I’ve not spent a lot of time online this week (work sometimes creeps in) but can’t believe the amount of traction that notion that Sevco would somehow be able to acquire SFA membership of a dead club, with all associated benefits, but be in a position to dictate set terms on how past misdeeds of Rangers would be recorded.
This is a bogus debate which serves only to deflect from the more serious issues facing Sevco, namely, do they have circa £25m to pay their way this season? If not, their pedantic views of disciplinary matters are moot, although they may be used as a principled excuse to fold a football club.
On more positive matters……….
Tony Hamilton asked me into the Celtic TV to discuss various issues surrounding the club. We spoke about how recent events elsewhere have had a galvanising impact on supporters of Celtic and other clubs, where Celtic’s future should be. I also gave a breakdown of what the death of Rangers would mean financially to Celtic, with or without Champions League group stage qualification, talked about how it would benefit the entire Scottish game if we found a new league to play in, and the great atmosphere we have at Celtic Park these days – which you can experience if you buy a season ticket, which you absolutely-without-a-doubt-should!
Do it now. The video is below:
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So, Paul67.
Should we be getting the passports out?
lionroars67 on 26 July, 2012 at 18:37 said:
Olympics? Pshaw. They’ve been running round all week closing down chippies, burger vans and drinks stalls for half a mile outside the main stadium because if you want chips or a burger it’s got to be McDonalds and Pepsi (sponsors).
Where’s Philvis?
Kilbowie Kelt on 26 July, 2012 at 19:00 said:
quonno on 26 July, 2012 at 18:57 said: ……………..
Quonno,
That is a perfectly reasonable way to give the number of people who have paid to attend that event.
I am at a loss to see how that is being untruthful.
In my innocence I thought that the issuing of attendance figures was to inform folk as to how many people were in attendance.
Rangers always reported attendances of 54,000
45,000
Just watched the interview with big Fraser and who ever the guy is asking the questions needs some mind re-arranging at the Starry Mansion, desperate to get the Big man to slip up…poor effort at journalism, well handled FF…
CRC 1849
As I said at 1839……
Of course-it includes ALL debts.
Andrew67 was asking why the club declares a certain debt level in the accounts,while Paul67 stated peak debt was around £35m.
I was trying to explain why both cases could be correct in the case of a football club,or similarly-funded companies. And as clearly as I could……….
no matter the opposition
phone-in just starting now
http://www.spreaker.com/user/homebhoys/homebhoys_51_tis_almost_the_season
istanbulcelt on 26 July, 2012 at 17:33 said:
1. galbhoy 75 on 26 July, 2012 at 14:45 said:
Afternoon bhoys and ghrils workin down beside Hampden and jist seen Lenny , Parker and Neil’s son gettin dropped off pos scouting for players what do we think
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Wrong, Neil has a press conference at 18.00. He is being made to apologise for The Korean flag mix up. Apparently that was his fault an all
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Why does he continually do this he brings it on himself he just can’t help himself …………
Should have been a smiley face and a hail hail at end off my last post ….. Damm i phone
Jeg er Neil Lennon-Greeninbingley on 26 July, 2012 at 19:20 said:
lionroars67 on 26 July, 2012 at 18:37 said:
Olympics? Pshaw. They’ve been running round all week closing down chippies, burger vans and drinks stalls for half a mile outside the main stadium because if you want chips or a burger it’s got to be McDonalds and Pepsi (sponsors).
I was amazed to hear on BBC main news instructions on what to wear in the olympic village, it seems there are restrictions on business around the park also, Olympic sport makes us give up freedoms, how does that tie in with supposed Olympic ideals
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evening,
has there been any bids for ki, or anyone else for that matter, that have been confirmed? i.e. not just in the papers or on sky sports news. as much as i want investment in the team i don’t understand the numerous posters who think it would easy to buy two players now and then sell if we need to. it seems i may have missed some news
Ok here is the supplementary post from earlier without the source links which may have put it into moderation.
In light of the tweet from @bigstuart1888 earlier, it may have been slightly prophetic!
Hope it works!
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Good afternoon ( again )
Can I just point out that every single piece of information in my earlier post is readily available and in the public domain.
Some of the sources are linked below, and it only takes asking a few questions in your own head when you read some of the information that is readily put out by the very people concerned.
It was King who claimed that he had been paid £15M or more by Rangers up to 2001. Just what was that for? Who authorised it? Where did the money come from? How is it accounted for in the accounts of Rangers PLC? Did he eventually pay tax on it or was it paid net? Did he invest the money in Rangers in a personal capacity and did the money come from his own personal account or from the account of a company that he controlled?
If it came from somewhere outside the UK, was the money “cleared” in the normal fashion by the appropriate authorities?
It was he who said he had been deceived by Murray and that Murray had deliberately mislead him as to the club’s finances. Why has no one asked him waht he means by that? What does he mean by that?
It is pure arithmetic to calculate the then supposed value of 100% of Rangers PLC value when King apparently paid £20M for a minority share and a seat on the board. Remember that if Murray sold 85% of the shareholding to Whyte, then clearly King’s £20M bought him less than 15% as there were and are other shareholders!
Why will Green not reveal who the investors are? What kind of person, presuming he is of sound mind, goes before a licensing and regulatory body and says ” I’m afraid I am not going to tell you whose money is involved in this project! I am only the front man and my investors and masters must remain a secret and undisclosed”?
Can such a stance seriously expect to succeed when faced with a fit and proper person test– especially agaisnst the background of Whyte who,remember, the SFA themselves have banned from Scottish Football.
Also stop and think on this. Why did neither Whyte nor Ticketus object to the sale of the assets to Green for the sum received by Duff & Phelps?
Why isn’t there a clamour from Ticketus and Whyte? Why is there no legal action?
Note what the revenue said in relation to the refusal of the CVA! Agreeing the CVA would not allow them to pursue those who were responsible for the financial failure of the company?
Who was responsible? Who controlled or authorised the spending when they were making losses? Who authorised, knew about and implemented the the EBT scheme for the players signed latterly?
If those players were paid through the EBT under contract, then that is a good reason for paying them no matter how the money eventually got to them. However if the money was just a gift or a loan and not part of any contractual obligation– why should such payments stand when the company is not making money and creditors are left swinging?
Who negotiated the transfers and agreed the terms? Who registered their contracts with the official footballing body? Was there deception and if so on what basis and by whom? Which Individuals?
And what of the Footballing Audit of all documents, contracts and financial and other compliance? Who carried this out? When did it happen? Who prepared the annual returns for the SFA and who signed them off?
Do we really have Whyte and King saying they were deceived by Murray?
Do you recall Billy Dodds saying the same thing? ” Sir David told me the money due to me on leaving Rangers would be paid through the EBT and had had the tax already paid on it”? or words to that effect! Is there anyone else who has said, or who will say, ” I was told ” this or that by David Murray or anyone else?
Maybe Doods is naive? Maybe he is stupid? Whatever he is, that is his “on the record” comment about what and how he was paid through the EBT scheme, and who seemingly authorised the payment.
Who authorised the payments to Souness that we know of? How are they recorded and justified? What were they for and how did Souness apply to the EBT trustees for a payment? Where is the documentation?
Let’s go further.
This is the UK tax authority that you are dealing with here:
What did the beneficiaries of the EBT payments do with the money once they had “borrowed” it? Did they buy property with it? Did they buy businesses with it?
Did they ever– in any way shape or form– pay any of the money back to Rangers PLC, or anyone connected with Rangers PLC?
Did any of the employees or Rangers PLC receive any other “benefits in kind” that were not declared but which would and should have attracted tax?
For example– who paid for players holidays and travel? Who paid for their families to travel?
Also another unanswered question for me:
Alastair Johnstone said that there was no need to sell to Whyte as he had an alternative plan– or two!
The first was that he seriously believed that he could go to HBOS and suggest that the remainder of Rangers debt-at the time some £30M or so- could be transferred to MIH- after all MIH owed the bank hundreds of Millions of pounds! so another £30M wouldn’t matter!
Given that AJ is not a complete dolt– how did he come to the conclusion that this was even feasable? Was he told by the bank it would be considered?
Was he told by Murray it could be done? Was he relying on past experience as he knew that this is precisely what had happened before when Rangers ran aground? The bank supported a share issue underwritten by MIH who in turn were underwritten by the bank! I wonder which bank officials authorised that transaction?
Will the Liquidator reach the conclusion that there were those with HBOS who could be viewed as Shadow Directors of Rangers PLC? and if so would the Liquidator chase the bank for recompense for the creditors- as after all, when the bank were swallowed up by Lloyds, the Lloyds guys kicked all the HBOS guys out, pulled Murray’s facilities (MIH & Rangers) and played hardball to ensure they received every single penny of their own money back– with all the other creditors left standing with their heads in their hands.
For those who do not deal with corporate banking on a regular basis let me just say that bank officials these days are constantly crapping themselves about the possibility of being seen as shadow directors. They are scared stiff of such an allegation or acting in any way that gives rise to such an allegation.
No there is now enough in the very public domain for dumplings like me to see what doesn’t make sense and ask some questions. Some of the answers appear to be available too, as not everyone who used to be in the same team is singing from the same hymn sheet anymore.
The liquidator will have access to yet more information and the big tax case decision will blow the lid off even more.
Yet there sits Green– the mystery man– maybe he is not so much Charlie Green as Harry Lime– the mysterious man from the shadows, who will not say who he acts for.
And the football authorities seriously entertain him?
Murray- to Whyte– To Greene.
Is he the third man?
As for the big picture of the washing machine and the bag of money that was sent to me?
My response is contained in the link immediately below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
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TopCorner on 26 July, 2012 at 19:32 said:
phone-in just starting now
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good shout Top Cat.
great listen while making the t.
beats the lympics .
did you know that the olympics was actually going to be called the Titanics
or am i get my conspiricy theories mixed up.
lionroars67 on 26 July, 2012 at 19:41 said:
And one of their corporate sponsors is Dow.
Olympic ideals my elbow.
Phoned Ibrox today, said I have a party of 20 wanting to come to first match of Sevco, and what time does it start, whatever time you want they said
Tallybhoy on 26 July, 2012 at 18:49 said:
The Olympics?!
Not sure what it’s like back in Scotland, but over here Sky Italia have dedicated 12 channels to cover EVERY sport represented! Will watch some athletics, football, boxing and, ahem, the female beach volleyball! Apart from that, forget it
HH!!
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Virgin have 24 BBC channels in HD. That’s now 200+ channels of mince.
HH
Paul67 et al
Apparently Joe Allen can go for £15million. Joe who I hear you ask, the Swansea Welsh midfielder who Liverpool are keen to buy. I think he is playing for Great Britain (Anglo-Welsh) for tonight, so might be useful to compare him to some of our own midfielders. Don’t forget to stand for the anthem! Remember those cinema days.
McCoist remains defiant despite problems
Ally McCoist remained upbeat about his clubs prospects ahead of the start of the new season, with Sevco FC starting life in Division 3; yesterday at a press conference he even seemed ebullient, as he presented his normal talkative, cheeky chappy rascality and B-movie star appeal he is so well known for- at one point he swung wildly, almost hysterically, like Bette Davis in All About Eve, between gushing enthusiasm as he lavished praise on his small ragbag of players and a deranged Latte like frothing of the mouth as he mentioned “his friends across the city”, particularly when it came to even the casual mention of Peter Lawwell- indeed at one point in the interview he had to be held down by a couple of burly men in white tabard’s as he went into a pearly eyed paroxysm of violent rage when someone said “Peter”.
“Obviously we are far from the last piece of the jigsaw…the Celtic football associations…I mean…the Scottish football Associations transfer embargo looms over us like a completely unjustified and tyrannical shadow…it puts us at sixes and sevens…I mean I know we need to be punished but we should be able to negotiate what punishments are acceptable, like it used to be done in the old days. Make no bones about it I’m not happy. We will not forget what they have done to us- but even if they break our legs we will not walk away, we will slide along the ground in a No Surrender spirit of our gallant mono browed heirs. We no longer have the McGregor’s, the Naismith’s, the Davis’, the Kirk Broadfoots…oh s***…we still have him…but we need a wing wizard, someone with a Hollywood pass, someone like an Aluko but that we traitor left us for the mighty Hull yesterday…but nevertheless they were all good servants of the club even if they did stab us in the back towards the end…but I’m not going to keep going on about how they betrayed the fans, because we are better than that. It’s better to remain in dignified silence about the double dealing duplicity of a gang of treacherous Judases…but lets be clear: I am extremely disappointed like everyone else so I want to bring in between 10 and 20 players before the window shuts on my fingers. We need to get off to a flyer early on in the season. Show them all we mean business. Get right in their faces. Show them we are The Rangers, like Mike Tyson’s pitbull wae a fibula. We are not a one man team. A draw in our game in the Ramsden Cup against Brechin would feel like a defeat, a defeat would feel worse even than a defeat…so make no bones about it we need to bring in top, TOP players like Johnny Beattie, Robbie Savage…anybody that’s goat a pair a fitba boots if we can. We need a quarterback type midfielder in there, we need an enforcer, we need someone to put the ball in the back of the net, we need someone to stop them from going in our own poky…in fact we need a whole new team. We’re so desperate we’ve even asked our Bagman, Mr Mangtong, the Atomic Doctor, to put Anadrol in the youth players rusks and racehorse Charlie in their cocopops and an extra we fizz in their afternoon pancakes…wee really need to bulk them up…thank Beelzebub we’ve goat the quintessential hatchetman Elbows oanside…but Mangtong says you do get quite a belt from them Bingo Biscuits he gives them…we’ve even goat David Weir on cryogenic storage just in case we canni get anybody else in but he is not responding well to the embalming fluid.”
Asked what he thought of the coming SPL season and old rivals Celtic’s chances in the lucrative and glamorous Champions League campaign McCoist turned the air blue with a number of unmentionable expletives then flopped to the ground in a lifeless heap, before finally articulating something approximating an answer: “There is no doubt…and make no bones about it…I’ve had my troubles to seek…everyone knows about the pasty addiction…the late night frequenting of various Gregg’s eateries, its all well documented…I’ve even been hitting the hooch hard, sitting in my gravy stained vest smoking African woodbine and watching reruns of women’s beach volleyball in slow-mo…at the thought of ‘he who must not be mentioned’ and the other Black Donnelly’s across the city doing cartwheels on their giggle juice as we flopped agonizingly from one slapstick routine to another…I mean football is a funny old game and we took it to another level” said McCoist who suddenly went into a demonic fit of erratic fury , as someone at the Press conference enquired whether ‘he who must not be mentioned’ was Peterrrrrrrr…with that McCoist convulsed with all the spitfire red mist of a menstruating virago on crack.
Stuart might well have been singing ‘loud and proud’ but Bellars and Giggsy sure weren’t…
HenGwladeihunanynunigCSC
Celtic Mac on 26 July, 2012 at 19:56 said:
Don’t forget to stand for the anthem! Remember those cinema days.
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always left before the anthem if I could, and refused to stand if I could not escape
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on 26 July, 2012 at 18:15 said:
Oh and Livibhoy, brought a new wee tim into our fold, Charlie
*he joins an illustrious group of Celtic Charlies:
Shaw
Tully
Nicholas, and
Mulgrew.
Also a family name for me, my Irish grampa was Big Charlie, my Dumbarton born da was Wee Charlie and likewise my brother Young Charlie.
‘Manhattan’ on Sony Movie channel, now……………..
WoodyAllen CSC
bankiebhoy1 broke the blog.
we’re back!
quick straw poll
what are the best materials for making servers and their components with?
a – plastic, metal and silicon like the ones in my work
b – paper, grass and fairy dust, like the ones in CQN’s server rooms?
Any Irish Bhoys lurking?
Can anyone help me out… I’m looking to buy a Donegal Celtic shirt and can’t find a link on the net!
HH
bankiebhoy1 le saboteour,double agent
fae the other side.
Is it still 1-0 St Johnstone?
ASonOfDan on 26 July, 2012 at 21:02
1-1 now.
St J now 1-1
6000 at game tonight, here is hoping they start showing up for league games.
cheers for score.
A team of EPL players who are highly-rated but that you just don’t get. Feel free to add.
4. Micah Richards
James Milner…
Inter Turku fae Finland lose 5:0 at home to Twente Enschede.
Finns are well beatable.
My Pa fae Finland lose 2:0 at home to Rapid Bucharest