We are looking for a manager, so you know the rules. Some ex-players will try to scare you with Roy Keane, various agents will push their uninspiring clients into the spotlight in the hope a media association with Celtic will enhance their chances of getting fixed up at Swindon. And, the occasional manager who wants more pay, will start talking about the honour of being linked with Celtic, while linking himself with Celtic.
Managers who are talking to Celtic right now are not talking to anyone in the media, you can bet Newco’s delayed vat payment on it. I have no doubt RB Salzburg coach Jesse Marsch has been sounded out, but his “interesting” and “an honour” comments about Celtic tell you all you need to know.
Although he was speaking to BBC Sport, he was talking to his employer. Chances of him pitching up at Celtic Park next season depend overwhelmingly on Salzburg’s Champions/Europa League draw. Learn ‘manager speak’; silence is what to listen for. Today’s story does not fit the profile, there will be another one along soon.
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SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 17TH MARCH 2021 3:54 PM
That’s an interesting list detailing the provenance of the various Celtic Managers. I felt at the time that Celtic missed a trick with both Billy McNeill and David Hay.
Billy had an excellent record in his first spell as Manager. Then, when pitched against a financially stronger Rangers in the Centenary Season his response was outstanding.
David Hay was an excellent coach. But he was starved of the funding necessary to translate his ability into titles. Both Billy and David were dealing with men who just couldn’t see that it was they – not the managers – who were responsible for the club’s failures.
SPIDEY101 on 17TH MARCH 2021 7:42 PM
Agreed and the situation with Ronny will always be a concern when bringing in someone with little big club experience. However, it’s also about personality and some people struggle to command respect regardless.
Maresca has worked with better players than Ronny would have throughout his playing and coaching career including a stint as Pelligrini’s assistant and the Manchester City factor alone should suggest to players that this is a man who means business and knows professionalism.
But ultimately, I guess it’s about results. Start getting the wins under your belt and people will buy into it.
https://twitter.com/desondy/status/1372132612983160836?s=09
gettin in St Pats way
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SPIDEY
‘Twas everthus.
Always disproportionate since the days of Jimmy McGrory (of the Celtic) the never shrinking shirt, gets cheaper by the minute.
Some realignment, an astute appointment, the B team on the ST and bingo, full house.
Oh daddy, take me to Paradise CSC
Marsch was already in the Red Bull system before he came to Salzburg – he’d managed New York Red Bull’s and been assistant at Leipzig
Red Bull are able to mine a rich seam of German coaches and managers, their Scottish counterparts are keech.
Austria have named 19 Germany-based players in the national squad to play Scotland, it tells you everything about where good footballing talent in Austria finds its home
We’d be foolish to try and copy their model, or try to get in early with their coaches.
https://twitter.com/aboutceltic/status/1372146888925925380?s=24
Jesse Marsch half time team talk, was 0-3 v Liverpool, finished 3-3
Scullybhoy
Celtic the early years on twitter posted all lyrics from away back
https://twitter.com/EarlyCeltic/status/1372216997874925576?s=19
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Measured post
Atletico denied two penalties within minutes. Hopeless referee.
GeeBee 1978
It’s obviously not going to be Howe. We’ve never asked him. Paul told us already that he can be discounted.
A good barometer for selecting a coach would be one were they had good options for employment, surely ?
Not many will be bursting down the door for Neil, Clarke or Ross. There are those who just look for reasons not to try, and that came undone this year and we’re still witnessing with Kennedy (so far)
Depends on your level of ambition
GOTEllSsART
Watching the Chelsea game,and I just know,if that had been us,we would have had 2 penalties awarded against us.Also,the Chelsea goal,our fans would be calling Barkas everything under the Sun.
Maybe Klopp to German job,Nagelsmann to Liverpool,March to take his place,is the plan.
TURKEYBHOY on 17TH MARCH 2021 8:44 PM
“Also,the Chelsea goal,our fans would be calling Barkas everything under the Sun.”
To be fair, I think that Jan Oblak has built a bit of credit in the bank with the Atleti support :)
39th goal of the season for Lewandowski.Unbelievable striker.
TURKEYBHOY on 17TH MARCH 2021 8:46 PM
I certainly think there’ll be a bit of a managerial merry-go-round in Germany.
Stefan Kuntz (real name!) is the favorite for the German job although there’s a lot of noise for Hansi Flick.
GOTELLSPARTIM
Your last sentence says It all?
Geebee,
Yes he has.One of the top keepers in the world,but he has had the time.
Still a Foxes paw of an attempt to save a trundle.
He has to get the Hun job at some time.A shower of Kuntz,managed by Kuntz.Its in the stars.
TURKEB
TURkEYBOY
This I pad is going nuts.
Marsch underlined his desire to one day work in the German Bundesliga. “It would be a logical next step,” Marsch said.
TOSB
“Willie Maley, Jimmy McGrory? In relation to the quest to appoint a manager in 2021? It’s never been done before so let’s not do it now. Really?”
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“He certainly did but Willie Maley and Jimmy McGrory in relation to appointing a new Celtic manager in 2021. Were they thrown in just to ensure the post was a long one?”
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You know, if you are puzzled or upset by my inclusion of them or wondering as to their relevance, you could have just asked the question.
They were included so that I had a comprehensive list of all permanent managers ( I only excluded caretakers) so that I would not be acccused of cherry picking.
If the first two have less relevance to today, it does not weaken the point that many of the rest, including the most recent ARE heavily relevant. They show where we actually do recruit from not where we might wish we were capable of recruiting from. They show exactly the types we get, inexperienced but promising, or experienced but largely unwanted by our bigger rivals.
I look at our financial realities with a steely unsentimental outlook. It does not make me less ambitious than you just less unrealistic.
I want the best manager we can get. I recognise that, as with the players, if he proves to be any good, he will move on. But an established manager with bigger suitors is not coming here. We are not the competitive prospect that we were at the turn of the millenium.
Porto, who beat us in Seville and won a CL and are having a great run in this year’s CL, are not a pull that they once were either. Since Mourinho left in 2004, they have had 15 managers (3 temporary caretakers), 11 of them recruited from within Portugal. They recruited their current manager from Nantes, having previously been with mid table Portuguese clubs. His “achievement” in France was getting Nantes out of the relegatio zone and into 12th place in the table in the 6 months he was there. They sacked Nuno Espirito Santo after a trophyless 11 months and he has gone on to be revered by Wolves fans. The only recognisable names they had after Mourinho were Co Adrianse, who resigned, after 11 months, to go to the Ukraine after winning the Cup and League and Andre Villas Boas who lasted one season also before resigning to go to Chelsea. In recent seasons AVB has been mutualled by a Chinese Club and suspended by Marseilles where he is awaiting disciplinary procedings.
So a bigger club than us, took a chance on someone with no stellar record. How would Sergio Concecao have been accepted here with that record? Yet he has taken Porto into the CL quarter finals this year but is 10 points behind Sporting in the league. Since Mourinho left , Porto have won their league in 2004, they have won their League 9 times, Benfica have won 7 and Sporting have won none.
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Just because we have always gone to the same or similar source to recruit managers doesn’t mean that we can’t apply a different strategy. I’m not really interested in Porto. They have a history of a high managerial turnover.
We successfully recruited Stein, O’Neill, Strachan and Rodgers because we paid them an enticing wage to come. All 4 led us to great success. Our trouble is that we have been run by Arfur Daley wannabes who try to do things on the cheap. Pay the money and ask the question and then we’ll see who is interested. It’s nonsense to rule people out without first of all asking the question. That approach by Paul and posters like yourself is what makes it easy for the Lawell’s of this world to gob us off with the Lennon’s of this world.
night night y’all on Paddy’s night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoqW6SSp3o
the monkey joke
Chelsea score in 94th minute, done a guy out of 250k for Super 6..😮
SFTB –
I look at our financial realities with a steely unsentimental outlook. It does not make me less ambitious than you just less unrealistic.
I get where you are coming from. The financial reality is that we could afford the salary of a Tier 2 manager though – not a PEP or Jose on £10m + per year, but certainly a Ragnick on £5m per year (what Milan were said to be paying him) would be affordable. If we appointed someone like that in 2019, and assume Lennon was on around £1.5m pa, we’d have had to make up £7m difference which we could have done by doing without Bolingoli or Klimala in 2019 and Ajeti or Barkas in 2020. I know which I’d rather have had…
TOSB
“We successfully recruited Stein, O’Neill, Strachan and Rodgers because we paid them an enticing wage to come.”
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We paid very similar levels of wage to everybody who came. Rodgers may have got a bit more because he was already used to EPL wages but his choice was come to Celtic or wait a few months till Swansea ask you back..
Jock Stein wasn’t being headhunted by anyone more attractive than Celtic. Hibs had already enticed him from Dunfermline. Stein knew that all these clubs had players with potential but he knew that Celtic had the most potential and history.
O’Neill left before the EPL became the huge money machine it is now. We were able to steal players from Leicester at that time too. MON went back and stayed with a mid table EPL team and never showed any interest in coming back up the road. Similarly WGS was out of the game for 16 months and we did not face any major competition for him.
The idea that they came for money, does not bear much scrutiny.
Interestingly, you do not cite the one appointment where there was a financial price to pay- Tony Mowbray where WBA demanded and got compensation. There, we did pay the price, and look how that turned out.
See with this just ask the best and see if they will come stratefy- how will it work? Do you go to Mourinho or Pep first? How much time do you give each man before you move on down the list? How many No’s and how much time do you think you would waste until realism kicks in and you get to the plausible candidates?
Spidey
I am sure that we could come close to the salary demands of some interesting characters but what we have learned is that there is a “Scottish Tax” to be paid in order to attract some players to a peripheral league.
Hell, Ajeti dithered over coming here. So did Viduka and some goalie whose name I forget.
What Brendan Rodgers found is that he ws happy with his own salary but not so happy with the empty purse it left for him to attract better players.
We can hope for better but we cannot escape financial realities.
Say we say we’ll pay a manager £3m per annum. That’s “pushing the boat out” for us – probably double what we paid Lennon (at a guess). So we could afford to pay more than the current salaries of:
19 out of 20 Serie A managers;
11 out of 18 Bundesliga managers;
16 out of 20 Ligue 1 managers; and
8 out of 20 EPL managers.
Obviously it’s not just about pay, but we’ve a wider market than we think if we choose to put more funds there
SFTB – that’s true, there’s a trade off and Rodgers got fed up of it. So the right man is important- I use Ragnick as an example as he’s not a chequebook manager – so we’d need someone who is comfortable with a small transfer budget and focusses on developing players. No-one in the narrow pool we’ve previously shopped in ticks those boxes so we probably need to push the boat out on the coach.
As we’ve seen with Cluj, Ferencvaris eg al a well coached budget team is better than an expensive poorly coached team.
Worth noting that there are many managers at the top of their game who simply won’t come to Scotland unless they were paid Chinese Super League-type money.
Rory Smith said on BT Sport recently that if Ragnick was asked to come up to beat Rangers (sic) and get European football after Christmas, it still wouldn’t be enough to entice him – what he was paid in his last job is irrelevant.
SPIDEY101 on 17TH MARCH 2021 10:14 PM
“19 out of 20 Serie A managers”
Are you sure? Pirlo and Conte both get paid more than that.
Stefano Pioli gets less but we have to get real and accept that most managers would take less money to manage Milan than slightly more to manage in the SPFL.
Only one Bundesliga manager outwith our price range. If we stopped buying duds and spending around £5m on loan players who are bang average.
Set the bar high, do not accept mediocrity and refuse to sit at the back of the bus. Accepting so called reality is really code for lack of ambition.
https://www.sportekz.com/football/bundesliga-managers-salaries/