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We now know that Craig Whyte met Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping, directors of the SPL, in London in October 2011 and informed them of the likelihood that Rangers would go into liquidation.  Whyte’s plan, to start a Newco and have it parachuted into top flight football was only taken seriously as a result of these three having a head start on everyone else and doing some preparatory work.

Charles Green has no such plans.  If he loses Ibrox, becomes embroiled in IPO-related troubles or fails to bridge the gap between money-in and money-out, an unplanned liquidation could follow with a potentially protracted period where physical assets are moribund and playing assets and other staff are released.

The SPL and SFL would do well to consider ‘what next?’ when they hold separate meetings next week.  The century-old ways are gone, things will never be the same again.

I’m really pleased the aforementioned Charlie issued an apology for his offending comments, even if he did so under duress from the SFA.  This kind of rhetoric has taken control within football in some European countries.  Once the door is open it is hard to close it again.
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  1. vale bhoy

     

    11:48 on

     

    12 April, 2013

     

    Basic arithmetic would suggest that £137k is half of the £250k

     

     

    Eh?

     

    ====

     

    I blame Kafolik skools i do.

  2. The Battered Bunnet on

    I read Iain King’s column in the Sun on the Sandaza/Tommy story.

     

     

    Like many on here, I was uncomfortable with Tommy singling out a regular footballer for the hoax treatment, when previously he has targetted people who are in a position of influence behind some of the biggest stories in the game.

     

     

    Iain King goes after Tommy in strong terms, and is very clear that in his view, Sandaza was sacked because of what Tommy did, Tommy being a low life for doing so. King does not consider the approach adopted by the Sevco management in his discussion of the outcome for Sandaza.

     

     

    Leaving that aside, there is a rather incongrous “Glass Houses” reflection on Iain King and The Sun, given News International’s long and discredited use of similar techniques. Let’s not forget than a number of NI executives are currently facing criminal procedings associated with unlawful and contemptible ‘news gathering’ practices.

     

     

    From phone tapping to corrupting public officials, from publishing Craig Whyte’s recorded converstations last week, to the nasty sting carried out on John Higgins, The Sun and its associated publications have demonstrated over many years that the means of getting the story should not be coloured by ethics or moral judgement.

     

     

    In condemning Tommy as “a thoroughly cynical and nasty individual” Mr King should perhaps reflect that he tars himself and his colleagues with the same brush.

  3. swatson Neil Lennon's 6ft skinny twin! on

    livibhoy

     

     

    11:42 on

     

    12 April, 2013

     

     

    How depressingly true!

     

     

    But if none of the football clubs chairman will do it why don’t the fans do it?

  4. Radio Clyde News ‏@RadioClydeNews 27m

     

    The #SFA have confirmed to Clyde News there is no intention of asking Charles Green to explain ‘no surrender’ comments.

     

    Retweeted by Scotzine

     

     

     

    You can all relax now guys.

  5. Heart of Midlothian Football Club today

     

    outlines in detail the new proposed

     

    league structure for the professional

     

    game in Scotland.

     

    The Board of the club will support the

     

    proposals for positive changes to the

     

    game in this country.

     

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    Hearts believes, as one of the most

     

    established and largest clubs in Scottish

     

    football, that it has a responsibility to the

     

    game in this country and that the new

     

    proposed 12-12-18 structure, while by no

     

    means perfect, delivers a series of

     

    important improvements. These are

     

    improvements we, along with many other

     

    clubs and their supporters, have lobbied

     

    for in recent years. It is incumbent on us

     

    to deliver change for the game as a whole

     

    and in turn improve the longer term

     

    prospects of all clubs, at all levels, within

     

    the game.

     

    Most notably, the new structure will

     

    provide:

     

    – increased competition amongst the top

     

    24 professional clubs in Scotland with

     

    almost every game at every stage in the

     

    season having value to spectators,

     

    broadcasters and sponsors.

     

    – fairer distribution of wealth across

     

    teams in all leagues. The top two

     

    positions alone in the current SPL will

     

    give up £1 million in prize money in order

     

    to facilitate a new 24 team professional

     

    league in Scotland.

     

    – increased financial protection for

     

    relegated clubs from the SPL.

     

    – one merged organisation superseding

     

    the SPL and SFL to run league football

     

    – the introduction of a true pyramid

     

    system – featuring promotion and

     

    relegation play offs at all levels – for

     

    Scottish football rewarding ambitious

     

    teams while protecting those that are

     

    more “community / regionally” focussed.

     

    The Q&A below explains more about why

     

    Hearts will vote in favour of change for

     

    Scottish football. Hearts wants you to

     

    have a clear picture of the importance of

     

    committing to these changes. We can now

     

    present the positive detail and we hope

     

    that supporters will see the opportunity in

     

    adopting a new approach to the game. As

     

    such, we are rejecting the status quo

     

    which is no longer adequate in meeting

     

    the needs of the nation’s game.

     

    There is only one possible opportunity for

     

    change in the game after years of

     

    deliberation, discussion and negotiation.

     

    QUESTION AND ANSWER

     

    League models based on 10, 14, 16, 18

     

    and 20 teams have been examined, as

     

    well as the current 12-team model. What

     

    were found to be the drawbacks of each?

     

    Structures with a smaller number of clubs

     

    have proved to be undeliverable (i.e. the

     

    clubs will not vote in sufficient numbers

     

    to reduce their number). Additionally, this

     

    would not be of interest to supporters who

     

    would rather see more games against

     

    different clubs if possible.

     

    Structures with a larger number of clubs

     

    do not provide the required number of

     

    league matches (i.e. there are too few

     

    league matches), do not deliver improved

     

    commercial opportunities, can lead to

     

    more meaningless (and therefore less

     

    attractive to fans) matches and would

     

    have a negative impact on the revenues of

     

    clubs from both match day and central

     

    sources.

     

    On average it would costs Hearts

     

    £250,000 minimum lost revenue per

     

    home game. So, for example, the 16-team

     

    league would result in a loss of more than

     

    £1 million to Hearts in ticket revenue

     

    alone based on a 30-game season with

     

    teams playing each other home and away

     

    once.

     

    Why not keep it the same then? Why

     

    change?

     

    Change is constant. Over the last eight

     

    seasons, more than half of the European

     

    leagues have changed their league

     

    format. It doesn’t mean it is always right

     

    but we do believe that there are some very

     

    compelling reasons to change as we

     

    outlined above.

     

    But we should also ask – ‘What happens if

     

    we don’t change’? Crowds are dropping

     

    at games, audience figures are dropping

     

    with broadcasters and commercial

     

    income is dropping as a result of both

     

    these factors. Quality on the pitch is being

     

    affected by the pressure on clubs’

     

    revenues and we are in real danger of

     

    speeding up the demise of the game if we

     

    don’t change to the new model.

     

    In the proposed 12/12 model, how would

     

    the league structure for the top 24 teams

     

    operate?

     

    12 Team ‘Premiership’

     

    – The 12 Premiership clubs each play 22

     

    games in the first half of the season.

     

    – These first 22 games determine which 8

     

    clubs go forward to the ‘Premiership 8’

     

    competition; and which 4 clubs go

     

    forward to the ‘Play-off 8’ competition.

     

    12 Team ‘Championship’

     

    – The 12 Championship clubs each play

     

    22 games in the first half of the season.

     

    The winner is awarded the Championship

     

    trophy.

     

    – These first 22 games determine which 4

     

    clubs go forward to the ‘Play-off 8’

     

    competition; and which 8 clubs go

     

    forward to the ‘Championship 8’

     

    competition.

     

    8-8-8 split

     

    – The ‘Premiership 8’ clubs play off home

     

    and away over the remaining 14 fixture

     

    rounds for the Premiership trophy and

     

    European places.

     

    – The ‘Play-off 8’ clubs play off home and

     

    away over the remaining 14 fixture

     

    rounds for promotion / relegation. Top

     

    four play in the Premiership next season,

     

    bottom four in the Championship.

     

    – The ‘Championship 8′ clubs play off

     

    home and away over the remaining 14

     

    fixture rounds to battle against relegation,

     

    with two automatic relegation places (7th

     

    and 8th place) and a further two play-off

     

    places (5th and 6th place) Sounds like we need a degree in Maths to

     

    understand that! And in English please…

     

    OK. Let’s say it was this season. Hearts

     

    would now be playing in the Play-Off 8

     

    having finished ninth after 22 games this

     

    season.

     

    We’d currently be playing Morton,

     

    Dunfermline, Partick, Livingston, St

     

    Mirren, Ross County and Dundee to retain

     

    our Premiership status.

     

    Effectively it’s a Play-Off League

     

    guaranteeing 14 meaningful games, large

     

    match day crowds, extra TV income and

     

    more associated commercial backing. It

     

    also satisfies those fans who want to see

     

    us play more new teams. And, if as we

     

    hope, we achieve Top 8 status when the

     

    new system is introduced, yes we’ll be

     

    playing the same seven teams home and

     

    away again but we’ll be in the mix for a

     

    European place so again there will be

     

    meaningful games right through until the

     

    end of the season.

     

    But it seems there is an increased risk of

     

    relegation to all but one club in the

     

    current SPL?

     

    That’s one way of looking at it. It is also

     

    true that there is an increased chance of

     

    survival for the team that finishes in 12th

     

    place as they are no longer certain to be

     

    relegated given that the Play-Off 8

     

    provides them with a survival chance.

     

    It’s true, though, there is a greater risk of

     

    relegation for every club in the current

     

    SPL with, being realistic, the exception of

     

    Celtic. This, together with the acceptance

     

    to redistribute base income across 24

     

    clubs as opposed to 12, shows just how

     

    seriously SPL clubs view the need to

     

    change the game as a whole for the

     

    betterment of Scottish football.

     

    Every game in the SPL will matter with

     

    teams 1 to 12, right from the start of the

     

    season, all going for a Top 8 place and

     

    trying to avoid the drop into the Play-Off

     

    8. The Championship will also have

     

    almost every game meaningful with clubs

     

    vying for a top four finish in order to be

     

    promoted into the Play-Off 8.

     

    In any one season up to 4 new teams

     

    could enter the Premiership. Alternatively,

     

    all four Premiership bottom 4 teams have

     

    a chance of surviving.

     

    Will there not be difficulties in playing 22

     

    rounds of fixtures before the New Year

     

    split? What if games are postponed?

     

    Consideration can be given to adjusting

     

    the start date of the season to ensure that

     

    the required number of games have been

     

    played when the split occurs.

     

    It is also possible that additional midweek

     

    fixtures may be scheduled in the summer

     

    and early autumn months to capitalise on

     

    better weather. In an extreme situation it

     

    would be possible to use the period of the

     

    winter break to complete phase one

     

    fixtures.

     

    Better weather! Now there’s a thing, and

     

    what about the chances of summer

     

    football?

     

    This is something that we as a club are

     

    very keen to explore. However, this is a

     

    more general topic and will be dealt with

     

    separately from league reconstruction.

     

    It is Hearts’ view that there is a very

     

    strong case for summer football although,

     

    in reality, it is essentially “four seasons”

     

    football with the season starting in

     

    February or March and ending in

     

    November.

     

    It seems only natural that we should be

     

    playing the majority of our season in the

     

    better weather with lighter evenings and

     

    increase the appeal of live Scottish

     

    football amongst the supporters. The

     

    advantages from an attendance point of

     

    view are one aspect but the footballing

     

    arguments are also paramount and for

     

    those teams competing in the early

     

    rounds of Europe it will be advantageous.

     

    Also the costs of staging a match at

     

    Tynecastle can in theory be reduced due

     

    to less use of under soil heating and

     

    floodlights as well as better ground care

     

    options.

     

    While we’re on the subject, any chance of

     

    more sensible fixture scheduling?

     

    Yes, one of the benefits of the new

     

    proposal is that it allows for regular

     

    fixture scheduling with ideally sequential

     

    home and away matches for the first 22

     

    games and then again for the next 14

     

    games.

     

    The new proposal also allows better

     

    planning of fixtures at the conclusion of

     

    the Premiership and Championship in the

     

    first week in January. This gives

     

    supporters more time to plan their

     

    attendance and related travel and

     

    financial plans for games in the

     

    Premiership 8 or the Play-Off 8.

     

    We’ll also be lobbying for early

     

    announcement on games that are

     

    scheduled for television to allow

     

    supporters more advance notice.

     

    Sounds to me like TV could be calling the

     

    shots again and we’ll be having seven-

     

    night-a-week football.

     

    There has to be a balance struck with the

     

    TV companies and this is an ongoing

     

    discussion with the broadcasters. It will

     

    also be of importance should any other

     

    entrants come in to the Scottish football

     

    broadcast marketplace in the seasons

     

    ahead.

     

    The new proposed league will allow the

     

    game to benefit from potential new

     

    revenues that do not currently exist. This

     

    in turn provides valuable additional

     

    income that is distributed amongst the

     

    clubs. This is guaranteed income which is

     

    crucial for clubs when predicting cash

     

    flow projections for the new season.

     

    There should be no reason, however, why

     

    suitable agreement can’t be reached on

     

    establishing a much better template for

     

    kick-off times that also suits the majority

     

    of supporters and this is something that

     

    Hearts and many other clubs are keen to

     

    secure.

     

    Even so, the footy’s a bit expensive so

     

    surely you’ll need to do something with

     

    the pricing to attract crowds?

     

    It is important to recognise that because

     

    of TV revenues in the game, clubs can

     

    resist increasing season ticket or match

     

    day ticket prices as much as they might

     

    need to in order to maintain a self-

     

    sustainable football club.

     

    Without TV income, Scottish football

     

    clubs and the game in general would be

     

    in a much worse condition. A better

     

    product on the park – which is something

     

    we all want to see – requires funding and

     

    this is why a balance must be struck in

     

    order that supporters can benefit from

     

    football at times and locations that suit

     

    them while also allowing for the

     

    requirements of TV companies

     

    scheduling. We must establish a harmony

     

    between both as both are integral to the

     

    game in this country. Hearts is highly

     

    active in incentivising season ticket sales

     

    and match day ticket sales and we would

     

    plan to continue this. But no club can

     

    balance the books based on ticketing

     

    revenue alone and we do have to work

     

    with many stakeholders to keep the club

     

    competitive in the professional game in

     

    this country.

     

    What about the next 18 clubs below the

     

    top 24? What will the league structure

     

    look like?

     

    The Scottish Football League has

     

    proposed that the remaining 18 senior

     

    clubs should compete in a single division.

     

    18 team ‘First Division’

     

    – The remaining 18 clubs each play 34

     

    games per season. The winner is

     

    awarded the First Division trophy.

     

    – The top two clubs at the end of the

     

    season would be promoted automatically

     

    to the Championship, replacing the two

     

    clubs relegated from the bottom of the

     

    Championship 8.

     

    – Clubs in positions 3 to 6 of the First

     

    Division would play-off against each

     

    other and then against the clubs fifth and

     

    sixth in the Championship 8 for a

     

    possible two additional promotion places.

     

    – The clubs finishing in 17th and 18th

     

    places in the First Division would play-off

     

    against two teams from the leagues

     

    below (from season 2014/2015 onwards)

     

    for possible relegation out of the First

     

    Division.

     

    – The Scottish FA should work with the

     

    East of Scotland League, the South of

     

    Scotland League, the Highland League

     

    and the Juniors to ensure the existence of

     

    a league structure appropriate to the

     

    smooth operation of such play-offs.

     

    One of the key issues with the current

     

    system is that the lion’s share of revenue

     

    generated in Scottish football is

     

    distributed among the top 12 clubs only.

     

    What would financial distributions be

     

    under the 24/18 model?

     

    Key aspects of the new fairer, revised

     

    distribution model include:

     

    – the top two positions in the SPL will

     

    reduce their share of base revenues from

     

    a total 32% to a total 23% equating to

     

    approximately £1m based on historic and

     

    projected figures.

     

    – teams 3 to 8 in the SPL will reduce their

     

    share of base revenues by approximately

     

    7%.

     

    – the team that finishes top of the

     

    Championship (after 22 games) is

     

    projected to earn £387k as opposed to

     

    the £68k it would gain for winning the

     

    current SFL1.

     

    – every team in the Championship will

     

    earn more revenue when compared to the

     

    equivalent position in the current SFL1.

     

    From a competitive point of view, would

     

    clubs who believe they will finish in the

     

    bottom four of the Premiership not just

     

    rest their best players and wait until the

     

    Play-Off 8 to spend money on new

     

    players and make a push for promotion

     

    then?

     

    You can never judge how individual

     

    managers may choose to play. However,

     

    after 22 games this season only five

     

    points separated 5th and 11th place in

     

    the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.

     

    Further, eight teams were within four

     

    points of what would have been the

     

    Premiership 8 points threshold. This

     

    suggests that even in the latter stages

     

    before the split there will be plenty to play

     

    for.

     

    Austria and Switzerland tried similar

     

    systems and both were deemed to be

     

    unsuccessful. Why will it work in

     

    Scotland?

     

    Both countries ran with similar league

     

    systems for a number of years and, whilst

     

    the format proved to be very exciting and

     

    competitive, they have now changed to

     

    smaller ten-team top divisions for other

     

    reasons. Different leagues face different

     

    challenges, and the 12/12 structure has

     

    been designed to address the specific

     

    challenges faced currently by Scottish

     

    football.

     

    What progress has been made to date

     

    and what are the next steps to be taken

     

    to approve league reconstruction?

     

    For the past three years work has been

     

    carried out to examine the issues and

     

    challenges faced by the current set-up,

     

    and the possible operation and benefits of

     

    different structures. This season the key

     

    dates of progress have been:

     

    – 3rd December: an all-club SPL meeting

     

    agreed ‘unanimous in principle’ support

     

    for the 12/12 model, to be discussed with

     

    the SFL and Professional Game Board

     

    (PGB) through the SPL’s Restructuring

     

    Group

     

    – 27th December: a meeting of the PGB

     

    agreed in principle that a 12/12 model

     

    should be examined, including a single

     

    merged league and an all-through

     

    distribution model

     

    – 8th January: a meeting of the PGB

     

    (including the entire SFL Board and six

     

    members of the SPL’s Restructuring

     

    Group) agreed in principle further

     

    refinements, including a revised

     

    governance model and a new all-through

     

    distribution formula, to be taken to clubs

     

    – 28th January: further detail on the

     

    operation of the 12/12 model was

     

    received by an all-club SPL meeting and

     

    again given ‘unanimous in principle’

     

    support

     

    – 31st January: an all-club SFL meeting

     

    overwhelmingly supported the model

     

    being taken forward. The SPL confirmed

     

    that it was entirely comfortable whether

     

    the SFL preferred a 12/12/18 model, or

     

    12/12/10/10.

     

    In order to formally approve any change

     

    to league structure, a new and complete

     

    rule book (see current SPL http://

     

    http://www.scotprem.com/content/

     

    default.asp?page=s43 and SFL http://

     

    http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/thesfl/

     

    constitution/ rule books) has to be

     

    written up for all clubs to formally vote

     

    on. In order to introduce the new structure

     

    at least 11 SPL clubs and 75% of SFL

     

    clubs would be required to vote in favour.

     

    The status quo will remain if this is not

     

    achieved.

     

    Could the 12/12 model be introduced for

     

    next season?

     

    If the SPL and SFL clubs vote in favour,

     

    the 12/12 model will be introduced for the

     

    beginning of season 2013/14.

     

    If the go ahead is given for season

     

    2013/14, what would happen at the end

     

    of this current season?

     

    At end of season 2012/2013:

     

    – The bottom club in the SPL would be

     

    relegated;

     

    – The top club in SFL1 would be

     

    promoted;

     

    – The top club in SFL2 would be

     

    promoted; positions 2, 3, 4 and 5 in SFL2

     

    would play-off for a second promotion

     

    place;

     

    – No relegation from SFL1.

     

    In summary, what would the 12/12

     

    proposals deliver?

     

    The proposals deliver:

     

    – A single merged league

     

    – An all-through distribution model

     

    – Extensive play-offs

     

    – Pyramid

     

    – A new league structure

     

    – Substantial re-distribution of central

     

    revenues

     

    – A fairer governance model

     

    The 12/12 model addresses the key

     

    weaknesses in the current model (i.e. lack

     

    of refreshment in the top tier, lack of

     

    financial support and re-promotion

     

    opportunities for relegated clubs, and the

     

    absence of a pyramid structure).

     

    These proposals, if adopted, will ensure a

     

    dramatic, exciting league, with

     

    meaningful matches at all levels and at

     

    all points in the season.

     

    OK. One last thing though, why has it

     

    taken so long for us to hear the whole

     

    story?

     

    Fair point. The lack of definitive

     

    information has led to much ill-judged

     

    and ill-informed comment, with too much

     

    of the debate centred on the number of

     

    teams in the league rather than the

     

    benefits of the entire new league proposal.

     

    However, it was important that the 12 SPL

     

    clubs established which models would

     

    and wouldn’t be viable in financial terms

     

    for our businesses before presenting the

     

    viable option to supporters.

     

    It was also important to understand which

     

    one could achieve consensus. Consensus

     

    requires an 11-1 vote in favour by SPL

     

    clubs in order for change to be achieved.

     

    Additionally it has been necessary to

     

    discuss viable options with the SFL as we

     

    want to create an “all through” model

     

    which benefits the game as a whole and

     

    creates real value and real competition.

     

    The SFL require to agree by a vote of

     

    22-7 (Rangers can’t vote).

     

    Until there was a realistic chance of this

     

    being achieved there was little point in

     

    presenting any model. There is now broad

     

    consensus after months of discussions

     

    and negotiations although it has to be

     

    stressed no vote has been taken at SPL or

     

    SFL level on the final proposal.

     

    What now?

     

    We hope you will back the right move for

     

    Heart of Midlothian Football Club and

     

    Scottish Football.

     

    As stated at the start of this feature,

     

    Hearts accepts its challenge in turning

     

    Scottish football round and we as a club

     

    are prepared to take a step forward – as

     

    we have done on many previous

     

    occasions when big decisions were

     

    required and leadership needed to be

     

    shown.

     

    We want you to support us on this

     

    challenge and this is why we’d ask you to

     

    support the club as it votes ‘YES’ to

     

    change on 15th April.

     

    Remember the only other option is the

     

    status quo – our 12-team SPL as it

     

    currently stands.

  6. swatson Neil Lennon’s 6ft skinny twin!

     

     

    I think the supporters are fighting enough fronts at the moment. Not sure what they could actually do. A member club however giving a vote of no confidence in the organisation who run the game in their country would actually get things moving.

     

    I think they need to state their reasons and I suspect there is a lot more evidence than I have listed. I haven’t even mentioned Hugh Dallas and who knows who else got that email and commented on it. I would go as far as raising that point with UEFA who appear happy to employ him.

     

     

    The murky world of Scottish football. It’s amazing we were allowed to win anything. As my old man used to say we have to be twice as good as everyone to win anything. It appears to be truer today than it was when he said it 30 years ago.

     

     

    LB

  7. swatson Neil Lennon's 6ft skinny twin! on

    livibhoy

     

     

    11:56 on

     

    12 April, 2013

     

     

    Would be good if for nothing else to make him squirm! Especially in front of all the ‘esteemed’ guests.

  8. Vale boy

     

     

    i should have been clearer. 50% of £250k is £125k but there would have to be additional costs for the consortium to operate. £125k covers your 50% investment in achieving preferred bidder status. Additional £12.5k consortium running costs.

  9. TenMenWonTheLeague ‏@TenMenWonTheLea 17s

     

    Arsene Wenger calls Craig Thomson’s performance in midweek ‘disastrous and completely unacceptable’. “You can’t defend refereeing like that”

     

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  10. Boring RFC shareprice post – please scroll by.

     

     

    I think we’re starting to see some pre-arranged sells coming through. We’ve had two large-ish trades this morning one for 6.5k shares, the other for 7k shares.

     

     

    The first went through through at 9:58 at a sale price of 69p. The latter occurred at 11.04 at a price of 69.75p.

     

     

    This is the kind of stuff that baffles most people (me included) you expect a bigger sale to occur at a lower price than the first one. However arrangements can be made (an nothing underhand about them) to sell at a certain price if conditions are met eg average share price over preceding days falling below Xp.

     

     

    I know I keep saying it and I keep being proved wrong, but at some point this will snowball.

  11. weeminger

     

     

    I suspect that the majority of investors would take their money back today if offered.

     

     

    LB

  12. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    tooheys new

     

     

    12:06 on 12 April, 2013

     

     

    You should have been a politician ……LOL

  13. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    weeminger

     

     

    12:12 on 12 April, 2013

     

     

    Keep the updates coming…..not boring at all……..!!!!!!!!

  14. vale bhoy

     

    11:19 on

     

    12 April, 2013

     

    jungle jam67

     

    “A £35m deal”

     

    What £35m?

     

    ———————————–

     

    pmsl at the £35 million deal

     

    repost of leftclicktic…….hope u do not mind

     

    We need to tell IA that £137k is 25% of the 10% deposit required of the £5million to buy deadco.

     

    That is why £137k is important in the scheme of things

     

     

    vale bhoy

     

    the whole scam will be paperwork from duff and duffer to sevco5088 or sevco scotland

     

    who did duff and duffer sign the assets over to?

     

     

    SDM=whyte=ahmad+green

     

    ||. ||

     

    grier(d+d) ||

     

    || ||

     

    duff& duffer===||

     

     

    all hear say allegedly

     

     

    jam67

  15. Manchester City defender Micah Richards today became the third player from his club to receive a six-month driving ban this month.

     

     

    Too much money and no discipline, no wonder Man City done nothing this season.

  16. ASonOfDan

     

     

    Hearts player Ryan Stevenson was done for drunk driving the other day. Very much blink and miss it in the press though.

     

     

    LB

  17. Left Click

     

     

    If Neil had uttered TAL on air, in the duggout…………..any blessed where…………..

     

     

    ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE……………

     

     

    and he’d be gone………..expedited, quickly and efficiently by the msm.

     

     

    HH

  18. Would like to see bayern do well. I thought they had the better of the match against Chelsea and were indeed unlucky to lose. Again I thought they were dreadfully unlucky against man utd. when they lost two late goals after dominating the game for large spells in 1999. Indeed if anyone can remember their game against Aston villa, they played villa off the park that day. German football is actually of a good standard. It’s disliked by the English press, so they tend to relegate it a wee bit, and unless you take it upon yourself have a look you will never really find out its qualities.

  19. weeminger and the share price

     

     

    keep them coming mate(thumbs)

     

     

    never boring

     

    know your enemy

     

    shine the light into the darkest corners

     

     

    jam67