We are looking for a manager, so you know the rules. Some ex-players will try to scare you with Roy Keane, various agents will push their uninspiring clients into the spotlight in the hope a media association with Celtic will enhance their chances of getting fixed up at Swindon. And, the occasional manager who wants more pay, will start talking about the honour of being linked with Celtic, while linking himself with Celtic.
Managers who are talking to Celtic right now are not talking to anyone in the media, you can bet Newco’s delayed vat payment on it. I have no doubt RB Salzburg coach Jesse Marsch has been sounded out, but his “interesting” and “an honour” comments about Celtic tell you all you need to know.
Although he was speaking to BBC Sport, he was talking to his employer. Chances of him pitching up at Celtic Park next season depend overwhelmingly on Salzburg’s Champions/Europa League draw. Learn ‘manager speak’; silence is what to listen for. Today’s story does not fit the profile, there will be another one along soon.
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Baca Bing 8.19
It didn’t.
Liverpool beat them 4-3
TT
Hot Smoked, from earlier on – decision regarding the Derby delayed until Friday!
I agree with your thought – if thems qualify on Thursday, game cancelled, blame the fans (preferably Celtic fans)
Watch this space
They’ll turn up at the stadium tomorrow.
What’s to stop them?
GeeBee – obviously it may not be reliable, and won’t include bonuses etc, but while Conte is on a stonking £12m a year, the rest seem to be on much less: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/financefootball.com/2020/10/18/top-20-best-paid-managers-serie-a-2020-2021/amp/
And
https://www.football-italia.net/160427/serie-coaches-wages
GeeBee – I expect as it’s Pirlo’s first gig he’s on a low basic and whopping bonuses. Probably just a small uplift from his u-23 manager salary, with the promise of a pay rise if it goes well.
Greenpinata
“Accepting so called reality is really code for lack of ambition.”
It used to be seen as a code for sanity.
But these are times when people feel entitled to define their own truth.
In any sport, if you do not understand your own capabilities and weaknesses, you are beat before you start.
SPIDEY101 on 17TH MARCH 2021 10:48 PM
Yes, you’re right. The search I brought up for Pirlo was his wage as a player :)
But as I’ve said before, and this might be relevant to Greenpinata’s post about Bundesliga managers, how many of those would want to manage in the SPFL?
Would Fonseca leave Roma for Scotland? Inzaghi?
Get lower down the table, then the question is reversed, and would we want a manager from the lower end of the table?
I spent most of my adult years abroad spanning four countries and it might shock some people on these pages but nobody holds Celtic or more importantly, Scottish football in as high regard as we do.
Yes, we could afford someone like Ragnick. The chances of him coming to spend his peak years plotting the downfall of Motherwell and Ross County? Different conversation altogether.
sftb
“Jock Stein wasn’t being headhunted by anyone more attractive than Celtic”
What in St Patrick’s name is that supposed to mean?
SPIDEY101 on 17TH MARCH 2021 10:50 PM
GeeBee – I expect as it’s Pirlo’s first gig he’s on a low basic and whopping bonuses. Probably just a small uplift from his u-23 manager salary, with the promise of a pay rise if it goes well
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True. Looks like he’ll be saving them a fortune on bonuses too at this rate :)
Celtic Mac
It means that when he came to Celtic , he did not have offers from clubs that he thought were better prospects than us
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 17TH MARCH 2021 10:06 PM
See with this just ask the best and see if they will come stratefy- how will it work? Do you go to Mourinho or Pep first? How much time do you give each man before you move on down the list? How many No’s and how much time do you think you would waste until realism kicks in and you get to the plausible candidates?
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Ah do I detect the approach of the cheese eating surrender monkey?
Let’s make excuses instead of making an effort.
The managers I cited certainly didn’t work for charity. I imagine that they would be on more than their predecessors with perhaps the exception being Strachan and even then it’s not certain that he worked for less than O’Neill.
I would also like to make it clear that I think Maresca would be a step in the right direction and I’m sure their are a number of others who are not st the very top of their profession at the moment who would be a vast improvement on what we’ve had to endure for the last two seasons.
GeeBee – yeah I hope Pirlo didn’t spend it before he had it!
I get there are other factors at play other than just pay, and the Scotland isn’t as attractive a proposition as Rome, Paris, etc. The overall package is important- I said earlier that though we could compete with EPL on pay (for some) we can’t on the transfer/player budget.
But I refuse to believe there isn’t a high quality coach out there who wouldn’t be motivated by an attractive salary and the opportunity to spend 3 years or so becoming the next Ragnick-type figure (talked about for transforming us in the way Ragnick transformed the Red Bull teams) before moving on to the EPL or somewhere else. Or even just an up and comer who sees Celtic as a good stepping stone to England in the way Rose/Marsch saw Salzburg as a stepping stone to Germany.
Spidey.
i am bit worried by covid and its impact on Celtic.financea
we have a lot of tectonic plates changin during a time of uncertainty
-Peter Lawell is gone new guy Dominic in,
-Neil Lennon gone new guy x comea in ,
-what is our 9iar captain doing? what are we doing/not doing to support him.
staff oot- keep the laundry woman! seems to be shout
staff in,-matching what we want as fans contra’d with how we as a club look to the modern day young footballer in covid times
lot of variables to look at
oh…and we must win aw the time.
changes coming.it must.its just covid adds to it
hh
financially!
SPIDEY101 on 17TH MARCH 2021 11:08 PM
You’re spot-on and I think we agree on that. We need to be getting the next Ragnick, Pochettino, Rose etc before they become stars.
I think my comments are more aimed at those who think we should show “ambition” by throwing money at a “name” and assuming they’d jump at the chance to leave the Bundesliga or the Premier League to come to Scotland.
As I said before, Marseca seems to fit this profile but I’m sure there are others.
Certainly not putting his name forward but by all accounts, Crespo is showing promise as a young coach. I’m just hoping we’ve got our feelers out far and wide.
Does JM daughter not stay in Glasgow? Saw it elsewhere in a link about Domenec Torrent
As I’ve said too many come up with reasons for not even trying. Why can’t we just once be the best we can be, we’re not gonna win the Champions league (it wouldn’t be encouraged if it’s not from the big 5 leagues) doubtful we’d win the Europa too but can we not come up with something that will at least give us a chance of European progress.
sftb
And you know this how?
He had been forced out of Celtic, worked wonders at Dunfermline, and was beginning to make an impact at Hibernian, a bigger club than the Pars. He achieved a league double over Rangers with the Hibees, the benchmark in those days, defeated Real Madrid, and could even have taken the title to Easter Road in season 1964-65 had Celtic not came calling in March of 1965. He was embarrassed to leave at the time and in the manner he did and he would probably not have done so for any other club than Celtic, but do not kid yourself that he would have been given the opportunity to do so then or later.
GO TELL THE SPARTIM on 17TH MARCH 2021 11:20 PM
I get your sentiment but where do we draw the line? Do we ask Klopp if he’d be tempted to leave Liverpool? Do we approach Allegri?
There are many factors involved and we need to find that sweet spot between attainable and ambitious – but at the same time, it has to be a good fit. Throwing money at a big name isn’t necessarily the way I’d want us to go. As mentioned earlier, one of our most expensive appointments including compensation, etc was Mowbray. We need to be smart too.
TOSB
“Ah do I detect the approach of the cheese eating surrender monkey?”
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Don’t think so. What you should have detected were a couple of questions, simply expressed, asking you how long you would persevere with your “Best Manager Gets Asked First” approach before you arrive at the Tranche of managers likely to say yes.
It’s easy to present yourself as more ambitious because you are willing to headhunt the best managers first. But it’s much truer for me to represent that as a complete waste of time and energy. It’s like asking Claudia Schiffer out for a date when you’re old, bald, toothless and skint. Would that be ambition or delusion?
I am fed up with this misunderstanding of ambition. There are good coaches out there. There are even guys we do not rate who could still be good for Celtic but if all we want is someone who costs a lot, we are pursuing a Fur Coats & No Knickers strategy.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 17TH MARCH 2021 11:30 PM
The Claudia Schiffer analogy is a good one. Maybe Desmond should take the approach of getting steaming on a load of Stellas and start slobbering in Julien Nagelsmann’s ear :)
GeeBee – agreed – we aren’t going to entice a Milan or Dortmund manager to jump ship – not even a Lazio or Ajax manager. But it’s a big world and I can’t help feeling some folk take the opposite view – we’re shopping in a local parochial market with the occasional foray into England (which offers poor value for money).
A big appointment for sure!
AT – I get what you mean about the COVID impact. Hopefully the vaccine means we’re likely to be back to “normal” come the new season which will help the finances – assuming there isn’t a drop off in season tickets (which is a big assumption). Luckily we had the support buying virtual season tickets and £30m banked (though the hotels probably been pushed back a fair bit) so we should be ok.
The transfer market will be depressed though, which means sales will rake in less. Smart recruit would see us benefit from that too – there’s a big rebuild (I see Julien is also now talking about potentially leaving) to be done and we need to ensure we get value AND have a quality coach to maximise the player’s performances.
As an example, in Rodgers first season the team (by number of appearances) looked like:
Gordon
Lustig
Sviatchenko
Simunovic
Tierney
Forest/Roberts
Brown
Armstrong
CalMac
Sinclair
Dembele
Only Sinclair and Dembele were new players – the main difference was in coaching, attitude, tactics, confidence. It’s so important we get the right management team in place – there’s automatic CL qualification (and £30m) riding on it…
Celtic Mac
“And you know this how?
He had been forced out of Celtic, worked wonders at Dunfermline, and was beginning to make an impact at Hibernian, a bigger club than the Pars. He achieved a league double over Rangers with the Hibees, the benchmark in those days, defeated Real Madrid, and could even have taken the title to Easter Road in season 1964-65 had Celtic not came calling in March of 1965. He was embarrassed to leave at the time and in the manner he did and he would probably not have done so for any other club than Celtic, but do not kid yourself that he would have been given the opportunity to do so then or later.”
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I don’t see where you have stated anything different to my portrayal. Nobody was headhunting Scottish managers but other Scottish clubs. Busby and Shankly etc; made their reps as players down South not as managers in Scotland. That all changed when Jock won the Big Cup. The we did see a rise in interest.
How do I know? Because Jock has told his story many times. Jock negotiated a transfer back to Celtic that suited him (he was being offered some kind of co-manager position with Sean Fallon but refused and forced him to offer Celtic management in his own right). He used the leverage of one reported job offer to replace Stan Cullis at struggling fallen giants Wolves but Jock was always set on getting back to unfinished business with Celtic. Jock’s rep in 1965 was not as widespread as it was post-1967.
That view does not diminish Jock in the slightest. It just attests to the parochial world of football before European competition opened it up and we moved beyond local jobs for local people. Thankfully, we ahd a high calibre of locals in those days.
I think the depressed Covid market could help us. It’s almost certain Eddie and Ajer will be off and to a lot of markets, we’ll be quite flush. Ignore the wealthier leagues but I think there could be some gems in Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.
spidey 101
Jock Stein, Martin O’Neill and Brendan Rodgers all inherited good groups of players, and got the best out of them. Each of those managers also brought in key players at key times, something we failed to do this season of all seasons.
Scary use of tech and maybe a portent of things to come
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/14/us/raffaela-spone-victory-vipers-deepfake.html
hh
sftb
No, Celtic approached Jock Stein in 1965 and not the other way round. Stan Cullis was sacked by Wolves in September 1964, so that would not have been a great bargaining chip for Jock in March 1965. I was only a youngster when the Big Man came back to Celtic, but I knew enough about football then to know that the Times they Are a Changing. And that’s before Bob Dylan had a hit single with that song over here!
Nothing like lowering expectations is there…
Whoever we get in will or should be determined by whether we get a director of football or not. And on their remit.
We need someone to build an ethos and system throughout the club. Managing the systems in place and recruitment from the grass roots up. Someone with a knowledge of football, business, performance and psychology. We need a plan and a pipeline. A 10 year strategy to get us competing in Europe every year.
If we get that then the manager that we should be looking for would be very different to the manager we’d need if we don’t.
We can’t have it so when manager comes in or leaves the club loses its way. It leaves far too much up to chance.
Celtic Mac
“No, Celtic approached Jock Stein in 1965 and not the other way round. Stan Cullis was sacked by Wolves in September 1964, so that would not have been a great bargaining chip for Jock in March 1965.”
The events re Wolves and Cullis, happened in the previous year-1964. Jock knew there was interest in him from Bob Kelly at Celtic but Bob feared Jock and wanted a structure that would restrict him, hence the offer to give Sean either the prime position or a co-manager position. It is all outlined in Archie McPherson’s excellent biography of Stein. Whether the Wolves offer was genuine or invented by Jock, he does not say.
But it was unusual for Scottish managers to be highly sought after then. Scott Symon did not get an offer from down South when the Huns made the EC semi final and neither did Bob Shankly when he took Dundee there in 63.
Jock changed the landscape but his humble achievments prior to coming to Celtic were in keeping with our humble recruitment throughout our history.
Goodnight all!
sftb
“humble achievements” ??
Winning the Scottish Cup in 1961, defeating us, within a year of arriving at Dunfermline, their first ever, and later qualifying for Europe before either Celtic and Liverpool…..
I wish I could be so humble…
Celtic is seriously under achieving in Europe.
Europe has always been more important to me than the SPFL.
The games you Always look forward to are the European games under the lights.
When Brendan was here it was unbelievable the atmosphere outside (never M’ond inside) the ground on Euro nights. Genuinely we had hopes and dreams.
Shocking downsizing.
All the while raising prices, whilst profits went seriously North under Brendan.
Anger is indeed an energy.
Cowardice is the current Celtic hierarchy IMO.
Not fit for purpose.
Calling Brendan a mercenary is the most callous of Calls. The Celtic Board used Brendan like an olde scud magazine.
We were going places then the brakes were applied.
Hopes and Dreams – Denied…. for the Hun to catch up.
Sickened disnae even come close to describing it.
Good morning cqn from another dry day in the Garngad wow 3 on the trot.
Still no manager absolutely amazing.
Still asleep at the wheel.
Still no plan for the future.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that.
Someone mentioned earlier about Zombie fans turning up tonight at ipox, I think their is a good possibility that a small number will turn up but will the SMSM report on it?? Me dont think so.
D :)
Obviously the Celtic Board have not called Brendan a mercenary, I’d be more inclined to say that Brendan has the right to Call out why he wisnae Supported properly by the Directors of Celtic.
£9Million payoff for Celtic. Aye thats Good.
You are not appreciated in work by one above you………
>>>>>>>>>
Thank You MWD and LennyBhoy for facilitating me and Aidan and Arthur watching the Celts Together.
Thank You Awesome Celts.
CHELTENHAM CHATTER…
I posted that I had TWO Winners on Tuesday…I didnt…. as I also had the winner in the last race that Day ” Ante Post” at 5/1 ( CALVIN)…it won at 7/2. I had forgotten about that horse when I backed “Remastered” in the same bloody Race on the day…DOH !
So that 3 winners on Tuesday at bigger Prices than the SP.
Yesterday ( Wednesday), I also had 3 Winners including the 10/1 shot ” PUT THE KETTLE ON”, and again a couple of other horses finishing a close second, which would have made a very big difference to my winnings.
I Posted yesterday it could be a great day for the Irish Horses…I was right as 6 out 7 Winners were irish Horses. the “Other” was Trained by the Famous Ex jocky and now Trainer, JonJo O’Neill.
I also suggested that the Beautiful Irish Girl jockey ( Rachel Blackmore), could have at least Two Winners…She DID have Two winners…” Bob Olinger” and…” Sir Gerhard”…but in between those Two winners…she ended up on the floor in 3 other Races…LOL !
I had a “4th” Winner in ” Monkfish”….and it won at 1/4 On…and I had it in my ” Placepot”…..but I also had it Ante Post at better Odds of 10/11…and 2/1 some weeks ago, on two separate bets.
I was kicking myself for NOT backing ” Tiger Roll” yesterday , as I had backed it for this years Grand National ( Ante Post), before it was taken out of the National…and I deserted it yesterday ( Silly Bhoy), in favour of the Horse that finished 3rd.
As for Today, I expect the Irish to dominant once again…and I think Jockey Rachel Blackmore, could again have Two Winners…likewise with another Irish Jockey…” Jack Kennedy” ?
Who knows ?
LOL
HH.
Reading back …….its a bit like reading mintys moonbeams ….all these great coaches coming to SPFL hell …….lol…….Rodgers spoiled us …we got a taste and are desperate for more …….never for a moment thinking how did we manage that…….the stars aligned……..nothing more …..if Rodgers had been with say …..Leeds or villa or even Palace…..he would never have been here…….
Interesting Racing Bet item on BBC News this morning..
Some Punter called Paul has an ” Ante Post ” Bet on starting last summer at Ascot on 6 horses…including Cheltenham.
His first FIVE Selections have now WON….and he stands to win £500,000.
He gambled £5.00 on this Bet.
His Final selection runs Today at Cheltenham and he is on the Hot favourite ” ENVOI ALLEN”, which is now at Odds of 4/9 ON.
Apparently he can ” Cash Out” right now and win £275,000 BEFORE ” Envoi Allen” runs…or just let his Bet carry on ?
He has said that he hasnt slept at all all last night as he doesnt know what to do ?
IF it was ME in that position I WOULD ” Cash Out” and take the £275,000 right now from his Bookie as his last Horse MIGHT be beaten and he will get NOTHING Back. At MY Age the sum of £275,000 would be very nice obviously…but I dont know what age this Punter Paul is…..and IF he is much younger he MAY decide to let his Bet carry on and maybe win HALF a Million…Especially as this horse ” ENVOI ALLEN” is such a Hot Favourite…and its IRISH ?
Good luck to him whatever he decides to do……UNLESS hes a HUN ?
HH.
PAUL67..
Are you that Punter called Paul ?
LOL
HH.
Envoi Allen runs in the 1.20 Race at Cheltenham.
Irish Bred, Irish Jockey ( Jack Kennedy) onboard, and is Trained be the excellent Irish Trainer ” Henry De Bromhead”…who is having a very good Cheltenham so far.