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Charlie Mulgrew……….provides for me the proof for the cause of our current malaise.
He hasn`t in the last couple of months become as bad player.
corkcelt @22:06
Hail Hail
Tomorrow I will wake up a Tim and feel blessed.
Tonight is a dip in the roller coaster ride that is Celtic but we will be up again soon.
Good night all
countmyblessingsCSC
Lots of talk about money and lack of investment in the team. Understandable and I totally agree.
One thing that does puzzle me.
Does anyone and know the answer.
Are a team that play in Poland and have a 31,000 capacity stadium so much better off than us financially that they can turn it into so much superiority on the pitch?
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clashcitybhoy
22:09 on 6 August, 2014
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“PS , I saw SOMEONE quote we could
sell Stokes for £2.5m
Knock a zero off that, he was a failure
in England previously.”
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That Would Be Our Friend……
The ‘Great Sage Of Cambuslang’….!
Still….Laughin’
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Colour Blind Bhoy
One of the few who hasn’t been linked with a move, emotional and now very ordinary player especially in defence.
EWO
£16m for VVD and FF…nae chance
Deila is a dud ….his tactics are awful
************Hurkin Luns******************
Aberdeen 33/1 for the SPL!!!!
Time for a clearout, starting with Peter Lawell.
Time for Lawell & co to get off the gravy train, 10 Million for Mr Lawell, and counting.
Get rid off these idiots.
Sack the Board….
HH
G Spiers
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t is a bitter night for the club’s supporters, who have had it pretty good in Europe in recent times. But what else is this defeat?
A disaster? A crucial pointer to life about to unfold under Ronny Deila? A sign of a switched-off, mismanaging club board?
Emphatically, it is none of these things. Not in the here and now. There is plenty hot air around Celtic these days but this Legia Warsaw setback tells us almost nothing of any significance.
Far more acute for Celtic are these days and weeks ahead. Fraser Forster, surely, will leave the club. So might Virgil van Dijk and Adam Matthews. The immediate issue is what kind of new team Deila can create.
Celtic losing out on a potential Champions League place is certainly a financial blow – we can come back to that. But, in terms of Deila’s substance as the club’s manager, these early days tell us little.
This is the question: will Deila be a good or bad Celtic manager? That is among the two or three essential issues that Celtic supporters and the media wish to know. Right now, early August 2014, is no time to be groping for an answer.
Was Neil Lennon a good Celtic manager? Most would say, yes, he was, especially given his European record at the club. Yet Lennon, in his early days in charge, might well have been written off.
I was with Celtic in Braga back in July, 2010, when Lennon’s misery was compounded in that dire Champions League qualifying round second-leg.
A few weeks later, when Celtic capitulated 0-4 against Utrecht in Holland to miss out on the Europa League, things hardly looked rosy for Lennon in these early weeks in charge.
Yet any reliable judgement made about him then – just as with Deila now – would have been absurd. Months and years of telling evidence lay ahead.
Here’s another question: is Celtic a football club being run poorly, or being mismanaged? Okay, let’s look at a five-year cycle of evidence for an answer.
Celtic have played in the Champions League group-stage in each of the last two seasons. In five of the past six seasons the club has enjoyed European competition until Christmas or beyond. Three of these seasons were in the Champions League, two in the Europa League.
This is pretty decent. This looks to me like a football club that has got it right. A club that has taken its supporters on quite a few jaunts around the Continent.
Losing out on a potential £17m-plus Champions League bounty is certainly painful for Celtic. The club has thrived in recent seasons on such feasts. In fact, it’s worth looking again at the Celtic finances.
If we are to believe the bare stats, Celtic are flush with money. In their last full-year accounts they boasted pre-tax profits of £10m, on turnover of £76m, and a net cash in bank for the year of a tidy £3.7m.
On top of lucrative Champions League monies raked in over the past two seasons, a further £17m was collected in the sales of Gary Hooper, Victor Wanyama and Kelvin Wilson.
Whatever way you view this, the running of Celtic has looked exemplary. The more so when you consider the catastrophe to have engulfed Rangers, and financial decisions at Ibrox which led to the dissolution of the old club.
It’s hard to have it both ways with Celtic – yet many want to. The club is lauded – rightly – for its financial success story. Yet almost in the same breath CEO Peter Lawwell is harangued for being miserly and tight-fisted.
It seems odd that the Celtic board is both lauded and rebuked in the same sentence. Whatever the case about the team needing fresh and bold investment – and that means hard outlay – the last five years of strong stewardship cannot be disputed.
Over the next few days Celtic supporters will be highlighting an overly-cautious investment policy. Certainly, last summer, in such players as Amido Balde and Derk Boerrigter, it didn’t look right. The club spread its little jam too thin.
But the greater evidence, of rude financial health and regular European football, has been a godsend to Celtic fans. The journey has been pretty enjoyable.
Like everyone else, I’m keen to know if Deila is going to be a Tony Mowbray or a Gordon Strachan (or even a Paul Le Guen). Right now, like everyone else, I haven’t got a clue.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
22:19 on 6 August, 2014
Charlie Mulgrew……….provides for me the proof for the cause of our current malaise.
He hasn`t in the last couple of months become as bad player.
Correct. However, he never was and never will be a midfielder.
What are Celtic for?
Are we now just a soccer supermarket where we buy in cheap and then sell at a profit?
That’s OK if your Aldi or Lidl. You customers will quite like that cos it’s still cheaper than buying elsewhere. But we’re not “customers”. We’re “supporters”. We don’t want to “shop” anywhere else.
So, what now. We’ve already lost Hooper, Wanyama, Samaras, Ledley and Wilson. Are we now to lose FF, VVD and Kris? To what end? To keep us as still the only CL entrant that doesn’t have ANY debt?
What is that all about.
So, WHAT are Celtic ACTUALLY for???
Legia scorers Zyro and Kucharczyk, played well through both legs, aged 21 and 23.
Duda, also played well throughout – aged 19
Kosecki – who came on as sub in 1st leg and ripped us up for toilet paper – aged 23
Never mind we’ve got the eternally promising but equally eternally crocked youngster Jamesey – aged 23.
Not to mention our other “projects”……
Glendalystonsils & up the dubs
Shortbread has been fairly balanced tonight, some stuff said, that I didn’t agree with but overall good coverage.
Never thought I would ever say this but billy dodds talking a lot of sense.
Sure someone mentioned on here during the game that the Celtic tv commentators were deluded.
I know which one I prefer.
It’s not that our manager is a rookie, it’s the fact that he is….well……not very good.
The football landscape has changed.
VVD and Forster are the last. There are no more under the radar bargains.
Good players cost money.
You need to spend.
We obviously don’t spend.
It’s not the league. Its not TV money. It’s not sponsorship. It’s not advertising.
These are not excuses anymore.
Having no money is not an excuse anymore. It’s 2014.
All this ‘it’s the situation we find ourselves in’ nonsense has got to stop.
No one in Europe is interested in Celtic’s hard luck stories of league status and population statistics etc.
We’re supposed to find solace in the Hun liquidation
CFC means more to me than a dead shower of bangers
tictaewin
So how much should we spend?
Starry Plough
Good to see someone analysing what took place.
Getting mugged in mid field tends to be a feature of our play against good opposition.
mozzer is still god
22:13 on
6 August, 2014
Macjay1 for Neil Lennon
Yes it is! More to tell, but can’t do the media’s job for them…….
Leaks are a plenty, which is a big change from NL’s days believe me.
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Interesting before.
Fascinating now. :-)
As long as our beloved Celtic are better off at the end of the process.
Pedro
Radio Scotland were very pointed in their criticism of CFC …I couldn’t disagree with most of their comment
Some of our number don’t like the truth
The Green Man
22:21 on
6 August, 2014
Time for a clearout, starting with Peter Lawell.
Time for Lawell & co to get off the gravy train, 10 Million for Mr Lawell, and counting.
Get rid off these idiots.
Sack the Board….
*oh dear another one….the huns are terrified of PL and would love it if he left.
The two matches are showing up certain players and it is not unlike what happened to Davie Moyes as he got stitched up by certain players in the dressing room.
NL had his favourites and some of their contributions has been way below average.
There are many players there good, bad, indifferent signed by NL because PL cant be blamed for every signing.
Chins up. We are learning to play sustainably on a limited budget. There is no immediately obvious route to a mega-bucks league so we have to operate in our environment – which is full of uncertainty. As others have said, get behind Ronny and the players he brings in!
It is time for a clearout and refresh. We all know that the money in the EPL is obscene and the whole house of cards will tumble at some stage. The board are having to make unpopular decisions but these are about the long term survival of the club. KTF HH.
oisin71
22:14 on
6 August, 2014
This present Celtic board and major shareholders have turned into the Grants, Whites & Kellys of yesteryear.
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White and Kelly gave us big Jock.
Think Spiers article is pretty fair
Brnobhoy
Without breaking the bank, we can spend £10-12m this summer quite easily.
Last year we got around £35m, year before about £20m.
If we sell FF and VVD, we can spend all that.
Need a striker, a proper recognised goalscorer. £5m is needed – but of course no guarantee of success but need the gamble.
3 more £3m players – CM, winger and CB
We don’t find solace in Rangers’s liquidation, we just remind a lot of the imposters on here what they really support when they come on here
I have seen umpteen posts tonight about Hooper, Wanyama et al.
As if these players were forced out of the club.
The fact of the matter is that each and every such player (with the possible exception of Ledley) has indicated a desire to play in the EPL (and no doubt earn the wages that accompanies it).
Once again, I’ll repeat that tonight we had an English international keeper, a wannabe Dutch inter’l defender, another who played in the World cup, a midfielder whose retirement from Scotland squad is much lamented. I could go on. Tonight is about poor tactics and poor application. Both the manager and the players carry the can.
Legia won because they are fitter, had a better game plan and remained by and large switched on. Those are 3 qualities that Celtic have not possessed in either leg.
As for the moneybag purchases we hope for – you and I might be up for Rugby Park on a Wednesday night for 10grand a week. However, someone else might prefer the £30k a week playing away at Old Trafford.
Notthebus……..
I think we should spend £10M pounds on 2 players per year for 4 years. Without selling.
Woosterbhoy,
Legia were the superior team over the 2 legs. They had good shape and tactically played the perfect tie. Had they not missed 2 penalties then the score would have been 8-1 and a more honest reflection of what happened over the 2 games.
If you look at these games objectively, you will realise in terms of the lower national leagues of Europe we are a very poor team technically, tactically and have no strength, speed or commitment.
Legia are a decent side and I expect them to qualify to CL. So to answer your question, yes, they are a superior club in terms of football.
You only see what you want to see.
Squire danaher- can’t agree less. Been a proud follower of the hoops for many a year since It was the uniform worn by my father years ago……..the manager makes the team, decides the tactics, takes the flak. What did you see last week? Quote: team is not following instructions, not fit enough, making too many simple errors.
Good start for a young, inexperienced, no presence manager at a team like celtic…don’t you think?
Tontine Tim
The truth hurts I know, but we are being mugged by the PLC.
Im not responsible, its not me that’s diluting the greatness of Celtic.
Its Peter Lawell and his lackeys who are driving Celtic into the ground.
You are just fiddling while rome burns, or rather…clapping.
HH
Huns liquidation new club blah blah blah. I don’t give two monkeys bout that shower a shite. They will be back next year and whether we like it or not they will challenge that team that we have.
Absolutely criminal we have let our club fall to its current state. We should have been so far ahead of them by the time they come back that they won’t matter.
Fuckin devastated by this shambles. Lawell GTF.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
22:27 on
6 August, 2014
oisin71
22:14 on
6 August, 2014
This present Celtic board and major shareholders have turned into the Grants, Whites & Kellys of yesteryear.
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White and Kelly gave us big Jock.
*naw Kelly gave us Jock and White lost him.
Anybody who seriously thinks investing 4 million on a player here or there, in that Celtic set up, would have seen us beating Legia Warsaw, doesn’t understand the game, or the two legs of CL qualification, we’ve just witnessed.
Nite All CSC
macjay1 for Neil Lennon,
They also nearly ran the club into the brink of oblivion.
The will of the fans for change made the difference.
Pfayr
Very harsh based on 2 games.
The game in Poland his tactics and selection was woeful.
I think tonight he perhaps listened to John Collins for a way to play the players were most comfortable with.
He doesn’t know the players from Adam, which isn’t his fault.
He’s barely had any pre season friendlies to put practice into action and get them up to match fitness because of the shambolic scheduling of pre season friendlies in the midst of no Celtic Park.
I’ve liked enough of what I’ve heard fr Deila and the captain to give this guy a chance.
Id also use the fact our previous 2 managers both suffered exact same beginnings to their Celtic careers to urge caution with coming up with rash statements like a man being a dud.
Give him money to spend on his own players and if we are still as much of a shambles as we are right now – then you will have a valid point.
tictaewin
We signed Hooper, Wanyama and Ledley for £3m
Do you think that would be better value?
Have to say well done to Legia Warsaw they played well and were worthy winners in both legs
Hope they do well
Congratulations Mr Z