Celtic’s difficulty retaining possession


Celtic played well to a point yesterday. We dominated the opening period but Hearts steadied and worked their way into the game. The old adage proved true; when you’re on top, you need to score. Unfortunately we couldn’t make the early pressure count.

I think it was coincidental that our period of domination ended around the time Stuart Armstrong was taken off injured. Stuart was not having such an overarching impact on the game, and James Forrest was an able replacement.

The goals eventually came from midfield, leaving us to defend a lead for the last 20 minutes. There’s not much you can do about Hearts added-time equaliser, which soared into the top corner, but our play in the final 10 minutes of the game was inviting the sucker punch. We couldn’t retain possession, often clearing the ball long, which allowed Hearts to launch forward again.

I wasn’t too concerned about the equaliser but we we’re going to lose late goals if we cannot retain possession.

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    SAINT STIVS on 28TH DECEMBER 2015 11:58 PM



    setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox on 28th December 2015 11:25 pm –



    seriously bud,



    you want to use the recorded attendance as the real attendance ?



    midweek replay with aberdeen 1979 ish . official attendance 37,000.



    ground was packed out.




    37,000 was such a widely-used figure for packed games-except for ticketed ones-that we genuinely thought that was all the abacus could cope with.

  2. Bobby,



    Add to that, the stadium was pretty average, at the back of both ends it was like watching a Subbuteo game and if you ventured into Kev’s Jungle then you had the chance of getting unwanted warm legs.


    Another night I can remember, against Real Madrid in 1980 EC Quarter Final, 67,000 official crowd, I recall at the time never having felt more crushed at Celtic Park, either before or after.

  3. Usual hassle logging in.



    Blog has become awful since the click content and other crap added.



    Only have internet about an hour a night at minute so this hassle is a real pain.

  4. Morning Celts



    Any Transfer rumours?


    Its a bit quiet


    Maybe we can get that Ciftci or Cole :)


    I’m sure they would do well.


    Or how about Gary Caldwell….is he still playing:)


    Oh well never mind, I’m sure we will be stronger after the transfer window shuts.




  5. ....PFayr supports WeeOscar on

    Huns sing Hun songs



    MIB’s favour Huns during match



    Yada yada



    CFC custodians do nothing about it …..EVER



    Hell….they even want the great club “back”



    Scottish football is a busted flush ..labelled as European also rans ……..ruined by Huns and a complicit CFC board

  6. PF AYR



    From what ive been watching recently.


    Considering we are going backwards, i think the sevconians would give us a game right now, never mind next season.


    So, it is all set up for them to resume their corrupt practices….while the Celtic PLC say nothing.


    Seriously, you would think that this scenario has been manufactured.


    Or am i being too cynical:)




  7. St.Stiv’s @ 1.00 am



    “i think that the celtic board, the families, under reported, year on year on year.”



    I agree





    “many eye witness reports say they were in huge crowds, which were understated in the official attendance,”



    I agree







    “therefore , my conclusion is,


    recorded attendances where pish.”



    I also agree



    But do you believe that there was a drop off in attendance towards the end of 9iar? (which is the only point I am making). The alternative would be to believe that the under-reporting increased then. The late 60s and early 70s was a period when I was able to attend either regularly or semi-regularly before Saturdays became filled up with playing my own sport. I remember being in low crowds of circa 10,000 on occasions then.





    BMCUW and antipodean red



    See above. I am not relying on the veracity of the attendance figures. I was fortunate to be there at many of the matches in that period 66 to 73 anyway. I witnessed low crowds with my own eyes. Do you dispute that there was a drop off in attendance during those latter years, even though the official figures are inaccurate?



    Aff into work now


    PF AYR



    I reckon you can also factor in the national love of football for being a cause of its downfall.



    Scotland has a higher-than-average take-up of Skysports. And we all know where the money spent went.

  9. Big Peat of Islay on

    Our recent domestic form is woeful.


    On the back of our embarrassing European whipping, this is simply not good enough.


    Here’s to a New Year and a change of coach.

  10. Green man. Of course it’s manufactured. DD and PL want the pretend Scottish football return of racism. It’s like wrestling but added racism.



    Celtic are awful. The Huns are much the same but they would certainly give Ronny and his one up tactics a run for their money.



    Delia is a failed experiment but he is cheap and PL cannot afford to admit he has made another mistake.



    It’s actual a scandal what Celtic have done here. But there are still too many cheerleaders it seems to force change.



    I wonder how deep the pit is.





    I was maybe a tad young to know much about the crowds back then.



    But I recall being at the 6-1 Hibs final in 72. Along with c106,000 others in a three-quarters full Hampden.



    Celtic Park held 80,000 then,IIRC. I didn’t feel more crowded than usual.



    Tbh,I think the whole discussion is a waste of time. You’ve based your side on stats which we all know to be


    flawed,as the figures were clearly massaged.



    The opposing argument is based on more accurate figures,as it is very difficult to deny attendances when virtually every seat is occupied.



    That’s NOT a criticism,honest. It’s an observation. The one polite criticism I would offer on this whole topic is that you seem to be falling back on statistics to prove that high attendances are unusual,and that current ones are a return to the norm.



    My point is that the underlying Celtic support was energised more than ever by the matchday experience,and to a habit which is hard to break.



    But a deal-breaker can always be found. Celtic aren’t regressing to the norm. They have driven away the ‘floating’ supporter,the ones who needed a reason to be there.



    They are now in the process of driving away the core. The rot has to stop very very quickly.

  12. NEGANON 2



    With the Celtic PLC increasingly resembling the sevco board….i.e. Lords, Tories, and Masons.


    Id say the infiltration tactics are working well.


    We all know now, that if you are a leading Tory, and your political prospects dont look good in Scotland….Well, you know the solution dont you….you join the Celtic board:).


    Manufactured….might be an understatement.




  13. BMCUW



    “The opposing argument is based on more accurate figures,as it is very difficult to deny attendances when virtually every seat is occupied.”



    What is that “opposing argument”? I have advanced the view that attendances dropped off towards the end of 9iar. The “opposing argument” would be that they increased or remained the same. Do you believe that opposing argument for the 66-75 period specifically?





    “That’s NOT a criticism,honest. It’s an observation. The one polite criticism I would offer on this whole topic is that you seem to be falling back on statistics to prove that high attendances are unusual,and that current ones are a return to the norm.”



    You have mistaken my argument on this occasion. It is that we got sated with success and started picking and choosing which games to attend during that period. I know I certainly did then. Of course there were matches with large attendances- usually the European ones and the rangers fixtures.



    I am leaving the modern attendance issue out of this proposition because other factors are involved. However, I stand by my consistent prediction there that when an Ibrox based club re-appears there will be a surge of “bored by the current Celtic” type supporters who will come back to boost our crowd.



    Work has started- don’t tell anyone?

  14. Neganon 2



    As you know….There are no coincidences.


    Providence, Destiny, Fate…all nonense.


    There are always human hands behind each and every dirty deed.


    Nothing is by accident.




  15. SFTB



    I understand by meeja reports, that there were 50,000 sevconians at ipox v Hibs.


    I wonder if anybody on the Celtic board have noticed?


    Oh what a dilemma eh.


    And Celtic Park is half empty.


    What in your opinion, is the solution to the decline in attendance?




  16. Gooooood Morning Celtic fans :-)



    SFTB, do you Not think, a significant number of current season ticket holders will give up their season books when re-incarnated team from Govan ever returns :-)


    Fed up with the proven cheating, and as of yet no action on such and blatantly ignored bigotry ?





    As I said,you have based your argument on figures which are known to be flawed.



    There is no way on this earth to prove that attendance figures during that period were massaged. Bar anecdotal eye-witness accounts.



    But that certainly-anecdotally!-worsened when Desmond White took over.



    Towards the end of our 9iar,btw…

  18. Good morning , before the blog falls into a pit of despair , for those wishing to slag off the manager please at least spell his name correctly .

  19. There was a few times I wasnt included in the official attendance figures . All-ticket games that had sold-out were got round by giving the turnstyle attendant a £5er ?and jumping over the barrier.

  20. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Morning Bhoys .To fill Parkhead on a regular basis you need Celtic to be winning playing swash buckling football with at least one STAR player . According to the MSM we wont pay 4 million for a striker maybe thats why we keep landing duds. H.H.

  21. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    We have all seen the SMSM ramp up the protectionism not towards Scottish football as a sport and our national past time but towards the unqualified parasites that live off it. Whether that be; the SFA (Rangers ex employee pension scheme), The SPFL, The SPFA (another pension scheme for huns), Police Scotland …how much they embezzle out of our national past time is a national scandal. BBC Scotland, STV etc.



    Scottish football has been dying for some time now.



    That the politicians, the judicial system and Celtic plc think that more of the same is what is needed is IMHO it´s death rattle.



    An ever decreasing spiral.




  22. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    I find it amazing I watched the Rangers yesterday against Hibernian and if I am being truthful I think they would give us a tough game.Now consider the problems they have had over the past few years and folks telling us constantly they are going to go bust I think it shows to me anyway how poorly Celtic are run.We should be miles ahead of them and we are not we have paid a lot of money for our team the magic hat signed a lot of youngsters for free and on loan and yet there isnt such a great difference between the teams.Now in my opinion Bhoys you cant blame Ronny for that. H.H.

  23. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

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    It will be all over their heads mind you




  24. SFTB



    I enjoyed your factually-based post on Paradise attendance figures and their their trajectory, and enjoyed your subsequent patient explanatory efforts – I’d agree with the point you make on trends.



    The awful and horrible truth of the huns emergence into Scotland’s topflight will soon be apparent to all, sadly.








    You forgot…



    One in Kate Bush is worth two in the hand.

  26. Marrakesh Express on

    Parkhead official attendances during the period 65 to 85 were a standing joke. The crowd was usually given to the nearest thousand, very seldom we got the five figures unless it was a Scottish cup tie where gate money was halved, and then, even the gate receipts were sometimes posted. As someone rightly said earlier, the usual figures given were 28000, 37000 and 49000. I lost count of the times me and my mates roughly calculated a 40k crowd,but it would be given as 28k.The huns in desperation have dredged this up as tax evasion of a sort, maybe so, but they were at it too anyway.


    I was the Morton game in 74 when 8k turned up to watch the Champions in March. I was also at Hampden exactly 4 years earlier to witness the European Cup’s record attendance of 136,505, a figure which doesn’t include 15-20k who didn’t register.


    Celtic are in a peculiar situation and dare I say the Hun too. We have a huge ‘dormant’ support of anywhere between 20 and 80k. If this sounds like fantasy, check out the Guinness book. We’re in it three times, going back to the 1937 cup final and lately Seville, claimed by one London newspaper to be the biggest one day airlift in Europe since WW2.


    The facts are there, Celtic have nothing to prove when it comes to fanbase, which I’d say is definitely top 15 in the world.

  27. Topkat



    Yeah, free tickets were available for the Dundee and Hamilton home games this season.



    R*ngers put £4 onto their usual ticket price yesterday (£22 for an adult). So, no reduced tickets just a will to be fleeced and go to the game.



    Setting Free The Bears



    I’m too young for the 9IAW era but I’m sure those attendances would have been higher for big games, which was my point. Our average *cough* attendance now outstrips that but our average attendance never gets hit in reality.



    Also, the ones that will comeback once the league is deemed by sponsors and tv as more competitive might not be as big we think. The game is still over priced.



    Jobo Baldie



    Yeah, that is true and i get the seville blip in attendances. But would we get over 50,000 for a game against Aberdeen with ticket prices starting at £29 for walk up’s?



    Saint Sivs



    Yeah, Dundee in the Centenary Season. There was 60,080 locked out……lol.



    Bobby Murdochs Curled Up Winkle Pickers



    I agree. We have driven away the ‘floaters’ and not asked the question why.






    I buy my season ticket to see Celtic and support Celtic. Not the opposition, so whoever we play doesn’t effect my decision.



    But you are correct, Celtic haven’t listened to their core support for years and continue to ignore.

  28. JFH



    Any advantage we had, has been thrown away by the PLC.


    If that 50,000 Sevco crowd isnt a wake-up call to DD and PL, nothing will be.


    There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth next season when the penny drops, that the new club intends to start where the last mob left off….i.e. Cheating.


    The old firm devotees cant say they havent been warned.


    There is a storm of bigotry and cheating coming our way, and the certainty of violent attacks on Celtic supporters.




  29. Some/lots of the posts on here sum up why this blog is going down the pan, there are of course honourable exceptions, all very sad really. H H Hebcelt