Lennybhoy thanks for sorting 2 tables for the Bhoys fae the Brig and surrounding areas, all I hav to do now is find a grand between now and you getting back from paradise
Cheers
And Hail Hail
FourGreenFields on
gerryfaethebrig
Try the stash under the mattress :-))
bankiebhoy1 on
bankiebhoy1
12:01 on
22 February, 2015
As well as complaining to the broadcaster……..and rightly so……..
The protestant church and whoever else should be urged to condemn thum…………………..
In times gone by how often have we had to sit thru a piece on the news on Bigotry where the only face and voice seen is some hapless Bishop – sleekitly caught in the cross-hairs of a camera whose only focus is…..obfuscation.
CallThumOooot! CSC
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on
Stringer bell
It’s not as if Izzy does much running
;-)
Burgas Hoops on
KC 1st goal & 3-0 16/1
Canamalar on
Which racist sectarian Chanel is the game on today ?
Just so I can do my bit to make my protestations before the game starts :)
Ma good lady hides it better than that, we had a couple of quid put by to put behind the bar, the bams can buy their own drink now !
There will be enough in the kitty to get your good self a juice or two
jinkyredstar cuts it back for Neil Lennon on
If the weather in Glasow is anything like here on Bute the game must be in doubt
Any word?
Celts Celts the Hai is here!
jinkyredstar cuts it back for Neil Lennon on
Hail even
FourGreenFields on
gerryfaethebrig
I’m in the Kerrydale just now , sipping Magners. This drinking at the football will never catch on :-))
Burgas Hoops on
Canamalar
12:12 on
22 February, 2015
Which racist sectarian Chanel is the game on today ?
eh……………………CTV -)
jinkyredstar cuts it back for Neil Lennon on
4GF
Lucky you – how’s the weather?
FourGreenFields on
jinkyredstar cuts it back for neil lennon
It’s dry inside :-))
FourGreenFields on
jinkyredstar cuts it back for neil lennon
Seriously , it’s pretty wet in Glasgow.
Canamalar on
Burgas..,
Smells innit:)
jackie mac on
It’s not on the TELLY !! gotta get celtictv
FourGreenFields on
Forgot to mention the great music to go with the Magners in the Kerrydale .
proudbhoy on
Good few changes.. would like to have seen is start with 2 up top
Still good to see few bhoys get a start
....PFayr supports WeeOscar on
Canamalar
Johansen is a machine …as fit a football player as I’ve ever seen ….never tires …not sure he needs a rest
Caberfeigh on
very wet in Glasgow just for a change cmon the hoops
proudbhoy on
Have inter played league game this weekend ?
Any one know the score…
Capt Haddock (formerly known as tomcourtney) on
My BT complaint…
The continuous, and clearly audible on my dodgy stream, anti catholic chanting and the racism directed to Mr Collymore from the Rangers fans was totally unacceptable.
BT Sport, as a reputable broadcaster, should immediately suspend coverage of the rangers games.
Mr Collymore should be re instated immediately, a glance at the rangers fan forums (over 18’s only) will show this underclass are celebrating Mr Collymore’s removal from the panel as a victory. BT therefore encouraged this attitude and has to accept a portion of the blame for the racist chanting.
Shame on you BT Sport, if I was a subscriber I would cancel.
Caberfeigh on
good to see forest starting and commons back thought our two new boys have been great. Big big games coming up thick and fast now
thetimreaper on
Inter play tomorrow night versus Cagliari.
glendalystonsils on
Johansen is like a dynamo. The more he plays, the more he gets charged up!
Auldheid on
Something to chew over before the game. Mine from TSFM
Allyjambo says:
February 21, 2015 at 11:43 am
My complaint to BT.
“I subscribe to BT Sport.
Last night I watched the Raith Rovers v Rangers football match on BT Sport. On a number of occasions offensive songs, banned by the Scottish Government, and therefor illegal, were clearly audible on your broadcast. Although I am not one of the targets of those songs, ie I am neither Catholic nor Irish (nor do I support Celtic), I do find them offensive and know, as a fact, that they do incite violence.
==========================
Your latter point reminds me of an article I wrote in the days that The Famine Song was the subject of debate. It was aimed at the Celtic support but I think it crosses all club divides.
I’d prefer that football would leave all its non football baggage at the turnstile on its way in to a game but as that for some is to lose their identity (or perhaps more accurately what they identify with) I think that a forlorn hope. So on a pragmatic basis ( I know its not a word in the football lexicon or it would be close season today) I offer the following with a post script.
How To Tell if a Song is Sectarian.
Every now and then a songs debate flares up in Celtic Cyberspace and the one thing you can be sure of is no agreement will emerge. This will always be so unless there is a set of criteria to go by.
Examining The Billy Boys offers one set of criteria for a sectarian song in that the words “up to our knees in Fenian blood” offers violence to a person of an identifiable religious faith either directly or in this case by inference, fenian = Catholic. (see post script)
If you take the Soldiers Song or The Fields that are deemed acceptable by Celtic if I understand it correctly. The thing about these songs is that they are “inward aimed” or “centred on self” celebrating that sense of self.
Sectarianism is defined as ” bigotry, discrimination, prejudice or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement.
The key words are sub divisions WITHIN a group. The group involved with The Fields or Soldiers is a single group where no intolerant sub division exists on this matter.
For a song to be sectarian it has to project OUTWARD from that group ideas or beliefs that the group wish to impose on others or to express distaste or hatred for those OUTSIDE the group.
The key words are inward celebration and outward projection. The first cannot by definition be sectarian but the latter depending on the words can.
So why not use those criteria to at least draw a line?
Now on what is objectionable to others: songs that are inward celebrating might cause offence to others but they are the ones taking offence, it is not being offered to or aimed at them. It is something intolerant in them that sparks the offence taken. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, why not offence?
We as Celtic supporters are not responsible if others take offence at our songs of inward celebration. It is only when outward projection as in say add ons occurs that sectarianism might apply.
These criteria would apply to Rangers songs as well as our own where they too have songs of inward celebration.
This debate has been going on for ever. You would think someone would have penned official criteria from usage by now to give guidance to supporters.
Note criteria is NOT a song list. Folk can use the criteria to look at what they sing and maybe think about why they are singing what they are. Inward celebration of belief/faith/culture/tradition or outward projection of those things on to others?
Question the motivation, using the criteria, not the words.
shows why UEFA came down hard on The Billy Boys in 2006 and should be part of the SPFL investigation on The Billy Boys. It is not because it is offensive (although it is) but it is threatening and that in my opinion is why it must be challenged and defeated or anarchy reigns in our game where threats seem to be the knee jerk response to a reasonable request to behave.
corkcelt on
I think Ronny has put out the correct team. Looks like Stokes has burned his bridges, Scepovic is now definitely our 3rd choice striker. Wouldn’t give up on him yet though, if Guidetti goes, he could come back into the picture.
Capt Haddock (formerly known as tomcourtney) on
Post Scriptum
Forgot, I also included a link to the Herald article re the UEFA action in my BT complaint.
Canamalar on
…PF…,
Nae disrespect to Hamilton but when there is a chance to let the engine purr for a wee while, it does more good than harm.
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Surely not
Today’s line-up: Gordon; Ambrose, Denayer, van Dijk, Izaguirre; Brown, Bitton; Commons, Johansen, Forrest; Guidetti.
Time to log in and post for a podium?
Celtic subs: Zaluska, Matthews, Armstrong, Mackay-Steven, Griffiths, Wakaso, Henderson.
5-0 today !
Coybig
When did Izzy last miss a game for us?
Lennybhoy thanks for sorting 2 tables for the Bhoys fae the Brig and surrounding areas, all I hav to do now is find a grand between now and you getting back from paradise
Cheers
And Hail Hail
gerryfaethebrig
Try the stash under the mattress :-))
bankiebhoy1
12:01 on
22 February, 2015
As well as complaining to the broadcaster……..and rightly so……..
The protestant church and whoever else should be urged to condemn thum…………………..
In times gone by how often have we had to sit thru a piece on the news on Bigotry where the only face and voice seen is some hapless Bishop – sleekitly caught in the cross-hairs of a camera whose only focus is…..obfuscation.
CallThumOooot! CSC
Stringer bell
It’s not as if Izzy does much running
;-)
KC 1st goal & 3-0 16/1
Which racist sectarian Chanel is the game on today ?
Just so I can do my bit to make my protestations before the game starts :)
Izzy is a Celtic Machine:))
Love the wee guy…
Mon the Hoops..
Would have given Johansen a rest today
fourgreenfields
12:07 on 22 February, 2015
Ma good lady hides it better than that, we had a couple of quid put by to put behind the bar, the bams can buy their own drink now !
There will be enough in the kitty to get your good self a juice or two
If the weather in Glasow is anything like here on Bute the game must be in doubt
Any word?
Celts Celts the Hai is here!
Hail even
gerryfaethebrig
I’m in the Kerrydale just now , sipping Magners. This drinking at the football will never catch on :-))
Canamalar
12:12 on
22 February, 2015
Which racist sectarian Chanel is the game on today ?
eh……………………CTV -)
4GF
Lucky you – how’s the weather?
jinkyredstar cuts it back for neil lennon
It’s dry inside :-))
jinkyredstar cuts it back for neil lennon
Seriously , it’s pretty wet in Glasgow.
Burgas..,
Smells innit:)
It’s not on the TELLY !! gotta get celtictv
Forgot to mention the great music to go with the Magners in the Kerrydale .
Good few changes.. would like to have seen is start with 2 up top
Still good to see few bhoys get a start
Canamalar
Johansen is a machine …as fit a football player as I’ve ever seen ….never tires …not sure he needs a rest
very wet in Glasgow just for a change cmon the hoops
Have inter played league game this weekend ?
Any one know the score…
My BT complaint…
The continuous, and clearly audible on my dodgy stream, anti catholic chanting and the racism directed to Mr Collymore from the Rangers fans was totally unacceptable.
BT Sport, as a reputable broadcaster, should immediately suspend coverage of the rangers games.
Mr Collymore should be re instated immediately, a glance at the rangers fan forums (over 18’s only) will show this underclass are celebrating Mr Collymore’s removal from the panel as a victory. BT therefore encouraged this attitude and has to accept a portion of the blame for the racist chanting.
Shame on you BT Sport, if I was a subscriber I would cancel.
good to see forest starting and commons back thought our two new boys have been great. Big big games coming up thick and fast now
Inter play tomorrow night versus Cagliari.
Johansen is like a dynamo. The more he plays, the more he gets charged up!
Something to chew over before the game. Mine from TSFM
Allyjambo says:
February 21, 2015 at 11:43 am
My complaint to BT.
“I subscribe to BT Sport.
Last night I watched the Raith Rovers v Rangers football match on BT Sport. On a number of occasions offensive songs, banned by the Scottish Government, and therefor illegal, were clearly audible on your broadcast. Although I am not one of the targets of those songs, ie I am neither Catholic nor Irish (nor do I support Celtic), I do find them offensive and know, as a fact, that they do incite violence.
==========================
Your latter point reminds me of an article I wrote in the days that The Famine Song was the subject of debate. It was aimed at the Celtic support but I think it crosses all club divides.
I’d prefer that football would leave all its non football baggage at the turnstile on its way in to a game but as that for some is to lose their identity (or perhaps more accurately what they identify with) I think that a forlorn hope. So on a pragmatic basis ( I know its not a word in the football lexicon or it would be close season today) I offer the following with a post script.
How To Tell if a Song is Sectarian.
Every now and then a songs debate flares up in Celtic Cyberspace and the one thing you can be sure of is no agreement will emerge. This will always be so unless there is a set of criteria to go by.
Examining The Billy Boys offers one set of criteria for a sectarian song in that the words “up to our knees in Fenian blood” offers violence to a person of an identifiable religious faith either directly or in this case by inference, fenian = Catholic. (see post script)
If you take the Soldiers Song or The Fields that are deemed acceptable by Celtic if I understand it correctly. The thing about these songs is that they are “inward aimed” or “centred on self” celebrating that sense of self.
Sectarianism is defined as ” bigotry, discrimination, prejudice or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion or the factions of a political movement.
The key words are sub divisions WITHIN a group. The group involved with The Fields or Soldiers is a single group where no intolerant sub division exists on this matter.
For a song to be sectarian it has to project OUTWARD from that group ideas or beliefs that the group wish to impose on others or to express distaste or hatred for those OUTSIDE the group.
The key words are inward celebration and outward projection. The first cannot by definition be sectarian but the latter depending on the words can.
So why not use those criteria to at least draw a line?
Now on what is objectionable to others: songs that are inward celebrating might cause offence to others but they are the ones taking offence, it is not being offered to or aimed at them. It is something intolerant in them that sparks the offence taken. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, why not offence?
We as Celtic supporters are not responsible if others take offence at our songs of inward celebration. It is only when outward projection as in say add ons occurs that sectarianism might apply.
These criteria would apply to Rangers songs as well as our own where they too have songs of inward celebration.
This debate has been going on for ever. You would think someone would have penned official criteria from usage by now to give guidance to supporters.
Note criteria is NOT a song list. Folk can use the criteria to look at what they sing and maybe think about why they are singing what they are. Inward celebration of belief/faith/culture/tradition or outward projection of those things on to others?
Question the motivation, using the criteria, not the words.
Post Script
This report
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/uefa-fine-and-warn-rangers-over-sectarian-singing-by-fans-governing-body-throws-out-original-not-guilty-verdict-1.19519
shows why UEFA came down hard on The Billy Boys in 2006 and should be part of the SPFL investigation on The Billy Boys. It is not because it is offensive (although it is) but it is threatening and that in my opinion is why it must be challenged and defeated or anarchy reigns in our game where threats seem to be the knee jerk response to a reasonable request to behave.
I think Ronny has put out the correct team. Looks like Stokes has burned his bridges, Scepovic is now definitely our 3rd choice striker. Wouldn’t give up on him yet though, if Guidetti goes, he could come back into the picture.
Post Scriptum
Forgot, I also included a link to the Herald article re the UEFA action in my BT complaint.
…PF…,
Nae disrespect to Hamilton but when there is a chance to let the engine purr for a wee while, it does more good than harm.