I received updates direct from last week’s Scottish Football League meeting shortly after it concluded. My information was that Neil Doncaster in particular was given a torrid time and that the mood among clubs was firmly against agreeing to place Sevco into the First Division.
Within a couple of hours it was clear that many in the media had been given a different impression and that if the vote was taken then, a ‘healthy majority would vote in favour’. To a degree I think we are all susceptible to messages we want to hear but it has been a feature of this debacle that executives from the national bodies have given clear guidance to the media that ‘Newco’ would be voted into the SPL, as it was, or now into the First Division.
On more than one occasion I’ve heard “You might have heard different, but Neil Doncaster told me….”
There is no shortcut for legwork and attention to detail. On this subject, credit to STV, who present informed information on how Friday’s vote is likely to pan out, with references. Of the 30 clubs in the SFL, the report 14 have declared an intention to vote against plans to plant Sevco into the First Division, one will abstain and one has (incorrectly) been told they are ineligible to vote. Another 14 are yet to declare.
It seems likely that the SFL vote will go the way of the SPL vote. There is a desire to retain the sporting element to our game among clubs, if not among administrators.
In a statement yesterday Clyde FC nailed several of the myths behind threats made to SFL clubs:
“We have obtained a copy of the Settlement Agreement signed up to by the SPL and the SFL in April 1998 – it is clear that the agreement is not ambiguous in this regard and there is no scope for the SPL to fail to meet the obligations to the SFL except by deliberately breaching the agreement… We have concluded that it defies credibility that the SPL clubs would instruct the SPL to deliberately breach a legal agreement.
“The matter is made worse because of the extent of uncertainty which hangs over Sevco. There is no need to prepare an exhaustive list of the issues as they are well publicised, however the extent of outstanding sanctions that may or may not be levied against a club which has yet to obtain SFA membership, together with the increasing number of possible commercial and legal challenges to the transactions to date simply presents a significant risk to the ability of the club to fulfil its fixtures in any league. Given that some of these matters are in the hands of the governing bodies it seems inexplicable that they are left hanging.”
In short, the Scottish Football League has a binding contract with the SLP which they are entitled to enforce. Clyde also refer on the matter we have discussed here for many weeks, Sevco are trying to buy a SFA membership which has significant outstanding disciplinary issues against it which could see the membership suspended. Instead of providing clarity, the SPL and SFA have refused to set deadlines of proceed with hearings.
We can speculate if SFA chief exec, Stewart Regan, will inform SFL clubs in person on Friday of plans to disband judicial oversight from our game instead of asking Lord Carloway’s panel to reconvene.
Despite the valiant efforts of many football fans and clubs, our game has been ruined by years of destructive, self-serving, leadership.
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Reading a Richard Branson book at the moment – couldn’t help thinking about the difference between his business acumen and Watty Smith’s.
Richard Branson – I want to buy your business, it’s my life’s ambition to own it. How about $6m. No? OK what do you want, I’m determined to get this business. $7m. No? OK I’m not giving up my dream for a couple of million how about $8m? … etc. etc.
Watty Smith – Can I buy your business for $6m. No? OK bye then.
@SunnyBhoy
Selfishly, I’ll vote in favor of your Celtic to the MSL “proposal.”
Rangers: SFL clubs hear proposal for top tier of 14 clubs
By Brian McLauchlin
BBC Scotland
Comments (9)
Proposals put forward to Scottish Football League clubs include a new top tier division of 14 clubs for the season 2013-14.
This would see three promotion slots for Division One clubs, with one club still being relegated from the top flight.
SFL clubs will vote on Friday whether to admit the Rangers newco into Division One or Three.
Many clubs have indicated their desire to see Rangers enter Division Three.
Rangers crisis explained
Rangers went into administration owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors and will eventually be liquidated.
As a result its registrations with the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League were terminated.
Charles Green led a consortium which bought Rangers’ assets for £5.5m.
The former Sheffield United chief executive is reforming Rangers as a new company.
But the ‘newco’ did not get the required votes for re-admittance to the SPL.
Instead the new Rangers could start life in Scottish Division One or Three.
President Jim Ballantyne said SFL clubs would receive information over potential structural changes ahead of Friday’s vote on Rangers.
Meanwhile, BBC Scotland has learned a final decision on which club should replace the old Rangers in the Scottish Premier League is unlikely to take place before Monday.
The proposal for Rangers starting the coming season in the second tier of the senior leagues suggested that Dundee – runners-up in last term’s First Division – be promoted and that the SPL and SFL should eventually merge.
However, Dunfermline, who were relegated from the SPL last season, feel they should be back in the top flight for season 2012-13.
And SFL clubs feel they would be under-represented in a merger with the SPL.
The issue of where to place Rangers originated when the club could not be saved from liquidation and was relaunched by a new company.
The newco had their application to replace the old Rangers in the SPL rejected and then applied to the SFL, adding they would enter whichever league the organisation deemed fit.
Berwick Rangers are the latest in a series of SFL clubs to go public with their view that the new Rangers should begin in Division Three.
But SFA chief executive Stewart Regan fears not putting Rangers into Division One would have a negative financial impact on all clubs.
There is a headstone in the Linn Cemetery which states under the departed’s name :-
He could eat burnt toast
And sleep with the light out.
Another one declares that the deceased :-
Fell Asleep.
What a shock she got when she woke up.
Apologies if those mentioned are connected to anyone here.
SunnyBhoy on 11 July, 2012 at 14:24 said:
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yes m8 i put my vote in ;-)
A klog tzu meineh sonim!
– a useful phrase for ole Pantolonio
DBBIA/Rabbi Lionel Green CSC
Tennessee Tim on 11 July, 2012 at 14:43 said:
I know we’re talking about the biggest IF ever, but how do you think the idea would go down in America?
3 to be promoted . ?..
There’s an inducement to abandon integrity.
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http://www.brisbanersc.com/component/poll/48-who-is-your-preferred-new-owner-of-rangers.html
If the league really needs reform, why settle for 14 teams?
The league DOES need restructuring, but it needs to be done properly and for the right motives – not some half@rsed measure just to give Sevco the best chance of getting out at the first attempt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU2k1myJhrA
Listen to this from 3:27 onwards
From where Dermot Desmond says “my ambition for Celtic is …….”
Quite simply if Sevco gain direct entry into SFL1 and Celtic have turned a blind eye to this proposition then Dermot Desmond has to come clean.
Hail Hail
Augsburg V Celtic
Thanks to @MattMcGlone9 for link. Strange seeing the black socks. At least we won’t be wearing black armbands.
•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 11 July, 2012 at 14:56 said:
Mind you it is a massive big GIRFUY to John Yorkston
Think he hasn´t been paying his lodge fees
HAil HAil
The black socks are way off the mark !!!!!!!!
YUKKY YUKK YUKK
Hail Hail
A lung un leber oyf der noz!
– a useful phrase for ole DBBIA
Paidraig Marley on 11 July, 2012 at 14:55 said:
Right that’s 4 dodgy votes in the last 10 minutes – I’ll not have my fellow Brisbanites have the michael fish taken out of them…
… oh OK on you go!
“If Celtic had not unnecessarily distracted us with their silly black socks I feel we could have went on and won the game. This is only a friendly there really is no need for such psychological warfare in pre season” – Augsburg FC coach
HAil Hail
Well…
Today brings another to the Celtic family.
My daughter was born @ 11:15, a healthy 3.8kg (8lbs 5oz for those of an old schoolian nature)
Mum & baby doing super good.
Dad bursting with pride, as he was at the birth of his first son & daughter.
I love Celtic.
I adore my family.
I was back in Scotland for the first time in 5 years at the end of last year, aided by CQN, and I attended 2 matches, one with with wife & son (he was more excited about his engraved brick, in truth… so was his dad!).
Ayrshire huns xmas eve = 2-0.
And with my old man, defunct ex parrot fc game = 1-0.
TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
I think my family are good for Celtic park.
Only last night, with my wife’s father – down from Hokkaido to help out with the day to day, my kids & I were singing Celtic songs in the curry house, much to my non-speaking in-law’s amusement. “COME ON YOU BOYS IN GREEN… ”
As a new season approaches, with many unknowns ahead… some things are solid, steady, unflinching, forever, deep & bonding.
The love & commitment to my family comes second to nothing.
My love of Celtic, its ethos, origins & the Celtic family attaches naturally.
Bring on the future
tbdJ
@SunnyBhoy
Personally, I think it would be awesome, and the MSL would consider it a major coup. I could see the games against Seattle, Portland, LA, Columbus, New England and New York being huge draws.
Logistically it would never work, but it’s fun to dream. I think it will be interesting to see what Barry Robson thinks of the quality of play as he gets more up to speed with Vancouver.
The 3 promotions are pathetic,2 plus sevco.
How long will it be after sevco come up that the sfa want to drop a promotion place?
SunnyBhoy on 11 July, 2012 at 14:57 said:
Augsburg V Celtic
Thanks to @MattMcGlone9 for link. Strange seeing the black socks. At least we won’t be wearing black armbands.
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was willing to give the socks a chance, but as a great advert usde to say
“their boggin”
the smaller Hoops though, when not tucked into the shorts, are top class.
The new jersey is worn with white shorts with the Celtic knot-work detail printed on the side panels and with black socks with a green and white hoop, again to underline the Club’s heritage.
Sparkleghirl
A 14 team top division would be the best solution I believe.
Bringing any more in means you’re effectively taking mid table teams from the first division where quality/stadia become an issue but moreover, a 14 team league gives an oppurtunity to split after 26 games, giving the top 6 a further 10 games and the bottom eight a further 14 games. And less divvying up of the TV money compared to a 16.
The issue is why is this being done simply to help Rangers? Football at the top level has been stale for a number of years but many clubs(Celtic included) still seem to have a slight preference for a league of 10. The fans are bored with it.
If the lower leagues in England can have 24 teams I’m sure we can a 14 team SPL and make it viable. Not though, if its being implemented for the benefit of one team.
HH
SunnyBhoy on 11 July, 2012 at 13:47 said:
OK, how about this if everything goes belly up in Scotland …
That’s a wonderful crazy idea I’ve thought about previously. I’m sure the Americans would go for it. I’ve not been to many away games in recent years but I’d pencil in a few over the season for this. Of course there’d be a few obstacles to overcome, not least being the travel for the team, however it takes around five hours for an East coast US team to travel to the West coast anyway for the US teams. What a way to break into a massive TV market and also expand the fan base. I’m for it.
The 3 spots for promotion is the SFA equivalent of a Wullie the Collum ‘blind- eye-penalty’……….it’s a wee insurer for the defunct klub.
There are often far-fetched things posted on this blog, and I have been know to pass a comment or two on them … so perhaps you can imagine my surprise when I receive a phone call that more or less bears one of them out … I’m amazed that I’m still amazed by the twists and turns in this story … expect more, probably on Friday
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby on 11 July, 2012 at 15:04 said:
How long will it be after sevco come up that the sfa want to drop a promotion place?
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I wish you’d stop asking such tough questions ;)
Green’s business Sevco Scotland Ltd paid £1.5m for heritable properties
and this was the best deal that Duff & Phelps could muster after almost 4 months ???
My hoose … which remains open …. is worth more than Ibrox, Sir David Murray Park and the Albion car park …. which we all know has oil underneath it … put together.
Question: Apart from Duff & Phelps has anybody managed to complete any kind of transaction with Chuck Greens Sevco ?
Hail Hail
Azoy vert dos kichel tzekrochen!
Congratulations to bhoydaveJapan on his great news, may God bless and protect your family.
How funny if sevco fc finished 4th in season 13/14 thus missing the 3 promotional places :-)
Chapelhall shamrock csc
Mazel Tov !
traditionalist88 on 11 July, 2012 at 15:07 said:
I hate the split.
Out of curiosity, how many other leagues in the world operate on a split basis? I’m bettng that none of the good ones.
About the graveston epitaphs,
Music is sometimes mentioned on this site, and people that like 60’s music will no doubt know the small faces. If you have ever seen the small faces on ” Colour me pop” on youtube or listened to ogdens nut gone flake, you would know the voice of Stanley Unwin, speaking gobbledegook. Well the below info is from Wiki.
Stanley Unwin died in 2002 in Daventry. He is buried in the churchyard at Long Buckby, with Frances, who died before him. Their gravestone has the epitaph, “Reunitey in the heavenly-bode – Deep Joy”. A service of thanksgiving was held at St Lawrence’s Church in Long Buckby a couple of weeks after his death and ended with a rendering of “Bye, Bye, Blackbird” by John Percival and friends.
The valediction had been prepared by Unwin himself: “Goodly Byelode loyal peeploders! Now all gatherymost to amuse it and have a tilty elbow or a nice cuffle-oteedee – Oh Yes!”
O.G.Rafferty on 11 July, 2012 at 15:07 said:
Yes it’s easy to forget that there’s a lot more that will either come out or be foolishly (and temporarily) swept under the carpet. Big tax case, dual contracts, Graeme Souness, MSM involvement, SFA/Doncaster shenanigans, number of Scottish directors with Rangers shares, dodgy transfers – and I’m sure that’s just for starters.
thebhoydaveJAPAN
Congratulations buddy !!! Excellent news .
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thebhoydaveJAPAN on 11 July, 2012 at 15:03 said:
Congratulations to you and the girls!