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Beaton threshold on kicking, stamping and the rest

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We deservedly lost at Ibrox on Saturday, so it would have been inappropriate to apportion any responsibility towards referee John Beaton, for the free reign Newco player Alfredo Morelos had to kick Scott Brown, stamp on Anthony Ralston and assault the genitals of Ryan Christie during the game.

These things occasionally happen in football (although seldom in such quantities) and are picked up by the SFA review process.  What is exceptional about these circumstances is that the review process is unable to act as the referee claims to have witnessed each incident and determined no action was worthy of a caution or more.

Beaton will have mitigated his decisions with some or other explanation, perhaps with “It wasn’t that bad a stamp” type comment.  This is how the process works.  The system is rightly designed to protect referees and allow them latitude to make decisions, including the occasional mistake.

It is not always easy to view common assault for what it is, in fact, it is easy to get carried away with an occasion and raise your threshold for such matters.  It is only human to be affected this way.  But this is bad refereeing.

Beaton could have taken the easy route out and claimed he missed one or more of the incidents, each was off the ball, after all.  That would have allowed the review panel to dispassionately decide if such attacks are to be prohibited, or encouraged, in our game.  Instead, he affirmed that in his view, there was nothing in Morelos behaviour worthy of a caution.

I have no idea what Dedryck Boyata said to earn his red card from John Beaton against St Johnstone earlier this season but I defended the referee’s decision that day.  You have to trust match officials to competently carry out their duties.  Do I still trust John Beaton’s views on kicking players, stamping, genital punching and the like?  No.  His views and significantly out of line with mine.

I don’t see a conspiracy in what happened this week, just a referee who was not up to the job.  A good referee would have cautioned Morelos for the first incident (kick on Brown).  This may have prevented the more serious attacks on Ralston and Christie, but the Newco player was not even spoken to after any of the incidents.

These are not easy games to officiate but this was not a game full of controversy or incident, only one player and one referee lost the plot.

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  1. South Of Tunis on

    SFTB@7.54.

     

     

    Saw that on an Italian news prog which also showed screenshots from the relevant Company’s website.Their mission statement reads like it has been erroneously lifted from a fast food delivery website.Shome mistake shurely ?

  2. mike in toronto on

    Glad to see that Celtic have issued a statement. However, there has to be follow up, and action.

     

     

    And, as one poster (sorry, cant remember who), transparency and accountability aren’t things that Celtic should only be demanding (from the league), but are obligations that it owes to the fans and shareholders.

  3. Catman

     

    Keep on keeping us plebs informed please.

     

    Ach it is what it is, I said earlier that the leader was to gauge the reaction of the blog, CQN is prob the most conservative blog out there, wham, it’s no pleased hence the statement, just my take on it, could be boillix but there you go, I honestly don’t believe that Paul believes Brother Beaton is just incompetent, I just don’t believe that.

     

    HH

  4. Setting free the Bears your big brother analogy was funny today but Pish tonight.

     

     

    Naw it’s actually quite funny?

     

     

    D. :)

  5. Burke hardly played for 2 seasons , definitely not what we need to be wasting more money on

  6. CQN may be a “conservative” blog , in some minds ( I haven’t read all the others) but it is also a small minority blog.

     

     

    If PL needed to commit some action research on fans opinions, it could have been done much more discreetly.

     

     

    Still once, you paint yourself into a corner, you have to perform contortions to prevent cramping from remaining still in a small restricted space.

     

     

    Still not one apology for the “mouthpiece” allegations ???

     

     

    And, yes I know Paul has privileged access but…… come on…..

  7. Oliver Burke, a strange one but maybe Brendan is trying to push wee Jamsie. Weah and Bayo I get. Next a RB, CH and a central midfielder.

     

    The lead article aside my tuppence worth for what it is worth:

     

    First off, we got what we deserved on Saturday, end of. Beaton was not the reason we got beat. However, he clearly ignored at least four fouls/assaults by Morelos. Now you can ask yourself why, incompetence, bias, cheat or all of the aforementioned. Before today I went for all of the aforementioned. However, having seen photographs of Brother Beaton on FB and then me putting them on twitter including Chris Sutton, English, Spiers I now know why, the SFA are corrupt, proof if ever it was needed.

     

    Why in this article and subsequent posts not highlighted these photographs, province, who knows but on Follow Follow they confirm the photographs are genuine.

     

    We have missed a trick, the photographs prove a conflict of interest…remember dougie gate!!

     

    We should be putting more emphasis on social media about Beaton’s allegiances. Should be his career, how can he be impartial. He and the SFA are corrupt, the fact he stated to said SFA I saw all incidents and deemed them okay, supported with the photographs out there proof if there was ever needed. But do you know what, they will never be defeated, just like 67 resulted in them dying in 2012, they smell blood and will stop at nothing to stop 10. We gave them hope, like a poison, now it is game on. When we get 8, 9 and 10 will be done at a cantor.

     

    Beaton, his Brothers in arms and the SFA are cheats and that is what we should concentrate on, not arguing over the lead article, CFC have made their statement, let us see where that goes along with the publishing of Beaton’s photos.

     

    We have known for 130 years, we will never, in my lifetime at least bring them to book but we are capable of getting rid of Beaton, just Dougie.

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

    Hail Hail!

  8. SOT 8.06.

     

    Yes, that’s true.

     

    The whole story is incredible.

     

    It wasn’t properly put our for tender either, the,Government said there wasn’t enough time.

     

    So they just gave it to the one of the Tory parties biggest donors brother.

     

    Bamford of JCB.

     

    I believe NZ TV called UK a banana republic because of it.

     

    Hail Hail

  9. Did PL sell P67 a dummy and use him as bait

     

     

    Did P67 align with PL and flush out the Celtic fans views

     

     

    Did PL & P67 align to misdirect support from the real failure of last 3 transfer windows

     

     

    Has PL damaged Celtic with his 30 odd projects with special mention to the OAPs like Carlton Cole

     

     

    Will PL share details of meeting with SFA —- no Paul McBride available now.

     

     

    Even tho I am happy with the statement the biggest threat to 10 is the beancounter. An absolute parasite on the backs of the Celtic support.

  10. SFTB

     

    As I said it is prob bollix, but something at the back of the head is telling me otherwise, Paul has been blogging for a long long time, he knows the score with the establishment, to come away with what he did today, not buying it, but that’s just me ;-)

  11. BTW

     

     

    I think I may be a hun.

     

     

     

    On, at least, 2 occasions I have drunk in the Crown in Bellshill following an O** F*** match. The second occasion was a forfeit to a fellow team member who was a bluenose and I had to go there cos Celtic lost. On the first occasion, I volunteered after Celtic had beat them and I was lucky to survive being the only non-morose person on the premises. It’s really hard not to laugh at loud at their suffering.

     

     

    Never met Beaton and I don’t know him but I can confirm that The Crown is a typically rabid Hun pub.

  12. Greeninbingley

     

     

    “I am embarrassed that it takes the likes of Craig Levein to point out this corruption,”

     

     

     

    I’m no having that. Levein has twice had a chance.

     

     

    First, when McCurry was up to his tricks and it was Dundee United that suffered.

     

     

    And, secondly, when Hearts were on the receiving end.

     

     

    On both occasions, he reached for the safe land of all fans of “neutral” clubs, and brought pro-Celtic decisions into the argument, without even being asked.

     

     

    I’ll take no lessons from him.

  13. What is the Stars on

    Things i have learned on CQN

     

    Peter Lawwell is the biggest obstacle between Celtic and 10 in a row.

     

    Desmond and Lawwell are prepared to throw league’s and let Rangers get the much needed Champions league money to keep the old firm bigot buck flowing in.

     

    The reaction by CQN to Pauls article caused Lawwell to panic and issue a statement.

     

    Strange world we live in

  14. Delaneys Dunky on

    Oĺiver Burke. Thank you Catman.

     

    This guy will be magic in the hoops.

     

    Celtic fan

  15. TET

     

     

    I would want PL sacked if he dreamed up a statement in a few spare minutes this afternoon after having sampled social media reaction on one small blog of the Timternet.

     

     

    It’s as daft and capricious as DD sanctioning increased. spending because some Sevcoite Boardroom attendees did not display sufficient grace in victory. I don’t want my club run by people prone to emotional and reactive decision making.

     

     

    But, on the other hand, I don’t believe any of the above wee stories explains anything satisfactorily.

     

     

    If PL did not arrange to meet and sound out with other personnel at CP, an agreed reaction immediately the Compliance Officer issued her statement, then I think his salary should be halved again and I already know he is paid and bonuses too much.

  16. glendalystonsils on

    Ideally I would like to think that today’s statement was an opening gambit in a planned strategy to clean out the cesspit that is Scottish football. This cannot be about one particular referee in one particular game . If there is any chance to review the SFA disciplinary procedures and the vetting/training of referees then these are the more fundamental issues we should be pushing for . Of course it would be helpful if Celtic were not a lone voice in this.

  17. mike in toronto on

    I remember when Oliver Burke broke through, big things were expected of him. Hopefully, he can find his way with Celtic One question, though…. I thought he played in the same role as James Forrest. Am I mistaken?

  18. The good news is that we are not a lone voice. Plenty other managers have spoken out against our referees. Just not Celtic until today. Brendan jokes about Shinnie!

     

     

    Honestly?

     

     

    That statement today was meek.

  19. SFTB

     

    Do you honestly think that I think it was dreamed up this afternoon ?

     

    The internet has not been happy since last saturday regarding this, the natives are restless, dissent and possible revolt, not just on here is not what the PLC are wanting to happen, season books are at stake here, nothing else matters apart from relieving the punters of their money, to think otherwise is delusional, imo obviously.

  20. FAVOURITE UNCLE on

    OOR WULLIE of eyes in the back of his heid fame is ref at MORTON V ROSS CO.

     

     

    the huns complain BOOM. celtic complain.don’t F… OFF just get right tae F……

  21. Catman.

     

    Once again, thank you.

     

    Is there any news on Tim Weah, that looked, to me, as if that was the most straightforward but it seems to be dragging on a bit.

     

    Hail Hail

  22. I have a photo of KT and his family having a bit of down time in Tenerife,mite send it to the snake?

  23. Jimmy

     

     

    My info a week ago was this would happen.

     

     

    Nothing has changed

     

     

    Don’t always call them right but hopeful

     

     

    HH

  24. I asked yesterday if Celtic had released their “surprised” statement. Well, there it is – 6 days after the game and, perhaps, after Paul 67 had used CQN followers as a ” thermostat in the mooth guinea pig”.

     

     

    I’m completely underwhelmed by the statement. Perhaps, if they had replaced “surprised” with “staggered” it would have appropriately represented the feelings of most Celtic fans.

     

     

    I’ve been a season ticket holder since 88. I’m getting pissed off with the calibre of people who run our club. We’re almost back to Celts for Change territory.

     

     

    I don’t think we’ll do the Ten. Firstly, Scottish football and Society is against it and I’m seriously concerned that our current custodians are not determined enough to ensure it happens. Sevco have outspent us in the last two transfer windows. I feel an entirely unacceptable “treble” about to be attributed to Lawwell & Co.

     

     

    If we don’t secure 10, given our unassailable financial advantage, I will be doing walking away until the incompetents are removed from the boardroom.

     

    It’s starting to look like they’re “board” already!

  25. Richie #TeamOscarForever on

    Maybe there was no “conspiracy” as such, but I don’t agree that its just incompetence. The guy hates Celtic and likes the Huns. It’s that simple, imho.

  26. TET

     

     

    If the timternet was alive with dissent and possible revolt (when has it ever been other? I have been promised a pitchfork revolt for over 10 years now), since last weekend, and it increased when the Compliance officer adjudicated yesterday, then why would PL see any need to test any reaction out on CQN- it would have been obvious to him already.

     

     

    If he planned to release a statement, he might have given Paul, his mouthpiece allegedly, an inside track on this. Instead he is supposed to have asked Paul to write a provocative article poking this hornet’s nest of dissent and bringing opprobrium on himself, to what end??? to learn what he already knew??

     

     

    If your version is right then I can only read this as PL wishing to do Paul67 a mischief, for what end I don’t know.

     

     

    However, if Paul gave his own view, without running it bye PL (why would he be wasting his time with such a small section of the fans anyway?- more than half disagree with Paul and most of the rest don’t read the articles anyway).

     

     

    My Occam’s razor reading of the events=

     

     

    Paul or the editor wrote words on his or her own thoughts.

     

    PL and others at CP had been meeting before and during the time the CQN article was being considered and gave their own views as a Board, via the statement.

     

    And People who accused PL of penning the CQN article and criticised him and Paul67 for it AND who have then praised the Celtic statement, are holding 2 contradictory positions and probably owe someone an apology.

     

     

    I have yet to see one.

  27. Disappointed by Pauls article,but so what.Thats his opinion,and he is entitled to it.Same as every person who comes on here.Those who disagree are entitled to their opinion as well.Abusing the host is a different matter.In my opinion,if you feel so strongly,you feel the need to be offensive to the host,go elsewhere.Democracy is not for you,and hang your head as you go.

     

    The statement,unless this is urgently pursued,and we the fans get some answers from the SFA,then it is simply a sop to fob us off.I have no confidence whatsoever in this Board taking this the full distance.Their past record on similar is pathetic.If this Referee is in charge of another Celtic game,they should hang their heads in shame.A disgrace to the support.

  28. I bet there was high 5s in the ref’s room after the game.

     

     

    Beaton cheated and his decision to pose for photos in a Rangers pub 24 hours after the game tells us he thought he got away with it.

     

     

    Celtic should pursue this to the end- his mad decision to say he seen it all should hang him.

     

     

    Celtic’s statement was excellent but my only problem is that I think Sevco will ‘endorse’ it with a statement of their own- we all want change, old firm bla bla pash.

     

     

    I heard the other day and I don’t know if it’s true that last Saurday in the 2nd half the ball was in play for a grand total of….14 minutes and 44 seconds.

     

     

    Would anyone else sign McGeady or Mulgrew?

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