We now know that Craig Whyte met Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping, directors of the SPL, in London in October 2011 and informed them of the likelihood that Rangers would go into liquidation. Whyte’s plan, to start a Newco and have it parachuted into top flight football was only taken seriously as a result of these three having a head start on everyone else and doing some preparatory work.
Charles Green has no such plans. If he loses Ibrox, becomes embroiled in IPO-related troubles or fails to bridge the gap between money-in and money-out, an unplanned liquidation could follow with a potentially protracted period where physical assets are moribund and playing assets and other staff are released.
The SPL and SFL would do well to consider ‘what next?’ when they hold separate meetings next week. The century-old ways are gone, things will never be the same again.
I’m really pleased the aforementioned Charlie issued an apology for his offending comments, even if he did so under duress from the SFA. This kind of rhetoric has taken control within football in some European countries. Once the door is open it is hard to close it again.
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good morning internet bampots
hope the old bean counters are keeping up to date with the football debts from
oldco/ newco
they were given a licence if they payed all football debts
walter smith scotland to newco compensation?
(sfa are still sorting it out ?)
fine for craig whyte unfit person to run football club £200,000
(set up sevco 5088 with green)
LNS unproper registration on player £ 250,000
(debt from oldco)
court case costs from LNS £500,000
(debt owed to spl)
near on £1 million that will have been forgot about by the sfa/spl
never mind let sevco have another licence without audited account
every other club in scotland pays thieir debts to keep the sfa/spl running
why should they allow a new club another licence?
jam67
Bawsman
09:55 on
12 April, 2013
oglach
09:36 on
12 April, 2013
Bawsman
09:29 on
12 April, 2013
We need to be looking through all the smoke and mirrors, ignore (by ignore I mean let it be dealt with seperately) all the chaff about racist outbursts, Walter resigning, McCoist walking away BLAAAAAAHHH.
THE focus should be on Craig White still being involved at the club when it was stipulated that the Rangers would only be allowed entry to the SFL if White had nothing to do with the club.
BOOM!!!!!!!!!!
Licence revoked.
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Emmm slight problem with that solution they are playing in an ‘Alex Salmonds paradise’ The team of “Blood of our blood, Bone of our bone” have a different set of rules applied.
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I have VERY strong views on Scottish Nationalists & Scottish Nationalism but I berate others for spouting political propaganda on football message boards so will keep schtoom on what the Samond and his sectarian stormtroopers are up to mate.
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Very Valid point you raise regarding football blogs and politics however I would agrue that the treatment of RFC and subsequently Sevco FC when compared to other football teams in the same country has been politically motivated and as such is open to debate on a football blog .
I see that big Vic’s red card has been rescinded. So that’s official confirmation that we had a man wrongly sent off and a penalty wrongly given against us in the St Mirren game.
Wanyama, Samaras, Mulgrew and Kayal are all one cup booking away from missing the final, if we get there. A few must be careful on Sunday.
I’m not surprised Chuckles is getting away with his No Surrender comment. Mind you, judging by the open season on him in the press his days here are numbered, and I won’t be surprised if he’s knifed in the back by his ‘friend’ Imran. Let’s face it, anything’s possible over in the Sevconian darklands.
Just seen Sun article and Ahmad admits to knowing Whyte as far back as 2007!
lol!
Michael
00:47 on
12 April, 2013
Back from watching Dr Faustus tonight.
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Me too.
Siobhan Redmomd was in great form …………………. and shape.
“Contrary to a couple of hopelessly ill-informed reports, McCoist did not deny having been told this by Green. He denied entering into discussions about it which is entirely different.”
Dear oh dear – nit-picking or what!
Looks like Jabba’s on the leak in there though.
IMO Chuck Green’s ‘no surrender’ comment isn’t sectarian in the least. It may pander to those of a sectarian mind set within the Sevco support but in itself can’t be construed as offensive.
However Imagine if PL or NFL went on air and said Tiocfaidh ár lá in relation to Celtic FC – we can be assured bedlam would quickly ensue.
Once chuckles goes get ready for the “It was one rogue director acting in isolation” argument being rolled out in mitigation, once again.
Morning all. Winter has made what I hope is it’s final appearance of the year down here. Is it still warm and sunny for Tims with regard to all things down Govan way?
Did anybody explain to RogueLeader what’s wrong with ‘No surrender’. I’d quite like that clarified too.
Keith ‘Jonny Come Lately’ Jackson seems to have taken a dislike to events at his beloved Ibrox.
Writing must surely be on the wall when that is happening.
The Rangers Born 2012 Dying 2013. They leave behind a glorious history of one 4th tier Scottish League title won on a playing staff wage bill that would make an SPL chairman squirm.
Glorious stuff.
I see at least 2 lamenting Chuckle’s getting away with “No Surrender”.
Perhaps they can answer what is wrong with saying that?
Isn’t No Surrender the war cry of the Belfast Brigade??
Parkheadcumsalford
geoff winter?
I had hoped he’d made his last appearance yonks ago.:)
! ! Bada Bing !! @ 09 48.
Yes !.
Many Italians have a very cynical view re power and authority. UEFA have power and authority re European football . In consequence many Italians have a very cynical view of UEFA..
There has been much comment re incompetent Scottish Officials being given big European games. . Why ?.
There was similar interest in Norwegian Officials being given the Real Madrid Galatasaray game.————-Why ?
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon
10:29 on 12 April, 2013
I see that big Vic’s red card has been rescinded. So that’s official confirmation that we had a man wrongly sent off and a penalty wrongly given against us in the St Mirren game.
Wanyama, Samaras, Mulgrew and Kayal are all one cup booking away from missing the final, if we get there. A few must be careful on Sunday.
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The referee better be careful, IMO.
The times are a changin, domestically at least.
I think everyone should appreciate the Referee (giving his time for a tenner), irrespective of his performance, all the way up the ladder.
We are [Focus]ing on the wrong targets, it is so obvious corruption is swimming through Scotland as well as the “Free Western society”.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1824376/posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OckMBQFgs
I would have to say that there is very little difference between saying “No Surrender” and “No Pasaran” only context. We can choose to be offended sometimes.
Chuckles using “No Surrender” is a transparent and embarrassing sop to the lowest common denominator within their support. He will know less about the history of it than I do. Much like his “bigotry” comment at the start of the season that landed him in soapy bubble. Gallery playing.
However as far as I was aware “No Surrender” was about the Siege of Derry which for them was a pretty big part of their history and heritage. I am on the opposite side of that divide however I respect their right to commemorate parts of their history in words or song even if that sentiment is rarely reciprocated in this country.
He is guilty of being an avarice driven loud mouthed cretin but not guilty of using a sectarian term in my opinion.
weeminger
10:44 on 12 April, 2013
‘Did anybody explain to RogueLeader what’s wrong with ‘No surrender’. I’d quite like that clarified too.’
It’s dog whistle stuff appealing to loyalist sectarianism and bigotry.
No Surrender was the War cry of the 1st Cork Brigade. I got into trouble posting the song on here after Natasoola snitched on me. The Belfast Brigade stole our song.
Afternoon bhoys from a sunny hun free mountain valley.
Googled No Surrender, and came across this on e bay, scroll down the page.
Some amount of huns out there
Programme on bbc1 now ‘You’ve Been Scammed’. Can’t be about thems now can it?
I’m sure Green is not a student of Irish politics or perhaps I’ve got him wrong and he does make a study of Edward Carson’s speeches:Is the Ibrox covenant next?
Once again he reaches out to the baser elements of their support just like his orange top stunt and other ridiculous things he said on his road-show; the humongous fan-base; the lies about the Cowboys and Man Utd…
We’ve also had the disgraceful racist language.
Sometimes you get what you deserve in this life; I wonder how much criticism he receives about his actions from their support?
Jabba must be loving his new job.
Oops forgot the link
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Chelsea-Headhunters-No-Surrender-Hooligan-t-shirt-
Humble Pie on Friday, April 12, 2013 at 00:04
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Hanlon’s Razor
What if the mainstream media hack pack were actually right all along and we are all just obsessed and imagining all these ‘outrageous conspiracy theories’ surrounding the death and rebirth of Rangers?
What if everything happened just as they described it and there really are no secret agendas or cover-ups involved in this fiasco?
How else might we explain the multitude of ‘headcracking’ examples of fiscal, corporate and professional lunacy we have been witness to throughout this debacle, particularly from such formerly venerable institutions as MIM, RFC, the SFA, D&P, Ticketus, Cenkos and the MSM?
Is it possible that the increasingly long list of unorthodox decisions and endless delays as well as the many ‘bizarre coincidences’ surrounding the folks and proceedings at Ibrox and Hampden could all just be ‘honest mistakes’. Taken individually, of course they could. However when you join the dots, these events taken together show all the classic hallmarks of a long-planned, multi-layered conspiracy and cover up in operation.
Noam Chomsky, philosopher, scholar, political writer and activist, defines ‘conspiracy theory’ as being the opposite of ‘institutional analysis’ which prefers to look at the public, long-standing misbehaviour of institutions, as recorded in official documents or mainstream media reports rather than being the work of secretive coalitions of individuals.
I suppose, on the face of it, this could provide a rational explanation for the consistent confusion, rampant misrepresentation and the systemic aversion to the truth displayed all the way through this mockery of a sham. The problem with that theory arises when we realise that many of the ‘officials’ and the mainstream media reporters appear to be in on the scam, so gathering information from those sources will likely yield little of benefit to any investigation.
Perhaps we should apply Hanlon’s Razor to the situation i.e. “Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.”
In fact, simple stupidity and bewilderment appear to be the favoured justification for the (in)actions of all the prime suspects in the Rangers downfall. “I was duped” says Mr Murray, “I didn’t know, nobody told me” says Mr Smith, “It was never my role” says Mr Ogilvie, “That’s what his PR people told us” says Mr Jackson, “It’s the first I’ve heard of it” says Mr McCoist.
Seriously though, I find it very hard to believe that so many seemingly intelligent, worldly-wise and ordinarily prudent individuals could have been so easily deceived by such transparently ‘dodgy’ characters as Craig Whyte and Charles Green.
How come we, illiterate internet bampots, were able to see through all the blatant lies and bluster proffered by these shysters to disguise their own obvious failings, while the Jacksons and Keevins’ of this world appeared to be entirely convinced by the veracity of every one of their lame utterances?
Either they are asking the wrong questions to the wrong people or they have absolutely no interest in untangling this well-woven web of deceit?
Given the sluggish (do you see what I did there?) progress of both the governing bodies and the investigative authorities in responding to the dodgy dealings at Rangers, there was a real danger that the chief culprits behind this debacle might actually live long enough to get away with it. In fact, if it hadn’t been for rangerstaxcase.com, Phil Mac and a few notable others, I have no doubt that they would have.
I am convinced that the forensic analysis of the facts and figures on RTC and now on TSFM is helping to accelerate a proper investigation into this sordid affair. Much of the new found determination of STV and The Daily Record to get to the bottom of this scandal appears to stem from the education they have received freely from these pages.
Whilst I wouldn’t want to take the JFK conspiracy analogy too far (for obvious reasons) I believe there is a valuable lesson to be learned from that ‘incomplete’ investigation.
Investigators into the JFK assassination concluded that:
“The single biggest clue to any assassination is to determine who had the power to call off or reduce the normal security measures.”
Whilst this person, may not be the prime instigator of the plot, their action or inaction makes them complicit in the crime (a conspirator, if you will) and they would certainly know where their orders came from.
So, what were the ‘normal security measures’ in the case of Rangers financial collapse and ‘who had the power to call off or reduce’ these measures?
Apart from corporate due diligence and fiscal responsibility, the only systems that are in place to prevent a football club tripping over the ‘fiscal cliff’ are the rules and regulations of the game as set down by the SFA, UEFA and ultimately FIFA.
These rules exist to ensure fair play among all participants in the sport, to mitigate the risk of the entire game being brought into disrepute and include the requirement for the submission of annual audited accounts and players contracts from all member clubs/companies.
In order to maintain these established rules and procedures and to discourage deviance, the rules have to be properly enforced ‘without fear or favour’.
With this in mind, let’s ask ourselves these questions.
Who had the power to ignore Rangers’ illegitimate implementation of EBTs (as per their SFA submitted documents) knowing this to be contrary to the SFA rules regarding players registrations?
Who was responsible for rubber stamping Rangers UEFA licenses for a number of years despite patently failing to meet the necessary criteria due to ongoing disputes with the tax authorities?
Who turned a blind eye to Rangers continuing to spend beyond their means (ignoring the contingent liabilities placed on them by their disputed tax bills) thus ensuring that they were able to fulfil their SPL fixtures in 2011/12 season?
Who was responsible for the shambolic implementation of the ‘fit and proper person’ test which allowed Craig Whyte to buy the club from David Murray, despite his well documented history of shady business dealings?
Who was then suddenly able to successfully implement this same test once the dirty deed had been done and consequently declare Mr Whyte neither fit nor proper, after the fact?
Who has subsequently utilised this same test to find Mr Charles Green (a self-confessed liar and conman) to be passed as both fit and proper to run a Scottish football club?
Who had the power to apply significant financial sanctions for ‘bringing the game into disrepute’ to an individual who they knew would not be compelled to pay the fine, while, simultaneously, minimising sanctions applied to the ‘club’ itself?
Who delegated their powers to another autonomous body and private company (SPL) to take control of the duel contract enquiry, gaining Sevco Scotland the time required to engineer the transfer of Rangers SFA membership?
Who sent their Registration Officer to the subsequent LNS enquiry to argue that ‘All women are pregnant’ that no sporting advantage was conferred by fiddling the taxpayer for multi-millions of pounds over a 10 year period.
Who proposed the ‘transfer of membership’ between an old company (Rangers FC PLC) and a new company (Sevco Scotland Ltd) instead of a new membership being granted, allowing Sevco to claim that they are in fact a continuation of the old Rangers?
Who was in a position to orchestrate the new fangled ‘conditional membership’ which allowed Sevco to play their first game in SFL3 despite not having full membership of the SFA?
Who had the power to delay the commencement of a player registration embargo until after the transfer window closed allowing Sevco to sign a number of new players despite not having paid all their football debts?
Who has the power to suppress the notorious five-way agreement detailing the obligations of the various parties?
Who allowed a subordinate to perpetuate the Armageddon scenario in the hope of scaring SFA member clubs into allowing Sevco/Rangers into the top tier of the SFL?
Who allowed a subordinate to publically and consistently undervalue the Scottish game in the midst of negotiating a major media rights contract to the severe detriment of the finances of the game in Scotland?
Who had the power to procrastinate, obfuscate and ignore any questioning of the activities of Rangers, The Rangers and the governing bodies by the general public?
Who had the power to call a halt to all these shenanigans at any point during the saga by simply applying the agreed rules without fear or favour, yet chose not to do so?
Who still refuses to publically declare that The Rangers is a new club, possibly to the financial detriment of creditors of the old Rangers?
I could go on but I think you get the point. In my humble opinion, the answers to these questions lead us directly to the identity of the ‘smoking gun’ in the cover-up of this conspiracy, the gatekeeper to many of the key people and facts behind the Rangers conspiracy and the one person who has continually used his powers in order to deflect, defer and delay any proper investigation into the decades-long debacle.
From the moment Sir David Murray realised the inevitability of Rangers FC going into administration the planning would have begun in earnest. As soon as those well dressed officers of the City of London Police raided fortress Ibrox back in July 2007 to investigate some dodgy transfer dealings, Sir Murray of the Mint knew that they would pass any information retrieved regarding Rangers Tax affairs to HMRC (who, funnily enough, take an interest in that sort of thing and will pay handsomely for incriminating evidence).
Realising that his number was up (the EBTs were only beneficial as long as they remained hidden from the authorities), his first port of call would no doubt have been to his ‘placeman’ in the SFA, our old pal and apparently the pure bestest administrator in the entire universe ever, Campbell Ogilvie.
The fact that this man still occupies the highest position in the Scottish game despite being ‘heavily conflicted’ and despite being ‘unable to do his job properly’ is absolutely astonishing. That our mainstream media fail to see the significance of his role in the Rangers shambles and don’t ever question him stinks of complicity, conspiracy and corruption.
J Edgar Hoover famously noted that “The individual can become handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”
ernie lynch
11:01 on
12 April, 2013
RogueLeader put far more eloquently what I would have said about it straight before you.
WHO is making the bullets for Jangle Jangle to fire at Green ?
And a completely unrelated question
Who was that wee RST runt that Jangle used to sit in the setanta studio with and lick?
For decades they tried to belittle us. They called us paranoid and obsessed in conspiracy theories. Blatantly bias decisions were called honest mistakes. We were ridiculed when we knew we were right.
Events of the last year has seen us vindicated. The corrupt have been exposed. It started with Farry and ended with Jabba, the Sfa and Rfc. We now laugh at them, and our biggest and last has still to come.
Hh
The time is approaching when Celtic need to put in a vote of no confidence in the SFA. They are inept at best. They are totally useless or totally corrupt. Perhaps even both!
We have had the Dougie, Dougie incident. The referee strike. Shocking decisions ‘honest mistakes’. The shambles that is Rangers. A man who has run two clubs in finanical difficulties running the show. One of these clubs used illegal payments and he benefited from them. George Peat who ran Airdrie into the ground.
The SFA needs to be sorted out and Fergus McCann recognised that from day one and got rid of one of the cronies but they just replace them with like minded individuals.
The referee’s have been highlighted across Europe now as being totallt out of their depth to referee in high pressure situations. I’m sure the SFA will blame the lack of O** F*** matches. They seem to blame everything they get wrong on the lack of Rangers in the top league.
Celtic have to take a lead on this. There is no doubt that over the years we have been the victim of more administrative errors and honest mistkes than anyone and if the club want to hold onto some of the season ticket holders who may be thinking about doing something else on a Saturday this would be a good way to keep them.
We don’t expect our club to fight everyone but with the decisions this week that Wanyama should not have been red carded and the St Mirren striker being punished for taking a dive it would appear that even without Rangers in the top league it’s far from a level playing field!
LB
If the evidence that Whyte is/was involved is irrefutable, Sevco’s licence may well have to be revoked but I imagine the revocation will be suspended for one year. :-)
Well, if Campbell has anything to do with it….and he will.
also in the hun
We told on Sunday how Whyte said he had paid £137,500 into the bank account of Ahmad’s mum to mask his role in the buyout.
Rangers confirmed the cash was paid into the account and claimed it was so they could shield their dealings with him as they tried to keep him onside.
But Ahmad, 43, hit back: “How in the world is £137,000 in the scheme of a £35million deal used to push the deal through?
“We don’t even know if that money is from Craig Whyte. We’ve spoken to my mother’s bank and they say, ‘Sorry, we can’t say’. He’s been asked to recall it so many times. However, he is not returning anyone’s phone calls or emails.”
Ahmad added: “The truth will come out. Lawyers in Scotland and England are dealing with this.
“Hopefully everyone who has been throwing accusations around will have the decency to apologise at the end.”
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how would craig whyte find out ahmads mothers bank details?
(the only way i would know my mother bank details would be to ask her jam67)
why would craig whyte deposit £137,500 in ahmads mums account?
( ffs i cound not even put £13.75 into my mums account without a good reason jam67)
ps only get pocket money off the wife;-)))))))
you could not mark their necks with a blow tourch
ever time green and ahmad speak they dig a bigger hole
malolm murray and some on the sevco board must know whats in the bank
because when the poo hits the fan
they will be as responsible as a group
jam67
Phew !!! that’s me caught up to page 21.
I will say it again …………………….i’d rather sit next to an empty seat than that Nastooola dude.
Headtheball
Correct, Ogilvies work is not over yet.
Every day he stays in office is a victory for them and corruption(IMHO)
It would be really funny if Sally was stripped of ‘his greatest ever achievement’. I mean every coach wants a Third division title on their CV.
ComicalAllymuststay CSC
tim tanium at 09:34 on 12 April, 2013
But we’re all taigs aren’t we?
The term taig is a synecdoche derived from the Irish male given name Tadhg, which is commonly translated as Tim. The name Tadhg was once so common as an Irish name that the name itself came synonymous with the typical Irishman in a the same way that Paddy or Mick might be today.
corkcelt,
Apologies to the Cork Brigade!
RogueLeader
I agree with you. No Surrender doesn’t bother me. It’s an empty saying just like We are the people.
What has always amazed me about Rangers is that they have no historic ties to the area of the world that they sing about. People in Northern Ireland support Rangers for one reason. It’s because we have supporters there and they are supporting the other team. Celtic at least have links in Ireland. Rangers have no links to that part of the world. They have made the links to make cash out of the bigots.
LB