I watched a few cup games on TV over the weekend, including the Exeter City-Liverpool and Hearts-Aberdeen games. There was a huge juxtaposition between the two Liverpool goalkeepers on show, Adam Bogdan (28), who had a nightmare for Liverpool against Exeter, and loan-ee Danny Ward (22), who was Aberdeen’s top performer against Hearts.
Within a day Jurgen Klopp recalled Ward from Aberdeen, who I’m sure will now become first deputy at Anfield. Six months ago Ward was not part of first team plans at Liverpool, who wanted Bogdan to be deputy to Mignolet. Ward took his chance, played in Europe and became a fans’ favourite at Aberdeen.
Without this loan, I’m sure Ward’s profile at Liverpool would be well below its current level. This is a great example of why you put players out on loan. Players sitting in the stands, or playing youth or reserve football, will find it very difficult to progress.
The other aspect of Danny Ward’s Aberdeen experience is that he was hooked back home after a live TV game. With the sheer number of players out on loan, I often wonder how much scrutiny of their progress parent clubs are able to deploy. Especially if it’s Celtic sending a player to Norway. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that Ward’s performance being on TV at the critical moment when Liverpool were pondering their reserve keeper position had a bearing on his career development.
For some clubs, appropriate scrutiny of players out on loan will be practically impossible (Chelsea list 30 players on loan at the moment).
If we extrapolate the way large clubs harvest players, there’s a good possibility loan players will make up the bulk of transfer activity across football going forward. Teams like Aberdeen should be using their Danny Ward experience to demonstrate what a good place they are for English Premier League teams to send players. I know a couple of years back there was some apprehension that one Scottish club were making inroads into Newcastle United’s misfits, but some cunning campaigning put paid to that.
All clubs need to learn how to feed off the squads of others, while managing the development of their own talent, not yet ready for a place in the first team. Those who do this well will flourish. Club partnerships will be the next big story in football, they will change the balance of power. At the moment there is little discernible pattern to how and where clubs loan players. This will change as clubs try to replicate the experiences of Danny Ward and Jason Denayer. Partnering with others, both up and down the food-chain, looks like the biggest efficiency gain in the game today.
Delighted at the genuine anticipation ahead of our next Scottish Cup game, which will be against either East Kilbride or Lothian Thistle. It’s a great story for grassroots football, no matter if it’s played in the Lothians or Lanarkshire.
Anyone surprised that lot were hauled into court this week by someone else looking to be paid? What a way to run your business. We know how the story will end.
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Emu
Was it sung inside the stadium, I genuinely didn’t hear that?
MalkyD
Sorry for your loss.
HT
It was sung inside the ground. My feet were tapping, but my lips stayed sealed. :)
MalkyD
Have you lost a wee westie?
Gorgeous pair in that photie.
Sorry.
DD
Really, really surprised at that.
Seriously…Roamin?.. Last time I heard it sung was early 80s. We are much better than that irrespective of the fact that it gives those who want it a tree to break over our back.
HH
HT & Gearoid
The Brits Out Now chant shocked me more than Roman in the Gloamin song did.
I’ve just watched the debate at the petitions committee in the Scottish Parliament today (my thanks to the posters who posted a link). I don’t know if the petitioners read cqn but I would like to thank them for a thoroughly composed and remarkable performance today and for their efforts to take this forward.
It was clear from the debate that the vast majority of people are unhappy with what is going on. As for mcaskill nothing I could say could damn him more than that performance.
No wonder we are in the mess we are with police Scotland.
Hamiltontim you once challenged me to do something. How best do I get involved?
CaltonTongues on 12th January 2016 10:38 pm
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 12TH JANUARY 2016 10:29 PM
CT
“The SNP are, by far, the most responsive – Don’t Think Yes Minister, towards their immediate employees. ”
That is your experience but not mine. I witnessed Nicola Sturgeon turn a meeting of parents of children with Autism into a Party Political Broadcast and I had not seen anything like that when Previous Scottish Government spokespersons had addressed such conferences.
If what you say is true, why is there a blind spot all round that leads to the OBaF Act and the Morrow Report? Who exactly are they listening to there?
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SFTB,
I was talking about years before the OBaF Act, many years.
If we ever meet I could example Tory, Labour, Tory, Labour, SNP admin at Holyrood.
Hail Hail
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I had the pleasure? :) of working with CT for 3 years and understand where he is coming from. In fact I’d say that willingness to interact with and within their community is what won them power and lost it to the SNP.
This book, whilst about drug related gang warfare in Milton , is an example.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Caught-Crossfire-Russell-Findlay/dp/1841589918
zybszek @10.30 well said.
CT
Tell the boss to read it :)
Neganon
Good Evening! Hope you are well?
Are you still on your travels or now based more home bound closer to your beloved St Mirren Park :-)
HH
CRC
Evening all.
Apologies if this has been aired earlier. Just read Phil mac’s latest mentioning waghorn sale is possible and johnjames take on WiFi gate.
My point is about the BBC reporting of you know who. The BBC’s report into the WiFi court case fails to mention a key fact ( that JJ didnt miss) – the WiFi stopped working after the internet service provider, virgin, wasn’t paid.
Two days ago BBC news ran an unprecedented piece in their sports bulletin reporting waghorn as the top scorer in British football. I am convinced they got this BBC sport Scotland.
A few days later we have the BBC omitting key facts which demonstrate a pattern of nonpayment by a company. This is the state broadcaster – fear, bias, intimidation, collusion, incompetence?
Regardless of the root cause this is simply not good enough.
Rant over.
BTW – if I was the Federation of Small Businesses, I’d issue an edict to my members advising them not to supply that shower of rogues.
Hail hail
DD
Around 1977 ish went down to Bristol Rovers for trials and Budgie was there also, think they should have Signed him
Also Think he could tell you a story why they didn’t keep him Bobby Campbell was the manager.
HH
Back to Basics – Glass Half Full on 12th January 2016 11:41 pm
I think the other point that was missed by the BBC and many other media outlets , was that the £300k had already been frozen on an interim decision on 31 December, according to the Herald, who also forgot to report it at the time. The current case is to allow the arrestment to continue
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14198666.Wi_Fi_firm_has___300_000_Rangers__cash_ring_fenced_over_money_fears/?ref=rss
HH
CRC
Have just read back on posts regarding the SNP.
I stand by, without any doubt, my view that Scotland is an institutionally racist country.
It is highly likely that the SNP will win the next election hands down. I believe that this will, ultimately be the downfall of the SNP and its ambitions. It has displayed an authoritarian and near facist approach to government. An increased majority will only increase that movement. Sadly the rise of facism isn’t just confined to Scotland.
I have had the dubious pleasure of travelling back from London city airport accompanied by the SNP illuminati. To say their views are alarming would be an understatement.
It’s an interesting world we live in. In some ways the old certainties around left and right wing have been blurred. But man is it all starting to polarise again.
The eu referendum will be equally fascinating, as will the fallout.
As ever it’s the poorest in our society who are most at risk. Who speaks for them? Certainly not the SNP who think of the poor as scum and legislate accordingly. What happened to the brave new world of Scottish social equality? A chance to raise tax? No thanks said Nicola.
Ah well we probably get what we deserve eh. I wonder when you will be asked to wear a shamrock on your clothes to identify you (isn’t trump now starting that in the US).
Evening celticrollercoaster. I have swapped exotic Hague for the less exotic base somewhere between London, Glasgow,Edinburgh and Manchester (and I always seem to be somewhere in between them.
As I type I am close to good ole st Mirren park tho :)
Great to hear the widespread condemnation of the return of the “old songs.”
Butsy
Do you remember Gerry Crawley? Queens Park, Dumbarton and Bristol.
Neg
Come home to Drumchapel! :))
Celtic roller coaster – thanks for this. I wasn’t aware of previous ruling.
NATKNOW on 12TH JANUARY 2016 9:22 PM
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 12TH JANUARY 2016 8:56 PM
NatKnow @ 8.21
Good post – I agree.
Do you think Celtic are late to the debate? – or incapable?
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I think that Celtic PLC treat every issue in a corporate manner using corporate thinking. There’s little chance they will get involved in challenging Police Scotland on behalf of fans. Because they literally do not represent fans. They must act in the interest of the shareholders and business. “Fans” are simply customers by another name. “More than a club” is a marketing tag – not a moral position. All big business does charity – it’s a PR job.
So to answer, I don’t think they’re late or incapable – I think it’s a conscious choice by senior management that this is a matter for those individuals who get involved. Celtic are hoping that Police Scotland arrests will do the work for them and they can ban people who tarnish the brand. This is corporate-think that demonstrates a failure of understanding about what Celtic means to people. The Celtic community will be here even even when the football club isn’t. In the meantime, it’s a cash cow.
Which is why I say that the CSA and similar should make the challenge – because they purport to support the fans.
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quite accurately put, well done and cap doffed.
Natknow
Got the Celtic are a commercial aspect, and The Celtic Way is better than the terraces you and I stood on, we continue to flourish, maybe only in the East End?
I can see the customer conflict clearer than day, it’s a minority and Celtic haven’t even tried to speak (yet) let alone found the policy, never mind the speaker, with which to challenge.
We were customers minutes after Brother Walfrid incepted.
I disagree on increased sales. I think Celtic fans are too intelligent to be part of the ‘old firm line’ and we’ll tread water at best, in 2016.
Without the Celtic ‘ethos’, espoused here and elsewhere, if they’ve sold out thousands are out, admittedly I’m older, I’ve seen the Lions, Tommy Burns, and the McCann excellence,
I’m good , I’m happy but I’m older.
A Celtic fan somewhere will be given the gift of Celtic, corporate warts n all, but the Celtic voice has yet to be
found, never mind heard.
Neg
Not sure if I mentioned it b4 . but I went to school in Paisley at St Mirins and St Margarets and you could see Love Street from certain classrooms in the St Mirins building. We had a history lesson one day and in the middle of the lesson as the teacher was speaking he looked out the window and stopped talking about history and started worshipping Love Street out loud, calling it ” Ah, the Holy Ground!!!” and bowing down to it. Despite me being a Tim and a Second Year, he got my respect that day as I thought ” hey all adults aren’t p….s after all!”
Anyway off to bed. If you do get involved with HT and FAC, then I think you would be a fine asset.
HH
CRC
DD
Naw pal
Good night Timland
KTF
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 13TH JANUARY 2016 12:01 AM
Natknow
Got the Celtic are a commercial aspect, and The Celtic Way is better than the terraces you and I stood on, we continue to flourish, maybe only in the East End?
I can see the customer conflict clearer than day, it’s a minority and Celtic haven’t even tried to speak (yet) let alone found the policy, never mind the speaker, with which to challenge.
We were customers minutes after Brother Walfrid incepted.
I disagree on increased sales. I think Celtic fans are too intelligent to be part of the ‘old firm line’ and we’ll tread water at best, in 2016.
Without the Celtic ‘ethos’, espoused here and elsewhere, if they’ve sold out thousands are out, admittedly I’m older, I’ve seen the Lions, Tommy Burns, and the McCann excellence,
I’m good , I’m happy but I’m older.
A Celtic fan somewhere will be given the gift of Celtic, corporate warts n all, but the Celtic voice has yet to be found, never mind heard.
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Re: the stadium etc. I completely agree that it’s far better than it was when I was a kid. All paid for by fan/shareholders. As I say, it has to be run along some kind of commercial lines in order to work. So yes – we are customers as well as fans, shareholders, supporters, UFBs etc. I think that’s the bit Celtic actually do well.
It’s the other more cultural things that they seem unable to fully immerse themselves in. These aspects are used as marketing collateral at best. But for us fans it is these cultural aspects that are in fact the critical defining factors of our identities. Celtic are good at exploiting (not using that word pejoratively) that aspect of our identity – but not so good at fostering it and letting it flourish. There may be too many uncomfortable connotations there for them. I dunno.
Re: the Waking Dead – like you I have no crystal ball, it’s just my instinct that tells me that there will be plenty queuing up for tickets. There may be plenty who walk, but others will take their places. The “new breed” will be comfortable with the situation.
The Celtic voice may not be a single, unified voice. But take a look at the blog comments – was it ever? :-)
DD
Just saw your post from earlier.
HH G
SAINT STIVS on 13TH JANUARY 2016 12:00 AM
NATKNOW on 12TH JANUARY 2016 9:22 PM
quite accurately put, well done and cap doffed.
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Cheers dude.
link to mcaskell to jinty ? anyone ?
poor jinty, she knocked back tony donnelly and now he lives with his maw, aff the fags, inviting anyone to the brazen so he can punch them.
Gearoid
GNGB G
HH
God Bless the humble.
Down with all secretive orders. Feck the Sufi feckers.
Roshaniya
G’night
Just watched the entire proceedings from Scottish Parliament.
Congratulations to Jeanette F and Paul Q for an excellent presentation
A great piece of work.
However it was a a bit of an unequal fight , when going up against Kenny MacAskill.
Two brains against ……. none
Thanks for the link
The Onlooker
Natknow
Good posts, and yes just look at the internet
HH
Club partnerships will be the next big story in football ……
Celtic and Rangers for example.
Meet the New Firm same as the Old Firm.
Canny wait.
Of course the current custodians do not represent the fans they represent money.
The ethos was trashed along with Porthos and Aramis
Hi All,
Thanks to Almore and BMCUWPs for holding the fort.
A few short weeks until the big weekend in Dublin!!!
I’ll mail everyone who asked for tickets later today, just to confirm numbers etc.
If you don’t hear from me by tomorrow evening can you let me know if you get the chance?
The date is Saturday the 26th of March 2016, Craobh Chiarain, GAA Club, Parnell Park, Dublin 5.
Music by Celtic Storm.
Can anyone who hasn’t yet mailed, for tickets please contact us at;
dublin2016@mail.com.
Night All,
Clogher
Should East Kilbride prevail, their initial preference would be to keep the tie at their 500-capacity K-Park home. With that, however, unlikely to get the go-ahead from the Scottish Football Association on safety grounds, Mark Horner, the East Kilbride chairman, will push for the tie to be switched to Celtic Park to try to maximise their share of the gate receipts.
SFA guidelines state that a tie should be moved to the “nearest suitable stadium” in the event that a club’s home ground is declared unfit for purpose, with Hamilton Academical’s New Douglas Park the closest ground to East Kilbride. With Hamilton out of the cup courtesy of their shock defeat to Annan Athletic last weekend, their stadium will be free on the weekend of February 6 or 7.
East Kilbride, however, could cite precedent in their bid to move the tie to Celtic Park. In 2013 Albion Rovers moved their Scottish Cup tie against Motherwell to Hamilton rather than play it at neighbouring Airdrie, and did the same a year later when they took Rangers to a quarter-final replay. In neither instance did the SFA intervene.
“There is a liquidity crisis at Ibrox.
Events on the 15th and 18th of this month could bring matters to a head.
There is no more credit available.
A win against Kilmarnock aka Rangers FP in the Scottish Cup in February is mandatory.”
Mandatory?
No prizes for guessing exactly who is being warned here?
https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/collateralized-debt-obligations/