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  1. Auldheid on

    Its interesting that in the day of player power a manager is reminding his players that they signed contracts that he expects to be honoured. This piece from a couple of years back is about player power.

     

     

    The shirt no longer has the power it once had.

     

     

    Evolution Soccer – Revolution Soccer.

     

     

    “The socialism I believe in is everybody working for the same goal and everybody having a share in the rewards. That’s how I see football, that’s how I see life.” Bill Shankley. Liverpool FC.

     

     

    Football has experienced a curious phenomenon over the last ten years. Neither the fans nor the clubs can be considered the owners of the game. If we define ownership as the ability to dictate terms then it becomes self evident. The world’s best players and those who hang on to their coat tails now run the show and it filters down to the lower levels. These people are football’s new owners.

     

     

    How has this happened for it would be impossible in normal business? It happened because the player’s paymasters, the support, set no price on their desire for glory and success. The paymasters have become the slaves of glory and football is paying the ultimate cost.

     

     

    Along with the desire for glory at any price is the working man’s thinking that a player, like any working man, has the right to negotiate as high a reward for his labour as he can. As a left leaning Glaswegian who has had to strike for improved conditions in normal business, I subscribe to that notion and paid my dues to defend that right. However football is not like normal business. In normal business if a worker negotiates a wage that makes the company uncompetitive because the rise exceeds the income it will generate, that company will eventually go out of business. Thus a reality wage ceiling is in place. This is a good thing because it means the company can continue to offer employment to all its workers and continue to serve its customers.

     

     

    However in recent football history the influx of TV and sugar daddy money has enabled a wage to be offered that goes way beyond the business’s ability to sustain, but unlike normal business, clubs do not, by and large, go out of business. They find ways of reforming and carry on, but at a cost to those players not in the top earning bracket, or to the workers in companies who served them. It has meant smaller squads, fewer players able to earn.

     

     

    It is a curious socialist philosophy that supports a player’s right to get as much as he can from the game, but ignores the consequences for his fellow players/workers without whom there would be no game.

     

     

    A good analogy is in order here. Modern football is like a description of a scene from hell where a visitor looks into one room and sees an emaciated group around a table on which is set a large pot full of stew. They cannot eat because their arms have been set straight at the elbow and elongated so that they cannot get a spoon in their mouths. It is a miserable place. Then the visitor goes upstairs and enters a similar room with occupants similarly handicapped, but where everyone is well fed and contented. “How can this be?” he asks his guide. “Well downstairs all their energies are spent in the nigh impossible task of feeding their insatiable hunger, whilst up here they simply feed each other.”

     

     

    The thankless job of managing the downstairs room falls to the custodians of clubs, but their hands are tied by the players’ real paymasters, the support, demanding the custodians throw more food into the room, rather than teach the occupants the benefit of feeding each other for the good of all.

     

     

    Not all players and agents are greedy men, John Kennedy’s magnificent gesture to give his testimonial money to famine relief is a demonstration of this, and there are other players who also carry out charitable acts. However, overall, it is players who exploit the support using the support’s desire for success to demand from custodians wages that starve lower reaches of the game. There is more than enough finance to satisfy both players and supporters needs, it just needs to be distributed more equitably.

     

     

    Hopefully this phenomenon will end when the unconscious paymasters – the support, who should be the owners, waken up and realise that they are being exploited, not by the custodians of clubs, but by their fellow workers the players. When this realisation finally dawns about who currently owns football a consensual wage ceiling might emerge to allow football to again become the people’s game. There is no natural ceiling to ensure wealth generation is preserved or that the wealth created is more fairly distributed. One must be created.

     

     

    At some point the age old class struggle of exploited worker versus owner will be repeated, except the battle will be between a more aware and responsible support and the new owners of soccer, the players.

     

     

    These are not to be confused with the players of the past, fellow workers of their time exploited by then club owners. Players like Bobby Evans, Willie Fernie, Jimmy Johnstone, Bobby Murdoch etc. These guys and their fellow professionals were working men all their playing lives.

     

     

    Those days, however, have gone.

  2. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    The Negster has been right this week (actually for a wee while).

     

     

    Celtic have failed in their stated policy of improving the team. How much has actually been spent ?

     

     

    So much so the manager has purposefully provided some unguarded comments to the press. Primarily about his “conditions” of working. It’s easy to hear a marker being laid.

     

     

    Pedro & co. do the donkey work, i.e. the football side of things has to be paid for. Something most fans don’t even consider.

     

     

    You”ll see proof of that last point every day on here when the calculations of income are totted up.

  4. embramike on

    Europa League Group B (live)

     

     

    Pot 1: Salsburg

     

    Pot 2: Celtic

     

    Pot 3: …..

     

    Pot 4: …..

  8. embramike on

    Europa League Group B (live)

     

     

    Pot 1: Salsburg

     

    Pot 2: Celtic

     

    Pot 3: Leipzig

     

    Pot 4: …..

  11. embramike on

    Europa League Group B (live)

     

     

    Pot 1: Salsburg

     

    Pot 2: Celtic

     

    Pot 3: Leipzig

     

    Pot 4: Rosenborg

  14. Bateen Bhoy on

    Red Bull anyone ?

     

    How does that work ? Two teams in the same group with the same owners ?

  16. Gary67 on

    Will be a very difficult group to get out of. Salzburg got to semis last season and Leipzig finished 6th in Bundesliga.

  18. Bhoy From The Boyne on

    Whoever Moussa pays to run his twitter account needs a kick in the baws. All these cringe likes about club disengaging on promises and mouthing off to French Football News account. Somebody is really pi**ed to be missing out on their % cut today!

  19. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Hope the naps compy is on this page-missed last week as my phone died. To be fair,so did the horse I was gonna pick.

     

     

    Going for

     

     

    Veracious 300 Sandown

  21. Rockon on

    Chester 205 Lake Volta

     

    Happy punting everyone, hope you all have a great weekend, including defeat of Scotland’s shame.

     

    Good should always overcome evil.

  22. fleagle1888 on

    Lads,

     

     

    Week 2 Naps on here please…

     

     

    Off to scour today’s racecards for an appropriate selection:

     

     

    Petethefud or Moneygrabbinbassa?

     

     

    fleagle1888

  27. leftclicktic on

    Just noticed naps has started again,hope i’m not to late to join in.

     

     

    Vision Clear 17:10 Wolverhampton

     

     

    Good luck all and a big thank you to fleagle for your efforts.

  37. fleagle1888 on

    Lads, today’s nap:

     

     

    if describing our board it should be an easy win for – Band of Outlaws – but I fancy:

     

     

    Terzetto (Curragh 4:00)

     

     

    Good Luck to all, fleagle1888

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