I received updates direct from last week’s Scottish Football League meeting shortly after it concluded. My information was that Neil Doncaster in particular was given a torrid time and that the mood among clubs was firmly against agreeing to place Sevco into the First Division.
Within a couple of hours it was clear that many in the media had been given a different impression and that if the vote was taken then, a ‘healthy majority would vote in favour’. To a degree I think we are all susceptible to messages we want to hear but it has been a feature of this debacle that executives from the national bodies have given clear guidance to the media that ‘Newco’ would be voted into the SPL, as it was, or now into the First Division.
On more than one occasion I’ve heard “You might have heard different, but Neil Doncaster told me….”
There is no shortcut for legwork and attention to detail. On this subject, credit to STV, who present informed information on how Friday’s vote is likely to pan out, with references. Of the 30 clubs in the SFL, the report 14 have declared an intention to vote against plans to plant Sevco into the First Division, one will abstain and one has (incorrectly) been told they are ineligible to vote. Another 14 are yet to declare.
It seems likely that the SFL vote will go the way of the SPL vote. There is a desire to retain the sporting element to our game among clubs, if not among administrators.
In a statement yesterday Clyde FC nailed several of the myths behind threats made to SFL clubs:
“We have obtained a copy of the Settlement Agreement signed up to by the SPL and the SFL in April 1998 – it is clear that the agreement is not ambiguous in this regard and there is no scope for the SPL to fail to meet the obligations to the SFL except by deliberately breaching the agreement… We have concluded that it defies credibility that the SPL clubs would instruct the SPL to deliberately breach a legal agreement.
“The matter is made worse because of the extent of uncertainty which hangs over Sevco. There is no need to prepare an exhaustive list of the issues as they are well publicised, however the extent of outstanding sanctions that may or may not be levied against a club which has yet to obtain SFA membership, together with the increasing number of possible commercial and legal challenges to the transactions to date simply presents a significant risk to the ability of the club to fulfil its fixtures in any league. Given that some of these matters are in the hands of the governing bodies it seems inexplicable that they are left hanging.”
In short, the Scottish Football League has a binding contract with the SLP which they are entitled to enforce. Clyde also refer on the matter we have discussed here for many weeks, Sevco are trying to buy a SFA membership which has significant outstanding disciplinary issues against it which could see the membership suspended. Instead of providing clarity, the SPL and SFA have refused to set deadlines of proceed with hearings.
We can speculate if SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan, will inform SFL clubs in person on Friday of plans to disband judicial oversight from our game instead of asking Lord Carloway’s panel to reconvene.
Despite the valiant efforts of many football fans and clubs, our game has been ruined by years of destructive, self-serving, leadership.
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Paul 67
What is driving Doncaster and Regan to go to such lengths to protect and assist Newco
Is it there own bonus payments ?
Are they being influenced by others ?
Are they doing what the other SPL clubs want ?
President Jim Ballantyne says Scottish Football League clubs will receive information about potential structural changes on Wednesday
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18795597?
Moonbeams WD
Ta for that. Was very worried when I read his dads update last night. He’s a wee soul but a big big soldier!! God bless him.
From Garngad to Croy I am Neil Lennon. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:23 said:
Paul67
Could the SFA be delaying the Judicial hearings in case Fridays vote goes against them ? They then instruct the Judicial panel to punish Rangers by relegating them retrospectively ( i don’t see rangers appealing that)
I was going to ask how the hell they could do that but in this bigoted backwater anythings possible.
Hector Avocado
Ballantyne is in a bigger conflict of interest situation than Ogilvie
They just don’t get fair play , integrity and honesty
Pipe lit. Slippers on. Feet up.
Staying calm and collected.
Just enjoying the show so far.
Weekend of the 4th/5th of August will say it all. Just smiling and waiting.
MWD
VertWolf on 11 July, 2012 at 12:07 said:
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) on 11 July, 2012 at 12:20 said:
I’m sure they are both utterly incompetent but to me that doesn’t explain why they’re so desperate to get Sevco back into SFL1or SPL. They’re making a right royal ballsup of it, but why do they want it so much in the first place?
So here’s tae the lads who hail from the Garngads
cos pretty soon that orange crew we’ll master
so get on yer knees and pray it’s the anniversary
of the hampden massacre ya bluenose barstewards.
Just thought i’d share that
HH
Rangers(IL) Shareholders. Presidents of the Governing Bodies.
Any other organisation – on failing to register conflict of interests – when your the top man. Your gone.
In The Wee Protestant Country you get promoted.
Asonofdan
I have every faith that BDO will rescind the sale from D&P to Charlie and the Hun factory.
The club formerly known as Rangers WILL NOT be playing football in any capacity this coming season.
You would think those in control of our game would assess that scenario as a likely outcome and have a contingency in place.
e.g. examining the possibility of SPL tv, restructuring the game for the benefit of all EXISTING clubs, developing a play off system at the foot of all leagues to encourage more interest and support or even DECIDING WHO THE F&@$ CLUB 12 IS or even allowing Dunfermline and Dundee to have a ‘play off’ game to see who gets into SPL, loser keeps the Hampden gate money, after costs.
Oh for radical thinking from those at the top of our game charged with its good governance!
Just back from lunch, nice walk around Belfast city centre.
Loads of hooded guys from the Cowdenbeath Defenders walking about. Looked like a bunch of scumbags.
SffS
Magnificent “article” from FF. Telling it like it is. Love the bit about handouts from the public purse:
‘Harold McMillan, in answer to a question about why governments sometimes lose their way, is reputed to have said: “Events, dear boy. Events”.
One event in 2012 has changed the course of Scottish football forever, and the governance of the national game has been found to be incompetent, corrupt, dishonest and dictatorial.
The event of the liquidation of Rangers Football Club has been the most cataclysmic occurrence – apart from the Ibrox Disaster – in the history of Scottish football, but this calamity has served to provide a meaningful glimpse into the integrity of the football authorities, and of the character of modern-day Scotland.
Just as two major Scottish banks collapsed in a heap, requiring to be propped up by the general populace, the towering edifice that is Rangers FC has come tumbling down: another pillar of Scottish life turned to dust.
For Rangers though, there have been no handouts from the public purse. There has been no sympathy either, but this dreadful event has been uniquely revealing – not for the recklessness of the club in digging itself into a financial black hole – but for providing a remarkable insight into the vindictive nature of hundreds of thousands of Scots.
Educated men and women have seized the moment to trample Rangers underfoot, and the thin veneer of civilisation that enables society to function properly is slowly being scratched away.
Not even the world-class BBC can be trusted to report on Rangers in an even-handed manner in Scotland. The hypocrisy from its northern operation has made it the BBC’s weakest link. Journalist integrity is as thin in the ground here as sporting integrity is at the SFA.
For Rangers supporters, this has been a hellish journey, but while the club has been financially incompetent, it hasn’t been found guilty of any war crimes. To strangers in these parts, this will come as a shock.
Hatred dressed up as moralising can be seen in the oft-quoted ‘sporting integrity’ motivation for punishing the club. Instead of relegating Rangers to the lowest league possible, as any other club would have been after a liquidation event, hypocritical SPL club chairmen – and the head of the SFA – want to drop Rangers just one tier: to save their own skins.
They are happy to temporarily maim the club, because if they demote it three divisions, as they should, a financial crisis will engulf Scottish football and finish off several leading clubs.
For sporting integrity, read hypocrisy, self-interest and lies. We are now in the midst of a civil war in Scottish football and the game will probably never fully recover, and frankly, it doesn’t deserve to.
Essentially, it would seem that there are two groups of fans in the Scottish game; Rangers supporters and a coaltion of Rangers-haters, and many of the haters care as much for their own clubs as Alex Salmond does for the Conservative Party.
As far as these people are concerned, a few clubs being lost along the way is a price worth paying: just as long as Rangers is beaten to a pulp.
This is 21st century Scotland; the same Scotland that wants to be a nation again, and yet it is ridden with prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, hate and distrust.
The Rangers debacle has shone a light on Scotland and penetrated those areas that have for too long been hidden from public gaze. Scotland is not an enlightened place; it is an embittered and small-minded society, defined by jealousy, envy, and a virulent hatred of its own sons for having an aspiration to be the best they can be.
Frankly, Scotland doesn’t deserve Rangers any more.’
Hector Avocado. Silence is tacit consent. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:37 said:
Why don’t you write in Scotland you get promoted, there are many who post on here and who support and play for Celtic who are Protestant so why don’t you chuck it with the Protestant digs??
This is not about religion this is Celtic…
Thank heaven for Internet Bampots, Mr Turnbull & Clyde FC.
HH
Monaghan1900 on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
R@ngers………..VICTIMS?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Paul 67
Good focus for the article. The sights and crosshairs have moved from RFC (IA) and the SPL to the SFL and the SFA (Doncaster is a dead man walking).
It looks like the poor and bereft wee clubs of Scotland are still in possession of large quantities of integrity and haw maws. at 14:2 with 14 to declare the chances of a Div 1 landing are starting to fade.
So the saving of Scottish Football looks likely to have been secured by the fans and the wee clubs, rather than the highly paid executives and governing bodies.
I’m now hoping that the ‘cleansing’ of the SFA follows as a direct result of this. This is a job needing done in stages. Be clear, if a cleansing doesn’t happen then we will all have failed since, as we have witnessed, the governing body has abjectly failed in that function and will continue to do so in the future.
I’m looking forward to more pressure being applied once the SFL redoubt has been secured and we advance on those who have brought us to this carnage.
Will Chuckie take a Div 3 slot or will he chuckie it?
HH
Paul67
Did I miss it or have the SFA not punished Greens sevco and/ or the other liquidated team for thems taking an appeal to the law courts.
When will the SFA do their job?
Perhaps Scottish football (Clubs and supporters) should call for the SFA to be disbanded for a failure to act in accordance with Uefa rules and for being complicit in the dirty behind closed door agreements with Greens Sevco organisation (non football club).
Disband the SFA.
Sparkleghirl…
How you dooin? ;-)
Monaghan1900 on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
Frankly, Scotland doesn’t deserve Rangers any more
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I concur!
what did scotland do wrong in the first place to deserve rangers?
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Will Chuckie take a Div 3 slot or will he chuckie it?
as the wee parrot from the southside says
taxi for govan road
green will be off if they are in division 3 IMHO
jam67
starry plough on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
Hector Avocado. Silence is tacit consent. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:37 said:
Why don’t you write in Scotland you get promoted, there are many who post on here and who support and play for Celtic who are Protestant so why don’t you chuck it with the Protestant digs??
This is not about religion this is Celtic…
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But Scotland is a Protestant country. A statistical fact. The bolstering of everything rangers and the attrition against Celtic over the past 125 years is as a direct and ongoing fact of Irish Catholicism in a country of Protestant religion.
Wake up.
FourGreenFields on 11 July, 2012 at 12:30 said:
From Garngad to Croy I am Neil Lennon. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:23 said:
Paul67
Could the SFA be delaying the Judicial hearings in case Fridays vote goes against them ? They then instruct the Judicial panel to punish Rangers by relegating them retrospectively
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except that the CoS demands a punishment from the book as written down. The only 2 left written down are suspension of membership and expulsion.
Expulsion would be ideal for us but not for Regan so he won’t want to go there.
Is suspension an option? That would fit with a ‘year out’ strategy.
The RFC 1872 membership is suspended for a year. This keeps it ‘alive’.
A N Other is invited in on a ‘temporary’ 12 month membership to replace the suspended one.
Then in 12 months, it’s back over to Chuckie asking for a ‘transfer’ of the ‘suspended’ membership.
Could work for the enemy?
That’s why we need to nail the SFA next. So that we put an end to the shenanigans and corruption and put all this to bed.
HH
Monaghan
Is that a P- take
Had to be
If not they just don’t get it
However they do know a thing or two about prejudice , bigotry etc
Moonbeams relax’s with Man’s best friend (not beer)
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Row z
Agree with you’re post but would like to see other prospective SFL applicants having an opportunity along with the new Green team organisation.
HH
Monaghan1900 on 11 July, 2012 at 12:41 said:
Magnificent “article” from FF. Telling it like it is. Love the bit about handouts from the public purse:
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That must be the work of a master Timterloper. The prose far exceeds anything posted by the common variety of Hundead. The mischievous humour is simply brilliant. It is just a pity that the knuckle draggers will actually miss the point.
Hector Avocado. Silence is tacit consent. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:51 said:
And you smearing every member of the Protestant religion in Scotland with the same brush is helping is it?
Including the employees and supporters of our fine club who have tried to tread a different path..
And you ask me to wake up…
try again :o(
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Jim Ballantyne is a loyalist hun f$%&
His inbred hatred of all things Irish (southern) Catholic and defacto Celtic override any sense of fairness or even just good old common sense.
It’s funny how their hatred of the club is purely down to their misheld belief that we are a ‘Catholic’ club when in actual fact the vast majority of our support is NON catholic.
Ignorance is dangerous!
Peat out Ballantyne in ffs? And they ranted on up there when they accused Monklands District Council of jobs for the Bhoys and nepotism!! Ok I got ma brother and 2 sisters, 5 cousins, and ma wives maw and da jobs. But it was all done above board in the pub!! <o))))
Ps and the ghuy across the road.
Forget it ,wizny that funny.
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) on 11 July, 2012 at 12:40 said:
I have every faith that BDO will rescind the sale from D&P to Charlie and the Hun factory.
I hope so too. But it has been suggested that this needs to be pushed through on Friday before BD take over, in order to pressure them not to rescind the sale and provoke some kind of nuclear winter in scotland.
starry plough on 11 July, 2012 at 12:55 said:
Hector Avocado. Silence is tacit consent. on 11 July, 2012 at 12:51 said:
And you smearing every member of the Protestant religion in Scotland with the same brush is helping is it?
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Er, no.
You are. I am only saying that bigotry and prejudice are rampant and alive in the corridors of power in Scotland as a direct result of the irish catholic Diaspora in Scotland.
You have decided that I have besmirched all Protestants.
I did nothing of the thing. Review my posts, friend.
Alas, the facts remain, that it is that which we are up against.
They had EBTs along with Dual contracts that enabled them to buy and pay for players that they couldn’t really afford
They didn’t pay income tax or vat that enabled them to buy and pay for players that they couldn’t really afford
They won trophies and titles that they may not have otherwise have won. A lot of other teams in European and domestic competitions have suffered financially because of this.
They therefore incurred tax debt that they couldn’t pay so they just folded and attempted to start again unpunished (except for 10 penalty points last season)
Morally and financially bankrupt
Sevco have not had a single punishment. Fact. Sevco were never thrown out of the SPL because they were never in it, to begin with.
Old huns took the SFA to court and faced no penalties for that.
Oldco/sevco players left because they couldn’t afford to pay them
The loss of taxes mean that every man woman and child in Scotland/UK will need to make up the defecit, or potentially thousands of jobs or public services will be lost. But neither old huns nor sevco have made anyone redundant yet.
How is it that they are the victims again?
oglach on 11 July, 2012 at 12:55 said:
Not only missing the point but lapping it up and vowing to follow the OP wherever he chooses to lead them!
HH
I’d love to be a fly on the wall of that crazy horse from follow follow.
Just watching his 2 working brain cells attempting to collide as they float around its cranium in an attempt to form a cohesive intelligent view must be great fun.
MWD