Billy and Davie on Caesar and the Assassin


Billy McNeill and Davie Hay met the press at Celtic Park yesterday, along with Alex Gordon, who authored their time as managers of Celtic.  It didn’t disappoint……

Billy was self-effacing as ever.  For all purposes, today he is an ordinary Celtic fan, so much so you need to remind yourself that there is nothing in the club game he hasn’t done.  Yesterday was about his days as Celtic manager but he made the point that Davie Hay was a profound influence on him as a team-mate.

The take-away thought I had on Davie Hay was about his range of knowledge and experience.  He has done so much in the game which still pulses in his veins.  Does Scotland still produce men of his calibre?  If so, why are we not giving them a platform to flourish?

There is tons of great stuff in the book from both men:

“We were already a goal down nine minutes into the second-half when Johnny Doyle was ordered off.  As he came off, I remember telling him he would be in serious trouble if we lost.

“I was furious, especially as we were in such a desperate situation at the time.

“Afterwards in the foyer, Jimmy Johnstone, Bobby Murdoch, Mike Jackson, Paul Wilson, Pat McCluskey, Benny Rooney and a whole host of former players were dancing around in amazement.

“Jinky was as happy as I’ve seen him. That win meant so much to anyone with an affiliation with Celtic.”

– Billy McNeill on winning the league against Rangers in 1979.

“I arranged for someone to cut out the stories and pin them to the walls of our dressing room at Love Street.

“I said nothing, but I could see the players reading the clippings. It was having the desired effect. It’s never clever to dismiss Celtic.

“It’s history now that we won 5-0 and Hearts lost 2-0.

“I think I still owe [Albert Kidd] a pint!”

-Davie Hay on winning the league at Love St in 1986.

The book’s great, reading the step-by-step accounts of what happened from the managers’ view, you’ll love it.  I know I’m biased but it’s the best thing CQN has done, a wee bit of our history set down on record.

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  1. Is it just an appeal to the SFA that’s not allowed? Can DU go direct to CAS?


    An appeal to the SFA is a waste of time, they are corrupt to the core and would never change their mind if it meant harm to their team. But an appeal to CAS may open a huge can of worms for the SFA, their rules, their liberal use of them, and their whole governance structures.

  2. Hope Stephen Thompson is on the phone to BDO for advice on who to pay money to,


    Though when /if the written judgement ever comes out there will be contradictions all over it to cover the SFAs bahookey.

  3. I for one am looking forward to the “Thompson, with a ‘P’, as in psychology” (one for the Tintin fans) response today, before I go for my work Christmas do.



    Who has a Christmas do on a Tuesday?

  4. the glorious balance sheet on

    Hope Dundee Utd nail Sevco, SPFL, SFA and any other facilitators of this Zombie fraud scheme in their statement.



    This “we didn’t die”/ “it was the holding company” / “we’re the victims” fantasy pish is no longer funny. It is toxic and is dragging Scottish football into the mire.



    It is not possible to buy trophies or a football club’s history. Rangers died, Sevco were mutated to divest gullible bigoted red-necks of their money and the Scottish footballing authorities said nothing as fantastical claims of “bah goom, a bought t’history” were made while the likes of Celtic, Dundee Utd and Aberdeen briefly held their nose, hoping for normal service to be resumed as soon as possible cos bigotry and hubris is good for business.



    It is an unsavoury business that stiffs creditors and the public purse to the tune of millions while claiming false title to a predecessor entity’s history and the financial and sporting rights that go with that. It is an even more unsavoury “sport” that allows this type of conduct to go on without comment, challenge or punishment.



    If the “we didn’t die” sevconian myth isn’t challenged by the Scottish footballing authorities then the ball is well and truly burst.

  5. !!bada bing!!



    14:45 on 9 December, 2014


    Only been lost for words twice in the ole Vogue-Once when Voguepunter got a round in ,and when i was introduced to Bobby Murdoch.A truly humble Superstar.






    To which one of these gentlemen does your last line refer?


    Or both?






    HH jamesgang

  6. bournesouprecipe


    15:52 on


    9 December, 2014


    So sometimes old co exists, and sometimes it doesn’t.



    money in- they exist


    paying oot- dead,




  7. The Huns ONLY need another 49 decisions like this and they’ll be able to see out the season, :-) HH

  8. tonydonnelly67



    14:56 on 9 December, 2014


    Well, you see we are the only ones that complain about them that’s why nothing will change, blame the rest of the other clubs fans who sit on there hands and say SFA.





    Tony Bhoy!!!



    Jeanette Findlay herself couldn’t have put it better!


    You auld Rebel Rouser you!!!



    Typed with a big smiley – Love



    HH jamesgang

  9. I have no sympathy for DU



    Any team putting money Rangers way ,be it ,buying a player or….



    Buying a ticket for a cup game against them is putting money into a corrupt club and then complaining about the leniency dealt to them , can’t quite figure it out .



    Or maybe your still holding your collective breath that somebody else or club are going to make a stand



    Hail Hail kev j




  10. £200,000 for a youth player? That’s just Discusting, if as they are saying United went in knowing there would be no appeal but that they would take it higher court, then good on them, but I have my doubts, these clowns running our game are more interested in baby sitting thems, if they could only put in as hard a job in trying to get a sponsor?


    Let’s face it, it’s all about thems, more rules will be made up in the up and coming months there is nothing surer, belts and braces all over the feckin place just to eas thems in, Scottish football is toxic.

  11. Craigellachie10 on

    Sounds like a case for CAS. Particularly if they’ve based it on 6 years development money, surely an element of the fee (four years worth) should go to the creditors of the old club.

  12. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on




    15:41 on 9 December, 2014


    joe filippis haircut



    15:36 on 9 December, 2014


    tonydonnelly67. How many years have you been saying that now ? They are helped at every turn and anything they do or have done wrong is overlooked they are the people of course H.H.




    I know but Ffs surely ti fek it has to stop, some one needs to stand up and say, hawwww, hold that ferkin result who the fleck you trying ti kid here, it has to this can’t keep going on.






    I could not agree with you more ……… for over 100 years we have resisted them trying to ‘walk all over us’ and we will continue to resist ‘them’ until fairness, truth and justice is fully achieved ….. far too many of ‘our own’ are currently ‘wearying’ of it all, but we must stand firm to protect our Club and Scottish Football from Scottish Football…….if the SFA are allowed to resurrect the dead twice, we can all just ‘get our hats’ and leave…….the GAME will be over ….time, once again, to stand up and be counted, as James Forrest is stressing……HH, and ‘bring it on’….

  13. Richie #TeamOscarForever on

    Reading the DU statement, it doesn’t look like the issue of sevco’s time on this planet will be challenged further. In the end it’s all about the money.

  14. On the SFA/SPFL ruling for Charlie Telfer:



    Lewis ‘Messi Ronaldo’ Mcleod must be worth £10m.




  15. leftclicktic



    16:48 on 9 December, 2014


    Is length of time for development mentioned anywhere Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm




    Seems to have been conveniently left out, cough cough.


    d utd statement .sounds to me like MR THOMPSON is as big a shit bag as OUR PETER.



    statement ends.F.U.

  17. Cathedral View on




    Looks like the tribunal have found a way to avoid the big question.



    I really hope Dundee Utd take this to CAS or pay the money to BDO.






    ps Is it not about time our own Resolution 12 was winging its way to the ole Tribunal Arbitral Du Sport.

  18. Well then again you have to question the creditors who where left hanging out to dry, I know if I was one, I’d be wanting a bit of that, no one seems to care, very strange indeed.

  19. Richie #TeamOscarForever on

    There is no way that the SFA/SPFL will contradict the “same club” lie.



    What surprises me is that not one of the creditors of oldco has challenged sevco, SFA, or SPFL in court for their blatant continuation of said lie.

  20. Cathedral View on

    Perhaps Dundee Utd could delay payment for a few weeks until the financial situation is critical down govan way and offer half payment as full and final settlement.



    That’s how it works, right?




  21. Stairheedrammy on

    Did any of us honestly expect the ludge that runs Scottish football to come up with any other finding?

  22. Jungle Jim Hot Smoked on

    I laughed at this earlier from BSR


    ” their inaugural administration.”


    Today`s `judgement` and the weak response from United has removed greatly diluted my happiness.




  23. Looking at a list of Creditors, £22,500 is due to the SPL, £11,089 to the SFA and £3,859 to the SFL. From what I can see £65,981 to Dundee United, £40,337 to Celtic, Dunfermilne £83,370 Hearts £800k and Inverness £39,805.



    If they are applying some six year formula, why can’t they at least their/our money back?

  24. Ach, being the totally blind, happy clapping simpleton – who lacks the capacity of critical thought – that I am, I’m not too bothered by today’s ruling. It was to be expected to be fair.



    Their uppence shall come.

  25. Jungle Jim Hot Smoked on

    It seems to me that any reasonable organ of the Media, in reporting this Telfer story, would inform its readers/listeners/viewers why the dispute arose ie an argument as to whether or not `Rangers` are a new club.


    Will any news outlet in Scotland contain this information in their `Report` ?




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