We now know that Craig Whyte met Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping, directors of the SPL, in London in October 2011 and informed them of the likelihood that Rangers would go into liquidation. Whyte’s plan, to start a Newco and have it parachuted into top flight football was only taken seriously as a result of these three having a head start on everyone else and doing some preparatory work.
Charles Green has no such plans. If he loses Ibrox, becomes embroiled in IPO-related troubles or fails to bridge the gap between money-in and money-out, an unplanned liquidation could follow with a potentially protracted period where physical assets are moribund and playing assets and other staff are released.
The SPL and SFL would do well to consider ‘what next?’ when they hold separate meetings next week. The century-old ways are gone, things will never be the same again.
I’m really pleased the aforementioned Charlie issued an apology for his offending comments, even if he did so under duress from the SFA. This kind of rhetoric has taken control within football in some European countries. Once the door is open it is hard to close it again.
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Can you all feel Keith’s pain?
Its a good job that his work is done electronically, if it had been hand written copy the tears would have left the ink running all over the paper and possibly onto his brown brogues.
ernie lynch
08:53 on
12 April, 2013
I might be wrong but did Johnston not invoke the ‘No surrender’ imagery rather than actually say it. As I recall the quote (after some pre-amble) was “Surrender? No”.
The Batterred Bunnet. Your post at 8.43 is well written and if you were writing about any other club than Rangers I would agree with everything you have written.However,from the very start of this ongoing situation at Ibrox they have not been treated the way any other club would have been treated a case in point is Dunfermilne being banned from the Scottish cup because they owe Hamilton accies gate money now that was not how Rangers were treated. There are many occassions that they have been favoured and in my opinion this will continue to happen they are seen as the club of the establishment and they will not be allowed to die surely there is enough evidence of this over previous months to show any watchers that this is no ordinary situation they have there own set of rules which are not being challenged. H.H.
TBB@08:43
Jingle now wants Malcolm Murray to save SevCo. He mentions in the article of a ‘shameful’ smear campaign against him, a campaign that Jingle & Co took part in despite Murray being a ‘good guy’ apparently.
As you rightly point out, the article is from someone who is utterly terrified at where this is all going.
JFH
It’s a cut and paste. It was written by Keith Jackson and published in the Record.
You will now have to suffer the ignominy of having praised the quality of writing of a Record hack.
Hee Hee
jingle is such a subjective journalist. Our hero is now ‘loathsome’. What does that make chuckles & the rest?
I may be about to show my ignorance to all things of Hunnery here but….
What is sectarian about “No Surrender”?
I always had that down as political not sectarian. Just like I had no real problem with them singing Derrys Walls for that reason.
They are without question the most fickle gullible and stupid group of peepil I have EVER encountered in my lifetime !
First it was Minty who SHAFTED them ! Then they acclaimed a new hero Craigy ,he SHAFTED them ! Then it was Green and he Shafted them ! NOW it is being suggested that their chairman Malcolm Murray could be the saviour !
Am I missing something here ? Why doesn’t he get a backbone and challenge Green and expose the crook for what he is ? Oh that’s right the new media stance is he’s choosing his moment to make a move lol lol !!!
The corpse is dead it’s only the ZOMBIES that are left ooooofffffftttt !
Rogue leader
Could you ask declan to explain it please?
Really miss the wee man
Batterred Bunnet. I dont suscribe to the view that everything written in the Record is rubbish the article makes sense up and until you realise it is Rangers he is writing about.There situation has consistantly been white washed excuse the pun and they are and will continue to be given special treatment in order to get them back on there feet and into the SPL.H.H.
weeminger
09:09 on 12 April, 2013
You might be right. But I think the intention was there. If I was Chuckles I’d be mentioning it to the SFA.
Stormer of a post from TSFM.
WARNING! It’s a long one!
Humble Pie says:
Friday, April 12, 2013 at 00:04
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Hanlon’s Razor
What if the mainstream media hack pack were actually right all along and we are all just obsessed and imagining all these ‘outrageous conspiracy theories’ surrounding the death and rebirth of Rangers?
What if everything happened just as they described it and there really are no secret agendas or cover-ups involved in this fiasco?
How else might we explain the multitude of ‘headcracking’ examples of fiscal, corporate and professional lunacy we have been witness to throughout this debacle, particularly from such formerly venerable institutions as MIM, RFC, the SFA, D&P, Ticketus, Cenkos and the MSM?
Is it possible that the increasingly long list of unorthodox decisions and endless delays as well as the many ‘bizarre coincidences’ surrounding the folks and proceedings at Ibrox and Hampden could all just be ‘honest mistakes’. Taken individually, of course they could. However when you join the dots, these events taken together show all the classic hallmarks of a long-planned, multi-layered conspiracy and cover up in operation.
Noam Chomsky, philosopher, scholar, political writer and activist, defines ‘conspiracy theory’ as being the opposite of ‘institutional analysis’ which prefers to look at the public, long-standing misbehaviour of institutions, as recorded in official documents or mainstream media reports rather than being the work of secretive coalitions of individuals.
I suppose, on the face of it, this could provide a rational explanation for the consistent confusion, rampant misrepresentation and the systemic aversion to the truth displayed all the way through this mockery of a sham. The problem with that theory arises when we realise that many of the ‘officials’ and the mainstream media reporters appear to be in on the scam, so gathering information from those sources will likely yield little of benefit to any investigation.
Perhaps we should apply Hanlon’s Razor to the situation i.e. “Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.”
In fact, simple stupidity and bewilderment appear to be the favoured justification for the (in)actions of all the prime suspects in the Rangers downfall. “I was duped” says Mr Murray, “I didn’t know, nobody told me” says Mr Smith, “It was never my role” says Mr Ogilvie, “That’s what his PR people told us” says Mr Jackson, “It’s the first I’ve heard of it” says Mr McCoist.
Seriously though, I find it very hard to believe that so many seemingly intelligent, worldly-wise and ordinarily prudent individuals could have been so easily deceived by such transparently ‘dodgy’ characters as Craig Whyte and Charles Green.
How come we, illiterate internet bampots, were able to see through all the blatant lies and bluster proffered by these shysters to disguise their own obvious failings, while the Jacksons and Keevins’ of this world appeared to be entirely convinced by the veracity of every one of their lame utterances?
Either they are asking the wrong questions to the wrong people or they have absolutely no interest in untangling this well-woven web of deceit?
Given the sluggish (do you see what I did there?) progress of both the governing bodies and the investigative authorities in responding to the dodgy dealings at Rangers, there was a real danger that the chief culprits behind this debacle might actually live long enough to get away with it. In fact, if it hadn’t been for rangerstaxcase.com, Phil Mac and a few notable others, I have no doubt that they would have.
I am convinced that the forensic analysis of the facts and figures on RTC and now on TSFM is helping to accelerate a proper investigation into this sordid affair. Much of the new found determination of STV and The Daily Record to get to the bottom of this scandal appears to stem from the education they have received freely from these pages.
Whilst I wouldn’t want to take the JFK conspiracy analogy too far (for obvious reasons) I believe there is a valuable lesson to be learned from that ‘incomplete’ investigation.
Investigators into the JFK assassination concluded that:
“The single biggest clue to any assassination is to determine who had the power to call off or reduce the normal security measures.”
Whilst this person, may not be the prime instigator of the plot, their action or inaction makes them complicit in the crime (a conspirator, if you will) and they would certainly know where their orders came from.
So, what were the ‘normal security measures’ in the case of Rangers financial collapse and ‘who had the power to call off or reduce’ these measures?
Apart from corporate due diligence and fiscal responsibility, the only systems that are in place to prevent a football club tripping over the ‘fiscal cliff’ are the rules and regulations of the game as set down by the SFA, UEFA and ultimately FIFA.
These rules exist to ensure fair play among all participants in the sport, to mitigate the risk of the entire game being brought into disrepute and include the requirement for the submission of annual audited accounts and players contracts from all member clubs/companies.
In order to maintain these established rules and procedures and to discourage deviance, the rules have to be properly enforced ‘without fear or favour’.
With this in mind, let’s ask ourselves these questions.
Who had the power to ignore Rangers’ illegitimate implementation of EBTs (as per their SFA submitted documents) knowing this to be contrary to the SFA rules regarding players registrations?
Who was responsible for rubber stamping Rangers UEFA licenses for a number of years despite patently failing to meet the necessary criteria due to ongoing disputes with the tax authorities?
Who turned a blind eye to Rangers continuing to spend beyond their means (ignoring the contingent liabilities placed on them by their disputed tax bills) thus ensuring that they were able to fulfil their SPL fixtures in 2011/12 season?
Who was responsible for the shambolic implementation of the ‘fit and proper person’ test which allowed Craig Whyte to buy the club from David Murray, despite his well documented history of shady business dealings?
Who was then suddenly able to successfully implement this same test once the dirty deed had been done and consequently declare Mr Whyte neither fit nor proper, after the fact?
Who has subsequently utilised this same test to find Mr Charles Green (a self-confessed liar and conman) to be passed as both fit and proper to run a Scottish football club?
Who had the power to apply significant financial sanctions for ‘bringing the game into disrepute’ to an individual who they knew would not be compelled to pay the fine, while, simultaneously, minimising sanctions applied to the ‘club’ itself?
Who delegated their powers to another autonomous body and private company (SPL) to take control of the duel contract enquiry, gaining Sevco Scotland the time required to engineer the transfer of Rangers SFA membership?
Who sent their Registration Officer to the subsequent LNS enquiry to argue that ‘All women are pregnant’ that no sporting advantage was conferred by fiddling the taxpayer for multi-millions of pounds over a 10 year period.
Who proposed the ‘transfer of membership’ between an old company (Rangers FC PLC) and a new company (Sevco Scotland Ltd) instead of a new membership being granted, allowing Sevco to claim that they are in fact a continuation of the old Rangers?
Who was in a position to orchestrate the new fangled ‘conditional membership’ which allowed Sevco to play their first game in SFL3 despite not having full membership of the SFA?
Who had the power to delay the commencement of a player registration embargo until after the transfer window closed allowing Sevco to sign a number of new players despite not having paid all their football debts?
Who has the power to suppress the notorious five-way agreement detailing the obligations of the various parties?
Who allowed a subordinate to perpetuate the Armageddon scenario in the hope of scaring SFA member clubs into allowing Sevco/Rangers into the top tier of the SFL?
Who allowed a subordinate to publically and consistently undervalue the Scottish game in the midst of negotiating a major media rights contract to the severe detriment of the finances of the game in Scotland?
Who had the power to procrastinate, obfuscate and ignore any questioning of the activities of Rangers, The Rangers and the governing bodies by the general public?
Who had the power to call a halt to all these shenanigans at any point during the saga by simply applying the agreed rules without fear or favour, yet chose not to do so?
Who still refuses to publically declare that The Rangers is a new club, possibly to the financial detriment of creditors of the old Rangers?
I could go on but I think you get the point. In my humble opinion, the answers to these questions lead us directly to the identity of the ‘smoking gun’ in the cover-up of this conspiracy, the gatekeeper to many of the key people and facts behind the Rangers conspiracy and the one person who has continually used his powers in order to deflect, defer and delay any proper investigation into the decades-long debacle.
From the moment Sir David Murray realised the inevitability of Rangers FC going into administration the planning would have begun in earnest. As soon as those well dressed officers of the City of London Police raided fortress Ibrox back in July 2007 to investigate some dodgy transfer dealings, Sir Murray of the Mint knew that they would pass any information retrieved regarding Rangers Tax affairs to HMRC (who, funnily enough, take an interest in that sort of thing and will pay handsomely for incriminating evidence).
Realising that his number was up (the EBTs were only beneficial as long as they remained hidden from the authorities), his first port of call would no doubt have been to his ‘placeman’ in the SFA, our old pal and apparently the pure bestest administrator in the entire universe ever, Campbell Ogilvie.
The fact that this man still occupies the highest position in the Scottish game despite being ‘heavily conflicted’ and despite being ‘unable to do his job properly’ is absolutely astonishing. That our mainstream media fail to see the significance of his role in the Rangers shambles and don’t ever question him stinks of complicity, conspiracy and corruption.
J Edgar Hoover famously noted that “The individual can become handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
We need to be looking through all the smoke and mirrors, ignore (by ignore I mean let it be dealt with seperately) all the chaff about racist outbursts, Walter resigning, McCoist walking away BLAAAAAAHHH.
THE focus should be on Craig White still being involved at the club when it was stipulated that the Rangers would only be allowed entry to the SFL if White had nothing to do with the club.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
Licence revoked.
Not sure Johnston had an official position with the huns when he said NS,think it was on a BBC/Mark Daly type show.
Weeminger
Maybe my memory is clouded with all that’s going on but i thought the quote was along the lines of … To use a well known phrase around here no surrender.
Saying that I’m on day 5 with no fags and as grumpy as a rangers share holder.
If Challs NS comment was buried by Clyde until now,look no further than Clyde’s Head of News & Sport,Portadown’s own Lorraine Herbison,she has previous on a few issues lately.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
at 06.34
macjay1 – to be fair I would agree with Speirs a person who uses the terms “darkie” and “wog” is a “prick” and a racist one at that.
I would completely agree that “tarrier” and “taig” are racist terms as well but fenian is only offensive in the context used. Many proud Irish nationalists would describe themselves as Fenians would they not?
Charity begins at home
http://alzipratu.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/rangers-charity-foundation/
So what Servconian scandal has been scheduled for today then ?
Has Bomber done his pre weekend interview yet ?
Will someone give a definitive answer to his question please !
Bawsman
09:29 on
12 April, 2013
We need to be looking through all the smoke and mirrors, ignore (by ignore I mean let it be dealt with seperately) all the chaff about racist outbursts, Walter resigning, McCoist walking away BLAAAAAAHHH.
THE focus should be on Craig White still being involved at the club when it was stipulated that the Rangers would only be allowed entry to the SFL if White had nothing to do with the club.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
Licence revoked.
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Emmm slight problem with that solution they are playing in an ‘Alex Salmonds paradise’ The team of “Blood of our blood, Bone of our bone” have a different set of rules applied.
Who’s goat ra deeds ? Showuz ra deeds ?
Mmmm ——-
” I thought Collum was dreadful but the Scottish guys at Dortmund v Malaga were worse . Have a look at Dortmund’s winner ——- how can that happen ” ?
Vladimir Petkovic – Manager of Lazio 11 4 2013
“Financially it is as robust as any football club in the UK, isn’t it?
“I’d say he has turned Rangers into the most cash rich, stable club in the whole of the UK.”
No wonder they are in the grubber again if this is the quotes from the Commercial Director of a football club losing £1m+ per month from a literal clean sheet 6 months ago.
South of Tunis-I enjoy your Italian football anecdotes,do they know the background of the Scottish officials mentor,and UEFA Referees Officer?
So now we have the cops piling in through the doors, the manager admitting he is at war with his chief executive, the chief executive admitting he colluded with Whyte during his own takeover, not to mention being hauled up on a charge of racism by the SFA, a player sacked after being hoaxed by some obsessive internet extremist, a chief scout being bulleted and wrongly accused of malpractice, a physio axed without the manager’s consent. And, not forgetting, the possibility of a dispute with the SFA over whether or not the club should be allowed to operate at all.
FROM JINGLE JANGLE.”OBSESSIVE INTERNET EXTREMEST”come on TOMMY GOLD challenge him to a live debate for an hour on your radio site.
Rieperman
09:28 on 12 April, 2013
The flaw in that article is that it assumes that Minty was in control.
He wasn’t. The bank were calling the tune.
oglach
09:36 on
12 April, 2013
Bawsman
09:29 on
12 April, 2013
We need to be looking through all the smoke and mirrors, ignore (by ignore I mean let it be dealt with seperately) all the chaff about racist outbursts, Walter resigning, McCoist walking away BLAAAAAAHHH.
THE focus should be on Craig White still being involved at the club when it was stipulated that the Rangers would only be allowed entry to the SFL if White had nothing to do with the club.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
Licence revoked.
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Emmm slight problem with that solution they are playing in an ‘Alex Salmonds paradise’ The team of “Blood of our blood, Bone of our bone” have a different set of rules applied.
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I have VERY strong views on Scottish Nationalists & Scottish Nationalism but I berate others for spouting political propaganda on football message boards so will keep schtoom on what the Samond and his sectarian stormtroopers are up to mate.
favourite uncle-cracked crest anyone?
From good old Hateley…… A classic
“Everyone must perform at their peak and that’s the harsh reality of the challenge of working at the sharpest edge of the game.”
So Division 3 of the SFL is now the sharpest edge of the game.
Pure comedy gold from the gift that keeps on giving.
Was AJ maybe already the ex-chairman when that NS phrase was used by him in a Mark Daly interview?
From Rhebel Rhebel via twitter.
Has Longmuir & Ballantyne joined the Sevco board? – http://t.co/z2GUblyXYV once again no help for spot the ball competition
Embdae fancy swapping a Limited Edition Tennents Extra Black Celtic jersey(Juventus one) medium size never worn,for a current 125 white away jersey,must be new
Gumtreecsc
Was Ballantyne at the Linfield bigotfest or Thistle v Morton SFL 1 Decider?
Henr1k – and Andy Cameron?
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar.
07:05 on 12 April, 2013
So Chunky Green not only up on racist charges with SFA but now for use of “No Surrender” as aired at end of interview with Chris McLaughlin on SSB Monday night.
Strange thing is though – interview was recorded back in September last year!
Why did SSB sit on it?
Why air it now?
Media manipulation of Hunnery proportions at work now to rid themselves of Green & Whyte nights.
MWD
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A determined Sevcovian was at pains to point out that Chuckles said this a long time ago when my work colleague said it was despicable that a man from Yorskshire uttered such words. The TRUTH always wins.
Radio Clyde, as we all know, are NOW complicit and discredited just like that entire …… ;))
Shifty Sands.
http://bible.cc/matthew/12-25.htm
We are instructed to Pray and not Prey ( © ) Mags for everyone that hurts us.
Blessed are the…..
I love this song so much….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOwYh_NUDI
We need DOUBLE the numbers at the next FAC rally, if only for the sing songs going away from the venue. These are truly amazing moments.
And please let Thatcher Rest in Peace, she wanted to get into an elite Club. That is a Hellish Club to get into anyway.
Why has Jangle Jackson suddenly grown a pair? Who is giving him all his info?
Looks like the internet bampots were right again, there is no £22M sitting in any rangers bank account…
Ernie Lynch,
The bank were calling the tune up to a point. They’ve had their money. What interest had they in the fate of Rangers beyond that?
So Chuckles will walk away from his no surrender outburst, it’s an absolute disgrace.
I think once our fans have dealt with FAC we need to start a campaign to get that corrupt lot at the SFA removed from office once and for all.