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Channel 4 look into historic abuse

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Alex Thompson of Channel 4 News has been in Scotland working on a piece about historic child abuse this week.  This morning he Tweeted a photo of Celtic Park, adding the words, “Watch this space”.

While these matters happened decades ago, Celtic are still Celtic, and have a corporate responsibility for all that went before.  Fergus McCann first acknowledged what took place.  He setup counselling facilities and instructed an independent investigation into the actions of the club under the old board.  This happened 25 years ago.

There is no statute of limitation on victims coming forward.  Some only want to tell their story, to be heard and be assured that processes are different now.  Others seek financial compensation.  I don’t think there is a lot of money involved, certainly not for Celtic, who have insurance.

What happened was terrible, affected countless boys and went on for perhaps 20 years.  The club must act appropriately and responsibly.  The matter does not lend itself to dialogue on social media, or a running commentary through other media.  There is a process underway, I have no idea how long it will take, or if everyone will be satisfied with the outcome.

Historic child abuse is handled so flippantly by others it has become a football itself.  Much comment is sensationalist, “Watch this space”, is not a promising start.  This subject does not benefit from a drumroll introduction.

The subject is also most commonly reported about one club – Celtic – to the exclusion of all others.  It should be reported and those responsible held to account, but balance your reporting.  There are three Glasgow clubs under review for this matter right now, as well as the SFA.  Coverage mostly concentrates on the one that was first to react and offer help.

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  1. AN TEARMANN on 15TH FEBRUARY 2020 10:23 PM

     

    Chat bout title stripping surfacing in epl

     

     

     

    https://t.co/NSZ0X8TOF0?amp=1

     

     

     

    HH

     

     

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    I don’t understand what UEFA FFP rules has to do with the EPL.

     

     

    My understanding is that UEFA rules apply to UEFA competitions alone.

     

     

    I don’t know what specific English FA rules City allegedly have broken.

     

     

    Some Celtic fans comparing City to Rangers is for the birds imo.

     

     

    Rangers specifically broke player registration requirements, City as far as I’m aware, have broken no domestic rules.

  2. Greenpinata

     

     

    Free press!

     

    No such thing in this country

     

     

     

    The Meejah are privately owned,mostly by people who are wealthy enough NOT to pay any tax in the UK as parent companies based offshore in places like Cayman island.

     

     

    They sit on their Derek mackay stories til it suits

     

    If we had a free press,why no serious investigation into say minty?

     

    They were rent boys for him!Still are

     

    While reporters around the world are brave enough to write and put their own lives on line.

     

    Fear and intimidation takes care of our so called free press .see Scotland

     

    They work on the exact premise you post,bout McKay etc,what if it’s a murder victim with no political weight,a daughter raped and publicised in the most salacious of terms,and it doesn’t stop them publicising,and ignoring cos as a company there is superprofits in ‘sording up a story .

     

    I am bit stunned a good socialist like yirsel would even contemplate putting Murdoch’s used loo roll in the same sentence as free press.

     

    HH

  3. Magnificentseven on

    Philbhoy Very common for the partner to be pressurised into withdrawing charges, the police are not the problem here

  4. If Manchester City are found to have broken EPL FFP rules by over-inflating sponsorship income to meet the maximum permissible losses of £105m over 3 seasons, they will be stripped of any honours won during that period. The English MSM are already all over it like a rash. Watch the difference as this unfolds.

  5. Graham Denton

     

    @gtdenton

     

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    Feb 9

     

    Don Revie must have really hated the Hughes clan, after John’s younger bro, Billy, had such a good game for Sunderland against Leeds in the ’73 #FACup final.

  6. Turkeybhoy on 15th February 2020 8:58 pm

     

    Ernie at 8.13,

     

     

     

    That has to be the most nonsensical post ever on here.”Organizations owe a duty of care to others,with whom they have no official links”Really!!!!!!.

     

     

     

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    What I actually posted was

     

     

    ‘Because organisations can owe a duty of care to others with whom they have no official links.’

     

     

    Spot the difference?

     

     

    My view is that given the de facto if not de jure link between the Boys Club and CFC, CFC knowing of that link, owed a duty of care to the victims. The question of if or when that duty of care was breached would depend on the evidence.

     

     

    To simply assert that Celtic are in the clear and cannot be liable because the abusers weren’t employed by CFC is I would suggest legally wrong (and morally repugnant).

  7. Magnificentseven on

    David66 on 15th February 2020 10:44 pm

     

    Think it was later than 1971 that the Renfrew ferry stopped running.

     

     

     

    D. :)

     

     

    Definitely later, I remember my clutch going on it and struggling to get off, must have been late 70’s early 80’s

  8. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    ” My view is that given the de facto if not de jure link between the Boys Club and CFC, CFC knowing of that link ”

     

     

    Your view. Aye .

     

     

    What proof do you have that ” CFC ” knew that there was a ” de facto ” link between the ” Boys Club and CFC ?

     

    Any evidence to back up your assertion ?

  9. Magnificentseven on

    Saint Stivs on 15th February 2020 11:14 pm

     

    it is the erskine ferry, the clue was “a bridge was built”

     

     

    Aah, didn’t read back, just saw the reference to the Renfrew Ferry and responded

  10. I liked McNut’s posts. I think he brought something different to the blog and I’m not so sure he was an interloper.

     

     

    I hope he was though if he’s been hounded/bullied off here.

  11. An Dun

     

     

    I don’t understand what UEFA FFP rules has to do with the EPL.

     

     

    Look into QPR my friend.

     

    In lay mans terms UEFA as Europe’s senior governing body set out the financial parameters for all the governing bodies in Europe,to follow if they wish their member clubs to aspire to play in any of their competitions.

     

    Uefa is senior in status to the epl.(using a law analogy a higher court) so if a court(uefa) is deeming their law has been broken then it follows that the member fa’s club must have broken the rules.(citeh in this case)

     

    Advantage on the field can be gained by breaking the rules

     

     

    It could be seen as a power play by Uefa over the epl,in political terms the money gravitating towards the epl is having a powerful effect .

     

    Hope yir good

     

    HH

  12. An Tearmann,

     

     

    My friend, I firmly believe in press freedom. State controlled or manipulated press is the ultimate nightmare.

     

     

    I do not agree with the editorials of wings over Scotland, the national, the sun , the daily mail et al but i will fiercely defend their right to chase stories and expose sleeze.

     

     

    On a personal note I relish the election of Lisa Nandy.

     

     

    Anyway onward to Aberdoom and COYBIG.

  13. MAJESTIC HARTSON on 15TH FEBRUARY 2020 11:34 PM

     

    I liked McNut’s posts. I think he brought something different to the blog and I’m not so sure he was an interloper.

     

     

    gave lots of nice references to celtic things but seemed to not know basic celtic things, then started hinting maybe celtic were hoarding money because of maybe the big thing nobodys wants to talk about, then went on about the share price losing vaule because of the thing no one wants to talk about, then declared he owned 3% of celtic shares,

     

     

    aye, straight forward not an interloper .

  14. SFTB @ 5:46 & David17 @ 10:43pm

     

     

    I’m with both of you – I welcome any investigation into child abuse and any link to our club.

     

     

    If it helps the victims and allows them to move on then it should be welcomed.

  15. I forgot about the 3% ownership. However, I got the impression he was taken out of context and then gave up trying to defend himself as he was getting pelters.

     

     

    We may never know.

  16. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    MCNUT didn`t conform to the CQN socialist mantra so the bullies do what bullies do.

     

     

    No Pope here.

     

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    No capitalists here.

     

     

    What`s the difference ?

     

    There is no difference .

     

     

    Hunnish victimisation and exclusion.

  17. Is there going to be a pitch inspection at Aberdeen tomorrow morning, and if so at what time? Has there been one this evening?

  18. Greenpinata,

     

     

    Re the free press. I’m all for a free press but the Scum must have held onto that Derek Mackay story until the day of the SNP’s budget.

     

     

    A big question is whether it was released that day for Murdoch’s own political gain

  19. !!BADA BING!! on 15TH FEBRUARY 2020 5:23 PM

     

    RON67 on 15TH FEBRUARY 2020 4:47 PM

     

    nice to see Glasgow finest giving up their family time to allow a game to go ahead at such short notice.

     

    Do you think we would have been accommodated similarly?

     

     

    bada, apologies for late reply, not long in and just scrolling back,

     

    absolutely no chance our game would have been allowed to go-ahead .

  20. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    And she warned the power of judges has “gone too far” and “beyond interpretation of the law”. She said: “Traditionally, Parliament made the law and judges applied it but now our courts exercise a form of political power.”

     

     

    Separation of the powers ?

     

    Gaun yersel , Suella .

  21. DAVID66 on 15TH FEBRUARY 2020 10:44 PM

     

    “Think it was later than 1971 that the Renfrew ferry stopped running.”

     

     

    Mid or late Nineties David66, I beleive, por cierto.

  22. There will hopefully be another Football Statement before 2PM Today.

     

     

    It will be hard fought for sure.

     

     

    Lennys Lions are irresistible currently.

     

     

    3 points please Celtic.

  23. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    MAJESTIC HARTSON on 16TH FEBRUARY 2020 12:17 AM

     

    I’ve had a couple too many Suella tonight

     

     

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    Lucky Suella .