I watched a few cup games on TV over the weekend, including the Exeter City-Liverpool and Hearts-Aberdeen games. There was a huge juxtaposition between the two Liverpool goalkeepers on show, Adam Bogdan (28), who had a nightmare for Liverpool against Exeter, and loan-ee Danny Ward (22), who was Aberdeen’s top performer against Hearts.
Within a day Jurgen Klopp recalled Ward from Aberdeen, who I’m sure will now become first deputy at Anfield. Six months ago Ward was not part of first team plans at Liverpool, who wanted Bogdan to be deputy to Mignolet. Ward took his chance, played in Europe and became a fans’ favourite at Aberdeen.
Without this loan, I’m sure Ward’s profile at Liverpool would be well below its current level. This is a great example of why you put players out on loan. Players sitting in the stands, or playing youth or reserve football, will find it very difficult to progress.
The other aspect of Danny Ward’s Aberdeen experience is that he was hooked back home after a live TV game. With the sheer number of players out on loan, I often wonder how much scrutiny of their progress parent clubs are able to deploy. Especially if it’s Celtic sending a player to Norway. It’s hard to escape the conclusion that Ward’s performance being on TV at the critical moment when Liverpool were pondering their reserve keeper position had a bearing on his career development.
For some clubs, appropriate scrutiny of players out on loan will be practically impossible (Chelsea list 30 players on loan at the moment).
If we extrapolate the way large clubs harvest players, there’s a good possibility loan players will make up the bulk of transfer activity across football going forward. Teams like Aberdeen should be using their Danny Ward experience to demonstrate what a good place they are for English Premier League teams to send players. I know a couple of years back there was some apprehension that one Scottish club were making inroads into Newcastle United’s misfits, but some cunning campaigning put paid to that.
All clubs need to learn how to feed off the squads of others, while managing the development of their own talent, not yet ready for a place in the first team. Those who do this well will flourish. Club partnerships will be the next big story in football, they will change the balance of power. At the moment there is little discernible pattern to how and where clubs loan players. This will change as clubs try to replicate the experiences of Danny Ward and Jason Denayer. Partnering with others, both up and down the food-chain, looks like the biggest efficiency gain in the game today.
Delighted at the genuine anticipation ahead of our next Scottish Cup game, which will be against either East Kilbride or Lothian Thistle. It’s a great story for grassroots football, no matter if it’s played in the Lothians or Lanarkshire.
Anyone surprised that lot were hauled into court this week by someone else looking to be paid? What a way to run your business. We know how the story will end.
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Paul67
What happened to the Sevco WI FI money?
A big happy HOOPY BIRTHDAY to COSY COARNER BHOY. HH
And a big happy HOOPY BIRTHDAY to AWE NAW. HH
TBJ. I have no idea how many supporters feel like you and I but I am sure there will be quite a few.I can see no leadership coming from Celtic.The only small hope I have and it is small is that the court cases punish the cheats but they up to now seem immune. H.H.
Cosy Corner Bhoy,
Many Happy Returns
hail hail
@jamesdoleman tweeting that wifi company 810 asking court to ring fence £300k.
Judge to give decision on Friday.
Sevco legal bills soaring. I hope the lawyers are being paid up front.
THOMTHETHIM FOR OSCAR OK on 12TH JANUARY 2016 12:33 PM
Correct….and I’ve made my decision
I’ve just noticed that Neecastle are paying £12 million for jonjo shelvey! Who said Ashley was shrewd?
Decent middle of the road player – proof again of the lunacy in that league.
Auldheid on 12th January 2016 1:14 pm
As always, I agree with what you say.
Still, if the wigs delay a definitive resolution until after ST time, then individual decisions will be made, especially in the absence of any sign of justice and integrity being introduced, not restored, as it has never been there in the first place.
Celtic are in a conflicted position, being a football club, with an ethos which is out of kilter with today’s world and also a member of the corrupt Association who have rubber stamped every foul move of RFC and Sevco.
That is why RES 12 is the only effective weapon in the Justice armoury and has to be pursued.
There appears to be no appetite for the Celtic supporter organisations to seek a collaboration with other groups.
The bombarding every ground visited with antagonistic, aggressive anachronistic songs, never heard at any Irish sporting event, does nothing to forward any chance of a combined assault on the SFA, sadly.
bournesouprecipe
Paul67
What happened to the Sevco WI FI money?
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It’s in the cloud! You need to…you know…connect to the cloud to access it, or something…
AWE NAW
HAPPY HOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to you
I hope you got a half-season ticket and a spellchecker.
I can say that cos I know you still have your sense of humour.
HH. I’ll remember your birthday in future for obvious reasons.
Davido
Pay the WIFI bill or sign a couple of Accrington Galacticos? – we know how this will end
indeed MR 67
Craigellachie10 I agree no more than an ordinary player – for £12m! The economics of the madhouse. H H Hebcelt
Joe Filippis Haircut
We have seen anonymous bloggers be identified and threatened because of certain comments they made about the situation at Rangers/Sevco.
I don’t think its unreasonable that the club be very careful about what they say publicly.
Celtic were the main victim in all of this and to punish Celtic, whilst there are ongoing processes into the whole mess, would be ludicrous. If you’re going to chuck it anyway next season, why not now? Waiting until next season until newco appear?
Spare us the song and dance. Celtic have stated to fans groups there will be no ‘Old Firm’ pandering from them.
HH
bournesouprecipe
with the arrival of Daniel Cousin?
I was wondering why Waghorn was being declared the new Messi on BBC over the weekend. He’s for sale so it all makes sense! BBC is the Sevco shoap windae apparently..
Getting back to football issues – as I have said before, I am not at all convinced by Ronny and his backroom staff, however it would appear that he will be there for the duration of the season.
So I will support him and the squad as we move toward crunch-time on the campaign.
But we must make very good use of this current transfer window, both to unload the surplus and bring in a couple, notably in central defence and up front.
I believe that if we get in the right two, and ‘bed’ the squad down over the next six months, we may have a chance to approach CL qualifiers with a bit of confidence.
Will we ever get easier chances than we have had in the past two years?
From eminently winnable positions, the players and management contrived to ‘blow it’ – not the board, not Lawwell, not even Lord Livingston, or anyone else with a differing view to some of the SNP sheep, that regulary post here.
From James Doleman site, today’s court hearing.
A company in dispute with Rangers is asking for £300,000 to be arrested by a Sherriff as it is concerned the club might go bust, a court heard today.
Counsel for 802 Works Ltd, which is currently suing for what it claims are unpaid bills relating to the installation of a WiFi system at Ibrox, told the court that no company can “sustain a loss of £7m-£8m per annum indefinitely,” and claimed that Rangers could go into liquidation before their claim for the cash was decided, which would not be until 2017.
However the advocate representing the club, Mr Wilson, told the court there was “no prospect of insolvency,” and presented financial figures from June to December 2015 which he said showed that the clubs trading position had “improved dramatically in the last 6 months.” He also stated that the Ibrox club had not paid the £300k bill as the WiFi system had “never reached the level agreed,” adding that the Club’s position was that 802 Works was “not entitled to payment until the issue was resolved.
Responding for the pursuers solicitor advocate Simon Catto presented the agreement between the club and 802 Works which said the capacity agreed for the stadium WiFi was 10,000 users at any one time as there was no assumption that everyone in the football ground would be online at the same time. He also told the court that the system had ceased to work in November not because of any action by his client, but instead because the internet service provider, Virgin Media were not being paid. “There was no notice of problems until payment was asked for,” he added.
Mr Wilson, for RFC closed his case by noting the £300k represented only 2% of Rangers’ annual turnover and the club were disputing the bill as “what was specified was not what was delivered.” Catto responded that while the club had £47M in assets, consisting of the stadium, training ground, brand and players “none of that can be turned into cash,” while the business was still operating.
Sheriff Miller ended the hearing by thanking both advocates for their submissions and said he would deliver a judgment on Friday morning (15 January)
Court then rose.
Joe Fillipi
Since we are all still here the guy with the billboard is wrong :)
If TRFC are not in the SPFL Premier next season it will be because they either went bust or are not good enough to get promoted.
There is nothing Celtic can do to stop that nor can the SFA/SPFL.
What we the supporters can do is to remove the culture that created this situation, a culture BTW that Celtic are as unhappy about as we are, but is highly resistiant to change.
If you read my post I put a condition in. It’s a matter of awareness. Only the risk of prejudicing current cases is keeping the lid on.
For example two of the indictments link directly to Res12. This was unknown until the court appearance the other week.
Funnily enough these indictments were not included in the charges CW faced by the SFA when their Judicial Panel reported in April 2012 round about the same time documents relating to the indictment were kept from SPL lawyers who advised SPL on the commissioning of LNS. This realisation only surfaced for me when I read the indictments and checked back on the JP report. That realisation will gradually spread through social media.
There is a science fiction series of short stories by Bob Shaw called Other Days Other Eyes in which a material called Slow Glass was the common link.
Slow Glass slowed down the light passing through it.
If an event was viewed through a slow glass window 5 hours thick what happened 5 hours ago only emerged 5 hours later. If 5 years thick a say murder in front of slow glass could be viewed 5 years later as if it were happening in the now.
In social media and the ability to share and check we have the equivalent of slow glass and by this time next year we will be able to see if Scottish football was verbally abused, assaulted or murdered and who did it.
How Scottish society deals with murder of the fabric of that society will either heal or pull it apart. When at Hollyrood last week what happened at Rangers was highlighted at the top table. Transparency and accountability was the cure suggested. That it came from someone viewed as a mason but who cares about football is indicative of the realisation that things must change. It was part of The Fans Manifesto because it’s not just Celtic fans who are refusing to accept what you fear, the return of a club unbridled by rules.
Fred Quimby you don’t do irony do you? Every team, group, political party has their fair share of “sheep”, quite a few post on here. H H Hebcelt
Davido
Ha – The Celtic WI FI network should be called This LAN is My LAN.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 12TH JANUARY 2016 2:11 PM
Davido
Ha – The Celtic WI FI network should be called This LAN is My LAN.
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Haha! Nice WAN…
Natknow
Ha – Sevco even ‘cheating on the WiFi’
Lucky Mr. Waghorn…….most players only have one agent ,he has a whole broadcasting corporation bumming up his value.
As for any of our potential loan dealings in this window, I hope the board back Ronny in his wish that there should be an option to buy attached.
Tom the Tim
Given that one Celtic supporter association has distanced itself from stupidity and that part of the Fans Manifesto goes some way to giving supporters a voice, I think we should not let the actions of unrepresentative groups blind us to the wider political picture.
In fact I got an email yesterday from the CST about consultation on an initiative by the Green Party MSP Alison Johnstone about supporter involvement in football clubs so at a representative level it’s heading in the right direction although lots of water still to flow under the bridge.
The issue isn’t the trading position at December 2015, it’s the cashflow over the following 6 months thats the issue. They’re nearly out of cash and every creditor knows it
Fred Quimby
From last article
Sorry for late reply mate , at work .
We don’t agree on the performance of our board but it was a pleasure to discuss the subject with you without any name calling or fallout.
HH
The exiled Tim
That’s me back from the shops, any news for me?
Link for FAC presentation to Scottish Parliament today, 26 min 35 secs in
http://www.scottishparliament.tv/Archive/Index/2880dbca-1e4b-4968-b5b9-520f300064fb?Area=&categoryId=189715c0-0c90-4d28-8959-671c38febcc6&parentCategoryClicked=False&pageNumber=0&orderByField=PlayCount&queryOrder=ASC
In fact I got an email yesterday from the CST about consultation on an initiative by the Green Party MSP Alison Johnstone about supporter involvement in football clubs so at a representative level it’s heading in the right direction alt
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/club-partnerships-will-be-the-next-big-story-in-football/comment-page-2/#comment-2752437
Not that old chestnut again, Whois the front runner, Canamalar ? Or the uni teacher Jeanette ?
Sorry it starts just after 2 mins
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 12TH JANUARY 2016 2:21 PM
Lucky Mr. Waghorn…….most players only have one agent ,he has a whole broadcasting corporation bumming up his value.
As for any of our potential loan dealings in this window, I hope the board back Ronny in his wish that there should be an option to buy attached.
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Really funny. All season the Sevconians at work have been busting to tell me how amazing this guys is. I mentioned his name earlier today to them. Everyone of them mute, until one says “Aye, he’s no bad but I wouldn’t want to rely on him in the SPFL”! Whit??? Britain’s Top Scorer?????
Think they might have a wee sniff of a story that he’s for the off…??? :-))))))))
I’m not convinced that Celtic need or should buy anybody in this window. I am only interested in buying players for next season.
For example, the Serb playing for Eibar on loan from Villareal sounds like the right type of player for us. I’d be happy to have a pre-contract agreement signed. Unfortunately, Eibar have a 12 month loan agreement so we would have no hope of getting him now.
What? Where did the interweb war chest wifi go? It’s no wurkin, honest guv!
Personally, I’d prefer a partnership with a team from Spain, or Germany, no doon sooth- their football is mince.
Happy Birthday Awe_Naw
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 12TH JANUARY 2016 2:17 PM
Natknow
Ha – Sevco even ‘cheating on the WiFi’
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It’s wot they do…!
Is Jason Cummings actually any good?
GG on 12TH JANUARY 2016 1:27 PM
Auldheid
If you continue to come up against these obstacles,
PUBLISH AND BE DAMNED
The local guys can move the CQN corner to the BarL on a Saturday lunch time.
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I doubt anything published on a blog would become anything other than the talk of the steamie for a few pages or few days.
However up to 60 shareholders/supporters who asked have a narrative backed with evidence but were asked to sit on it because of the court cases.
I’m hoping to update that narrative as a result of meetings last week and once done the mechanism to put the story to a wider support without going public exists.
I spoke to a supporter who has that narrative and asked how many he could forward it to. Up to ten he thought. And if that 10 can forward it to another 10 and so on how many more will become aware?
That course of action may not be required depending on what happens next but one way or another, unless something emerges to disprove the narrative it can be delivered if required.
celtic40me on 12th January 2016 2:22 pm
And it should be noted that they explicitly stated in the accounts that future cash requirements were based on player sales this window.
I can’t remember if the word ‘modest’ was used in relation to the amount needed from sales but it was undefined and leaves a big ? as to what’s really needed. More than £2.5M anyway.