Interesting article on the Irish Famine in today’s Herald.
Prof. Tom Devine (rightly) says the memorial planned for Glasgow should not be based on comforting myths.
However, the article itself seems at pains to bolster possibly the most comforting myth of them all (at least to the SNP), blaming the Irish for sectarianism in Scotland. In two separate paragraphs it claims that sectarian hatreds were “imported from Ulster”.
Which, in a narrow sense, is true, but in a broader sense is a crock of Salmond. It’s not as if anti-Catholic bigotry was new to Scotland, it thrived here for centuries before the Irish came. It was still going strong until fairly recently, with major institutions of Scottish life still proudly discriminating against Catholics well into the 20th century. Protestant Irishmen and Catholic Irishmen weren’t responsible for that. They didn’t somehow trick the natives into joining Orange lodges and the like, under the impression they were joining a fruitery.
Come to think of it, wasn’t it the Scots who brought sectarian hatred to Ulster in the first place?
Hoopy New Year! (thumbsup)
ArranmoreBhoyLXV11 on
Sweeeeept away on my way to paradise. Youngest AB by side.
Circle of life..
HH
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on
Can anyone tell me if there is a normal train service today to Celtic Park or if it’s changed due to the holidays.
Paul67, Philvisreturns live for the podium, F5 every three seconds;-)
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on
Train times – anybody?
LuxCelt on
Kayal33 (from previous thread)
I’m sure he would have “got a game” in the championship…. perhaps he wanted to broaden his horizons. No? He isn’t english – so why would he necessarily want to play in that country’s second league? He isn’t even british as far as i am aware.
It seems to be a Scottish football malaise that players (and incredibly, fans too) ‘aspire’ to lower league mediocrity in their neighbouring country, simply because the pay is good. Perhaps mcgowan , who in the same way decided to cross the world from australia to scotland, has decided to experience another totally new culture, language, country, and playing style?
Barnsley, blackpool, millwall, ipswich etc might be an attractive proposition for a lot of brits, but fortunately many people (particularly other nationalities) are willing to expand their horizons a bit. Fortunately, it is attitudes like that, that keep the england team performing at a mediocre level, as they have zero players playing outwith the kick-and-rush epl.
philvisreturns on
Paul67 – How no?
Happy New Year to you Paul!
(thumbsup)
BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on
STEINREIGNEDSUPREME
Works for me,bud.
My capacity for alcohol fell off the cliff when I turned 40-roughly 15 years from now!
Cannyfacebeing25againnextyearCSC
philvisreturns on
Doc is Neil Lennon – Just remember: winners don’t use podium-enhancing substances. (thumbsup)
The Pantaloon Duck on
Ah, Philvis!
Ça plane pour toi!
Rocket Man on
Good afternoon and a big Hail Hail to you all! 3 points please Santa!
GourockEmeraldBhoy on
Vmhan if your lurking, zippy said he’s in with the GB today…. He’ll be lucky to make half time ;-)
HH
Big Georges Fan Club on
Bmcuw
LOL – you are undergoing the same age reversing process as me! Me and wee BGFC will be the same age in about 11 years.
OnlyasyoungasthewumminyoufeelCSC
Big Georges Fan Club on
Right – just finished watching the 7th Voyage of Sinbad – some real hun lookalikes on there – that Cyclops is a dead ringer for Bob-the-Bum Fleck.
Oh what a tangled web they weaved to protect the cheats by deceitful ways.
That stench you’ve been smelling throughout Scottish football – for all these years – has finally been isolated and narrowed down to just two areas of Glasgow; Ibrox and Hampden. Both these areas completely ran out of air-fresheners some time ago but, they’ve been frantically telling anyone who would listen that the rancid odours assaulting ones nasal passages were actually just the whiff of the finest succulent lamb being prepared in the respective kitchens of both establishments.
Having failed spectacularly to convince anyone over the source of said stench, they then did what any self respecting liars would do by trying to redefine what actually constituted a ‘stench’ in the first place. However, should that cunning ruse fail to convince, they have decided to just reconstruct the various levels of stench so that the manure foundation doesn’t taint or constrict the new weed which they want to grow and prosper at the expense of all the other flowers in the garden.
It makes no difference whether it is a statement from the SFA, SPL or SFL because every utterance that slithers its way out of their shared offices at Hampden is either an outright lie, an embellishment, a direct threat, an intended bribe or a deliberate exaggeration of the facts.
There is nothing that Neil Doncaster, Stewart Regan, David Longmuir, Campbell Ogilvie and Jim Ballantyne (amongst others ) would not attempt to pervert in order to give Sevco Scotland Ltd as soft a landing and at as high an altitude as possible.
The sheer scale and depth of the collusion and complete disregard for their own rules is best exemplified by SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, and SFL President, Jim Ballantyne, both being shareholders in the tax cheats and dual contract specialists formerly known as Rangers FC.
Most shockingly of all, though, Oglivie was actually a significant beneficiary of the Rangers EBT scheme yet is still allowed to influence this charade as President of the National association. With the full backing of his shameless Chief Executive, Stewart Regan. I might add.
Allowing the con and scam artists at the SFA, SPL and SFL to continue to oversee this is akin to asking Al Capone to police himself, prosecute himself and then decide on what punishment he should receive before finally announcing that, seeing as he has since changed his name to Sevco Capone, he now has no case to answer! And should, in actual fact, now be parachuted into a position as a Supreme Court Judge – where he would then rule that he also be allowed to keep all the ill-gotten gains of Al Capone (deceased and now sleeping with the fishes) because ‘it is in the best interests of criminals everywhere’.
The SFA had already corrupted their own rules, regulations and articles of association by granting Rangers a licence to play in last seasons competitions – both domestically and in Europe – when the small matter of the outstanding ‘wee tax bill’ was deliberately ignored, then fudged, and then shamelessly excused with a nod and wink and a handshake when this blatant breach was inconveniently pointed out to them.
It should also not be forgotten that it was this issue which led directly to Stewart Regan blocking people from his Twitter account. Lie, deny, deflect and then block.
Lets now look at how that first licence lie then snowballed into a ever increasing series of Rangers cluster bombs:
Denying other member clubs European places and monies.
Trading whilst insolvent.
Competing whilst wilfully withholding all tax and national insurance contributions.
Not paying football debts as they fell due.
Failure to produce up-to-date accounts.
A club – and administrators – happily sticking two fingers up at authorities and creditors alike.
The cowards in those shared Hampden offices had all the facts and evidence to kill Rangers off, once and for all, at the end of last season. That they all chose not to do so merely underlines their shared complicity in the ongoing Rangers Protection Racket and the corruption at the very top levels of our game.
Still no action taken over the use of dual contracts and the improper registrations of players. Still no action or punishment for taking the National association to court. Still no action against various representatives of Rangers/Sevco issuing threats and attempting to incite mob violence against employees and directors of other member clubs.
No, instead of finally getting around to taking any action against Rangers/Sevco the Scottish footballing authorities instead decided to drop any pretence of impartiality and actually joined Rangers/Sevco in issuing direct threats to the member clubs of all divisions.
That simply cannot be allowed to go unchallenged and unpunished.
I hope that supporters of all clubs will continue their great work by banding together to take those at the SFA and SPL, who were directly involved in this scam, to a court of law – where hopefully they will all be held fully accountable for their actions.
You see, the thing about lies is that once you start telling them you are then left with no choice but to continue to perpetuate the initial lie – unless you admit the lie, of course. But the SFA don’t do admitting liability. That’s because they are the liability. And the only way a liar can later deny a lie is by telling an even bigger lie in an attempt to reinforce and cover for the first one. The SFA are past – and present – masters of this dark art.
Regardless of what the coming days and weeks may bring, it is those sordid, Rangers protecting dark arts that have killed Scottish football.
philvisreturns on
The Pantaloon Duck – Mange tout, mon cassoulet! (thumbsup)
I know Black has a nasty streak but when you see that tackle you will know what I mean.
No place for it in any game of football, malice, intent and dare I say, career ending a possibility.
philvisreturns on
Doc is Neil Lennon – Thank you and you too my friend in Celtic.
I had a marvelous time, although it was considerably less violent than Christmas 1990 when my whole family went to Paris and forgot to take me. (thumbsup)
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – I don’t even know my own landline number. (thumbsup)
Big Georges Fan Club on
Oops – just switched to check the Annan score. Craigan says Rangers will have to realise that the “…lower league clubs blah, blah…” – Annan and Sevco are in the same league last time I looked – really in denial.
Right – really off now. Come on the Hoops!
BGFC
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on
Shocking tackle only a booking even Duffield thought he was lucky not to get a red. Craigan said it was a deserved yellow of course and that is without microscope vision. No mention of leg breaking. Yellow card suffices nicely.
HH
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Philvisreturns:
A podium, and a thought provoking one. Long may debate continue.
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I am the king of the divan! (thumbsup)
Cmon the hoops
Interesting article on the Irish Famine in today’s Herald.
Prof. Tom Devine (rightly) says the memorial planned for Glasgow should not be based on comforting myths.
However, the article itself seems at pains to bolster possibly the most comforting myth of them all (at least to the SNP), blaming the Irish for sectarianism in Scotland. In two separate paragraphs it claims that sectarian hatreds were “imported from Ulster”.
Which, in a narrow sense, is true, but in a broader sense is a crock of Salmond. It’s not as if anti-Catholic bigotry was new to Scotland, it thrived here for centuries before the Irish came. It was still going strong until fairly recently, with major institutions of Scottish life still proudly discriminating against Catholics well into the 20th century. Protestant Irishmen and Catholic Irishmen weren’t responsible for that. They didn’t somehow trick the natives into joining Orange lodges and the like, under the impression they were joining a fruitery.
Come to think of it, wasn’t it the Scots who brought sectarian hatred to Ulster in the first place?
Hoopy New Year! (thumbsup)
Sweeeeept away on my way to paradise. Youngest AB by side.
Circle of life..
HH
Can anyone tell me if there is a normal train service today to Celtic Park or if it’s changed due to the holidays.
Cheers
philvisreturns, how?
any team news
Oooh top 4 and that after having to jump to new article…
Hope hoops as sharp..
Don’t like the mullet
HH
Right – where’s the team sheet
REPOST………..
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
13:20 on
2 January, 2013
STEINREIGNEDSUPREME
Ah,that’s the weekend I travel back from Scotland-the 26th?
If you’re still around for the 27th-League Cup Semi v St Mirren-let me know,please.
I’ll book the Sunday night off,and hope I don’t need the Monday off as well!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS 13:20 on 2 January, 2013
I’ll let you know if I’m going down that weekend as soon as I know.
You wullnae need the Monday aff – I’ve put that madness behind me. Can’t handle the two-day hangovers anymore…
I’ve posted that twice … so it must be true…
Paul67, Philvisreturns live for the podium, F5 every three seconds;-)
Train times – anybody?
Kayal33 (from previous thread)
I’m sure he would have “got a game” in the championship…. perhaps he wanted to broaden his horizons. No? He isn’t english – so why would he necessarily want to play in that country’s second league? He isn’t even british as far as i am aware.
It seems to be a Scottish football malaise that players (and incredibly, fans too) ‘aspire’ to lower league mediocrity in their neighbouring country, simply because the pay is good. Perhaps mcgowan , who in the same way decided to cross the world from australia to scotland, has decided to experience another totally new culture, language, country, and playing style?
Barnsley, blackpool, millwall, ipswich etc might be an attractive proposition for a lot of brits, but fortunately many people (particularly other nationalities) are willing to expand their horizons a bit. Fortunately, it is attitudes like that, that keep the england team performing at a mediocre level, as they have zero players playing outwith the kick-and-rush epl.
Paul67 – How no?
Happy New Year to you Paul!
(thumbsup)
STEINREIGNEDSUPREME
Works for me,bud.
My capacity for alcohol fell off the cliff when I turned 40-roughly 15 years from now!
Cannyfacebeing25againnextyearCSC
Doc is Neil Lennon – Just remember: winners don’t use podium-enhancing substances. (thumbsup)
Ah, Philvis!
Ça plane pour toi!
Good afternoon and a big Hail Hail to you all! 3 points please Santa!
Vmhan if your lurking, zippy said he’s in with the GB today…. He’ll be lucky to make half time ;-)
HH
Bmcuw
LOL – you are undergoing the same age reversing process as me! Me and wee BGFC will be the same age in about 11 years.
OnlyasyoungasthewumminyoufeelCSC
Right – just finished watching the 7th Voyage of Sinbad – some real hun lookalikes on there – that Cyclops is a dead ringer for Bob-the-Bum Fleck.
BGFC
StopmotionmilesbetterthanCGIanydayoftheweekCSC
How Ian Black did not get a RED in that first half tackle is hunbelievable.
Can it be reviewed if he got booked?
http://www.vavel.com/en/football/scottish-premier-league/174165-corruption-intimidation-bribery-and-lies.html
Oh what a tangled web they weaved to protect the cheats by deceitful ways.
That stench you’ve been smelling throughout Scottish football – for all these years – has finally been isolated and narrowed down to just two areas of Glasgow; Ibrox and Hampden. Both these areas completely ran out of air-fresheners some time ago but, they’ve been frantically telling anyone who would listen that the rancid odours assaulting ones nasal passages were actually just the whiff of the finest succulent lamb being prepared in the respective kitchens of both establishments.
Having failed spectacularly to convince anyone over the source of said stench, they then did what any self respecting liars would do by trying to redefine what actually constituted a ‘stench’ in the first place. However, should that cunning ruse fail to convince, they have decided to just reconstruct the various levels of stench so that the manure foundation doesn’t taint or constrict the new weed which they want to grow and prosper at the expense of all the other flowers in the garden.
It makes no difference whether it is a statement from the SFA, SPL or SFL because every utterance that slithers its way out of their shared offices at Hampden is either an outright lie, an embellishment, a direct threat, an intended bribe or a deliberate exaggeration of the facts.
There is nothing that Neil Doncaster, Stewart Regan, David Longmuir, Campbell Ogilvie and Jim Ballantyne (amongst others ) would not attempt to pervert in order to give Sevco Scotland Ltd as soft a landing and at as high an altitude as possible.
The sheer scale and depth of the collusion and complete disregard for their own rules is best exemplified by SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, and SFL President, Jim Ballantyne, both being shareholders in the tax cheats and dual contract specialists formerly known as Rangers FC.
Most shockingly of all, though, Oglivie was actually a significant beneficiary of the Rangers EBT scheme yet is still allowed to influence this charade as President of the National association. With the full backing of his shameless Chief Executive, Stewart Regan. I might add.
Allowing the con and scam artists at the SFA, SPL and SFL to continue to oversee this is akin to asking Al Capone to police himself, prosecute himself and then decide on what punishment he should receive before finally announcing that, seeing as he has since changed his name to Sevco Capone, he now has no case to answer! And should, in actual fact, now be parachuted into a position as a Supreme Court Judge – where he would then rule that he also be allowed to keep all the ill-gotten gains of Al Capone (deceased and now sleeping with the fishes) because ‘it is in the best interests of criminals everywhere’.
The SFA had already corrupted their own rules, regulations and articles of association by granting Rangers a licence to play in last seasons competitions – both domestically and in Europe – when the small matter of the outstanding ‘wee tax bill’ was deliberately ignored, then fudged, and then shamelessly excused with a nod and wink and a handshake when this blatant breach was inconveniently pointed out to them.
It should also not be forgotten that it was this issue which led directly to Stewart Regan blocking people from his Twitter account. Lie, deny, deflect and then block.
Lets now look at how that first licence lie then snowballed into a ever increasing series of Rangers cluster bombs:
Denying other member clubs European places and monies.
Trading whilst insolvent.
Competing whilst wilfully withholding all tax and national insurance contributions.
Not paying football debts as they fell due.
Failure to produce up-to-date accounts.
A club – and administrators – happily sticking two fingers up at authorities and creditors alike.
The cowards in those shared Hampden offices had all the facts and evidence to kill Rangers off, once and for all, at the end of last season. That they all chose not to do so merely underlines their shared complicity in the ongoing Rangers Protection Racket and the corruption at the very top levels of our game.
Still no action taken over the use of dual contracts and the improper registrations of players. Still no action or punishment for taking the National association to court. Still no action against various representatives of Rangers/Sevco issuing threats and attempting to incite mob violence against employees and directors of other member clubs.
No, instead of finally getting around to taking any action against Rangers/Sevco the Scottish footballing authorities instead decided to drop any pretence of impartiality and actually joined Rangers/Sevco in issuing direct threats to the member clubs of all divisions.
That simply cannot be allowed to go unchallenged and unpunished.
I hope that supporters of all clubs will continue their great work by banding together to take those at the SFA and SPL, who were directly involved in this scam, to a court of law – where hopefully they will all be held fully accountable for their actions.
You see, the thing about lies is that once you start telling them you are then left with no choice but to continue to perpetuate the initial lie – unless you admit the lie, of course. But the SFA don’t do admitting liability. That’s because they are the liability. And the only way a liar can later deny a lie is by telling an even bigger lie in an attempt to reinforce and cover for the first one. The SFA are past – and present – masters of this dark art.
Regardless of what the coming days and weeks may bring, it is those sordid, Rangers protecting dark arts that have killed Scottish football.
The Pantaloon Duck – Mange tout, mon cassoulet! (thumbsup)
philvisreturns
13:38 on 2 January, 2013
Podium Champs pay their taxes and are clean;-)
Hope you had a good time over the festivities mate.
Happy New Year CQNrs
It sure looks like a damp and wet afternoon, hopefully it wont effect the performance, sober and upright after a quiet but tipsy time.
C’Mon the Celtic !
HH
On the bus heading for Paradise…. Not many finer feelings in life.
minceyheidman
If the Ref. deals with it at the time I don’t think the compliance officer can get involved, might be wrong here, not certain.
Philvis
By guessing the right thread number ?
11297
HH
Off me and the two weans go to section 141 – great view for the second half goal fest.
BGFC
Working, so can’t get to the game today…….keep the updates coming ….LOL.!!!
Which German …. No laughing at the back …is showing the tic game …. Or has my auld Ma still feeling the Hogmanay drink ?
HH
I know Black has a nasty streak but when you see that tackle you will know what I mean.
No place for it in any game of football, malice, intent and dare I say, career ending a possibility.
Doc is Neil Lennon – Thank you and you too my friend in Celtic.
I had a marvelous time, although it was considerably less violent than Christmas 1990 when my whole family went to Paris and forgot to take me. (thumbsup)
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – I don’t even know my own landline number. (thumbsup)
Oops – just switched to check the Annan score. Craigan says Rangers will have to realise that the “…lower league clubs blah, blah…” – Annan and Sevco are in the same league last time I looked – really in denial.
Right – really off now. Come on the Hoops!
BGFC
Shocking tackle only a booking even Duffield thought he was lucky not to get a red. Craigan said it was a deserved yellow of course and that is without microscope vision. No mention of leg breaking. Yellow card suffices nicely.
HH
Philvisreturns:
A podium, and a thought provoking one. Long may debate continue.