couple of slap up lunches, but little more.
If Mr Hannah needs proof that Mr King is unable to spend millions on Rangers, he should cast his eye at events in court on Thursday and Friday of last week. Despite King’s assurances at the AGM on the 27th of November that £5m had been raised in an hour and was ready for disbursement, we later discover that this was a glib and shameless lie. King’s consortium could not raise the £5m, so where on a scale between Bob Hope and No Hope is the appreciable wealth required for the renaissance of Rangers? It must be those dreaded exchange controls that have precluded King from spending one rand for his shares and his seat on the board.
Of even more interest is the lie by counsel for King in the Royal Courts of Justice. William McCormick QC stood before Justice Smith and stated that the £5m had been repaid to Sports Direct on the previous day, Wednesday 9th November. This was a lie. It put Sports Direct on the back foot. The instructing solicitors for Sports Direct called Shirebrook during the lunch recess to ascertain whether it was true. After several hours engaged in the exhaustive searches of SDI bank accounts it emerged that there was no transfer of any amount in payment or part-payment of the £5m.
I have experience of instructing solicitors and barristers at the Royal Courts of Justice. Typically a meeting at the barrister’s chambers is arranged on the eve of the hearing. If this is not possible, a conference call is set up with the client, solicitor and barrister to discuss court tactics. There have been occasions when I have not met my barrister until he arrives at court around 9.30. During the hour prior to the hearing the position statement of opposing counsel (the respondent) is compared to the position statement of the appellant. The repayment of the £5m would have featured in the position statement of Dave King which would be presented by his counsel to the clerks of court with a copy given to SDI’s counsel. This procedure gives the judge sufficient time to review both positions.
Counsel for King, William McCormick, would not stray from the position statement. The position statement is at the top of his pile of notes placed in front of him. No barrister, no matter his experience or relative inexperience, would conjure up a material fact to present to court at his own behest. William McCormick was instructed by King to lie on his behalf. Mr McCormick, who accepted his client’s position in good faith, unwittingly lied to court.
What surprised me even more was that Mr McCormick did not retract his statement of the previous day and apologize to Justice Smih and his ‘learned friends’ representing SDI.
Justice Smith seems to have let this lie slip. He also did not make much fuss out of King defying him when he briefed the press on emerging from court on Thursday afternoon. Justice Smith is a regular guest in the director’s box at Chelsea. I wonder if he encountered Dave King when our career criminal blagged a free ticket? Mr Smith’s affection for Rangers and his respect for Rangers’ legend John Grieg, whom he wished had nominated him to the brotherhood of freemasonry, must have come as a shock to counsel for SDI. There were several statements by Justice Smith that indicated that he would like to see Mike Ashley attend court, issue an affidavit and make himself available for cross examination in the witness box. Counsel for SDI would be forgiven if they concluded that Justice Smith had attempted to juxtapose SDI from appellant to respondent. Justice Smith’s bias towards King and what he represents, Rangers and Freemasonry, was unparalleled. Mr Smith has a reputation for interpreting the law to suit his personal agendas, but he is usually more subtle when pursuing his own interests. He has even allowed King to lie via his counsel. If I were SDI I would be preparing an appeal after Justice Smith’s presents his pro King verdict in mid January.
Tomorrow, three Law Lords in ordinary, will hear the appeal of Charles Green at the Inner Court of Session. I’m confident that all three would not allow anyone to lie in their court with the impunity of Dave King at The Royal Courts of Justice. I believe James Doleman will be present. I will be following his tweets with interest.
Happy birthday to Spirit of Arthur Lee
Old codger that he is. ☘☘
Hunderbirds,
Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m hoping they DO finish third in their one horse race :)
HH
Yup,….that’s what he saaaaaiiid.
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Date: 16th December 2015 at 9:01 am
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Lionel Messi (Barcelona)
Wacky Kenny Miller has compared Sevco’s form slump with Barcelona!
On Saturday both club’s drew 2-2 at home but while Luis Enrique prepares for the World Club Cup in Japan Pep Warburton’s side have been promoting the Petrofac Cup Final with Peterhead.
With Hibs hot on their heels it seems that the pressure is starting to get through to the Ibrox squad with Lee Wallace claiming that having a better training ground than the Edinburgh side will have an impact on the league race.
Eager to retain the feel good factor despite just two wins from five matches Miller was in reflective mood as he considered Saturday’s 2-2 draw with Morton.
“At the weekend too many of us were off form and Morton did well defensively,” the former Vancouver Whitecap marksman said.
“Our failure to win was down to a bit of both and teams setting up that way against us is nothing new.
“We’re not the only side who faces it. Barcelona drew 2-2 on Saturday and they are the best team in the world. You can have an off day when teams set up against you.
“However, we must ensure that no matter how we play, we come through and win.
“The manager says we are not going to play the beautiful game every week and be at the top of our game but we have to find a way to win. We spoke about it after the match, although what goes on in the dressing room will stay in the dressing room.
“If you could put your finger on what was going wrong you would sort it straight away.
“We are working hard to make sure results like that don’t happen again. No disrespect to Morton, who were fantastic on the day, but we should be winning those games at home.
“There was a lengthy ?discussion about what didn’t happen, what needs to happen and what we need to make sure doesn’t happen again.
“I took it upon myself to speak to the lads but the manager expects everyone to have an opinion. No opinion is wrong
Read more at http://videocelts.com/2015/12/blogs/latest-news/kenny-miller-compares-sevco-with-barcelona#LF7d5jPykwXjSj5c.99
HAPPY HOOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
THESPIRITOFARTHURLEE!!!!!!
Have a belter,bud.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1L11Y0I5E0
SOAL
enjoy the pension and visits to the P.O
Nappy Birthday
HH
Sonas ort inniu SOAL.
Árd Macha
Timbhoy3,
The significance of Masonic influence in today’s situation, as against our 9 in a row, is the perilous state of RFC.
Back in the Stein era, any number of our nine could have been won by them, or Aberdeen. They were, on the whole, close, competitive leagues.
They were not faced with extinction, yet, even then, there were dodgy dealings afoot.
Today, they are faced with oblivion and it is only by a coordinated scheme of rule breaking, rule bending and lies that they still exist in any form.
You either believe that masonry is the thread that holds it all together or not.
What I do believe is that they have taken a sworn oath to aid a brethren in distress….and are they in distress?
BMCUWP ignores the bores,scrolls the trolls,
Good to see you back.
Árd Macha
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 16TH DECEMBER 2015 9:55 AM
Macjay
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Fair enough.
I am perfectly happy that Celtic don`t indulge in megaphone diplomacy.
Dignity.
:-)
Happy Birthday SOAL, one of the wittiest contributors on the blog and my go to music ghuy.
HH ya ole codger.
Hasta mañana.
I hope Milne didn’t have succulent lamb at his lunch with King; that would be a step too far for the Sheepies…
stripthetitlesCSC
Can anyone confirm that Peter Lawwell and Rod Petrie have both been summoned to give evidence at Mike Ashley´s judicial review for the GASL approval ?
I heard it is in the post
HH
Stewart Milne is in danger of ruining the good thing he has finally achieved with the Aberdeen fans. He was a figure of derision for long enough but it has now widely been accepted and lauded by Dons fans given recent success.
I know him – he’s not a mate but lives close by and our sons are in the same football team so I have occassional caht with him. He’s a shrewd cookie and will make decisions based on his commercial acumen. He’s 100% Aberdeen and not a Hun in any shape or form. Nor do i suspect does he have any care for Celtic.
The Spirit of Arthur Lee
Happy Birthday young ‘un
Stick at it:))
Mourinho needs a change – he doesn’t need money and thrives on love. He’s also decent in Europe. Come on PL lift the phone – you’ll never get a better opportunity…
confirm that Peter Lawwell and Rod Petrie have both been summoned to give evidence at Mike Ashley´s judicial review for the GASL approval ? I heard it is in the post – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/be-there-on-saturday-for-yourself/comment-page-8/#comment-2738100
It would be very interesting if they have been, although I’d very much doubt it, but! These days who know?