The potential scenario of a Scottish Premier League club going out of business, becoming an ex-club, has played out in several places since we discussed it last month. As a result, we have all had an opportunity to establish our views on the matter, what would and would not be an acceptable reaction by the league and SFA.
The first ‘insolvency event’ of a failing club is likely to be the appointment of an administrator to protect the company from immediate creditors. This would draw a 10 point penalty. The choice of the administrator for a football club could be a controversial subject, especially if some creditors stand to lose a considerable amount of money through any rushed deal. For example, although Rangers have a considerable potential liability to HMRC hanging over them, their creditors might feel that a period of administration stretching several years into the future would enable all debts to be paid in full, a position not all administrators would necessarily agree with.
It’s normal for directors to appoint an administrator prior to a creditor getting to court but if creditors don’t feel the appointment is likely to serve their best interests they can apply to appoint their own. These battles can get acrimonious.
In the days after an administrator is appointed the club may not be in a position to fulfil its fixtures. When Gretna’s administrator informed the Scottish Football League they could not guarantee they would be able to fulfil the following season’s fixtures the league relegated them two divisions, to the bottom rung of the league structure. This proved to be a temporary position before the administrator admitted defeat and folded the company. Precedent suggests we should look out for a double relegation if a club in administration has to tell the league they cannot fulfil fixtures.
There is no point waiting until a well-organised administrator presents a fait accompli to the league before we look for precedents and debate an appropriate response. For the integrity of the Scottish game, football fans need to be ready for this debate. Where possibly, colours should be pinned to the mast.
One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.
The question is still-hypothetical, so clubs are not in a position to comment officially yet, but we are in a healthier position for the debate and should encourage high profile supporters of other clubs to engage the debate as some from our own club have recently.
Fans Against Criminalisation are holding a pubic meeting on Saturday, 12 November, at Whitehill Secondary School, 280 Onslow Drive, Denniston, with Michael McMahon, MSP, among others, speaking. Try to make it along to support this important initiative before you are criminalised by a combination of stealth and apathy.
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What the world needs is more geniuses with humility, there are so few of us left. (thumbsup)
Philvis woz heer …
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:24
iki says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:10
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:01
“Spare a thought for Paul Lennon of Thai Tims fame, he has to choose 44 from 680 weans,who will fly to paradise to sing and meet the Celtic support.”
When are they coming?
………..
Still to be announced, I think Paul Lennon has to decide who’s going today.
V
Philvis you scoundrel!
How do you do it?
Are you sure you’re not Paul’s alter-ego?
Congrats to Philvis on yet another 1st (thumbsup)
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:01
“Spare a thought for Paul Lennon of Thai Tims fame, he has to choose 44 from 680 weans,who will fly to paradise to sing and meet the Celtic support.”
Apparently it’s determined by a gruelling, physical selection process, staged over a number of months, so that only the best are ultimately chosen … or am I thinking of the Gurkhas?
Either way, looking forward to seeing and hearing them soon. I’m sure they’ll get a great reception from the parkhead faithful.
!!Bada Bing!! says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:44
VP- 12 mate.G64 has been quiet….
Good on you,mind take it easy ,remember what happened Danny glover in Lethal weapon.
G64 doesn’t normally post through the week, he’s sober.
how does philvis always do it!?? i suspect foul play……… ;)
repost from last thread:
obonfanti1888 says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:47
JF; I hope that’s the case but more likely this’ll probably be turned on to the Celtic Trust or indeed Hirst and dismissed as ‘paranoia’; any journo worth their salt would be digging as we speak to see if there’s any truth in these allegations.
It’s quite simple, if she doesn’t deny these allegations she must be removed from the process immediately and if Salmond is serious about tackling bigotry he must sack her from the party. Anything less will not suffice if these allegations are true.
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“I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season.”
Reassuring :-)
Folly Folly – How do you get to Carnegie Hall? (thumbsup)
Panda Hands – Thank you, kind sir. (thumbsup)
Som mes que, deleted, that line…
Interesting article.
I saw somewhere that there was a resistance to discussion on this until the event took place, but the main point of Paul’s article seems to be telling us the opposite.
Seems to me that the concerns of some were correct – that the intention will be to rush this process through quickly with fear being the motivator used on other clubs to do so, and to avoid “complications” arising from the questioning of said process by astute Tims.
From last thread, re Grahame:
Big Nan @ 12:42
You’ve been quite up to speed on this (thankfully!).
Do you really think Salmond hasn’t seen the potential explosiveness of this bill, and the madness of putting such a person in charge as convenor?
I’m struggling to believe that. Politics is a right murky world. So’s Scottish Law it would seem, another area she’s done well in.
I am Philvis!
Moonbeams WD. \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. C’mon the hoops. says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:49
Voguepunter
That’s cause I’m a good ghuy.
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You trying to say JF is a bad ghuy?
shitstirrer c.s.c Hail hail
James F / MWD : ya couple o fa**ies….! :-))))
T4
Philvis
Watch out for repetitive strain injuries!
FF
Paul67, re you’re article where you said……
‘….. I sought and received assurances that they will not vote to admonish owners of an ex-football club with a paltry point penalty, allowing them to reform as though nothing happened the following season….’
Does the above mean you don’t believe they can rise phoenix like (assuming the rangers current points total) THIS season?
Vinny
HH
Anti-Catholic rhetoric
An explosive development a bit late for Guy Fawkes,
About a corrupt politician and the way she walks,
Never one to pull a punch on her hatred for the church,
Staggers from one comment to the other, in a drunken lurch.
To make her case more solid she has witnesses around,
Profanity and blasphemy from her anti-Catholic mound,
Not caring who can hear her in the belief that she is secure,
In a country of sectarianism what gives her this allure?
Seems intent on getting even, no matter what it takes,
Forgotten that she’s accountable for all of these mistakes,
What makes her think she can be so open in her view?
Anti-Catholic rhetoric, a government issue!
Paul 67
Interesting.
I will never get any work done today.
philvisreturns says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:38
‘ernie lynch – I think it was more a case of Labour being absolutely delighted to obtain the support of the Murdoch press, and now feeling free to attack them because they no longer enjoy that support.
But I’m a cynic.’
That’s not the comment of a cynic. That’s the comment of a naive ingenue.
Labour knew from experience that they needed the Murdoch press on side if they were to get into power.
It was a price they were prepared to pay.
The Tories and the SNP would, and have, done the same.
Mon the Tiger
Mon the administrator
Interesting developments. Some word going around that tomorrow could be a significant day. Anybody else know/heard anything?
You know as much as I love debating the potential outcomes for Rangers, I must admit that I’m getting a tad restless; my over riding emotion at the moment towards our rivals is “HURRY UP AND DIE!!!”; with every passing week I must confess that I’m starting to worry this might not happen any time soon. Christmas cancelled. :(
To reiterate:
“HURRY UP AND DIE RANGERS!”
and mon the hector! :)
obonfanti1888:
The SNP, with its history, cannot afford to dismiss these claims without an investigation. The fact the allegations include some of a personal nature – extra-martial affairs with other MSP’s – is enough, on its own, to bring her judgement and conduct into serious question and she should swing for that on its own … and I think when she IS sacrificed that will be the stated reason.
This Bill needs re-examining tho, and the utmost pressure must now be put on the SNP parliamentarians who, themselves, have reservations about it. The Catholic Church needs to phone Salmond today and hammer this out.
It can be coached in whatever terms they like. They can dress it up to look better, and reach an all-party consensus on the matter if that’s what it takes – yes, a grubby backroom meeting to thrash out how they can limit the damage to the country and the parliament – I don’t care if that’s what it takes, as long as this bill is dead.
But this raises bigger issues, and asks bigger questions, than about one person. This shines a light on the political leadership of our country, and I suspect you’ll see Phil write a piece for the Irish press, which will be picked up by unionist papers in England … and we’ll get a groundswell.
I think she’s a Dead Woman Walking. It’s only a matter of time.
James Forrest is Lennon – I hope you are right.
The SNP is a bit full of itself at the moment.
Apparently Salmond has threatened to use the police and the civil service to sabotage any referendum on Scottish independence Westminster may think of holding.
Somebody needs to put a bit of stick about, make em jump. (thumbsup)
obonfanti1888 at 12:56
It’s a pity they couldn’t be taken to a Swiss hospital and their suffering ended.
It would be the humane thing to do.
Mort
ernie lynch – So you’re saying Labour are as bad as the Tories and the SNP?
Thanks for clarifying. (thumbsup)
James Forrest is Lennon says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:56
Bang on with each part. It’s an absolute racing certainty that Phil will write about this elsewhere with greater exposure – certainly more exposure than a two-bit msp from a pretend parliament can hope to ride out.
philvisreturns:
You may very well think that … I could not possibly comment!
(ThumbsupforFrancisUrqhuart)
Paul 67: One outcome of the online debate in the last couple of days (thanks to untiring work of our friend Phil) is that Celtic were forced to consider this question.
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Paul, I am sure the club have been considering for a long time the potential options or routes we can take.
What Phil’s article has certainly done has made it crystal clear to the custodians that the fans’ position is 100% united in an enforcement of the rules.
Your utterances provide some comfort that there will be no murky deals to minimise damage to the huns.
Interesting times.
DownForSam – I’m Philvicus. (thumbsup)
James Forrest is Lennon – I’d vote for F.U.
He’d ginger things up a bit. (thumbsup)
mearns 2 milton says:
10 November, 2011 at 12:55
‘Anybody else know/heard anything?’
I know lots of stuff.
Like, for instance, Neil Young’s middle name is Percival.
Bit of a shocker, that, eh?
Paul67
A suggestion for your already excellent site.
I’ve noticed posters seeking updates on injuries and return dates for our players.
Perphaps a wee link to a page similiar to this EPL injury table
would be great and would stop the repeated requests for info.
You could also include suspensions.
I appreciate that you’re a busy man so perphaps you could delegate the updating of the link to one of the CQN posters that have a ‘line’ to this sort of info.
Just a thought. Keep up the brilliant work.
Hx2
Paul 67
It’s your house and I will abide by the rules, but why was the original post I referred to not deleted?
Great article Paul, Rangers should pay in the heaviest terms possible for their blatant disregard for the rules and indeed for the Scottish game as a whole otherwise an already staggering league will fall headlong into the abyss.
No truck with the liars and cheats!!
SP
Bhoys
Philvis appreciation society meeting tonight at usual time. Venue details below. Big crowd expected.
Philvis’ local.
Som mes que un club:
I’ve been stressed for the last few months mate, so yes I do apologise for that remark.
One of my most embarrasing moments on this blog. Shocker. No excuse.