Corporative governance, dubious integrity, who else could it be?


Charles Green’s media team did well a week ago today.  The Sun had an extremely damaging story on Green but demoted it to page six while dedicating its front page to the man himself, but the consequences of the story remain.

The Daily Record, who today confirms they are being fed stories by Ally McCoist, also reveal that The Rangers International board’s chairman, Malcolm Murray, is one vote short of being able to sack chief exec Green.  Adding, without a hint of irony, “once again, it falls on this newspaper to inform the fans of what is really going on”.

Sacking Green should be fairly straightforward but while this will remove one pantomime act from the stage, the corporate governance issues remain.  While he is in charge at least Green is available to assist the club prepare against charges by Craig Whyte that it inappropriately acquired* assets belonging to his company [“You are Sevco”: (Green)], Sevco 5088 Ltd.

If the chairman fails to sack the chief exec and fellow directors, Brian Stockbridge and Imran Ahmed, at next week’s board meeting, several non-executive directors might find it difficult to continue to pick up wages for providing oversight on behalf of stakeholders to ensure the club’s business was conducted appropriately.

Fortunately for Green he retains the support of his fellow collaborators, although his enablers in the media and support are diminishing by the day (bless all their sterling work).  Green will go when it suits Green to go, most probably when he has found a suitable proxy to ensure his interests on the board are protected (as Whyte believed he had a year ago).  This is likely to happen when he wants season ticket renewal money in.  He’ll drift away, “true Rangers men” will front things for a while, but pantomime isn’t over.  The serious corporate governance questions overhanging the club right now grow by the day.

I wonder if journo who moved to Ibrox as he couldn’t stomach the dubious integrity of the media industry (Green’s former chief-enabler) has the front to come out batting for Green. Or is he too scared?

Speaking about dubious integrity….. has anyone thought of the excuse the SFA will come up with to overlook the link between Whyte and Green on Newco’s associate membership application? I expect they will appoint Mr Bryson to head up an inquiry which will find, “There was a link but as we didn’t know about the link at the time we cannot take any action”.

* Tried really hard here to think of a less pejorative word or phrase than the one which initially sprung to mind.
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  1. ASonOfDan



    Here’s hoping it ringings out loud and clear at Hampden on Sunday.



    I was there when both sets of fans showed the witch the red card and sang ‘Maggie Maqgie GET TO F&^%’.

  2. Question


    @corsica1968 @Pmacgiollabhain Phil how do you spell Deja Vu !!!?





    ANSWER :))



    Can’t stop laughing



    @white_italy @pmacgiollabhain S E V C O

  3. What happened to the announcement about naming ibrokes?



    I suppose you cannot rename something you dont own…

  4. southside



    13:22 on 12 April, 2013


    I’m thethomthetim and my friends at the SFA have just granted me 1st. Roon ye’s. I’m pure minted by the way.






    Being 1st on the second page is like winning a lower league campaign.



    It’s no’ a Championship , but I’m willing to concede, so I’ll send on my newly received demand for the Local Property Tax that the Troika have decided we allmust pay.



    Plus the water charges when they come in!

  5. Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon



    I have gave my ticket for Sunday away, I cant face another Hampden semi-final.

  6. Snake Plissken on

    Strong words coming out now.



    When the MSM start to criticize something must be up.

  7. Popcorn and jelly and ice cream at the ready. Here we go again bhoys they cannot do anything with integrity and honesty over on the old Govan site.



    When this tribute act goes belly up the next one will appear and they will also go the same way for two reasons:



    1) They will never do what is necessary to progress and that is to downsize substantially in order to survive. They will always demand the best players and management available even when that means going into serious and ruinous debt to do so.




    2) Even by some miracle someone has the balls to cut their cloth accordingly the klan will not follow them and so begins another spiral of downward finances. The klan will never accept they are second best to the club that was founded in 1888 and has a genuine unbroken 125 year history and has all the most important one off british cups in its trophy cabinet not forgetting the one trophy that began the downward spiral of the once mighty Rangers, the big ears cup.

  8. Uefa who we know are corrupt need men of compliance to keep their corruption going,


    uefa stay out of ranger’s fiasco even though it conflict’s with their policy and sfa should be called out on this, uefa need compliant official’s to enforce their policy on big teams


    in final’s at all cost’s [financial] former sfa men now in positions at uefa, ranger’s very lenient punishment’s for disgraceful behavior and i as have said reluctance to get involved


    with sevco farce even when they went to court against sfa, join the dot’s, in my opinion its scratch my back and i will scratch your’s, former sfa official’s are part of uefa now and


    promote it’s corruption. ps forgot a head of sfa referee’s is now working for uefa even though he had to resign over a sectarian issue, very strange is it not?.

  9. Jimbo67



    loved 85 & 88 as well. Momentous days. Have a memory of getting soaked in the old Celtic end in 85 ans the sun came out just as Provan scored the equaliser.



    Rather poignant that we are playing Utd at Hampden 25 years after the red card display. I hope that Thatcher gets the send off she deserves on Sunday.

  10. This is what Green told the zombies at a fans forum last October at ibrokes.



    CHARLES Green, Brian Stockbridge and Imran Ahmad last night met several Scottish-based representatives from the Rangers community at Ibrox. The trio gave a presentation to the assembled delegates.



    GREEN discussed several issues, including how he came about being involved in the consortium.



    Ahmad approached Green in February as Zeus were thinking about putting a deal together. Initially Green said no, but then looked at it and between them and they started putting a team together to takeover Rangers. They asked some investors to put some money in with very little details, and they showed this money to Duff & Phelp who then started to take them seriously. Over the next few months and the consortium paid £250k deposit, a total of £5.5M for the club and gave D&P another £500k to help pay the wages for May.

  11. midfield maestro on

    Emotional night. Out for dinner in Perth, Oz, with my sons best mate from home. Are that zombie mob deid yet? Fly home Sunday.



    Tom Mclaughlin, huv a gid flight mateeee bhoy.

  12. He also told them this right enough…



    The club believes media rights are going to be huge over next decade, i.e TV migrating to web. Rangers are in talks with TV and tech companies. It is expected that media income alone will reach £100M within 10 years

  13. And this…



    Policy to bring in players on good wages (£20k pw) but not pay large fees we don’t get back. Looking to bring in 10 players like that between now and top league return, making max wage bill of £16M per annum. Ally McCoist believes title winning squad achievable under that budget.

  14. Paul67, surely Weefrathetim should be looking after your new farm as he has some experience in the field?



    Before I put my hat and coat on….



    ….if you require any help with remote management of the servers then I might be able to help.




  15. It must be the cricket season…



    Hailstorms and dark skies and thunder in Tooting…



    When will the winter of our discount tents end?

  16. Son of Dan



    How can the political editor (or crayon master) of the Sun say that Ding Dong the Witch is Dead is hugely offensive. It is only offensive in context to those who previously did not understand the word compassion and are now demanding that those who despised what this woman stood for show some compassion.



    I will not be a hypocrite….her beliefs were truely loathsome. I despised her when she was living…..nothing has changed.



    I hope Elton will play “Good Bye Yellow Brick Road” at the funeral (which Philvis is obviously helping to arrange, thumbs up!) because DING DONG!



    I’m sure Maggie would have been appaulled at State funding for her funeral…surely she would have wanted it broken up into its component parts and put out to competitive tender. Bring the efficiency of private enterprise to state funded funerals. No?

  17. My boss is Peter Principle on





    11:55 on 12 April, 2013



    Hope you don’t mind I tidied the this up. A very good read and well worth a re-post






    Heart of Midlothian Football Club today outlines in detail the new proposed


    league structure for the professional game in Scotland. The Board of the


    club will support the proposals for positive changes to the game in this country.



    Hearts believes, as one of the most established and largest clubs in Scottish


    football, that it has a responsibility to the game in this country and that the new


    proposed 12-12-18 structure, while by no means perfect, delivers a series of


    important improvements. These are improvements we, along with many other


    clubs and their supporters, have lobbied for in recent years. It is incumbent on us


    to deliver change for the game as a whole and in turn improve the longer term


    prospects of all clubs, at all levels, within the game.



    Most notably, the new structure will provide:



    – increased competition amongst the top 24 professional clubs in Scotland with


    almost every game at every stage in the season having value to spectators,


    broadcasters and sponsors.



    – fairer distribution of wealth across teams in all leagues. The top two


    positions alone in the current SPL will give up £1 million in prize money in order


    to facilitate a new 24 team professionalleague in Scotland.



    – increased financial protection for relegated clubs from the SPL.



    – one merged organisation superseding the SPL and SFL to run league football



    – the introduction of a true pyramid system



    – featuring promotion and relegation play offs at all levels



    – for Scottish football rewarding ambitious teams while protecting those


    that are more “community / regionally” focussed.



    The Q&A below explains more about why Hearts will vote in favour of change for


    Scottish football. Hearts wants you to have a clear picture of the importance of


    committing to these changes. We can now present the positive detail and we hope


    that supporters will see the opportunity in adopting a new approach to the game.


    As such, we are rejecting the status quo which is no longer adequate in meeting


    the needs of the nation’s game. There is only one possible opportunity for


    change in the game after years of deliberation, discussion and negotiation.






    League models based on 10, 14, 16, 18 and 20 teams have been examined, as


    well as the current 12-team model. What were found to be the drawbacks of each?



    Structures with a smaller number of clubs have proved to be undeliverable (i.e.


    the clubs will not vote in sufficient numbers to reduce their number).


    Additionally, this would not be of interest to supporters who would rather


    see more games against different clubs if possible.



    Structures with a larger number of clubs do not provide the required number of


    league matches (i.e. there are too few league matches), do not deliver improved


    commercial opportunities, can lead to more meaningless (and therefore less


    attractive to fans) matches and would have a negative impact on the revenues of


    clubs from both match day and central sources.



    On average it would costs Hearts £250,000 minimum lost revenue per home game.


    So, for example,the 16-team league would result in a loss of more than


    £1 million to Hearts in ticket revenue alone based on a 30-game season


    with teams playing each other home and away once.



    Why not keep it the same then? Why change?



    Change is constant. Over the last eight seasons, more than half of the European


    leagues have changed their league format. It doesn’t mean it is always right


    but we do believe that there are some very compelling reasons to change as we


    outlined above.



    But we should also ask – ‘What happens if we don’t change’? Crowds are dropping


    at games, audience figures are dropping with broadcasters and commercial


    income is dropping as a result of both these factors. Quality on the pitch is


    being affected by the pressure on clubs’ revenues and we are in real danger of


    speeding up the demise of the game if we don’t change to the new model.



    In the proposed 12/12 model, how would the league structure for the top 24 teams





    12 Team ‘Premiership’



    – The 12 Premiership clubs each play 22 games in the first half of the season.



    – These first 22 games determine which 8 clubs go forward to the ‘Premiership 8′


    competition; and which 4 clubs go forward to the ‘Play-off 8′ competition.



    12 Team ‘Championship’



    – The 12 Championship clubs each play 22 games in the first half of the season.


    The winner is awarded the Championship trophy.



    – These first 22 games determine which 4 clubs go forward to the ‘Play-off 8′


    competition; and which 8 clubs go forward to the ‘Championship 8′





    8-8-8 split



    – The ‘Premiership 8′ clubs play off home and away over the remaining 14 fixture


    rounds for the Premiership trophy and European places.



    – The ‘Play-off 8′ clubs play off home and away over the remaining 14 fixture


    rounds for promotion / relegation. Top four play in the Premiership next season,


    bottom four in the Championship.



    – The ‘Championship 8′ clubs play off home and away over the remaining 14


    fixture rounds to battle against relegation, with two automatic relegation


    places (7th and 8th place) and a further two play-off places


    (5th and 6th place) Sounds like we need a degree in Maths to


    understand that! And in English please…



    OK. Let’s say it was this season. Hearts would now be playing in the Play-Off 8


    having finished ninth after 22 games this season. We’d currently be playing Morton,


    Dunfermline, Partick, Livingston, St Mirren, Ross County and Dundee to retain


    our Premiership status. Effectively it’s a Play-Off League guaranteeing 14


    meaningful games, large match day crowds, extra TV income and more associated


    commercial backing. It also satisfies those fans who want to see us play


    more new teams. And, if as we hope, we achieve Top 8 status when the


    new system is introduced, yes we’ll be playing the same seven teams home and


    away again but we’ll be in the mix for a European place so again there will be


    meaningful games right through until the end of the season. But it seems


    there is an increased risk of relegation to all but one club in the current SPL?



    That’s one way of looking at it. It is also true that there is an increased


    chance of survival for the team that finishes in 12th place as they are no


    longer certain to be relegated given that the Play-Off 8 provides them


    with a survival chance. It’s true, though, there is a greater risk of


    relegation for every club in the current SPL with, being realistic, the


    exception of Celtic. This, together with the acceptance to redistribute


    base income across 24 clubs as opposed to 12, shows just how seriously SPL


    clubs view the need to change the game as a whole for the betterment


    Scottish football.



    Every game in the SPL will matter with teams 1 to 12, right from the start


    of the season, all going for a Top 8 place and trying to avoid the drop


    into the Play-Off 8. The Championship will also have almost every game


    meaningful with clubs vying for a top four finish in order to be promoted


    into the Play-Off 8. In any one season up to 4 new teams could enter


    the Premiership. Alternatively, all four Premiership bottom 4 teams have


    a chance of surviving. Will there not be difficulties in playing 22


    rounds of fixtures before the New Year split? What if games are postponed?


    Consideration can be given to adjusting the start date of the season


    to ensure that the required number of games have been played when the split





    It is also possible that additional midweek fixtures may be scheduled


    in the summer and early autumn months to capitalise on better weather.


    In an extreme situation it would be possible to use the period of the


    winter break to complete phase one fixtures.



    Better weather! Now there’s a thing, and what about the chances of summer


    football? This is something that we as a club are very keen to explore.


    However, this is a more general topic and will be dealt with separately


    from league reconstruction. It is Hearts’ view that there is a very


    strong case for summer football although, in reality,it is essentially


    “four seasons” football with the season starting in February or March


    and ending in November. It seems only natural that we should be


    playing the majority of our season in the better weather with lighter


    evenings and increase the appeal of live Scottish football amongst


    the supporters. The advantages from an attendance point of view are


    one aspect but the footballing arguments are also paramount and for


    those teams competing in the early rounds of Europe it will be advantageous.


    Also the costs of staging a match at Tynecastle can in theory be reduced due


    to less use of under soil heating and floodlights as well as better


    ground care options.



    While we’re on the subject, any chance of more sensible fixture scheduling?


    Yes, one of the benefits of the new proposal is that it allows for regular


    fixture scheduling with ideally sequential home and away matches for the


    first 22 games and then again for the next 14 games. The new proposal


    also allows better planning of fixtures at the conclusion of the


    Premiership and Championship in the first week in January. This gives


    supporters more time to plan their attendance and related travel and


    financial plans for games in the Premiership 8 or the Play-Off 8.



    We’ll also be lobbying for early announcement on games that are scheduled


    for television to allow supporters more advance notice. Sounds to me like


    TV could be calling the shots again and we’ll be having seven- night-a-week


    football. There has to be a balance struck with the TV companies and this


    is an ongoing discussion with the broadcasters. It will also be of


    importance should any other entrants come in to the Scottish football


    broadcast marketplace in the seasons ahead.



    The new proposed league will allow the game to benefit from potential new


    revenues that do not currently exist. This in turn provides valuable


    additional income that is distributed amongst the clubs. This is guaranteed


    income which is crucial for clubs when predicting cash flow projections


    for the new season. There should be no reason, however, why suitable


    agreement can’t be reached on establishing a much better template for


    kick-off times that also suits the majority of supporters and this


    is something that Hearts and many other clubs are keen to secure.



    Even so, the footy’s a bit expensive so surely you’ll need to do something


    with the pricing to attract crowds? It is important to recognise that because


    of TV revenues in the game, clubs can resist increasing season ticket or match


    day ticket prices as much as they might need to in order to maintain a self-


    sustainable football club. Without TV income, Scottish football clubs


    and the game in general would be in a much worse condition. A better product


    on the park – which is something we all want to see – requires funding and


    this is why a balance must be struck in order that supporters can benefit from


    football at times and locations that suit them while also allowing for the


    requirements of TV companies scheduling. We must establish a harmony


    between both as both are integral to the game in this country.



    Hearts is highly active in incentivising season ticket sales and match day


    ticket sales and we would plan to continue this. But no club can balance


    the books based on ticketing revenue alone and we do have to work with


    many stakeholders to keep the club competitive in the professional game in


    this country.



    What about the next 18 clubs below the top 24? What will the league structure


    look like?



    The Scottish Football League has proposed that the remaining 18 senior


    clubs should compete in a single division.



    18 team ‘First Division’



    – The remaining 18 clubs each play 34 games per season. The winner is


    awarded the First Division trophy.



    – The top two clubs at the end of the season would be promoted automatically


    to the Championship, replacing the two clubs relegated from the bottom of the


    Championship 8.



    – Clubs in positions 3 to 6 of the First Division would play-off against each


    other and then against the clubs fifth and sixth in the Championship 8 for a


    possible two additional promotion places.



    – The clubs finishing in 17th and 18th places in the First Division would play-off


    against two teams from the leagues below (from season 2014/2015 onwards)


    for possible relegation out of the First Division.



    – The Scottish FA should work with the East of Scotland League, the South of


    Scotland League, the Highland League and the Juniors to ensure the existence of


    a league structure appropriate to the smooth operation of such play-offs.



    One of the key issues with the current system is that the lion’s share of revenue


    generated in Scottish football is distributed among the top 12 clubs only.


    What would financial distributions be under the 24/18 model?



    Key aspects of the new fairer, revised distribution model include:



    – the top two positions in the SPL will reduce their share of base revenues from


    a total 32% to a total 23% equating to approximately £1m based on historic and


    projected figures.



    – teams 3 to 8 in the SPL will reduce their share of base revenues by


    approximately 7%.



    – the team that finishes top of the Championship (after 22 games) is projected


    to earn £387k as opposed to the £68k it would gain for winning the current SFL1.



    – every team in the Championship will earn more revenue when compared to the


    equivalent position in the current SFL1.



    From a competitive point of view, would clubs who believe they will finish in the


    bottom four of the Premiership not just rest their best players and wait until the


    Play-Off 8 to spend money on new players and make a push for promotion then?



    You can never judge how individual managers may choose to play. However, after


    22 games this season only five points separated 5th and 11th place in the


    Clydesdale Bank Premier League. Further, eight teams were within four points


    of what would have been the Premiership 8 points threshold. This suggests


    that even in the latter stages before the split there will be plenty to play





    Austria and Switzerland tried similar systems and both were deemed to be


    unsuccessful. Why will it work in Scotland? Both countries ran with similar


    league systems for a number of years and, whilst the format proved to be very


    exciting and competitive, they have now changed to smaller ten-team top


    divisions for other reasons. Different leagues face different challenges,


    and the 12/12 structure has been designed to address the specific challenges


    faced currently by Scottish football.



    What progress has been made to date and what are the next steps to be taken


    to approve league reconstruction?



    For the past three years work has been carried out to examine the issues and


    challenges faced by the current set-up, and the possible operation and


    benefits of different structures. This season the key dates of progress


    have been:



    – 3rd December: an all-club SPL meeting agreed ‘unanimous in principle’ support


    for the 12/12 model, to be discussed with the SFL and Professional Game Board


    (PGB) through the SPL’s Restructuring Group



    – 27th December: a meeting of the PGB agreed in principle that a 12/12 model


    should be examined, including a single merged league and an all-through


    distribution model



    – 8th January: a meeting of the PGB (including the entire SFL Board and six


    members of the SPL’s Restructuring Group) agreed in principle further


    refinements, including a revised governance model and a new all-through


    distribution formula, to be taken to clubs



    – 28th January: further detail on the operation of the 12/12 model was


    received by an all-club SPL meeting and again given ‘unanimous in principle’





    – 31st January: an all-club SFL meeting overwhelmingly supported the model


    being taken forward. The SPL confirmed that it was entirely comfortable whether


    the SFL preferred a 12/12/18 model, or 12/12/10/10.



    In order to formally approve any change to league structure, a new and complete


    rule book



    (see current)



    SPL http:// http://www.scotprem.com/content/ default.asp?page=s43




    SFL http:// http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/thesfl/ constitution/ rule books)



    has to be written up for all clubs to formally vote on. In order to introduce


    the new structure at least 11 SPL clubs and 75% of SFL clubs would be


    required to vote in favour.



    The status quo will remain if this is not achieved.



    Could the 12/12 model be introduced for next season?



    If the SPL and SFL clubs vote in favour, the 12/12 model will be introduced for the


    beginning of season 2013/14.



    If the go ahead is given for season 2013/14, what would happen at the end


    of this current season?



    At end of season 2012/2013:



    – The bottom club in the SPL would be relegated;



    – The top club in SFL1 would be promoted;



    – The top club in SFL2 would be promoted; positions 2, 3, 4 and 5 in SFL2


    would play-off for a second promotion place;



    – No relegation from SFL1.



    In summary, what would the 12/12 proposals deliver?



    The proposals deliver:



    – A single merged league



    – An all-through distribution model



    – Extensive play-offs



    – Pyramid



    – A new league structure



    – Substantial re-distribution of central revenues



    – A fairer governance model



    The 12/12 model addresses the key weaknesses in the current model (i.e. lack


    of refreshment in the top tier, lack of financial support and re-promotion


    opportunities for relegated clubs, and absence of a pyramid structure).



    These proposals, if adopted, will ensure a dramatic, exciting league, with


    meaningful matches at all levels and at all points in the season.



    OK. One last thing though, why has it taken so long for us to hear the whole


    story? Fair point. The lack of definitive information has led to much ill-judged


    and ill-informed comment, with too much of the debate centred on the number of


    teams in the league rather than the benefits of the entire new league proposal.


    However, it was important that the 12 SPL clubs established which models would


    and wouldn’t be viable in financial terms for our businesses before presenting the


    viable option to supporters. It was also important to understand which


    one could achieve consensus. Consensus requires an 11-1 vote in favour by SPL


    clubs in order for change to be achieved. Additionally it has been necessary to


    discuss viable options with the SFL as we want to create an “all through” model


    which benefits the game as a whole and creates real value and real competition.



    The SFL require to agree by a vote of 22-7 (Rangers can’t vote).



    Until there was a realistic chance of this being achieved there was little point in


    presenting any model. There is now broad consensus after months of discussions


    and negotiations although it has to be stressed no vote has been taken at SPL or


    SFL level on the final proposal.



    What now?



    We hope you will back the right move for Heart of Midlothian Football Club and


    scottish Football. As stated at the start of this feature, Hearts accepts


    its challenge in turning Scottish football round and we as a clubare prepared


    to take a step forward – as we have done on many previous occasions when


    big decisions were required and leadership needed to be shown.



    We want you to support us on this challenge and this is why we’d ask you to


    support the club as it votes ‘YES’ to change on 15th April.



    Remember the only other option is the status quo – our 12-team SPL as it


    currently stands.

  18. Kilbowie Kelt on




    13:10 on 12 April, 2013



    The Sun’s political editor, Tom Newton Dunn has stated Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead is a “hugely offensive song and it’s offensive that people are buying it.”





    A song from a movie released SEVENTY FOUR years ago & loved by adults & children alike in every corner of the Earth, is now described as ‘offensive’ because it is deemed to be insulting to the REAL Wicked Witch of the West.


    You could not make it up.

  19. Dontbrattbakkinanger on

    This Saturday for Sevco v Clyde game there is a special ‘Easter themed’ event in the ‘family section’.



    Making the bold assumption that this won’t be Easter Rising themed, is this just a way to get rid of a lot of cheap Easter eggs?

  20. Dontbrattbakkinanger



    You can add the Easter Bunny to the list of Sevco Creditors. lol

  21. Witches have feelings too! And witchcraft is a more ancient belief than any of the big religions.



    In fact I’m surprised that the British Association of Wicca (or whatever their body is called) hasn’t complained about the negative image of comparing MT to any of their members.

  22. Winningemmell, lot of memories there… John Doyle coming off the bench in 1981 and terrorising United. Billy still benched him for the replay.



    Art of War, what an excellent idea! All help welcome.

  23. Isn’t the ding dong song deeply offensive to followers of Wicca? Apparently WItches are outraged that they are being victimised because of Maggie.

  24. Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon


    13:54 on


    12 April, 2013


    Witches have feelings too! And witchcraft is a more ancient belief than any of the big religions.






    Beat me to it :-)

  25. Tooheysnew



    The 85 final was the one where I thought we were dead and buried before Provan scored and I remember it was so busy that I watched from a passageway though the crowd was only given as 60000 or so.



    Was at the 88 final with my uncle – his specs got broken when Macca equalised and he got sunburn on his bald patch. He wasnt bothered because he got to boo Thatch. Celtic winnning helped as well.May have been some liquor consumed later that day!




  26. South Of Tunis on

    jimbo 67 @ 13 29 .



    The 1999 semi final —-a wee anecdote..



    I’m going to the game . I’m outside Hillhead underground station waiting for my pal. To my horror I meet a guy I grew up with . A real thing gangster . A dangerous , violent man . We speak .



    Cue the arrival of a group of United casuals . One of said casuals is waving a flounder [ yes —a flounder ]



    Cue the real thing gangster growling —–” You ya ****—– do ya take yer bird with you every where ya go ? ”



    Flounder waving the casual took offense and stupidly reacted . Cue real thing gangster being seriously violent . Cue me being sick. .

  27. The Spirit of Arthur Lee on

    Richard Wilson‏@timomouse5m


    5% drop in Rangers share price so far today. Now 66.5p, well under the IPO offering price. Financial disaster is coming at ibrox

  28. South of Tunis



    And what happened to the flounder?



    People on here keep starting stories and not finishing them.

  29. I agree with most of the above, but I don’t quite get the “pejorative” thing; the fact is, to my mind, that the word “hun” is approppriate. I don’t single out individual huns as I go by, that would be fascism. But, a hun is a hun, and it’s a question of philosophy. The sight of the huns making love to the “Tarmies” sickened me at some match or other. It was supposed to be remembrance day, but the hun turned it into the usual vainglorious sash-fest. No doubt, 3 Para would be their favourite murderers or torturers of choice. Some of us have long memories.


    So, I don’t see the word “hun” as pejorative. It describes a mentality, succinctly and rings with truth. The hun hates me for my religion. In return, I refuse to hate the hun, because that would be hunnery on my part.


    I have thought about all this, and the implications and have decided that the correct course is to stand tall as the huns disintegrate. I don’t give a rat’s bottom about their football team, I care about the culture. They will never move on, their bile and poison will never be drawn as long as they exist. Soon, it will be the marching season and I will have to withstand the huns walking past my door, using their bass-drums outside Catholic churches with malice aforethought and a threat all too obviously implicit.. These people deal in hate and it makes me smile as they get buried in a cess-pool of their own corruption. They cling to father-figures like Murray, Whyte and Green, And why? Let’s call it juvenelia, let’s say that they can’t quite grow up – that suggests to me fear, and fear only.


    Just as Chucky calls a spade a spade, or a Paki a Paki, or a darkie a darkie, I call out the hun for what he is, a hun.


    Davie Cooper was not a hun. Laudrup was not a hun. Many more were not huns. A hun is a hun though. Alex Macdonald was a hun. Sally is a hun. Hately is a hun. The cardigan is a hun. I use these examples to illustrate the point that being a hun is a question of your own psyche. The real joy is that they have never enjoyed winning titles or cups, vis a vis Barcelona in 72 or Manchester of late.


    I don’t mind if somebody is born into hunnery, that’s just an accident of birth. The question is, are you going to be an advocate of some misguided ideal of innate supremacy, a racist, an English Empire lackey? They all have that choice to make, but I find it unspeakable that you would adhere yourself to that mind-set. Me, I would walk away. Now, they are surprised to garner the hatred that they evoke. It’s a laugh, because they just don’t get it. They are bemused by all the “rangers-haters”. The one thing that the hun never does, is ask himself why.


    But, the penny is dropping, slowly.


    I will be frank here, I want them to be abolished, kaput, done and dusted. I want all the RSB gash deal out in the open, because that stuff will do for them for good. I have no truck with the hun.


    …regards to the esteemed Starry Plough and Blantyre Tim (I am on it but I am very slow)

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    A flounder? As in The Fish. I could bring in a reference to Luca Brazzi but I’ll refrain. Real violence witnessed close up is revolting though. In the late 90s Glaswegians were dismissed as being ‘scarfers’ ‘weegies’ and ‘Soap Dodgers’ by many from the east. Fools





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