Bogus issues and a Good Old Celtic debate

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I’ve not spent a lot of time online this week (work sometimes creeps in) but can’t believe the amount of traction that notion that Sevco would somehow be able to acquire SFA membership of a dead club, with all associated benefits, but be in a position to dictate set terms on how past misdeeds of Rangers would be recorded.

This is a bogus debate which serves only to deflect from the more serious issues facing Sevco, namely, do they have circa £25m to pay their way this season?  If not, their pedantic views of disciplinary matters are moot, although they may be used as a principled excuse to fold a football club.

On more positive matters……….

Tony Hamilton asked me into the Celtic TV to discuss various issues surrounding the club.  We spoke about how recent events elsewhere have had a galvanising impact on supporters of Celtic and other clubs, where Celtic’s future should be.  I also gave a breakdown of what the death of Rangers would mean financially to Celtic, with or without Champions League group stage qualification, talked about how it would benefit the entire Scottish game if we found a new league to play in, and the great atmosphere we have at Celtic Park these days – which you can experience if you buy a season ticket, which you absolutely-without-a-doubt-should!

Do it now.  The video is below:

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  1. Good evening CQN.

     

     

    Back home from hospital and still a bit sore. Now have a nervous time as I await results of a biopsy, but hey, I’m a glass half full guy, so why worry about things you have no control over?

     

     

    PMSL at the online Sun this morning. Sevco to be granted a 90 minute licence? Where do they get this shit? They’re making it up as they go along, obviously desperate to sell copy. Pure comedy gold.

     

     

    Looking forward to the Helsinki game. Ordinarily I’d be supremely confident of strolling past them, but at this time of the season, it’s a bit of an unknown quantity.

     

     

    Anyway, good to be back and I hope I can stay awake for a wee while yet.

     

     

    Hail Hail and thanks to those who were asking after me.

  2. I don’t think this is a tax loophole, it is a deliberate tax reduction scheme (where tax can be reduced by any amount all the way to zero if necessary) used by the government to funnel cash to certain areas to stimulate an industry or part of the eeconomy.

     

     

    Loopholes occur when laws don’t adequatly legislate for every scenario they are meant to. This scheme wasn’t using a loophole, it was targeting a government instigated tax policy. These things are probably high risk, hence the need to get investments flowing.

  3. BSR- yes will see you next weekend, bringing Mrs GS and nephew to the Inter game tomorrow, she has been curious to see if there really are dancing girls and flowing champagne in this gazebo.

  4. ItaliaBhoy on 27 July, 2012 at 10:45 said:

     

    “Glenbuck on 27 July, 2012 at 10:26 said:

     

    And the opposite is happily advocated by Joe Stalin, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, and Arthur Scargill. Nice company you keep, too.

     

     

    So anyone who highlights the relationship between right wing libertarianism and those with regressive, extreme right wing and fascists leanings is communist. You still at school?

     

    Where is your evidence re: “there is a strong argument that the economy improves and freedom is maximised the less tax the government collects”.

     

    The Channel Isles and the Isle of Man, perhaps?

  5. On the matter of banning certain sections of the press from Celtic Park then I believe this would be counter productive.

     

    Allow all however I am all for Celtic supporters organizing and lobbying fellow Celts to stop buying publications such as the Daily Record.

     

    There is a tactical difference between club and supporters actions.

     

    Times are changing quite rapidly and what I believe we are witnessing are the death rattles of old irrelevant media.

     

    KevJungle- only an opinion. Regards.

  6. On the subject of why Southampton would pay any money for Steve Davis, I remember that Rangers under Charles Green, before they went into liquidation, were due to play in the Marcus Liebherr memorial cup (this is organized by Southampton FC) at a time when the writing was very much on the wall for Doomed FC.

  7. Tallybhoy on 27 July, 2012 at 10:54 said:

     

     

    Agree with much of what you say.

     

    However, question is. Do you still buy the rags they write in?

  8. If the Kilmarnock administration rumour is true, I’m sure we’ll very quickly hear links made to the contribution no games against Rangers has made to their decision.

     

     

    We need only take a deep breath and repeat as clearly and calmly as possible that bending the rules for a club that bullies, lies and cheats its way is too high a price for keeping struggling SPL clubs in business. Even if Scotland ends up with no financially viable professional football structure, turning a further blind eye to the cheats’ cheating is too high a price to pay.

     

     

    Sorry, but if your business depends on being able to carry out transactions with cheats it is not a sustainable business and a club whose business is on a sound footing can take your place.

  9. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    Tallybhoy on 27 July, 2012 at 10:54 said:

     

     

    ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON ……!!!!

  10. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    Celtic_First on 27 July, 2012 at 11:03 said:

     

     

    ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON …ALSO……..!!!!

  11. Lennon n Mc....Mjallby on

    DBBIA

     

     

    If you like Indian then the only place is the Mumtaz in Leeds.

     

     

    League of its own.

  12. Glenbuck on 27 July, 2012 at 11:02 said:

     

     

    ‘Where is your evidence re: “there is a strong argument that the economy improves and freedom is maximised the less tax the government collects”.

     

    The Channel Isles and the Isle of Man, perhaps?’

     

     

     

    Somalia.

  13. ernie lynch on 27 July, 2012 at 10:54

     

     

    I champion you off air a lot but being idealistic as you are?

     

     

    Why are you running with this now, at this time?

     

     

    Celtic desperately need to get into the CL for the club to grow, this season more than any other in my lifetime.

     

     

    Let’s talk about something more fundamental. I remember you talking about Joey Barton and how he was on a one man mission (or something along those lines) to re-dress football down south. I definitely agreed with you back then despite everyone going mad at him. He is sick of that culture and most of the people he is involved with.

     

     

    hh m8

  14. Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug

     

     

    All parties involved in #Rangers #SFA membership saga now of the opinion that deal is pretty much done. Statement likely this afternoon.

     

     

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    With that endorsement I’d say it’s not going to happen.

  15. Glenbuck on 27 July, 2012 at 11:02 said:

     

     

    ‘Where is your evidence re: “there is a strong argument that the economy improves and freedom is maximised the less tax the government collects”.

     

    The Channel Isles and the Isle of Man, perhaps?’

     

     

    USA

     

    Canada

     

    Australia

     

    NZ

     

    Hong Kong (during 1960s flat tax was introduced by its Scottish economics minister prompted economic boom almost unparralled in history).

  16. To conclude my foray into the nefarious world of Google Search, the Southampton CEO, Nicola Cortese, was the one who originally persuaded Liebherr to buy the club when it was about to go under. Cortese was then based in Zurich (he worked for Credit Suisse and then Banque Heritage).

     

     

    Remember Green flying to Zurich saying he was off to have talks with UEFA (based in Nyon)?

  17. greenmaestro on 27 July, 2012 at 11:02 said:

     

     

     

    ”This scheme wasn’t using a loophole, it was targeting a government instigated tax policy.”

     

     

     

    Bullshit.

     

     

    ‘The IR challenged the Schemes, essentially on the basis that they were not satisfied with the commerciality of the Schemes, it being a requirement of tax relief that the trade be carried on on a commercial basis with a view to realising profits within a reasonable time.’

     

     

     

     

    http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?

     

     

    doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Comm/2012/1321.html&query=Innovator+and+One+and+plc&method=boolean

  18. Tom McLaughlin on 27 July, 2012 at 11:00 said:

     

    Glad to hear you’re back hale and hearty. Looking forward to more excellent posts. HH

  19. Just got an e-mail from a Hibee supporting mate saying that the Sevco transfer application has been rejected. I don’t know where it originated from and it may well be wishful thinking but I’m a dreamer and I’m not the only one!

     

     

    In any other sporting regime any application to transfer membership from an organisation which has burned hundreds of creditors to an organisation that nobody seems to know anything about would be laughed at. In Scotland, with “Rangers” it is taken very seriously to the extent of allowing the Newco to negotiate a punishment to be imposed on the Oldco!

     

     

    Craiginho

     

    Twilight Zone CSC

  20. garcia lorca on 27 July, 2012 at 11:02 said:

     

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    Well said M8.

     

    I would just like to say that, I have been buying the DR on the way to and, from work for almost 40 years now.

     

    I buy it at this time to read what Murdo is saying about the Cellic.

     

    I also call the DR-Hotline some times.

     

    I, like almost every other Celtic fan have been furious with the DR on a number of occasion’s over the years but, what I have been waiting for is, some sign of leadership from the club to, take actoin on the offensive section’s of the MSM.

     

    This is what I can’t understand…why don’t Celtic FC – BAN the DR ?

     

    Again, I’m only asking.

     

    Hail Hail

  21. Reading back, and all the political debate, whether one agrees with one side or the other, one thing is for sure, Tony Hamilton was spot on.

     

     

    CQN really is the thinking man’s Celtic/Football blog.

  22. quonno

     

     

    As I am fortunate(?) enough to spend up to 9 months of the year here in Italy for various reasons (none of them being as a means of avoiding paying tax!!), and the rest in Scotland I can say that I do NOT buy any of the rags that purport to be the ‘voice of Scotland’!

     

     

    I get my information over here via the ‘net: I do like to know what is going on in that big bad world out there after all! Always have been an inquisitive so-and so!

     

     

    HH!!

  23. I'm Neil Lennon (tamrabam) on

    craiginho

     

    nail on the head m8

     

    the newco are negotiating a punishment for the oldco in conjunction with the old boys network

     

     

    how far will the game s administartors allow themselves to be sullied

  24. Tom McLaughlin on 27 July, 2012 at 11:20 said:

     

    ‘Reading back, and all the political debate, whether one agrees with one side or the other, one thing is for sure, Tony Hamilton was spot on.

     

     

    CQN really is the thinking man’s Celtic/Football blog.’

     

     

     

    Yeah, but who is that man?

  25. 'crushed nuts?' 'Naw, Layringitis!' on

    garcia lorca on 27 July, 2012 at 11:02 said:

     

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    The Lennon tax case is the usual smoke screen to hide the wreckage of sevco. The Herald run a story about how the TV deal will only be signed if sevco get sfa registration is a very desperate attempt to force the hand of the authorities, why?

     

    Who is paying the pr co. behind these stories?