Celtic surrendered another two points to fall further behind in the championship race, drawing 0-0 at home against Hibernian. It was a unorganised looking performance from the home team who gave Graham Stack little to do in the Hibernian goal.
Gary Hooper squandered Celtic’s only gilt-edged chance of the game when, after playing a one-two with Anthony Stokes, he struck the outside of the post with Ki available for the square pass. Anthony Stokes had earlier tested Stack, who failed to hold the ball but did enough to clear.
When the same teams met on Wednesday James Forrest transformed the game when he drifted inside but he spent most of today’s game adrift on the right wing. On two occasions he cut inside with purpose, once testing Stack with a blistering shot from 22 yards and later when a 25 yard pile-drive struck the crossbar, but Hibs were content to limit Celtic to such speculative efforts.
Neil Lennon was justified in his criticism of his front pairing of Stokes and Hooper today but Celtic were equally clueless in midfield. There appeared to be no cohesion and there was certainly not a productive match plan.
Motherwell’s away win in Inverness gives the Lanarkshire side a three point lead, having played a game more, going into next week’s crucial game against Celtic at Fir Park. Manager-less St Johnstone dropped three points at home this afternoon, leaving them four points behind Celtic in the fight for the last Europa League place.
This is where we are people, scrapping between Motherwell and St Johnstone. Get used to it.
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29 October, 2011 at 21:53
antrimkev
Were you saying that before kick off in Inverness last season?
Sean, simple yes or no with your reasons
glendalystonsils at 21:30
Some of Celtic players are wrong characters for that big club. Too many can not get on together on the pitch.
pggtips2
Wouldnt like to send you back for supplies. Ur teas out pal!!!!
BT
Will never lose the faith mi amigo, I’m hurting like all Tims are hurting, our club is going through a dark time, and the enemy, and they are the enemy, are doing what they please.
They are killing us these peepil, somehow they have to be stopped.
Aye, I will be over before the season is out, the Beautifull One will be coming this time, the last time she was there we won 3-0.
“Somos el Celtic”
ftsfa
Im watching Faulty Towers
antrimkev
on here I will do my best to stick up for what I believe in.. I believe in lenny if he has the guts to sack his
friends and keep his job…
offline I will talk to Celtic fans…
too many hunfiltrators on here….(not that you are one btw)
I’m afraid it’s time up for NL and the rest of the management team. It’s not working and there are no signs that it will all click just because we want NL to succeed.
We’re disjointed and often lack urgency and leadership.
We gave Mowbray too long, everyone knew with him in October it wasn’t happening but he was here till March.
I think we are already in the embarrassing position of needing the Huns to get docked points just to get back into the hunt. How many of us really think even with the current management and players we would win after this?
I’m not angry, I’m getting too apathetic to lose the rag over a shower of overpaid fair weather players.
I’m not a finacial expert. In fact, i’m not an expert in anything.what’s an ‘expert’ anyway.
I would like to ask though: How much would it cost me, us , a fans collective etc, to buy the majority of celtic shares that would allow us to take control of Celtic?
Any ideas?
If that’s what it takes, the that’s what should be done.
The 100,000 mile journey starts with the first step and we need to get off our mark, ’cause the quicker we start, the quicker we finish the journey.
DIG?
After the Motherwell game at CP ,did Neil not say that El Kadr had been on `the radar` since pre Izzy days ?
That alone got me thinking..
Clyde news just now point out that the huns are 9 points ahead of rivals Motherwell.
TeT
look forward to it, I will bring the beautiful to meet you both..
might bring the wife too….
I thank you….I’m here all week
blantyretim
no problem mate
head is melted tonight, something is very very wrong at celtic
I want to ask a question of you Bhoys we are away to Motherwell next week how many of you are confident that we will bring home the three points? I will be honest and say im not confident thats how far we have fallen never mind Rangers lets concern ourselves with Motherwell. Sorry Neil but do the decent and sensible thing resign and walk away with your head held high the job is just to big for you at this stage of your managerial carreer.H.H.
I’m not a financial expert. In fact, i’m not an expert in anything.what’s an ‘expert’ anyway.
I would like to ask though: How much would it cost me, us , a fans collective etc, to buy the majority of celtic shares that would allow us to take control of Celtic?
Any ideas?
If that’s what it takes, the that’s what should be done.
The 100,000 mile journey starts with the first step and we need to get off our mark, ’cause the quicker we start, the quicker we finish the journey.
DIG?
THE EXILED TIM:
People are frustrated and angry mate, more so than I have seen for years. The media do not have to do it. People are looking around for someone to blame, because they know it does not have to be like this. They know the crisis at Celtic is something un-neccessary, that the soul has been ripped out of the club. Many do not wish to believe the people inside our club are responsible for it, so they look elsewhere for someone or something to blame.
I told Auldheid two years ago that until we sorted the problems inside our own house we would never move forward. I said last season, when the Aiden McGeady transfer cash was banked instead of being invested in the team as we had been promised, that I considered our board as having told us lies and that until some of them moved on we would not heal.
I said at Kilmarnock that of all the results we could have got at half time, the draw was the worst because it would paper over the cracks and give a lift to those who thought the corner was going to be turned.
The corner long since passed out of the rear-view mirror. It is behind us. Miles ago.
To move forward, this club will have to shed blood and be transformed, from the top to the bottom.
You know, for all the troubles at Ibrox, they are in a position I can only look at with some envy. They are on the cusp of a fresh start, and whether that start is with a new identity in a lower division, their future is a clean slate and a chance to rebuild not simply their squad but their entire club. If the right decisions are taken there they will be in a stronger position than they’ve been in since Murray took over and started spending millions.
If Whyte sells, takes his profit, and vanishes, the likelyhood is high that they will find a responsible, rational owner, motivated by their best interests and determined to take long-term decisions which will restore their place – and reputation – in the game.
Yes, I can only look at that with envy. I also look at the possibility their relegation and harsh punishment would be a fresh start for the entire Scottish footballing model, and that would be a tremendous benefit for the whole game.
The same failed strategy will still be in place at Celtic. The same failed men still running the show. Our own “fresh start” has never seemed harder to see, or further away. To sack Lennon now would be a stop gap, his replacement chosen from men even less fit for the manager’s chair than an untried rookie. At least with one of those you buy into the potential of success. You choose from the ranks of the also-rans and you are buying failures, pure and simple, trying to put glitter on a pile of dung. A McGhee will not restore us, nor a Houston, nor a Levein. Men who have proved only one thing – that they are failures – will not succeed in one of the hardest football jobs there is. Ask Martin O’Neill, who has had pressure in his life but nothing that prepared him for Celtic. Ask Gordon Strachan, a man more misunderstood perhaps than anyone in our history, a man who did not come here as one of us but left one one of us, a Celtic man in heart and soul but who found his own limitations hampering him in his final years.
Our club has become very, very, very good at looking outside at troubles. We, the fans, have become obsessed by Rangers plight, by the songs of their fans, by the way they conduct their affairs. We have become obsessed with the way decisions are taken at the SFA, at the BBC, at the the Daily Record. We have become media watchers, those people political parties hire and pay to look for examples of bias, and we are easily riled to anger by the slightest provocation.
We have developed an idea about ourselves which has become dangerous. That solidarity in the face of all these enemies is the only path we can pursue. Even as Rangers have won their three titles, our focus was elsewhere; on the Famine Song, on Big Jock Knew, on Dallasgate, on Murray, on the refs conspiracy, on SFA reform … always somewhere other than inside. Our board may not have built a lucky team on the park, but they have been extraordinarily luck off of it, as we always seem to find something else with which to occupy our minds, and the creative resources we can bring to bear are ALWAYS targeted at external foes.
In the meantime, our soul is stripped away. Our expectations are lowered. Our principles are sold off to the lowest bidder. When we said No More Old Firm, the response of the board was to sign a deal with the Devil. When we demanded Neil Lennon was to be backed, he went to Portugal to watch a target man whilst the contracts team was sent to Sweden to sign a prospect. When the Green Brigade’s members are being arrested, when our club is being demonised, we are told to “be careful” what we wish for.
I wish for an end to this, or this will put an end to me. There are less stressfull pastimes, and when we can, and do, cope with relationships which end, jobs we lose, circumstances in our lives which change often faster than we can keep up with them, when we lose family and friends to the cold hands of Death and cope with it, is it a stretch to think I could leave this behind?
And worst of all, we pay for the privelage of this pain. We spend money we cannot afford on outcomes in which, we are constantly told, we have no stake. We support, with our hard earned cash, things we are reminded that we cannot change.
Stop the World, I want to get off. This is not how it’s supposed to be.
One thing we didnt need just now is this stupid Euro cup.
BT
Agree with you.
C u in PV.
falkirkbhoy,
i agree that there are deficiencies in the management team too, the constant changing of the team (even allowing for injuries), the lack of goals scored from set pieces, repeated concession of early goals in europe, same mistakes being repeated in consecutive games suggest the manager doesnt know his best team and that either the training and coaching is substandard or the players aren`t listening.
i do think though that ultimately you can`t make a silk purse out a sow`s ear, we need to stop shopping in the pound shops of Dundee Utd, Hibs, and the English lower leagues, unless we want to turn into a team and club of Hibs standing ourselves.
G64
whit?, when ?, where?
In a week or so.. Soon.. anyway..
We wull be playing agin the Motherwell..
Right?
Only a hop skip and a Jump, awhile ago..
WE BEAT THE PANTS AFF THAT Same MOTHERWELL SIDE.!!
Right?
Damn Right..
That Game was wan of the finest displays that we hiv goat fae Oor Team of inconsistent Donkey… fur Donkeys..
We wur Magnificent, that day..
Right?
Noo. we are gonna Play that Same Motherwell.. soon…and for the Second Time..
Whit is the Sixty Four dollar Question that Ah wiz thinking??.. gie ye three Guess..
Right, first Time..
“Whit Celtic Team is Gonna Turn Up , oan that Day?”
Well, your guess is as guid as Mine.
.
And
There shouldnae be Any guessing aboot it..
Fur..
Like Ah said..
Celtic, Will be,essentially, using the Same Players in the Upcoming Motherwell game ,as they did in the FOUR TO NIL THRASHING. which, those Same Players gave to the Same Motherwell a few weeks ago..
We Should Eat the Motherwell …
But..
Wull They??
Like Ah Dinna say…for…
That is A Sixtyfour THOUSAND Dollar Question..instead.
Fur Ah hid tae change the Amount…
And that is why they are called…”Sixty Four Thousand Dollar Qiestions”
Because..
They are no Easy tae Answer!!
Kojo
EDB
Question to Dazliel on Clyde this evening – will Lennon still be manager of Celtic
at the end of the season?
His answer – no.
Delahun replies, good answer.
They hate Neil, they hate us.
PF912912 says:
29 October, 2011 at 21:55
I love Lenny, I have avidly defended him until today – but there comes a time when my Love for Celtic comes first – that was today.
If we had a Board / CEO with vision, ambition and courage Lenny would not have been appointed.
He was and he deserved our support for as long as there was a chance of winning the SPL..that chance is gone – best for both Lenny and Celtic that they part.
S69
thats why we need to KTF…
James Forrest is Lennon says:
29 October, 2011 at 22:05
James ,you envy the huns going into admin??????
Would you like to re-type that line ?
get a grip
1. celticbob,
for a start there are problems with the scouting/recruitment of players, constant speculation that the manager does not have sole authority on this, the loan signing of el kaddouri for one raises eyebrows, he starts 2 games and is then discarded in favour of playing midfielders or right backs in that position. That suggests to me one of two things:-
1. The manager had El Kaddouri imposed upon him, knew nothing about him, played him, was concerned at his performances and dropped him.
2. The manager wanted El Kaddouri, after 2 games realises he has made an error of judgement, and has discarded him.
Whatever it is, it is a worry, why do we keep signing players who we quickly come to realise won`t do, they cant make the team, cant improve the team, just draw a wage and we fritter more money away.
I agree on scouting, recruitment of players… as far as who the manager can sign I don’t know. Lennon has to come out and tell us if things are not right in that department.
What I know for sure is the quality of player is reducing every year.
I am not for sacking Neil Lennon as I don’t see it achieving anything.. the problems are to deep rooted. As BT said earlier the club is wrong from top to bottom. Change is needed but on all levels.
The quality of football on show today at Celtic Park was the worst I can remeber in 35 years and I have seen some bad Celtic teams.
Fans are being short changed.
Watched hooper today everytime he received the ball his back was to the goal…..so instead of turning beating his man and having a shot he prefered the pass to the side and then go on a wee run to let someone else have the responsibility of having a shot thereby he could connect if their was a richochet…….this guy is not the same hooper as last year…and i dont think he is going to get the goals to get us out of this hole….doesnt seem any better than scott mcdonald in my view…..LENNY IF YOU HAVE FALLEN OUT WITH COMMONS then make it up cos this is the only guy i see will bring improvement, we need goals goals goals….. time to drop hooper and play some of the young guys…must be someone who can kick a ball between the posts in the reserves….always said he was grossly over rated
blantyretim
Hail Hail mate.
CultsBhoy
Can I just say, you are a ……..
no I wont say it, I`ll just think it.
wilson says:
29 October, 2011 at 22:05
The club is rotten from the boardroom. a fans buy out is the answer, anyone up for it can have my few thousand.
James Forrest is Lennon says:
29 October, 2011 at 22:05
Best post of the evening, now organise a fans buy out.
1 – Coaching? Takes place behind closed doors at Lennoxtown – or should do. Further development as each match evolves – read the game, go with the flow. Act positively, don’t react , or you are just chasing the game as we currently do most of the time.
2 – Motivation? Exactly as above.
3 – Criticism? Of the team, individual players, units e.g. defence, midfield, attack (forgetting they are supposed to be a team and not 3 disparate units) or whatever. ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!!!
1+2+3 = the manager, or should do.
Neil :-
You signed most of them
You train them
You pick the team
You prepare them before the match, hopefully
When it doesn’t work, who is most responsible? Who has the opportunity/responsibility to change things when required – that is WHEN required and not according to your clock.
Seen enough of this group of players, on their better days, to know that the ability is there, certainly in SPL terms.
Also seen enough on their not so good days to realise that something is wrong and it’s not all their fault.
Only common denominator I can see is the dogma retain possession. Why? With minimal movement, minimal options for passing alternatives and almost no attacking choices, what’s the point? We do far too little positive with the possession we have.
I suggest that our players can’t get to grips with what they are expected to do because :-
They don’t understand it
They don’t believe in it
It’s just not them (Adam Matthews is not a LB, Joe Ledley is a CM, Ki doesn’t seem to know if he is attacking or holding CM, same for Beram except he plays without even seeming to expect support.)
Why? Why? Why?
I have the questions, I don’t have the answers.
Neil, I don’t think you have the answers either.
I don’t have the answers because I don’t have the skills.
Do you even understand the questions?
You have all your coaching badges, None of us, or at least very few (this is CQN after all) do.
You passed your courses – doesn’t mean you know more about football and/or management than we do. You just met other people’s criteria – like meeting like.
Big Jock probably couldn’t get his badges now – too much of an individual thinker to fit in (plus he was way ahead of his time).
Neil – do your job if you can. If you can’t at least keep your mouth shut in public.
Alex
seanbhoy69
I am now getting to the stage that i want to go to away matches rather that go to Celtic park…
think I’m trying to rediscover my youth…
voguepunter:
Do NOT misrepresent what I said.
I envy them the fact that they are about to embark on a new phase in their history, a complete clean slate and a fresh start, that whatever state they are in when their issues are resolved, they are on Year Zero with a chance to become something better. We are stuck in the mud, going nowhere, with no plan, stumbling blindly in the dark.
Yes, a fresh start would be better – infinitely better – than that. A chance to start again.
We did similar in 1994. What I would not give for that chance once more.
blantyretim
Make a start with Fir Park next week if you can mate.
We need all the support we can get.
Hail Hail.
Just checked the fitba coupons
Mine crap
Wife better than mine
Bhoy aged 7.9 up £ 52.00
Easy if yer in the know
celticbob,
I agree that changing the manager won`t magically change everything and that there are problems from top to bottom at the club.
To replace Neil Lennon with a Mark McGhee/John Collins/Michael O`Neill type – the kind of “candidates” I`d expect this board to pursue – while the same signing policy/scouting system remains in place would be like rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic.
We live in depressing times fholks.
Hard to see any real light at the end of the tunnel. We seem to be stuck in some weird dimension where, on paper we have all the right ingredients to make a great team, but sadly in practice it only happens sporadically. Like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates, with this current Celtic team you just never know what you are going to get.
A whole range of factors have contributed to this, and it will require quite a number of them being fixed to get us back on track.
Much and all as I admire Lenny, and respect all that he has tried to do under an unbrearable amount of pressure, he is for me at least a part of the overall problem. However, if we replace him then it has to be for someone that is going to be more than a Board “Yes” man. I have no idea who that might be but I am hopeful that he is out there. I am less hopeful that the Board will take such a positive step though. Hence the current gloom.
Forget about the Hunz problems, if we sort our own out then we need not concern ourselves with them.
James Forrest
I understand what you say mate but they will never have a clean slate,
they are, and always will be, the lowest of the low IMHO.
wilson- Around £17m (at current price).
S69
would love to be there but family commitments take over..
mini BT missed one home game this season… St J..