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Charlatan government opens pubs and shuts stadiums

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I was delighted to read the Scottish Government’s clinical director, Jason Leitch, say there are strong advocates from within the Government that football fans will at one point be encouraged to leave pubs when watching games and instead attend in socially distanced numbers at outdoor stadiums.

It will not apparently happen next month, but there may be a trial when the national flags can fly when Scotland team plays in September.

You and I can only wonder when the Government’s scientists will find evidence that an easily policed outdoor arena will become as safe from Covid-19 as thousands of indoor pubs across Scotland.

Pubs, with their drinking, exchange of money, regular toilet use and the legendary increase in judgement that comes after alcohol is consumed, are clearly the safest places to watch football.  If this was not the case, your government would stop fans gathering in them to cheer on their teams and celebrate goals.

And remember, to make watching football in pubs extra safe, the government decided you do not need to wear masks when inside a pub.  Yes, masks are important, but only in shops, if you go to a pub this weekend to watch football, none of those shouting and celebrating will be wearing a mask.

By contrast, football stadiums, with their designated and easily dispersed seating, blanket CCTV monitored from dedicated police facilities, all that outdoor air and with masks used by everyone in a spectator area, are clearly more dangerous to public health than gatherings in pubs.

They would not be able to sell alcohol at football stadiums, so unlike pubs, would need to rely on the sober judgement of spectators to ensure safety procedures were respected.  And I don’t need to tell you how ineffective sober judgement is compared to how easily drunk people find following rules.

To suggest that it is worse (as I stupidly thought) for public health to gather in pubs to watch games this weekend, instead of socially distances in stadiums, is ridiculous.  If this was not the case, what would it say about your governments regard for you or your health?

This is typical of recent politicians’ involvement in football.  Not content will kettling fans, or trying to make political dissent illegal, they are happy to throw the masses they pretend to care about together in pubs at greater risk to public health, rather than actually listen to reason from outside their logic-defying bubble.  Whenever I see these clowns I think of thought-control charlatans.  This is a a farce, the Government know it, football knows it and we all know it.  Those not prepared to admit it should consider how much thought control they are already under.

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  1. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Hhmm.

     

     

    I read Pablo’s leader.

     

     

    Then I read the opprobrium.

     

     

    So went back and read the leader again in case I missed summat.

     

     

    Don’t think I did.

     

     

    It’s not rocket science.

     

     

    Pubs are enclosed spaces.

     

     

    You can’t wear a mask while drinking a pint.

     

     

    Alcohol consumption impairs judgement.

     

     

    What’s contentious?

     

     

    Celtic Park 10% occupied is safer than a pub.

     

     

    I think there is another angle which Paul MAY have deliberately ommitted.

     

     

    Celtic could design and roll out a pilot safely and effectively.

     

     

    Sevco couldn’t and so wouldn’t be allowed to.

     

     

    Cue outrage from orange voters.

  2. Go tell the Spartim on

    TB

     

     

    You see what you wanna see as does everyone else. PL wants as much of fans money as he can get and the sooner the better, match day income is one of our main income generators

     

     

    If someone said we played in green and white hoops you’d claim it was vertical stripes.

     

     

    Be boring if we were all the same 🍀

  3. POG,

     

     

    Again,you post a negative post.The Bars will not be open,neither will food outlets.Very easy to decide who gets in,by ST planning.2000 in each end.2000,in the big stand.1000,upstairs,1000,downstairs.The old stand,1000.

     

    The following game,a different set of fans allowed in.And so on.Not difficult unless you want to make it so.

  4. GO TELL THE SPARTIM,

     

     

    There will be no match day income.How does that work.Its simple.You go in allocated entrances,as per your ST,you watch the game,you leave,by allocated exit.

  5. TIMALOY29 on 30TH JULY 2020 1:34 PM

     

    ‘Cannae wait to read all the posts from the SNP drones telling us its “too dangerous” to go to Parkhead.’

     

     

     

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    Just in case anyone is in any doubt, I am not an SNP drone.

  6. Go tell the Spartim on

    TB

     

    How do you know there’ll be no match day income supposition.

     

     

    Stay out the sun

  7. Paul67 et al

     

     

    Do we need one of those Video season tickets to be able to watch Celtic FC in the pub?

  8. Welcome Barkas.

     

    Truly farewell and thanks FF. Who knows? Maybe we’ll see you again.

  9. Someone told me that Celtic are planning to do the catering on match day with drones to avoid spreading germs

     

     

    Personally, i think it’s pie in the sky……..

  10. Paul 67.

     

    Wonder how you will stand on impaired judgements the next time PL advocates the sale of alcohol in stadia?

  11. PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 30TH JULY 2020 12:50 PM

     

    So far two support P67’s article and nine say it’s pish, enough said😱

     

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    So elegant. So incisive. So forensic. Yet so trivial.

  12. Celtic Mac

     

     

    i think there were special instructions for CSCs so i assume pubs where clubs operate from get to show it

  13. Just to finish my bit on this,I think Nicola Sturgeon has every right to do what she thinks is right,she seems to be managing the situation very well at the moment.My only argument,is for a trial in letting vastly reduced numbers inside Stadiums.If its a flop,well,at least you tried.At some time,unless a Vaccine is forthcoming shortly,everyone is going to have to learn to live with Covid.If say,7,000 fans can get a bit of safe enjoyment,doing what they love,then I think its worth a trial.

     

    End off.Thank God.

  14. Increasingly political and hostile anti-Scot Gov agenda on a Celtic platform is getting tiresome.

     

     

    ‘Those not prepared to admit it should consider how much thought control they are already under.’

     

     

    Really? It’s a pandemic with huge consequences for the population’s health and economic well-being of failing to regulate mass events properly. Sorry for having the audacity to hold a different view from you. Who is really seeking to control thoughts?

  15. Go tell the Spartim on

    TB

     

     

    Much merit in a trial, I’m sure we wouldn’t be short of volunteers and I hope they all stay safe as I do you all.

  16. I never knew there were so many NP drones or whatever you call them on CQN. It’s just like Twitter. Are the attack dogs released by central command? I don’t know.

     

     

    As for Off the Ball panellist, Leitch, watch him. He is a dentist. Not universally admired in that profession. Nobody is entirely sure where or how he became a professor. Very well got in SNP circles. Advised people to attend the Europa League fixture at Ibrox for ‘public health reasons.’

  17. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Beware populist governments of all stripes. Even if they’re Scottish nationalist, rather than right wing English nationalist. Definitely beware the cult of personality around Nicola (irrespective of whether she’s a decent person). And above all beware Jeane Freeman and her political instincts. You wouldn’t like them if you saw them up close.

  18. coney bhoy

     

     

    Yeh that might make sense, given the exclusivity of the broadcasting deal with Sky.

     

     

    Also I read the other day that SPL clubs, not Celtic as yet, will be able to show non Sky matches in a form of pay per view. Interesting development, would allow those of us without broadcast season tickets, to watch games live from Celtic Park, something Celtic TV (Great Britain-Ireland) is not able to do. If Celtic go with it that is.

  19. Turkeybhoy,

     

     

    I’m the least negative guy on the planet as I’m sure one or two on here will testify to, but then you do not know me or are you likely to. I’m also a realist and allowing between 7 – 10 thousand people travel unnecessarily through Glasgow to a football match is a risk not worth taking. If it is allowed how many other non-official attendees will turn up at the stadium.

     

    Paul’s article by inference suggests pubs were opened to allow people to watch football matches, which is not the case. I can’t vouch for anywhere else but up here in Forres the local pubs insist that you sit at tables arranged at a safe distance and it is waitress service only with the waitresses wearing masks. Only one person at a time allowed into the toilets and all surfaces wiped down when the customer leaves. So the comparison does not work if the Forres model is universal.

     

    When it comes to public health caution is of vital importance, nothing to do with negativity.

  20. FRITZSONG on 30TH JULY 2020 3:10 PM,

     

    As for Off the Ball panellist, Leitch, watch him. He is a dentist. Not universally admired in that profession. Nobody is entirely sure where or how he became a professor.

     

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    I’m fully aware that Jason Leitch is a dentist but where do you get the rest of that information from? As far as I understand he is well respected by both the dental and medical professions.

  21. ERNIE LYNCH on 30TH JULY 2020 2:39 PM

     

    TIMALOY29 on 30TH JULY 2020 1:34 PM

     

     

    ‘Cannae wait to read all the posts from the SNP drones telling us its “too dangerous” to go to Parkhead.’

     

     

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    Just in case anyone is in any doubt, I am not an SNP drone.

     

     

    Lol.:-)

  22. on an aside – i got my fishul Celtic FC face masks through the other day. Actually look OK, not as tacky as i thought. Using it on the train and in shops

     

     

    I also got my grey tartan Slanj (kilt guys in Glasgow and Edinburgh) one as well. Dead cool for work,

  23. prestonpans bhoys on

    Pog @3:20

     

     

    I’ve not been in a pub since lockdown but I’ve been told my local has a similar setup to yours moreover the sound is switched off to discourage shouting. Not sure that one will work!!

  24. It’s amazing how the majority of articles Paul leads with have a handful of related comments – but as soon as it’s a bit political then it’s wall to wall.

     

    Just an observation not a criticism.

     

     

    Haven’t we signed anyone yet 🤔

  25. Policies and restrictions are full of inconsistencies and government guidance is confused and at time incongruous.

     

    Attendance in a pub is ok but an open air stadium is prohibited.

     

    Travel in a steel tube at 20k feet is permitted, but many open air beaches are out of bounds.

     

    Apart from wearing a mask super markets there are no restrictions. However I can only recently attend mass in reduced numbers, and, in some states, hymn singing is proscribed.

     

    And receiving the Holy Eucharist is only permitted on the hand.

     

    To me the important thing is personal responsibility.

     

    As an old fhart with underlying conditions, the onus is on me to ensure my own safety to allow me to witness 10IAR.

     

    However, I would not want to deprive younger, healthier and responsible Celtic fans to watch games live in a historic season.

  26. Anyone else who wants to criticise Paul`s article should , perhaps, start from the premise that nowhere does he advocate a return to full houses at Celtic Park. He does, though, mention social distancing and other factors which indicate very small numbers (compared with capacity)in attendance.

     

     

    Even one of our most excellent contributors,TBB, concentrates on worst case scenarios:

     

     

    ” It encompasses the queue outside, the scrum at the bog, the catering, the pressed congestion on the stairs at full time.

     

    But it also encompasses the supporters buses, the trains, the buses, the shared cars to and from the match, and the risk to other folk who cannot avoid the crowds before and after the match.”

     

     

    If we consider , say, a 6,000 atendees trial, then most of TBB`s worries (and those of many others) would prove to be unfounded.

  27. PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 30TH JULY 2020 3:39 PM,

     

     

    I’ve been in the pub up here about half a dozen times, since reopening, albeit only drinking coffee and water. The loudest bassa I know, or so I’m told by some, was very quiet in the pub when I was there apparently due to him only drinking coffee and water.😉

  28. The Battered Bunnet on

    JJ – sorry, it wouldn’t. It would reduce risk, perhaps by a factor of 10 or thereabouts, but it certainly wouldn’t make them unfounded.

  29. Paul’s a Celtic fan and he’s giving a Celtic fans view.

     

     

    I want football fans to be dealt with fairly. There is no evidence that would suggest an enclosed pub is safer than an open-air stadium.

     

     

    Changes would need to be made. Capacity would need to be reduced. The queue for the bog would need to be properly socially distanced.

     

     

    The idea that today’s article is somehow driven by PL and not the views of a Celtic fan baffles me.

     

     

    Am I the only one who’d like to get some use out my season book? Maybe only 6,000 fans get in. But that’s better than nothing.

  30. It would appear the English football authorities are slightly more concerned with financial transparency than their Scottish counterparts.

     

     

    Where do Newcastle go from here?

  31. CONEYBHOY on 30TH JULY 2020 2:43 PM

     

    Someone told me that Celtic are planning to do the catering on match day with drones to avoid spreading germs

     

     

    Personally, i think it’s pie in the sky……..

     

     

    Post of the day CONEYBHOY, and a nice way to cut through all the angst today.

     

     

    Personally I think that’s more likely to be pie in your lap! 😊

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