I am not a great believer in conspiracy theories because conspiracies are very difficult to maintain. If two or three people know about what you are up to, you have a chance of keeping a lid on it, if the number rises to 20 or 30, your conspiracy will eventually be outed.
This is why Newco staff and players attending a party on Saturday night were exposed and why other partygoers from the same club were caught earlier in the season. It is also why Newco were caught in July, when they played a friendly against Dundee United despite their test results (all negative) not being available until after the game.
Football is afforded discretionary status to continue to operate without normal social distancing requirements on condition rigorous testing is maintained. This has had consequences for Celtic, who lost a significant portion of their squads in October and January when players had been in the vicinity of positive team-mates (international and domestic).
So if Newco have a lax attitude to testing, can we extrapolate that they would subvert competitions by pretending that in October a positive player who had contact with dozens of other Newco players did not happen? Throughout their 8 year history, they have always respected the rules and spirit of the game, so it is unlikely.
If they did, the facts will out when players move on. Several are already out on loan, more will leave soon.
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Never held to account
BGFC @ 11.19
Having had similar conversations locally — I think the only solution is to raise the voting age to 25 or 30.
I would have to ask — given your circumstances — where would they emigrate too?
If we were to seperate I fear that too many of the teenage Nat Warriors would move to England in later years to build their careers.
I have absolutely no hope for Scotland on its own given how the SPFL runs football on its own now — old pals act based on knuckle crunching / golf club membership / what school you went to / who would vouch for you.
You cannot complain about Bojo and his private school background when the St Als alumini have tentacles in too much of our public daily life — we are very little better as a society than south of the border.
Just a case they are more shameless about how they hide it.
Going back for more — recycling at noon is a CQN tradition.
The corruption within Scottish football is something you would think our board would want to tackle wouldn’t you? All very well Paul calling out Sevco in his leader when his pals who run Celtic continue to sit on their hands and do nothing.
Paul67
They fly tomorrow for the Europa League watch this space, and bear in mind only reserve players go to these
parties, even when the hosts are first team regulars.
We will not be treated differently CSC
Their own testing system.
No Covid scares.
Their own “investigations “.
No audited accounts.
Trading insolvent.
No apologies for historical abuse cases.
Survival myth.
Same club myth.
Relegated to four tier myth.
Going for 55 myth.
Most penalties for, no penalties against.
Most ordering offs for opponents, none for them.
And on and on.
Not a word said by SFA, SPFL, Scottish Government, Police Scotland , Celtic PLC board.
Good to see Stoke City publicly backing James McClean over social media threats against him and his family
Sevco Covid tests facilitated through a Belfast company, via the new Orange PR guy…….I smell shoite….
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Cha … @ 11.46
It might surprise you that a political party could involve a wide strand of outlooks and opinions — join together to move things forward regarding building the New Jerusalem of progressive / Democratic socialist politics.
Seems a bit old fashioned but it worked most of the time.
Compare and contrast with the division that the current Nat Crusade is bringing upon us.
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Ancient history — HW style / 1970’ish / building said New Jerusalem.
SCC Roads Committee — where to put the new road in Kiltoon?
Strangely enough it went straight over the local Orange Hall to give better access to the new CSC then in build and the award winning ecclesiastical aircraft hangar that is the local chapel.
However everything was done proper — Yorkshire style — they were given a warning / nobody was in the building when JB’s bulldozer turned up / compensation was paid to provide the funds to help them settle up and the No.14 bus allowed them to decant 5 miles west to save their OO neighbours on a hill who welcomed the new members.
I wonder how Twitter would have handled the situation today?
Bada
From the local paper
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/stoke-city-james-mcclean-abuse-5008583
You gotta know your angles..
euclidiancsc
One day ago our club, in its public statements, made great play of the negative impact COVID has had on our season. That is indeed a fact (though far from the only significant factor in our disastrous performance).
If we have evidence that our main rivals have played by different rules to sustain a crucial advantage in stopping the 10 we should be shouting that from the rooftops.
Otherwise let the Board quietly and submissively take its seat at the back of the bus, where it has so willingly on EBTs, the LNS Inquiry, 5WA and recent financial doping at Ibrox.
Thanks
Gene- thanks for the link
Mad Mitch
“I have absolutely no hope for Scotland on its own given how the SPFL runs football on its own now — old pals act based on knuckle crunching / golf club membership / what school you went to / who would vouch for you.”
I share much of the concern implied in this statement. Considering the behaviour of the banking establishment, football authorities, local government and other high profile sectors raises doubt as to whether civic Scotland is sufficiently mature to transition to independence.
Equally, it’s fair to observe that these shortcomings are enabled or encouraged or at the least permitted by the nature and purpose of the existing form of government.
I would be disinclined to attribute these behaviours to the nature of ‘Scottish people’, or by extension place it as a constraint on Scottish people when attempting to better order their affairs. Rather, the behaviours are the consequence of patronage by the UK civic system. Call it the Pygmalion defence.
We might expect them to continue in an independent Scotland only provided the nature and purpose of government remained unchanged – akin to Orwell’s pigs.
On balance, and being prepared to give it a go, I perhaps just have more faith in people than you. ANd perhaps in having a raised expectation, we might benefit from a Pygmalion effect.
WhoKnowsCSC
TBB
MADMITCH on 16TH FEBRUARY 2021 12:10 PM
BGFC @ 11.19
“…Having had similar conversations locally — I think the only solution is to raise the voting age to 25 or 30…”
Reason ? It is because they will be more sensible at that age (have more to lose?), or because cutting out the youth vote reduces the chances of a vote to split from the UK?
“…teenage Nat Warriors would move to England in later years to build their careers…” – I’m assuming you are not including my two in that – they do want independence from the Westminster governed UK (so a common goal there with the SNP), but they – and I – certainly wouldn’t consider themselves to be Nat warriors.
You are right to an extent that youngsters will have to go where the work is. My Bhoy is doing Chemical Engineering – has an eye on the beer industry at the minute :-) – so I expect will roam far and wide in that field.
“…I would have to ask — given your circumstances — where would they emigrate too?…”
Vote seems to be Munich or surrounding area – beautiful scenery, good beer, clean, good weather, magic – ahem – saunas :-))
HH
BGFC
HH
BGFC
Having appointed a DOF we’ve appointed a new manager within the week.
Are Rangers 2 about to suffer the Covid curse that devestated Celtic’s assault on 10 iar some months back? we await all the usual enquiries, investigations and non-adherence to protocals etc in the coming days but hey don’t they have an important visit to Antwerp on Thursday? let’s see what happens.
Billy Ocean had a hit with When The Going Gets Tough The Tough Get Going and probably sums up Celtic’s winning streak recently. Some very good resuilts on the road against form teams on plastic pitches and in
snow storms and let’s keep it going when Aberdeen check in on Wednesday night.
Hard earned three points against St Johnson who have quite a solid home record. Eddie twinkle toes back to his best nd he seems to have finaly shaken off that nasty covid bug. Thought the much criticised Shane Duffy had a soliid game with blocks and putting his head in places where others fear to tread.
Signing Don Diego would be a great move and i notice his appearances have been somewhat curtailed of late i wonder is this a cute lenny ploy to keep Milan’s asking price within Celtic’s range. Diego is a proven player and we need two for that left back position. Jonjoe is another is doing ok and should be kept on the Hoops radar.
Enjoyable enough piece of teasing and tantalising Pablo.
I’ll add one thing to the mix if I may.
Clubs across the UK (some with vast resources to implement robust Covid-19 infection and avoidance management strategies) have been SEVERELY impacted.
Yet, to date, not one reported instance of a Sevco player or employee testing positive?
Strange.
What are the odds?
Hail hail
Keep The Faith
Easy for Masons to keep a secret…They know we know and all that but thankfully a complicit media and governing bodies are fearful of another Armageddon (that they would have no doubt been informed of should Der Hun (version 2) go south again).They have no shame thanks to their overwhelming sense of superiority. There are cheats, damned cheats and then there is Sevco…
If Paul knows something, if Celtic knows something –
– they…will…say…nothing.
Usual ‘powder-dry’ rubbish.
Same as McConnell (Mitch not Jack) – “…He hasn’t gotten away with anything…yet…!”
Aye – but they will.
HH
BGFC
Paul67…. Totally agree.
Aribo’s ‘injury’ that was treated at his home instead of their treatment room will be exposed one day.
Cheat like fek and lose £100m to make sure the Catholics don’t win 10 in a row.
Aided and abetted by the referees and the media.
Players who may be able to spill the beans about transgressions will say nothing ( even if out on loan)
….especially if they are due a League Winners medal at the end of the season .
However if a player leaves bearing a grudge… it may come out ….. but we already know what happens to tainted titles…….. nothing.
The Onlooker
Reading on line its 5 Rangers players involved in this.
Does anyone have the inside scoop?
It is widely believed that the age of 25 is pivotal in regards voting with the head or the heart. MM may have a point.
Interesting reading about Jimmy Reid earlier on. I still have great admiration for the man.
He is by no means the only politician embracing communism in his earlier years. Jean Freeman the Scottish Health Secretary and our own former chairman to name but two.
When we look back, the laws of probability will state that the head was the logical option.
HH to all.
Notthebus- seems it was 5 players and their partners at Bassey’s house
The fat gardener demands to know the names 😠
TBB @ 12.41
We are currently in a bad place locally today.
The parliament is a laughing stock — inquiry ?!?
Our politics is not even up to the standards of a half decent students union.
Full of alphabet soup attention seekers / ego trippers.
Our legal system is a shambles working to order not provide justice.
Media — old pals act more interested in returning favours.
Industrial strategy — we don’t have one beyond a few hackneyed headlines.
Consequently you are right — we are in a bad place.
As things stand today we do not have the civic capital / societal depth to justify independence.
Where we differ is I think it will get worse.
I look to the lost 50 years of the 26 counties for guidance.
Similar in scale but with more focus and unity — to what end though?
Potato republic for decades until the EEC helped them out.
One power structure left but its replacement was probably worse.
Authoritarian / judgemental / inward looking — no wonder the boats to Holyhead were full.
Even the 50 years since have their issues — all that effort to become a tax haven / tax dodge for US companies in the EU — if that is Scotland’s future then I say no. The place is the land of the accountant turned horse racing magnate turned gamble — small town tribalism in full show.
And guess what — we would be worse.
Knuckle crunching / Auld Reekie private schools / legal gymnastics / uni pals — no room for outsiders or people who shop in Asda.
So no thanks.
NOTTHEBUS on 16TH FEBRUARY 2021 1:24 PM
Reading on line its 5 Rangers players involved in this.
Does anyone have the inside scoop?
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NOTTHEBUS – No but you can bet it will 5 under 18 players that you have never heard of.
D :)
Rangers to suspend 4 players till end of season?
What players is Murty going to miss?
BGFC @ the age of voting consent
Locally I see people who are allowed to vote but who know little about real life and who require support and guidance to make the most basic of adult decisions — bad parenting is one angle / immaturity is the other.
However they do have political opinions to offer which generated my original viewpoint that voting should be the reserve of 25 year olds or 30 year olds.
As for the future — if your children don’t have a future here then what future do we have?
Sometimes you have to move but I see no future being worked on at the moment.
Obviously I will blame Not-Jacinda but the supporting cast and their ideas is terrible.
Latest career Hail Mary pass has me involved in post grad circles with a wide range of characters.
To add to my over 25 voting rule — the youth of today grow up very quickly post 22.
Post grads have a varied level of maturity — MEng 5th years wear slip on shoes.
However our only export industry seems to be the education of outsiders.
There is no focus on how academics could help local industry.
Just a case of take the money and train others.
So things need to change — however seperation will just mean the same people in charge travelling further afield to soak up the atmosphere. There will be no change — the same snouts will be in the same troughs.
The Tartan Tories have had 14 years to show us what they could do.
There list of achievements would not fill the back of a stamp.
There failures are all around us.
Not a great advert for the 5.25mill people in Scotland.
MadMitch 2:04
Re: minimum voting age.
I’m a believer that if people are old enough to have the Government taxing their income, they are old enough to express a political opinion as to how the Government spends their tax dollars.
Holyrood and Westminster. Irrespective of whose in power at either or both.
No taxation without representation.
MADMITCH on 16TH FEBRUARY 2021 2:04 PM
BGFC @ the age of voting consent
Cheers for replying – appreciated.
One specific thing I agree with, but I think is changing at the edges – “…There is no focus on how academics could help local industry…”
One of the big problems is the visa system – I think (could be wrong) that that is in the domain of the Home Office (as happenstance would have it, I have a call with a Home Office chap later this afternoon).
My understanding is that this actually prevents us making use of the individuals that we educate from oversees. Indeed, my daughter’s pal just got booted back to her home in America having completed a Chemistry Degree in St Andrew’s – love’s Scotland, is desperate to stay here and try to work in industry but can’t – I don’t think it is within the purview of the Scottish Government to change that (not making any excuse for the SNP).
There are efforts – within health – to bring together academia, industry (and specifically Scottish SMEs), health to drive innovation, economic activity. But you are right – the situation we have re: educating people just to kick them out of the country is crazy.
Thanks again – must dash!
HH
BGFC
Oh – aye – on age. Loads of dafties over 25, loads of very sensible young people.
Don’t agree with your point, but thanks for taking the time to make it.
HH
BGFC
Right – ofski…
Paul67
Re: your piece today.
Could you please tell Mr Lawwell from me that, rather than him have sympathetic bloggers telling the world that the Big Bad Huns are getting away wi murder and the Big Bad Proddy SNP are in on it an aw, maybe HE and/or Mr Desmond could actually grow a pair and confront this?
Or are we happy keeping the Huns in the game no matter what it takes?
Back Up The Back of the Bus PLC.
I would just love to know everything about everything.
If you are going to raise the age of voting then in fairness the age of enrollment in the military should also be raised accordingly. Not fair to die for a government that you might have voted against.
Maybe even special tax allowances for all those under 25 who will have no input to where their taxes are spent.
How about expanding this to those over pension age because…..well just because.
If anything the voting age should be lowered. If you want a population to engage in how a country is governed then you need to harness the enthusiasm of youth. Your suggestion would result in political apathy come the age of 25
THE BATTERED BUNNET on 16TH FEBRUARY 2021 12:41 PM
You’re relying on the Pygmalion effect (which many dispute even exists) to do a lot of heavy lifting in any independent Scotland, particularly given the likelihood that if there ever is a yes vote it will be by the narrowest of margins.
And there’s nothing that’s happened at Holyrood since Devolution that suggests to me that the population of Scotland is ever likely to embrace or initiate any paradigm shift in the way politics or government are performed.
In short I think you’re straying into a world of Cockaigne fantasy.