BT’s successful £897m bid for UK Champions League and Europa League rights is one of the most significant commercial developments for Celtic in years – if we continue to qualify for the Champions League group stage.
This money, £299m per season, more than double the current deal, is paid directly to Uefa. What participating teams receive is directly linked to the value their domestic TV rights raise. If Scottish clubs participate, they earn 10% of the UK distribution.
Scottish Premiership TV rights are currently shared by BT and Sky but they are worth a fraction of what they went for the last time a competitor (Setanta) made a genuine challenge to Sky. It would literally take loose change from BT’s budget to remove Sky from the required list of providers for Scottish football fans. Whatever the next SPFL deal looks like, having two major players bidding should ensure it is worth a lot more money.
The same is true for English football rights. 20 years ago Sky built their UK business on the back of English Premier League broadcast rights. If BT want to supplant them in the TV market, enhance their ISP position and secure a lead in the emerging services on-demand market, English Premier League rights will be the major battleground.
BSkyB share prices is down around 10% today, reflecting the reality that they will either have to pay a whole lot more for the same rights in future, or they risk losing market share. I’d be very happy to dump Sky, which has recently resembled a tax on committed Scottish football fans without the corresponding revenue spend.
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Vesta,…………….they were my very first experience of curry, still not certain what those rectangular shapes of “meat” were!
Bada bing
Darren Fletcher
Davie Weir
Gough
Duncan doughnut
have i just outed myself as a Hvn ?
Maybe Paul Telfer
!!Bada Bing!!
Gary McAllister?
leftclicktic-just checked 200 EPL games for DF
A 49 second interview with a pish stained alky saying no surrender? Wtf was that all about? The last three chairmen said the same thing, and they are where? Malcom Murray prob. Down at the fountain in the Glasgow green as we speak, wi a Kerry Oot, dignity my arse.
Scot Parker
Guten Tag from a sunny Lower Saxony ………..imagine if there was a Hun with as much conviction as this lad,and instead of a wreath at Capt Bloods statue ,a braw picture in my wee heid…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24896784
Greenpinata
Think you may be correct about this BT deal unintentionally opening a new deal for the SPL via SKY.
This year’s CL saw 22 seeded teams automatically qualify for the CL Group Stages – this left 54 teams (from approx 30+ countries) vying for one of the 10 remaining places in the Group Stages.
The ‘play-off’ route accounted for 10 runner-up teams (5 ties) from the same country as one of the 22 automatic qualifiers. This left 44 teams in the ‘champions route’ playing for the last 5 places via 3 rounds of qualifiers.
All things considered – no mean feat that Celtic qualified for the Group Stages.
Problem is – that leaves approx 30+ countries effectively with ‘no mass market CL appeal’ after the end of August most seasons (albeit Europa coverage). SKY may find themselves forced to cobble some pan-European domestic packages to fill a lot of empty revenue slots – if they lose the battle with BT for the next EPL screening rights.
!!bada bing!!
13:26 on 11 November, 2013
Was asked a quiz question last night (eventually got it right i think),there are only 2 Scottish players with more than 300 EPL appearances? Cue 14 right answers ,but might pass a bit of Monday time.
Will add to the tease……remember reading about both players in a Coventry city programme. Not sure if correct but they claimed both played with them…..
Surprisingly once of them was one of us…..
Think I need to change my user name..
BT.
jimmci-ah well was good while it lasted……:)
weeminger
13:27 on
11 November, 2013
Point taken but I would suggest we could bring through more youth, buy quality and still win the league more often than not. Its the buy cheap and in bulk that is holding our home grown talent back. For example over the last 3 seasons we have seen Pukki, Balde, Bangura, Murphy, Lassad, Miku (loan), Brozek (loan) come through the door with very little return from any of them (early days for Pukki & Balde). Would signing one quality striker and giving the likes of Watt more of a chance not be a far better strategy than the current one?
Jackson Irvine is the same age as Victor Wanyama was when he arrived at CP. Victor was given his chance, Jackson’s been sent to Killie. Would it not have been a better idea to give Jackson a chance to shine in the Hoops this season than sign Nir Biton (nothing against Nir who may well prove to be a good player for us).
Tyretim
Bada Bing
Gary McAlister & Paul Telfer
weeminger @13.19 hrs.
Appreciate your point, admirable quality patience, but patience is only a virtue when you have time on your side.
IMHO I do not think it is something we have. Although we are winning games in the SPL restlessness is growing in our ranks. Our crowds are dipping and there seems no appetite, clamour or demand for league games. Even if we eventually produce quality players our current status as a feeder club in a poor league means we will not keep them.
In its current state, football without a European campaign seems unthinkable. As with any business ( yes business ) we have got to evolve to progress. The status quo is unsustainable and next year we will lose another four eagerly anticipated games when Hearts go down.
Apologies if you think I am having a go, I most certainly am not. I sense there may be an unintentional opportunity with the BT deal and although it is unpalatable to deal with Sky sometimes it is necessary to “Sup with the devil”
Hoping for some clarity on our future come Friday.
HH, Always in Celtic.
If you intend dumping Sky Sports it’s best to do it on line. Log into your account and send them a message explaining you want to remove sports package. They’ll send you an automated reply telling you their dealing with the request. Doing it this way avoids lining Sky’s pocket when you phone them as unless you get your phone through sky they charge you at a premium rate for the call. This is why the sky dude you speak to is quite happy to chat away with you all matey as it’s your cash your wasting! Hail Hail
K33- correct,quite a stat if it has been only 2.
weeminger
13:19 on
11 November, 2013
eddieinkirkmichael
13:11 on
11 November, 2013
Patience is something I am advocating, I think there are those among our support who don’t posses this virtue though.
I really can’t see how the extra money from BT will help clubs like Celtic, all it’ll do is widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.
Ttt
i think bt will have more of their own channels for sport once this new contract kicks in..you wont have to worry about it as it wont be on ss3 or ss4 as bt will be showing the games via their own channels
sorry bt for the overuse of bt in that last post..will you change to sky tim lol hh
More tv money for EPL clubs ,which allows them to buy up our better players when they fancy it.
This will not change the diversity of competition .
TT
BUTSYBHOY
Glad you are aware-I reckoned you would be,but just wanted to be sure.
Hellish situation. Fingers crossed.
Seems his wee Grotto was miraculously spared though. I wonder why?
I think Sky will try to stop BT getting access to their sports channels come 2015.
Greenpinata
with your points above it might need a better distribution of this new income through out the other clubs as auldheid has stated as the game we are watching might well deteriorate even more without hearts in the league but the whole set up of our game needs to be surgically dissected and reformed starting with the governing body where clubs must conform to strict financial rules of inspection similar to germany or customers will continue to fall away from a game which has no competition and honest governing body..changes must be made in light of hearts and the klan if our game is to survive. Hh
Did Finboggason sign a new contract in the summer with Heerenveen?
TT
re FF.
well be alright on that 1.
he wont be here when we win the league.
we’ve already being “softened” up for that.
A major obstacle to bringing our own youth through is our ‘fans’ lack of patience.
You just need to read posts on places like this and listen to the crowd get on these young players backs.
Maloney, Forrest, McManus, Marshall, McGeady, Watt all got dogs abuse rather than support.
Even wee Jimmy was slaughtered on a weekly basis so it’s not a new thing.
TTTT,
Sky & BT are still arguing over the wholesale of Sky’s full sports package hence only 1&2. However, Sky’s content will continually be up for renegotiation so who’s to say they’ll need all their channels.
P
Bawsman
Thats definitely true. But hardly any of the lads who have went on loan have came back good enough.
Liam Miller springs to mind. McGregor at Notts County is exciting.
bawsman
mulgrew seems to be fairly free of the slaughtering.
shows you how well he has done since he was ushered in as neil lennons
first signing and the wailing that went on about that.
and if forrest stopped waving his arms about and got on with playing when he falls over
he get my full backing (that’s the only thing that annoys me wae him)
Bada Bing ! ! @ !4 06.
I don’t know for certain but he was heavily linked with AC Milan and Lazio during the summer . I remember reading that he had signed a 3 yr contract in 2012.Both Lazio and Milan were rumored to have dropped their interest when they learned how much Heerenveen wanted
“Both Lazio and Milan were rumored to have dropped their interest when they learned how much Heerenveen wanted”
Sssshhhh not so loud
Ah said Celtic hiv No Cutting Edge..
‘
And Ah still Hivnae budged oan that..
Despite, scoring Four Goal agin the Ross Cluggers,
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Oor Strikers ur .. Well.
Where ur they?
We relied oan a Center Hauf and a Half Baked Mid-Fielder tae ..
Pull oor Chestnuts oota the Bleze.
In oor Last Game.
And.. Four Heiders.. Yet!
Getting doon tae Specifics:
Pukki, wullnae Dae.. Nope.. He jist is No oor Cuppa.
Stokesy,is Limited.tae…. Yep.. He is.
Don’t Argue!
Ah tell ye whit is wrang wi’ Pukki…
He is Too Gentle..
In the S.P.L. Jungle , he is Easy meat fur the Predators.
He fa’s Doon .. faur too Easily.
He is a Good Player..
IF…
He is No Playing FUR CELTIC..
A Player who Plays fur Celtic ,in Scotland..is Marked fur Trouble.
He needs tae Hiv a Cast Iron Will..
He needs tae hiv a FIGHTIN’ Attitude.. and Pukki.. Jist Hisnae.
He reminds me of A Young Guy that we hid .. who came thru the Ranks.
A real Guid Prospect.. Hie Name is.. McGowan.
Ah good wee player.. But..
He didnae Mak It..
Why?
He wiz far too Gently Bentley.. He Goat .. Knoaked doon in the Rush.. far too often
Jist like.. Pukki, diz.. the Noo
Pukki, spends maist of the Time…during the game…. Pickin’ Himsel Up aff the Grun.
Ye must Remember a Celtic Player wull Receive NO Protection , frum the Scottish Refs..
It says it Right There in the Scottish Refereeing Handbook..
Page. Wan..
“It must be remembered,, Lads.. NO Celtic Player shall Receive Protection ..”
Don’t Believe Me?
Well.. If ye don’t ..Ah don’t Bloody Care!
Look at the treatment..Young Fisher is Getting..
Yesterday, he wiz assaulted.. Continuously..
And dae ye think is Wiz jist the Personal Idea… of the Ross Player who wiz Assaultin a particular Celtic Player… that A Ross Coonty Player jist Decided.. “Ah think Ah wull Assault , Fisher?”… fur instance???
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong..
Na. It wiz the Idea of the Ross Coonty Manager!
He gave the instructions tae his players, Afore the Game
“Go oot there Lads and Bash the Celtic.. And especially.. Go Get, Fisher and Get Pukki.. Fisher, is a Kid and Pukki is a Gentle Jehosaphat!
Yep. And Those Ross County Guys sure did whit they wur telt.
It didnae Work oan Maist of the Celts..
Young Fisher, is A Tough Nut.. He didnae Back Doon.
But.. Yeah .
It worked oan PukkI.. Real well.
If Ah wur King..
Ah wid Go Oot an Pay the Gelt.. Whitevah it Took.
Tae Bring In..
Tomlin, of Peterborough..
He is a Battler.. and He Don’t BACK DOON. fur . Anybuddy
He is an Enforcer ,awe Right..
Go get Him. Neil. Ye wullnae Regret it!
That is Why Ah am so Keen in Bringin in Amido..
Amido.. Is a Real Stroang Fellah..
He wid Dae the Joab.. Wance he goat a Few Games under his Belt..
Howevahh..
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If Neil, Disnae Agree wi Me…oan that..
That is His Fault.
Kojo
Still Laughin
Turkeybhoy@11:03
“An Irish part time team,Elfsborg,real minnows,and a team that we really should have murdered,Karagandy.”
And precisely the type of teams that knocked us out of Europe between 74 and 99. Remember Timisoara, Zwickau, Wacker Innsbruck, and Neuchatel. We have not earned the right to call anyone a pub team based on our European record in the 80s and 90s. We have barely entered the 2nd tier of European elite clubs in the past dozen years when we have recovered our lost reputation for European excellence.
You mention “Our kids inheritance”We nearly threw that away by struggling to qualify for the CL this season,through bad planning and transfer buisness.
No, we did not; that is hyperbole. A failed CL qualifying campaign would have set us back but come nowhere near to killing us. We lost a qualifying tie to Arsenal and still survived. In 2003 we failed to qualify when knocked out by Basel and went on to have a memorable year.
A neighbouring club did follow the “splash the cash” route and it did so by tax dodging and handshaking bank arrangements. We cannot and will not do this and I thank god for that.
We still had time to sign a striker after it was blatantly obvious in the Elfsborg game that we were lacking.We did not.We went into the CL without a regular goalscorer.
Agree with this point with the exception that Stokes is palpably a regular goal scorer at SPL level but unproven and considered unreliable at European level. Would Alfie turn out more like Hooper or Stokes? Any guarantees?
You say Finnbogason is playing in a minnows league!!!!!The Eredivisie?If thats minnows,god help us.
The Eeredivisie provided a home to Jamie Smith, Jos Hooiveld and Michael Higdon amongst others. Ross County have two of their Dutch players who played with Eeredivisie clubs. Alfie has played for 2 years with a mid table Dutch outfit and, despite impressive scoring stats, has not yet been transferred.
At the moment Alfie has scored 14 in 15 starts.The Ajax guy has scored 6 in 16 starts.Last year Alfie scored41 in 32 starts.Dont think it would be a giant leap of faith to think playing in our league with us he would do much worse.
But it would be a leap of faith and a gamble with big money. Despite his 14 goals, Heerenveen remain in 9th place behind Groningen and Zwolle. He would undoubtedly score in Scotland; Michael Higdon has shown that. However, would he score with Celtic in Scotland? Players who played with other SPL clubs have failed to step up and re-produce at Celtic e.g. Killen and Riordan, because it is harder to do so. Jordan Rhodes is a prolific scorer but the astute WGS does not pick him for Scotland because his style does not suit the team and he may suit a more direct long ball style of attack. The Ajax guy is playing with a bigger club and is rated a better player by the Iceland manager. I ask again, did he impress you? Why no clamour for him?
You say we are doing very well this season.In almost every game we have been quite poor.We are winning,but by god we should be.We struggle to score goals most weeks.Even on Saturday oour strikers again failed to score.
Yes , all of your perceptions may be true. I cannot and would not control your reactions to our successes but there is no other way to describe an unbeaten start to the SPL and a fair outing in Europe.
Compare it to all other years of our participation in Scottish football and this is in our top 10% easily. 66 to 74 was better. 2001 to 2013 has been our 2nd best period. The only way I care who scores our goals is if I have a bet on. We have 27 goals in 12 SPL games, 2.25 per game. We could do with more goals in Europe than our 2 against Ajax. Can Alfie score at European level? He has managed 2 WC goals at home for Iceland plus two friendly goals away from home. Again, too small a sample from which to produce guaranteed CL scoring. Alfonso Alves or Huntelaar or Sammi?
The “Going rate for Finnbogason was £5 million.A pittance for a guy with his record over the past 3 years.If other teams prefer to spend £20 million plus on strikers,that is no concern of ours.They spend that on CHs yet we picked up VVD for a song.
£5m was the advertised rate but he did not go for that. It is far from a pittance for us but it is a justifiable fee for the right type of player i.e. one who does not demand superstar wages on top of it.
I am afraid that other clubs spending is a concern of ours because we do not get to make free bids for players with no competition. I painted 3 scenarios as to why Alfie did not come to us for £5m to compete with your simpler view that we did not want to spend £5m and could have got him for that easily. I still assert that my scenarios fit the facts more than yours do. If he would have gone for £5m, why did he not go? Why did no one buy him? Why did bigger clubs or other Dutch outfits like the cash rich Ajax, who transferred Eriksen and Aldereweild not pick up this no-brainer?
My life would be a lot easier on here if I went down the populist line that, aye, our Board lack ambition, just undermine us and only want our money and don’t care if we win or lose. It is an easy thought to hold and guaranteed to get plenty of Celtic fans nodding in agreement. The only trouble with it is that it has the slight disadvantage of being patently untrue.
Our “Very good season”could go down in flames shortly.We may not even make the Europa.Now signing a striker may not have altered this fact,but it would certainly have improved our chances of doing so.
All of that doom may come about. I predicted at the start of our Europe campaign that we were a 4th seed and 4th spot is what I and the bookies expect us to occupy. Anything above that is a great success but occupying 4th spot, while disappointing, fits no description of failure except that of failure to do better than expected.
Logically, you cannot mix the word “certainly” with “improved chances”. One is a guarantee, the other is a likelihood. The phrase should read We may have improved our chances. It remains a gamble with no guarantees and no certainty.
With the CL money being increased to almost double in 2015,I would expect,even demand our board make sure that we are fully prepared in future.No half assed panic signings a week before our first game.We have the basis of a very good team.Lets give it a cutting edge and stop all this penny pinching.We have the greatest chance in our history to build a dynasty,instead of which we are gambling with it.
You can demand what you like and make your own decisions on it but the hard headed men charged with keeping us afloat will still decide that some targets are too rich for us or too risky. We will still be forced into accepting targets from list 2 or 3 and you and others will describe them as panic or half-assed.
Improving a club is slow and hard work. You cannot buy Hooper for £2m, sell him for £5m, and spend £5m on his replacement. The profit made on the sale has to cover the costs of your unsuccessful buys and your insurance for buys that get injured. So at best, you can spend £2.5m on Hooper’s replacement and, if you keep repeating the trick successfully move up to £3m buys the time after that and reach £5m buys in 6 to 10 trading cycles. Ajax have sold players for £20m plus but you do not see them buying at that price.
We are trying to square a circle here. With guaranteed SPL title wins (and fan boredom it seems) we need European football. We need players who can manage both levels, the grind and the glitter. Finbogasson might have been one. We shall soon see, if or when he is transferred next, if it happens to be a club competing in Europe.
Celtic will go on with the best model to suit our square circle demands.
The argument that we’ll sell any talented youngsters also applies to Ajax. Let’s have a look at some recently lauded graduates of their youth system.
Gregory van der Wiel – sold to PSG for £5M aged 24
Nigel de Jong – sold aged 21 to Hamburg for 1M Euros
John Heitinga – joined Atletico Madrid for £8.8M aged 24
Wesley Sneijder – went to real Madrid aged 23 for 27M Euros
Rafael van der Vaart – joined Hamburg aged 22 for 5.5M Euros
Now a lot of these guys made there debut in their late teens so they’re getting at least 2-3 seasons with the 1st team, but clearly they were good enough to do so and also a step above what we’re producing.
However we are also starting to introduce players at a younger age ie Darnell Fisher is 19, very young for a defender to be making good first tem starts, and hasn’t looked uncomfortable. If he can be kept and be the 1st choice at 20/21 if he’s sold at 23/24 for oodles of cash then well be approaching the Ajax model.
Hope this works,just to cheer me up!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycm7kkeyjez9mke/2013-07-02%2009.31.35.jpg
SFTB
Excellent post. Well reasoned and articulate.
tommytwiststommyturns supporting wee oscar
12:21 on 11 November, 2013
Best to call BT….. Your current SP will tell you anything to keep you with them for as long as possible…