The one ray of sunshine in our long dark autumn was holding Lille to a 2-2 draw in France. After 13 games, the French club sit second top of Ligue 1, two points off PSG; so far, this is their season in the sun. The French club sit top of our Europa League group, a point ahead of Milan, both teams have qualified for the knock out round ahead of the final group games tomorrow.
Lille are incentivised to win at Celtic Park, there is the best part of Є1m open to them and seeding in the first knockout round to play for. Celtic’s motivation is less clear. We should certainly rest some ahead of the more important game on Sunday against Kilmarnock, but our defence needs every test it can get right now. A clean sheet is achievable and should be the focus on team planning today.
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Why is it that some people only bring up resolution 12 and other related issues only when we suffer a bad result or a few?
Why is it that the same folk who are organising this protest on Sunday stood back and watched 12 years of cheating and corruption pass without offering anything tangible?
Why is the Share Price high ?
Nothing ever happens at an AGM
Nothing.
Ever.
it’s mostly a panto act , wrapped up in a bit of theatre that gives the illusion of executive relevance.
( I’m not saying that’s what it should be, just what it is, mostly)
Keep the receipt on those pitchforks.
HH.
Come Celtic n Celtic, beat the Lilley livered bassas.
The season’s pretty much screwed up, let’s enjoy every game ( yup I’ve had a few).
DAVID17 on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 9:40 PM
Why is it that some people only bring up resolution 12 and other related issues only when we suffer a bad result or a few?
Why is it that the same folk who are organising this protest on Sunday stood back and watched 12 years of cheating and corruption pass without offering anything tangible?
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Why indeed?
The CST provided technical advice initially, got mad that Res12 was adjourned as if it would have been best to have had it voted down, had other priorities with small resources for the investigative years, but stayed as observers after being put in the picture and have supported in the voting but no righteous indignation at Celtic’s response at last 2 AGMs.
The CSA took a keener interest in investigative years but when a push came to a shove this year they disappeared.
Very disappointing.
The mistake that was made by the Res12 shareholders was thinking no self respecting horse would keep drinking poison from the well once it was pointed out to them that is what they had been doing.
All that was needed to have a clear out of SFA, LNS overturned, titles removed, same club myth debunked Celtic Board made accountable was put out there when the RES12 Archive was set up over 2 years ago, but for all the moaning few were angry enough to get out the pitchforks.
There is a bit more to add to the archive which demonstrates just how untrustworthy the CEO is , but being cheated for 10 years was never going to cause a protest meeting in spite of the fact the they same guy has taken the support to where they now have to wave “Down with that sort of thing” banners in The Celtic Way.
Then go home.
Nothing.
Ever.
Happens.
At.
An.
AGM.
RC on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 8:56 PM
That was funny😂😂
Auldheid- I suggested the other day, with no disrespect to guys in the Celtic Trust, the fans need a stronger vehicle with a louder voice,possibly a membership scheme with a view to buying shares…..I know it would be a small fish,but got to start somewhere.
BANKIEBHOY1 on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 9:58 PM
Nothing ever happens at an AGM
Nothing.
Ever.
it’s mostly a panto act , wrapped up in a bit of theatre that gives the illusion of executive relevance.
( I’m not saying that’s what it should be, just what it is, mostly)
Keep the receipt on those pitchforks.
HH.
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Well Celtic have said
The Company was disappointed when the Scottish FA declined to investigate the issues referred to and was surprised when the Scottish FA determined not to continue with proceedings, which it had itself opened. In respect of the particular issues now raised, the Board has engaged with the requisitioning shareholders and ====> will engage with the relevant authorities as appropriate in the interests of the Company, providing an update when possible.
In the circumstances, therefore, the Board considers the resolution to be unnecessary and recommends that you vote against it.
In effect said they would pursue the matter rather than the shareholders. Six years late but better late than never. (I know its hard to take in after 7 years of resistance)
The shareholders have asked “how exactly and whom”? in over 50 e mails to AGM organisers , two of which can be read at
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1x_VWOY7Y4RjZ7r1Lrq9ab56iaruev-hK/view?usp=sharing
and if nothing else we can wait to hear if a response at AGM and if it is, is it reassuring?
they are going to take pursuit of the matters with SFA in response to the statement from shareholders
Protest is never wasted
Aul’heid…….
I hope it works out well , for all concerned.
CQN CSC.
HH.
Robert.
Agreed.
HH.
!!BADA BING!! on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 10:14 PM
Auldheid- I suggested the other day, with no disrespect to guys in the Celtic Trust, the fans need a stronger vehicle with a louder voice,possibly a membership scheme with a view to buying shares…..I know it would be a small fish,but got to start somewhere.
I put this to the CST Chair on eve of Open Meeting.
Their response will be interesting.
The Future of the CST. Thoughts.
The following are some thoughts for CST to consider to help make Celtic more accountable to their support based on experience of pursuing Resolution 12.
1. Suggest CST change name from CST to the Registered Name: Celtic Supporters’ Society Limited Company Number: IP29147R so that it is clear CST is open to supporters and shareholders alike.
2. Give supporters without shares a reason to join more than buying shares to enable CST to speak for them . Make use of technology and harness social media to identify representational issues, seeks views and act on them after gaining consensus.
3. Revisit the CST Constitution to see if it needs changing to reflect what in effect would be a re branding and whatever aims , objectives and roles the rebranded organisation take on.
4. Expand the new organisation to cover many thousands of Celtic supporters, ST Holders, Celtic TV subscribers, etc to give them added authority when raising issues with The Board.
5. Give each member a membership card with a membership number.
6. Be prepared to use the financial investment supporters make in Celtic to challenge what is in the Company’s interest where resistance is being met by The Board with no good reason.
7. Make the Celtic Board more accountable and transparent as a result.
8. Use subscriptions to fund share purchases, set up legal cost fund (you need lawyers to argue your case with Celtic/SPFL/SFA Lawyers) and pay someone to administer /manage the expanded membership.
9. Reshape web site to capture emerging issues, keep track of them and keep membership up to date on issues
10. Invite contributions from Celtic supporters that align with organisations aims for publishing on the web site.
11. Allow for a much expanded AGM and look at how it might be set up, perhaps using same technology as the Open Meeting on Zoom.
12. Encourage volunteers with specific expertise to join sub committees to cover separate issues where particular knowledge is needed.
13. Set agendas and invite Celtic to attend rather than be invited to meetings in small groups and encourage two way dialogue with Celtic as a prerequisite for restoring trust.
14. Disabuse The Celtic Board of any notion the Celtic support are not capable of rational engagement.
Res 12 Lessons.
1. Much bigger support baseline needed.
2. Celtic use the lack of such to ignore pursuing issues
3. Legal fund absolute necessary to establish shareholder rights and Director responsibilities and challenge legal reasons used to obstruct progress.
4. Media are under Celtic’s thumb, many journalists briefed on Res12 evidence, none followed up because it is not in their interests, so a respected presence on Social Media required to get any message out.
5. Make a connection between business issues being pursued and results on the park so that there is a greater understanding of the importance of having a Board that is accountable as symptoms of poor business practice manifest themselves on the field of play.
6. A lot of hard work involved but easier if spread over a larger organisation with a wider resource base to call on..
Is Ryan ‘hand(s) up’ banned for Thursday, if so perhaps we can get someone who can do dead ball kicks properly.
Had to laugh when commentator described him as a dead ball specialist😱 whoosh
PB- Turnbull, remember him? Took a few good corners in the game he played at CP a few months ago…
Auldheid- that just about covers what I mean…☝️😆
Bankiebhoy – are you saying that Del Amitri are the sinister force behind neutralising the body of the hall at Celtic AGM’s?
Is that why we are always the last to know?
Vinyltrackscsc
You don’t take a knife to a gunfight
(or whatever parable, fits),
Jinks………………
:)
By jove ye have it Bhoy!
Nothing…………….( unless of course, there’s a snafu!)
!!BADA BING!! on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 10:40 PM
Aye one of a whole whack of guys who get 20 minutes or last 5 if they are lucky, barking mad tactical decisions
Ulysses McGhee at 19.45
What am eloquent post. Sums up exactly how I’ve been feeling for ages.
Might frame that👍
Don’t know about anybody else ,always thought my team were playing for me and the likes of me, just doesn’t feel like that at the moment _ _ _ _ in all my days as a Celtic supporter never ever felt like that even in the worst of times
Coneybhoy – agreed
Ulysses- been a long time since Rothesay- lovely to see you posting and crafting your words so well
A pint looms when the dark slips away
HH
JRS
Interesting ….
https://twitter.com/deejaypb/status/1336784357550411778?s=21
DESSYBHOY on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 7:24 PM
LC
If this all comes out in the wash about the 5WA and the stitch up of Scottish football to benefit one club then I hope fans of other clubs are as angry as some Celtic supporters, they would probably have more leverage with their club to demand restructuring of and the removal from the game of those responsible, you cannot have one set of rules for one club and rules for the rest.
As for 55 not a chance a new club came into existence in 2012 Traverso from UEFA said so even though he wasnt asked that, why would he say that?
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He was speaking the language of Article 12 of UEFA FFP.
He was saying that there was no point pursuing the tax overdue non compliance charges relating to the monitoring periods in June and September 2011 because even though it was clear there had been non compliance with monitoring rules any sanctions relating to that period would have fallen into season 2012/2013 and by then the club who had failed to comply no longer existed and were replaced by a new club/company.
Now a lot has been made about the use of the word company in support of the idea Rangers always were a club separate from a company pre 2012 and not enough attention paid to the word “new”.
Traverso’s words in 2016 reflected exactly the position of the applicant for a UEFA Licence from 2015 when the club had served three years as a new club/company before being eligible to apply.
Before 2012 the applicant for a UEFA licence was Rangers Football Club. No other entity. Rangers Football Club was the name on the template used by applicant clubs.
After 2012 it was Rangers International Football Club i.e. a new company that applied for a UEFA Licence on behalf of Rangers Football Club Ltd a new club and although the accounts supporting the application were under the name of RIFC , the contents of those accounts came from the finances of Rangers Football Club Ltd. I’ve seen them on Companies House.
So before 2012 just a club existed as UEFA define one under a) of Article 12, after 2012 a new club/company under b) of Article 12 appeared and here is what it says:
” Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence
Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant
1 A licence applicant may ONLY BE A FOOTBALL CLUB, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible
for a football team participating in national and international competitions which
either:
a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated
league (hereinafter: registered member); (Rangers before 2012)
or
b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football
company). (RIFC who are party to the contract – that has to be written- and Rangers Football Club Ltd who are the registered member of the SFA,NOT RIFC)
2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at
the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any
alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example,
changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings
between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on
sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a
competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual
relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision. ”
In Rangers case the interruption as far as UEFA are concerned was permanent and they did not recognise the Transfer of the SFA Membership from Rangers Football Club PLC (oldco) to Sevco under the 5 Way Agreement to become Rangers Football Club Ltd , as conferring continuity.
They couldn’t without destroying the aim of Article 12 which was to protect the integrity of UEFA completions (something the 5 Way failed to do btw and I wonder if UEFA were ever consulted) and of course if the post 2012 applicant was the same as the pre 2012 applicant then any application in 2015 would have to have used the accounts of the club undergoing liquidation. Absurdistan
I hope that is clear and it is a reasons why the 5 Way should never have been signed as it sacrificed the integrity of our game for commercial reasons and has angered Celtic supporters since because it allowed a club guilty of cheating the rest of Scottish football to keep its ill gotten gains as a result of a flawed LNS Commission flowing from the 5 Way that again Celtic failed to challenge with evidence provided in 2014.
Auldheid on 9th December 2020 10:21 pm
Post of the year!
Elhamed quoted in the Sun on how lonely he is in Glasgow, trains goes home and pretty much doesn’t leave the house even before COVID hit. His Wife & son are in israel and she was denied work permit.
Interesting insight that we aren’t always aware of.
NL also spoke to ET today and apparently unaware that Elhamed wants a move back.
auldheid
Reading PhilMacs latest blog, which includes letters to etc there is a language which does not appear to be in the actual submission-statement namely;
1. “A return to the Celtic moral ethos on which Celtic were founded and lost under the PLC”
Surely that ethos was lost in 1897 (possibly earlier when Brother Walfrid left for London in I think 1892) but certainly 1897 when the Club was Incorporated as a limited company. Lasting until 1994 the share ownership was limited in effect to three families, the Grants, Whites and Kelly’s, the club ran for the benefit of the few and not the many, and who Fergus McCann with Celtic facing liquidation had to buy out. That “ethos” lasted nearly a century.
Or is that Phil’s words I’m quoting?
Encouraging quotes from NL in ET tonight that Soro & Turnbull will play bigger roles for rest of the year and season.
Bhoy From The Boyne on 9th December 2020 11:59 pm
Interesting insights from the Sun? I hear you though. I couldn’t do that. Positive vibes to the dude without his loved ones around.
In other news I just heard the news tell me Brexit negotiations have gone in to “extra time” and they had lots of fish in their Brexit talk dinner. What the actual….. Off to read my stories.
There was a post earlier about the role of confidence in a players performance.
Here is my personal one.
After years of playing in tight black ash pitches and waste grounds my touch was good, having learned to anticipate what angle the ball would come off the protruding gas pipe, I then find myself on a huge grass pitch in a London park, a ball is played to me high and I chest it down under control waiting to be barged in the back. I whip round and the defender is a yard away, I waltz pass him big smile on my face. I didn’t actually shout to the Manager “Yer gonnae need a second ball” but I was thinking it.
You know why?
My confidence was sky high and I spent the rest of the game seeing how many guys I could get past on a dribble. I think 5 was the most in a line before laying ball off for a goal.
A good first touch gives CONFIDENCE and we are a team lacking it, so it’s not beyond the bounds of possibility that the loss of form is due to loss of touch, which my experience tells me can return at any time and I look for signs every game.
Perhaps Neil is too.
auldheid
The present Celtic team, the club too maybe, cannot even see beyond the next pass, and more often these days cannot even make that happen.
Result, lose the ball, lose possession and increasingly lose a goal.
Not quite a recipe for keeping that proverbial clean sheet Paul thinks is achievable.
CELTIC MAC on 10TH DECEMBER 2020 12:07 AM
auldheid
Reading PhilMacs latest blog, which includes letters to etc there is a language which does not appear to be in the actual submission-statement namely;
1. “A return to the Celtic moral ethos on which Celtic were founded and lost under the PLC”
Surely that ethos was lost in 1897 (possibly earlier when Brother Walfrid left for London in I think 1892) but certainly 1897 when the Club was Incorporated as a limited company. Lasting until 1994 the share ownership was limited in effect to three families, the Grants, Whites and Kelly’s, the club ran for the benefit of the few and not the many, and who Fergus McCann with Celtic facing liquidation had to buy out. That “ethos” lasted nearly a century.
Or is that Phil’s words I’m quoting?
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One of the letters mentioned a Marist Brother and it was that which prompted the sentence you picked up.
I don’t dispute the time the ethos was lost but for me that is less important than getting it back.
Call me a romantic but folk who have that loving feeling as in looking after others, should not be governed by folk who are driven by a degree of self interest to the point of being deceitful towards to those they are supposed to serve.
CELTIC MAC on 10TH DECEMBER 2020 12:36 AM
auldheid
The present Celtic team, the club too maybe, cannot even see beyond the next pass, and more often these days cannot even make that happen.
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I do not recollect the last time I ever saw so many Celtic players display a bad touch in one game as on Sunday.
Every expletive deleted aimed at the screen was caused by a player failing to meet a level of technical ability I would expect from a good amateur, never mind a professional.
AIPPLE on 9TH DECEMBER 2020 11:40 PM
Auldheid on 9th December 2020 10:21 pm
Post of the year!
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Thank you I hope the CST think it worth considering.
I think their approach is a bit too much jam tomorrow and weakens any attempts at change until the jam arrives.
It is a worthwhile long term one but numbers with buying power would get attention as soon as it reached say 5K?
That 5k would enable legal advice to be on tap, the lack of which probably added 4 years to Res12 and having that number would remove Celtic’s excuse for dragging their heels as in no one is really interested, so take of another year.
The CST response if any will be interesting.
Auldheid on 10th December 2020 12:43 am
I do not recollect the last time I ever saw so many Celtic players display a bad touch in one game as on Sunday.
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Also the above. I cannot fathom how me continually play passes behind the target and do not play ahead into runs. It’s basic. Each pass we play kills the stride of the man receiving.
auldheid
You’re a romantic!
For the record I don’t think that we, as supporters have ever lost that link with Brother Walfrid and the Glasgow of the 1880s, and if I ever have to try and explain to someone who and what Celtic are, that is always my, our, starting point, and that can never change.
Here’s to the romantics …..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8_uUKKNXY&ab_channel=PhractureerutcarhP
Ave Ave